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From FCC Head Wheeler, a Yellow Light For Internet Fast Lanes

An anonymous reader writes "FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler has decided to back-pedal just a bit on his recent proposal to end the "Open Internet" regulation regime in favor of a system with more liberal rules that could include so-called internet fast lanes, by means of which major ISPs could favor or disfavor different kinds or providers of internet traffic. Says an article at USA Today, 'Wheeler's latest revision doesn't entirely ban Internet fast lanes, leaving room for some public-interest cases like a healthcare company sending electrocardiography results. But unlike his initial proposal last month, Wheeler is proposing to specifically ban certain types of fast-lanes, including prioritization given by ISPs to their subsidiaries that make and stream content, according to an FCC official who wasn't authorized talk about the revisions publicly before the vote. Wheeler is also open to applying some "common carrier" rules that regulate telephone companies, which would result in more stringent oversight of the ISPs in commercial transactions.'" Update: 05/13 16:37 GMT by T : Oops -- I missed this earlier, substantially similar story.

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  1. From Wikipedia: by recoiledsnake · · Score: 5, Informative

    From Wiki:

    Thomas E. Wheeler is the current Chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, appointed by President Obama and confirmed by the U.S. Senate in November, 2013. Prior to working at the FCC, Wheeler worked as a venture capitalist and lobbyist for the cable and wireless industry, with positions including President of the National Cable Television Association (NCTA) and CEO of the Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Association (CTIA).

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    1. Re:From Wikipedia: by CheshireDragon · · Score: 2

      A conflict of interest if I ever saw one.

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    2. Re:From Wikipedia: by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

      A conflict of interest if I ever saw one.

      That's a suspected conflict of interest, not an outright one. He may still have a financial interest in a company or have a secret deal. If working in the industry meant you couldn't ever move into government to regulate the industry you'd never get anyone competent to work for the feds. Would you want the FDA to never hire anyone with a medical degree?

    3. Re:From Wikipedia: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      A conflict of interest is "I used to work for a telephone company, now I head for the FCC, and will work for the industry AGAIN when I no longer run the FCC"

    4. Re:From Wikipedia: by whistlingtony · · Score: 2

      We're far more pissed about Obama than you are. Take your little reality distortion field back to FOX News.

      Why are liberals pissed? Drone strikes on innocents. Drone strikes on Americans without trials. Didn't close Gitmo. Didn't push for universal healthcare. Didn't push for marriage equality. Keeps nominating conservatives to important posts. Defends warrantless wiretapping. Defends secret courts. Doesn't kick congresses ass. "enhanced interogation". Keeps trying to make deals with Republcans who so obviously are sabatoging everything they can get their hands on to make him look bad. I could go on. Generally, he lied his ass off to us.

      If conservatives would look up from their hate, they'd see that Liberals hate Obama almost as much as they do. But, you know, for REAL reasons. :D He's done more to move the country right, just be being a centrist and being LABELED a lefty (which he's not). Now any actual Lefty can be pointed at and "OMG, she's to the LEFT of OBAMA!"

      He's another corporatist shill. Bought and Paid for. We know it. If only y'all hadn't tried Palin... god.... McCain really wasn't THAT bad, and he actually opposed torture outright.

  2. Victory..? by barlevg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We're getting some common carrier stuff, ISPs can't prioritize the traffic from their parent/subsidiary companies... and it sounds like high priority non-controversial "fast lanes" (I don't mind my internet running a little slower so someone can get their MRI transmitted faster) are the only ones getting the green light. So did we win? Or am I missing something?

    1. Re:Victory..? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Its a slippery step in the right direction, but not enough for me. The devil is always in the details.

    2. Re:Victory..? by DeadDecoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have mixed feelings about that. While I do feel that having 'fast lanes' would be appropriate for certain civil services, those considerations would be used as a trojan horse for corporations to shove legal policy through the system. The need for sufficiently fast internet should actually strengthen the argument for net neutrality. The internet has become such a critical part of the societal infrastructure, that it should be maintained like one. If all traffic is equal, and we're worried about some critical health service needing bandwidth, then we should upgrade the hardware instead of creating an artificially scarce resource.

    3. Re:Victory..? by Presto+Vivace · · Score: 2

      we have not won, but we can if we keep up the pressure on the FCC.

    4. Re:Victory..? by ewieling · · Score: 2

      "SENDER of the content has had to always be the one to pay for their delivery costs to deliver data to the user. that's the way its' been for the last 20 some years."

      This is blatantly untrue. For the past 20 years ISPs have used the "Bill and Keep" model. The ISP or provider on each end bills their own customers and keep the money. Netflix pays their ISP, the end user pays their ISP, everyone is happy. That is until the end user's ISP decides they want to hide the cost of updating their infrastructure to meet changing customer usage patterns and tries to extort money from other providers instead of raising their prices like every other company does when their costs change..

      I don't recall ISPs trying to charge web sites extra money to deliver images when customer usage patterns changed from textual "browsing" to "graphic intensive browsing". ISPs simply upgraded their infrastructure.

      They can either raise prices to cover the needed infrastructure or block Netflix with a message telling users they must upgrade to a higher tier in to be able to watch streaming video.

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    5. Re:Victory..? by Bob9113 · · Score: 2

      So did we win? Or am I missing something?

      You're missing something. He didn't say anything about limiting fast lane sales to Apple, Netflix, &c, and the line about cardio results is hogwash -- cardio results are a few bytes per second, they don't need a fast lane, they need high availability, which fast lanes do not provide (see HA versus HP clusters, for a similar case). He's trying to manipulate you.

    6. Re:Victory..? by LiquidAvatar · · Score: 2

      To play devil's advocate, when we find that our city streets are congested and fire trucks and ambulances are having trouble getting to their destinations, do we increase the width of the streets or do we implement a policy stating that normal traffic must give way to the emergency services? Admittedly, it's much harder to increase bandwidth in a city street scenario than in a network scenario, but our society has already established that traffic shaping is a good idea in at least one situation.

      Running with that comparison, we don't allow Pizza Hut to pay a premium so that they can get red and blue spinners for their delivery fleet though.

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    7. Re:Victory..? by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 2

      The comparison doesn't work if the majority of the "roads" are unpaved and single-lane to begin with. Yes, you could argue that certain services should get priority, but the better solution in this case is just to improve the infrastructure. This is difficult to do with real roads, because so much of the surrounding land is already owned, but this sort of restriction does not hold true for the Internet; there is room to expand but no motivation to do so because it might cut into profits.

      Once everybody has gigabit to the home, then maybe they can start to discuss prioritization. Until then, it is just a way for the telecoms to duck out of their responsibilities.

  3. Enlightened self-interest by kheldan · · Score: 2

    Sounds to me like someone is interested in preserving their job at the FCC rather than anything as altruistic or abstract as 'protecting the public's interests'.

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  4. Re:Tears of a clown by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

    No problem. Their ads will declare (small print)up to(/small print) (large print) OUTRAGEOUS 1000MBPS SPEEDS (/large print). Then, the contract will contain - on page 48 of the fine print that nobody reads - that the ISP can't be held liable for slow downs for any reason even if they purposefully slow down some sites in an effort to get money from those sites.

    Would that be fine?

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  5. yeah, he dont want to look too fascist by FudRucker · · Score: 2

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... Big Cable Executives now work for the FCC (sounds fascist to me)

    just like ex Monsanto exec works for the FDA (sounds fascist to me)

    it happens with big defense contractors that have a revolving door with the government (the US Govt would make Mussolini proud)

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  6. NOT. GOOD. ENOUGH. by fightinfilipino · · Score: 5, Informative

    Tom Wheeler needs to STEP DOWN.

    the Obama Administration needs to be held to its promise of ACTUAL Net Neutrality.

    this is not over yet, not by a long shot.

    1. Re:NOT. GOOD. ENOUGH. by geekoid · · Score: 2

      First off, that petition is stupid. you don't put 3 things in one petition. No one will pay attention

      Secondly, Tom WHeeler is the best person to get to those goals.

      " headed by Chairman and former cable lobbyist Tom Wheeler"
      logical fallacy.

      "announced rules that will completely destroy Net Neutrality"
      speculation

      "Mr. Wheeler's proposed rules "
      ask your self, who they are proposed to. Those are the people you need to contact. Wheeler can not to more or less then congress wants. Going after him just makes it easier for the people actually at the heart of this decision to deflect blame. You are creating a scape goat for the very people who make this decision.

      "The Obama Administration promised a free and open Internet. "
      You should read this:
      http://www.politifact.com/trut...

      stop blaming a president for what congress does.

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    2. Re:NOT. GOOD. ENOUGH. by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 2

      stop blaming a president for what congress does.

      Congress did nothing but authorize the FCC, and delegate authority for regulating interstate communications to the executive.

      That would be Obama. He can have the FCC re-classify broadband as a common carrier at any time, but won't do it. He's doing what he's told, and pretending that it's somebody else's fault. It's a classic trait of everyone that suffers from NP disorder.

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  7. Watch your language by n0ano · · Score: 4, Insightful

    including prioritization given by ISPs to their subsidiaries that make and stream content

    Sigh. Comcast won't prioritize its subsidiary's traffic, it will de-prioritize its competitors traffic.

    Please, just classify ISPs as a common carrier (like you should have done years ago) and be done with it.

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  8. Re:Tears of a clown by alen · · Score: 2

    being that the internet is dozens if not hundreds of companies,
    how do you guarantee the same speed when the packets might have to pass through multiple backbone providers and the server hosting the content might not actually be able to serve everyone at those speeds
    or the content owners may not have brought enough bandwidth to serve everyone at their top internet speed

  9. Re:his proposed rules mean shit all by geekoid · · Score: 2

    "They FCC used to classify the internet as a common carrier. "
    No they didn't.

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  10. Stop Parroting Cardiography by Bob9113 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    some public-interest cases like a healthcare company sending electrocardiography results

    This is a patently deceptive meme. It is intended to tug at your heart strings to sell the case, but it is not a good application of a fast lane. Cardio results do not need high performance lines, because they produce a tiny trickle of data. They need high availability, which a fast lane does not help. If Mr. Wheeler is really suggesting that paid prioiritization will render the standard lane so unusably clogged that a few bytes of cardio data won't fit over the pipe in a split second, then he is hoisting himself by his own petard.

  11. Just a foot in the door by jcopper · · Score: 2

    To me this seems like the "foot in the door" technique leading to things that are far worse. I think we can all agree that an MRI is a good thing to be sent and received expeditiously. How do we make sure that only an MRI is getting this treatment or do we just say, anything at a hospital gets priority? I seriously doubt any hospital is going to spend money implementing a fast lane for just a few things. They will just dump it all in the fast lane. Then the finance industry sees this and will demand that their transactions deserve priority as well. (and they will be get it because they are the most powerful lobby in the US) Then any other entity that has money to lobby for fast lane priority will get it as well. Then this will lead us right back to the original issue. Notice how every single comment on here is okay with giving a fast lane to MRIs, that is the "foot in door". You cannot budge on this, you let one through, you're going to let all them through. The politicians are far to manipulative, the very fact that everyone thinks this issue is about creating a "fast lane" shows that this is a losing battle. They are not creating a fast lane, they are creating a slow lane.

  12. Re:Tears of a clown by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 2

    Yes he has it backwards. He's claiming that different service tiers are akin to 'fast lanes'. They aren't. They are just how fast he's allowed to 'consume' any content he requests. Netflix's connection speed is irrelevant to his connection tier.

    If I'm getting data significantly faster from my ISP's streaming service than from Netflix or Youtube, then something is configured to provide different service levels...and that's the problem.

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  13. A Neglected Side To This Issue by NotSanguine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems to me that one of the biggest problems with the consolidation of ISPs with content providers is that they have a vested interest in keeping upload speeds low, so that their customers can't compete with them. I would go farther than some of those commenting on this and suggest that content providers should not be allowed to own/operate ISPs or own the "last mile."

    Those who own "the last mile," as well as ISPs (they should be different entities as well) should all be classified as "common carriers." Further, "last mile" owners should be required to provide (at reasonable cost) access to any/all ISPs that want to provide service to end-users.

    Again, upload speeds should not be throttled. Obviously, those who want higher upload (or download) speeds can certainly pay for that service. Service bundles (TV/Phone/Internet) provide little benefit to end-users and often give incumbent monopolies customer lock-in. Give us Glass-Steagall for the Internet (I'd like it back in the financial industry too, but that's a whole other level of rip-off).

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  14. Re:Tears of a clown by whistlingtony · · Score: 2

    No. He doesn't know what he's talking about. :D He's parroting "government bad" and saying that the government is strangling the last mile. in SOME instances he's right. But his view is not balanced, nor is it nuanced enough to accurately reflect what people are saying about net neutrality and what should be done.

    The FCC reclassifying the internet as title 2, putting common carrier rules back in place, would fix this issue. Everyone who knows what the !@#$ they're talking about agrees. Then there's you people....

    The invisible hand of the free market is invisible for a reason. It doesn't exist. It's a myth. A simplistic model to explain armchair economics. Look to first world countries that HAVE competition in broadband. Basically, everyone but the U.S. Know what they all have in common beyond kick ass speeds at low prices? Regulation that forces the big companies to play nice with the little companies. They have government that isn't completely bought.