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Autodesk Unveils 3d Printer As It Aims To Become Industry's Android

Hugh Pickens DOT Com (2995471) writes "BBC reports that Autodesk — the leading 3D modelling software-maker — is going into hardware with its own 3D printer and in addition to selling the machine, Autodesk will also allow other manufacturers to make their own versions of the printer or power their own models off its software at no cost. 'The printer is a bona fide attempt to prove the interoperability and open source nature of Autodesk's platform,' says Pete Basiliere. 'And by sharing its design we could see a second wave of small start-ups creating stereolithography machines just as the makers did when the early material extrusion patents expired.' Chief executive Carl Bass likened the new printer to Google's first Nexus smartphone, a product meant to inspire other manufacturers to install Android on their handsets rather than become a bestseller itself. In Autodesk's case the idea is to drive the adoption of its new Spark software, a product it likens to being an 'operating system for 3D-printing'. Although Autodesk is giving away both Spark and the printer's design, the company should still profit because the move would drive demand for the firm's other products. 'If 3D printing succeeds we succeed, because the only way you can print is if you have a 3D model, and our customers are the largest makers of 3D models in the world.'

Instead of the extrusion technique most commonly used by existing budget printers, Autodesk's printer uses a laser to harden liquid plastic to create the objects delivering smoother, more complex and more detailed objects. 'We're making a printer that, rather than just being able to load in proprietary materials, you can load in any material you want. You can formulate your own polymers and experiment with those. That's an important next step because we think material science is a breakthrough that has to happen to make [the industry] go from low-volume 3D-printed stuff to where it really starts changing manufacturing.' Bass said, its printer is targeted at more professional users–for creating small objects like medical devices or jewelry–and will likely end up closer to the $5,000 range, though exact pricing has not been set."

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  1. Any material? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Funny

    'We're making a printer that, rather than just being able to load in proprietary materials, you can load in any material you want.

    How about bacon? I always wanted to print with bacon.

    1. Re:Any material? by Sockatume · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's exactly what it's not doing.

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    2. Re:Any material? by click2005 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There is a 3D food printer on Kickstarter canned Foodini, it prints almost any food that can be squirted out a tube so bacon paste maybe.

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    3. Re: Any material? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      If I were to print a sculpture out of bacon, I'd be sure to name it Kevin. But if the sculpture resembled Natalie Portman, people would probably ask why I call Natalie Kevin and consequently wouldn't get the joke.

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  2. Re:They make their money off of software. by taiwanjohn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was thinking the same thing. And this breaks down their analogy to the Google Nexus, since Android was released as "free" and (reasonably) "open" software. OTOH, if you can afford a $5k printer, you can probably afford a "seat" license for AutoCAD too. Seems to me the maker-bot crowd have already sparked the fire, so I'm not sure how this new offering is going to speed up the revolution. I don't see anything wrong with what they're doing either... just have to wait and see what comes of it.

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  3. "open source nature of Autodesk's platform" ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought Autodesk products like AutoCAD weren't open source.... ummmm.... can someone please enlighten me?

    1. Re:"open source nature of Autodesk's platform" ??? by some+old+guy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The flagship products, i.e. AutoCAD, are closed source, but document utilities and the API's for standard formats (ISO and ASCII *.dxf for example) are open source. Note: the international file format standards were adopted from Autodesk's proprietary formats many years ago.

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    2. Re:"open source nature of Autodesk's platform" ??? by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

      They aren't This is marketing BS. Autodesk is about as closed source as you can get. They open source their document formats so any competitor will use them and further solidify Autodesks leadership position. But that has nothing to do with being open and everything to do with trying to lock in customers. Go install Autocad... It should elicit memories of installing Microsoft software in the 1990s. You enter keys and serials, verify things on-line over and over... You better hope nothing gets screwed up in your registry because you'll never get it running again. Oh, and you have to pay a yearly subscription that's hundreds of dollars. /rollseyes

      I'm not into 3D printers yet, they're not much more than toys at the moment. I'm not paying $1k for a toy. A CNC Mill is a lot more useful and not that much more expensive (granted it wouldn't be a great CNC mill) But I can see it coming, and I'm sure Autodesk does as well. All it will take is the discovery of a new kind of plastic and 3D printers will change things over night. The 3D printer crowd is a pretty big market though in regards to CAD software. Autdesks products are ridiculously expensive. People doing 3D printing just blew all their money on a printer, they cant afford to pay thousands for autocad. So they're either pirating it or switching to Linux which has a couple dozens truly open source cad programs.

      This is just an attempt by them to stay relevant. But they stopped being relevant due to their sales model about 10 years ago. The only advantage they still have is being taught in schools. Which isn't a bad advantage... remember Apple in the 80's/90's? Schools didn't even have Dos! But that will only last for so long.

  4. Monopoly by DrYak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    monopoly? huh... how?
    They are dozens of 3D printers models out-there, both by big brand (like Materialize) or very small maker groups (RepRap), based on several different technologies (glued powder, extruted melted material, laser polymerisation, etc.).

    There's a clear open standard to transfer data (STL).
    This format is documented (and is brain dead simple).
    Anything that can spit this format can be used for 3D printing.
    Any printer that can eat this format will print.

    The only ploy for Autodesk is that they are a dominant actor in the market of software used to make the models (the "STL spitting" mentionned above).
    The more the 3D Printing market expands, the more demand for models, and thus the more creator may buy Autodesk professionnal ).

    But no monopoly is going to take over the STL ecosystem,
    just like the post-script ecosystem didn't got taken over by HP.

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  5. Re:Great, another quasi-monopoly by NotInHere · · Score: 2

    With Android, google did something good to the mobile world I think. It has created a mostly open source OS, and allowed it for every company to install it on their device. Whether it has a monopoly or not, it created a base for small companies to start with, when creating their own mobile OS. This OS also has standardized lots of the mobile phone world outside of this apple walled garden. Look at how incompatible those old feature phones were across vendors.

  6. Re:Proprietary materials? by orgelspieler · · Score: 4, Informative

    IANAL, but wouldn't this be prohibited by the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act? Ingersoll-Rand try to pull that crap on me with an oil change on an air compressor. Once they knew I knew my rights, they got real apologetic real quick.

    15 USC S2302

    (c) Prohibition on conditions for written or implied warranty; waiver by Commission

    No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumer's using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name; except that the prohibition of this subsection may be waived by the Commission if—

    (1) the warrantor satisfies the Commission that the warranted product will function properly only if the article or service so identified is used in connection with the warranted product, and

    (2) the Commission finds that such a waiver is in the public interest.

    The Commission shall identify in the Federal Register, and permit public comment on, all applications for waiver of the prohibition of this subsection, and shall publish in the Federal Register its disposition of any such application, including the reasons therefor.

  7. misleading by joss · · Score: 3, Informative

    > uses a laser to harden liquid plastic

    ie http://www.3dsystems.com/quick... the tech that i was writing software for 20 years ago..

    > you can load in any material you want.

    well, sure, it just won't make anything. I mean you *could* load the machine with fucking coca cola if you wanted, but its not going to give you a part.

    To actually make something you need a photosensitive resin with very precise material properties. Back in the day that stuff cost $300/litre .. i'm sure its come down a bit, but the i'll bet ya good stuff still aint cheap

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  8. Leading 3d Modeling? by ClimbRocks · · Score: 3, Informative

    "The Leading 3d Modeling Software" is actually Solidworks by Dassault Systems, I suspect by wide margin over Autodesk Inventor. Of the equipment vendors I deal with, only 2 out of 8 use Inventor, the rest are on Solidworks. It's not unusual however, for most vendors to have Autocad (from autodesk) in addtion to either package, which is primarily for 2d line drawings (it does have some 3d capability, but the modeling is usually done in Inventor) Some other supporting stats. http://blog.cnccookbook.com/wp...

  9. Solving a solved problem by BitZtream · · Score: 4, Informative

    To control your 3d printer, or CNC machine, you use G-Code. Its been around for about 70 years since the original MIT variant. At this point in time it is the de-facto standard for CNC (which includes mills, lathes, AND printers)

    All printers and CNC mills I've seen use G-code, there is absolutely no reason Autodesk needs to be involved in this other than to make their software output proper g-code.

    For $30 you can create a G-Code capable stepper motor controller using an Arduino and GRBL. For $60 you can combine an Arduino and the GRBL Shield and power low end steppers like those used in pretty much all home/small 3d printers and an extruder, bed warmer and a few other things with only a few additional relays.

    GRBL is more than capable of doing all of the important bits of g-code and several that aren't so important when it comes to 3D Printing, so we already have a fully functional OSS g-code implementation, not to mention all the other ones such as the reprap controller software and so forth.

    Dear Autodesk,

    FUCK OFF, we don't want your shitty ass proprietary bullshit which will use some randomly new standard like printing auto cad files directly rather than producing a proper intermediate format. Its a 100% certainty that you will NOT create anything optimized for efficiency or space, only vendor lock in to your software.

    Your software also, well, fucking sucks in almost every conceivable way. The only reason you still have customers is legacy, nothing else.

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    1. Re:Solving a solved problem by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Awww, don't be so harsh on Autodesk. They will just want $1200 per person per year to keep your $6000 printer current and running - is that really so much to ask? A pittance, really, a trifle. Imagine all the wonderful things we^h^hyou can do^h^hsupport with that trivial licensing fee, like that great Autodesk HQ building with doggy day care and free meals. All for just a small nearly-voluntary donation once a year.

      (If Adobe and SCO had a bastard child, it would only be half as evil as AutoDesk.)

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  10. Monoprice by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

    Monoprice also announced their printer, it's similar to a dual-head MakerBot but for roughly half the price.

  11. Open Source, my copious backside by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 2

    'The printer is a bona fide attempt to prove the interoperability and open source nature of Autodesk's platform,says Pete Basiliere.'

    'Please ignore the fact that we still require you to run Microsoft Excel to fully use Autodesk Inventor.'