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Congressmen Who Lobbied FCC Against Net Neutrality & Received Payoff

An anonymous reader writes "Ars Technica published an article Friday highlighting the results from research conducted by a money-in-politics watchdog regarding the 28 congressmen who sent a combined total of three letters to the FCC protesting against re-classifying the internet as a public utility. These 28 members of the U.S. House of Representatives 'received, on average, $26,832 from the "cable & satellite TV production & distribution" sector over a two-year period ending in December. According to the data, that's 2.3 times more than the House average of $11,651.' That's average. Actual amounts that the 28 received over a two year period ranged from $109,250 (Greg Walden, R-OR) to $0 (Nick Rahall, D-WV). Look at the list yourselves, and find your representative to determine how much legitimacy can be attributed to their stated concerns for the public."

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  1. US is an oligarchy, not a democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

    1. Re:US is an oligarchy, not a democracy by tlambert · · Score: 2

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

      They're using the wrong word. It's a Plutocracy, not an Oligarchy.

    2. Re:US is an oligarchy, not a democracy by tlambert · · Score: 3, Informative

      An Oligarchy does not necessarily mean that the wealthy control the government; it can also apply to dynastic rulership by families on the basis of something other than wealth, e.g. as in Feudalism, or it could be a combination of factors, not always involving wealth.

      The study referred to specifically called out wealth as the overriding factor in control, which makes it a Plutocracy.

      You can see from the wikipedia article on Oligarchy that it's a quite inexact term for what they are talking about:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O...

      "Forms of government and other political structures associated with oligarchy can include aristocracy, meritocracy, military junta, plutocracy, stratocracy, technocracy, theocracy and timocracy."

      For a supposedly academic study, you'd think they would be a little less loose with their definitions, particularly when they are counter to the conclusions they have reached, under some circumstances. For example, I don't think under any stretch of the imagination could we say that the government of the U.S. was a Theocracy, Technocracy, or Military Junta. Indeed, we can say that it went from a Timocracy to a Plutocracy about the time corporations gained citizenship, and dollars were ruled to be equivalent to speech by the U.S. Supreme Court.

    3. Re:US is an oligarchy, not a democracy by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      So you're basically confirming what I was alluding to, i.e., that every plutocracy is an oligarchy, just like every car is a motor vehicle, therefore, the original article isn't incorrect.

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  2. Employees != lobbyists by Enry · · Score: 2

    I'm in the healthcare and higher education industry, but my beliefs don't always match that of my employers. While I can understand employees of a company may want to keep their business going, I consider it a far cry from actual lobbyists or company executives doing the same.

    1. Re:Employees != lobbyists by hey! · · Score: 2

      Well, you've never been in a position where your employer *required* you to attend fundraisers. Your views have nothing to do with it; your continued employment does.

      In effect this is money laundering, but it occurs at a management level where nobody wants to rock the boat because the pay is so good.

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  3. Let's reclassify Lobbying as Bribery and by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    make it illegal.

    1. Re:Let's reclassify Lobbying as Bribery and by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As long as your lobbying doesn't include giving money or favours, fine. Lobbying should amount to a written letter explaining your reasoning for changes in law and how they benefit society.

    2. Re: Let's reclassify Lobbying as Bribery and by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I assume you wouldnt bring a briefcase with 100k in it.

    3. Re:Let's reclassify Lobbying as Bribery and by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      So in this scenario, did you just bribe the judge or legal system by using a lobbyist (lawyer) who went and made your case through channels not open to you on your behalf in ways you couldn't make on your own so convincingly that you prevailed?

      In theory (and practice) you have no fewer rights if you represent yourself. So, no, that's not bribery.

      That's one of the things lobbyist do.

      No, they don't. They have access you don't have. Because they pre-bribed the Congressman. It's not a bribe to pay someone money for "future consideration" (so long as that's not explicitly a vote). They have access *you* will never have. Thus, it's bribery.

      And it is more likely that one person representing 10,000 voters can make this case in person than it is for 10,000 people individually.

      If that's what happens, I might change my mind, but the "one person" is representing one company, and lying about the people they represent (there are not 10,000 people who want it, and if there were, they certainly didn't send letters to a lobbyist to take the issue to the Congressman).

    4. Re:Let's reclassify Lobbying as Bribery and by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, although it is hardly ever prosecuted when it is openly and know, offering a bribe is against the law too.

      http://www.law.cornell.edu/usc...

      It seems that if you offer a bribe, you can be fined 3 times the monetary equivalent amount of the bribe and be sentenced to up to 15 years in prison as well as being disqualified to ever hold any pubic office or work for the government.

      But Tom Steyer who recently announced he would give donations totaling 100 million dollars to candidates promising to support rejecting the keystone XL pipeline and support global warming efforts will likely never be prosecuted despite those acts specifically matching the first paragraph in the law

      (1) directly or indirectly, corruptly gives, offers or promises anything of value to any public official or person who has been selected to be a public official, or offers or promises any public official or any person who has been selected to be a public official to give anything of value to any other person or entity, with intentâ"
      (A) to influence any official act; or

      This is because for some reasons, campaign donations don't seem to count as bribery. Maybe they should when they have purposely stated attachments to them instead of simply amplifying already existing convictions or the politicians. Maybe we should just accept it and move on knowing that there are problems.

    5. Re:Let's reclassify Lobbying as Bribery and by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So in this scenario, did you just bribe the judge or legal system by using a lobbyist (lawyer) who went and made your case through channels not open to you on your behalf in ways you couldn't make on your own so convincingly that you prevailed?

      No. You didn't.

      The lawyer's job is to represent your legal interests in front of a judge.
      In criminal cases, if you can't afford a lawyer, the court will appoint one to represent you.

      On the other hand, the role of the Registered Lobbyist was created specifically to regulate bribery of public officials and to shine light on the interactions of public representatives plus those seeking to influence them.

      Lawyers and lobbyists both have strict rules they have to abide by, but their basic function in society is *not* the same thing at all. Not even close.

      Because of increased disclosure rules, less people are registering as lobbyists and conducting their business outside of the public eye.
      No lawyer can represent you in front of the court if (s)he turns in their license to practice law.

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    6. Re:Let's reclassify Lobbying as Bribery and by Frankie70 · · Score: 2

      No, not a good idea. Then the USA will rank higher in all of those lists of most corrupt countries. We cannot then pretend that's it's the middle east, asian and third world countries that are the only ones which are corrupt.

  4. I don't believe it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All this is, is confirmation of what everyone already knew in their gut, but try to ignore on a daily basis. This is just for something as "small" as net neutrality, use your imagination for more important issues.

  5. News Flash! by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2

    Lobbyists influence politicians! Who knew!

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  6. Greg Walden by Todd+Palin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My congressman, Greg Walden, is in a rock solid Republican district. He gets re-elected no matter what he does. As long as he can stay out of jail and avoid a primary challenge he wins by 2 to 1 in every race. He can take money from the highest bidder and get away with it. He is "congressman for life".

    1. Re:Greg Walden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Submit him to Bill Maher's #flipadistrict.

    2. Re:Greg Walden by Todd+Palin · · Score: 2

      He gets a Democratic challenger in most elections. If it is a candidate with experience and solid credentials the Democrat gets 35% of the vote. If the challenger is an 18 year old high school dropout that lives in their mothers basement, they get 30% of the vote.

      Run if you want, and you will get between 30 and 35 percent of the vote depending on your experience and funding. And, trust me, Walden will not care one bit either way.

    3. Re:Greg Walden by Todd+Palin · · Score: 2

      Walden raises enormous amounts of cash from corporate interests. In addition to the communication industry he collects from mining, timber, pharmaceutical, medical, finance, war, chemical, ranching, and agriculture industries. Since he can't even come close to spending it all on his own re-election, he doles it out to other candidates in exchange for committee appointments and extra votes on critical issues. In other words, he buys more power. Then he actually uses the fact that he has power to persuade people to vote for him. In a district that relies heavily on mining, timber, and ranching, his support of those industries seems persuasive to many voters, even if the people that work in those industries getting screwed by this votes. People don't seem to be able to distinguish support of an industry from support of the workers in a particular industry, and the two don't always go together.

  7. For taking zero dollars... by Nutria · · Score: 2

    does that mean that Nick Rahall is just an idiot for thinking that Net Neutrality is a bad idea?

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    1. Re:For taking zero dollars... by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      does that mean that Nick Rahall is just an idiot for thinking that Net Neutrality is a bad idea?

      I think it means that he took a lot more than the otherwise top guy. It just wasnt a campaign donation... it was a straight up bribe such as a promise of a position when he leaves office.

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  8. Pretty much by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    one of the nasty parts of our history they don't teach is that large sections of our Constitution and the basis of our Representative government were designed to keep poor people from voting themselves the land that the wealthy had already claimed. It's all right there is books and documents from the time. There really wasn't any reason to hide it since if you were literate you were probably rich.

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    1. Re:Pretty much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Remember: http://www.wolf-pac.com/
      Move your ass, do something.

    2. Re:Pretty much by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think it was intended to protect the wealthy so much as it was intended to protect against mob mentality. Even in cases where it protects land you own, you didn't have to be wealthy to own land.

      The most important thing was that they didn't like (and indeed just escaped from) a situation where lords and kings could just take anything you owned at any time they wanted because it was their "divine right." They certainly didn't want to replace that with a new government that was every bit as capable of doing the same thing, otherwise what the fuck was the point? Whether people voted you away from your land, or a king just demanded you relinquish it, is ultimately the same kind of injustice.

      Just because "the people" want it, doesn't make it any more right. Remember that "the people" also supported slavery, indeed certain items like California Prop 8 won with a majority of voters.

    3. Re:Pretty much by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I actually look at what money candidates receive and who paid it. If the people lavishing money on them are my enemy then I tend to vote for the other candidate. All too often though the other candidate is also taking big payouts from the same bastards. It's hard to win when both candidates are bought.

    4. Re:Pretty much by knightghost · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dollars do not win elections.

      IMHO that statement is 100% false and the example is a cherry picked outlier. Dollars are by far the most important thing in an election - especially the bigger elections. They pay for strategy and marketing to craft the proper lie then buy commercials to brainwash the populace.

    5. Re:Pretty much by guises · · Score: 5, Informative

      According to Politifact, it's only mostly false. The candidate who spends the most money wins 80+% of the time (98% for the house in 2004), but exactly how often they win varies by election.

    6. Re:Pretty much by dcollins117 · · Score: 2

      The most important thing was that they didn't like (and indeed just escaped from) a situation where lords and kings could just take anything you owned at any time they wanted because it was their "divine right." They certainly didn't want to replace that with a new government that was every bit as capable of doing the same thing, otherwise what the fuck was the point? Whether people voted you away from your land, or a king just demanded you relinquish it, is ultimately the same kind of injustice.

      Instead we have eminent domain, which is effectively the same thing.

    7. Re:Pretty much by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Instead we have eminent domain, which is effectively the same thing.

      Civil forfeiture is even more terrifying.

    8. Re:Pretty much by dryeo · · Score: 2

      Maybe I'm just showing my lack of history but I thought the American colonies were British, you know, the country that beheaded one King for insisting in the divine right of Kings and then gave the boot to his son who also thought he had a "divine right". This was in 1688 that Parliament asserted themselves as supreme, passed the Bill of Rights of 1689, changed the Monarchs Oath to reflect the new reality and invited a Dutch man and his wife, the Kings daughter to rule on the understanding that Parliament called the shots. A parliament that included one house that was elected by land owners and renters who paid over X amount in rent. They were overdue for redistricting the ridings though which introduced corruption much like gerrymandering does now.. They also had an unelected house who put the brakes on the elected house doing things like making copyright for ever, instead limiting it to 14+14 years for the advancement of learning.
      Now it is true that King George III was muttering that all his subjects should have equal rights including the natives of N. America having rights to their land and this really upset some land speculators such as George Washington and of course the other rich people who did not believe in equality for everyone (look at the constitution, while claiming equality also supported slavery) because obviously those heathen Indians were no more human then those black people.

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    9. Re:Pretty much by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      Actually I've heard of one of these things happening before. A cousin of mine was carrying $5,000 in cash. They just flat out took it away, and demanded receipts showing that he legally earned that money. THAT is fucked up. Past pay stubs and crap like that don't work either; they work under the assumption that you spend every dime you get and never save anything, and if you didn't just recently make a big sale or something like that, your money is guilty until proven innocent (i.e. they automatically assume it's drug money.)

  9. Re:I don't believe it! by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    All this is, is confirmation of what everyone already knew in their gut, but try to ignore on a daily basis.

    They have to ignore it. Otherwise they would feel stupid for reelecting them, and people don't like to be made to feel dumb.

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  10. New Law by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    you can only donate to candidates that you can vote for, and only so much money. Everyone gets the same amount of "Free Speech" then. All that's left after that is to enforce equal air time laws.

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  11. um by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So... donating to the campaigns of congressmen that'll vote for things you want is now bribery?

    Look at their own god damned quoted data: http://maplight.org/us-congres...
    They donated to 397 members of the house out of 435 members which is 91%

    Letter 1 was signed by 4
    Letter 2 was signed by 20
    Letter 3 was signed by 4
    So we have a total of 28 signers.
    So just random statistical chance would mean 91% * 28 = 26 of them would have received contributions.
    27 received contributions, so the total is only off by 1 member or 3%.
    Give me a break. Arstechnica is worse than FoxNews. Why does anyone even read that garbage?

    I despise ALL politicians, and I fully support net neutrality, but this "story" is a joke.

    1. Re:um by khchung · · Score: 2

      So... donating to the campaigns of congressmen that'll vote for things you want is now bribery?

      In most other civilized countries, it IS.

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    2. Re:um by theskipper · · Score: 2

      The article is referring to statistics regarding the amounts received, not the distribution among the congressional population.

  12. The Money Primary by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The issue is not just that lawmakers are given money by corporate interests and then vote for their benefit. It's that someone cannot even participate in the election process without getting vetted by monied interests. Long before a politician runs for office, or even in a primary, he has to present himself to a roomful of rich people who will then determine that the politician will work on their behalf. The party doesn't matter, the process is the same. I don't care if they ran as a left-leaning democrat or a tea party Republican, they have to be vetted by the $30,000/plate club before they can take the first steps toward holding office.

    By the time they get into office, it's already assured that they will find a way to make sure the 1%'s interests are taken care of. Whether they take the extra step like writing a letter to the head of the FCC or sponsoring a bill, well, that's negotiable later for a price, but you already know for sure that they're predisposed to protect the wealthy and powerful.

    As someone above has pointed out, the US Constitution was founded as a plutocracy, and despite all the flowery language about liberty and equality, we were designed to be a country that was run by the wealthy.

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  13. Re:Campaign contributions != payments by taz346 · · Score: 2

    While it may be legal for a representative to vote a certain way, if they're voting that way because they're getting a payoff to vote that way, it's a bribe in my book. Calling it a campaign contribution is just semantics. Our system of unlimited spending on political campaigns enhances the likelihood that votes on issues such as net neutrality will go the way the highest bidders want it to go.

  14. Cultural Literacy by westlake · · Score: 5, Informative

    Large sections of our Constitution and the basis of our Representative government were designed to keep poor people from voting themselves the land that the wealthy had already claimed... There really wasn't any reason to hide it since if you were literate you were probably rich.

    A dangerous assumption to make.

    In 1776, one book, written in complex language, sold over 120,000 copies in Colonial America.

    First convert 120,000 into a fraction of the U.S. population in 1776: compared to the population at the time of 2.5 million, 120,000 is roughly 1 in 20, or 5%. Today's U.S. population is about 300 million --- of which 5% is 15 million.

    Fifteen million copies today! More surprisingly, Common Sense by Thomas Paine sold this equivalent in just three months. In its first year, it sold 500,000 copies, or 20% of the colonial population.

    Today's equivalent is 60 million copies.

    Were Colonial Americans More Literate than Americans Today?. ''Every Man Able to Read''

    In the late colonial and early federal era, disputes over land ownership centered on the opening of the western frontiers to settlement and the abolition of feudal tenures. The Last Patroon

    The Library of America's two volume "The Debate on the Constitution" can be found in most public libraries.

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  15. Yeah, by rayk_sland · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Industry lobbyists exert control over Congress through bribery, Congress exerts control over the US through law, US exerts control over as much as the world as possible through sheer bullying. Americans unimpressed by the lack of voice in Congress? What about all the rest of us that have to put up with a world marred by industry lobbyists? America's lack of democracy poisons the planet. -- Guess we'l have to start teaching our children about Anthropogenic Global Insanity...

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  16. Re:double standard by taz346 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm fully aware of the Supreme Court's recent rulings equating unlimited campaign spending with free speech. I disagree with their reasoning. Other democracies limit both overall campaign spending as well as the length of election campaigns, and those democracies function quite well. When the Court says, "This is because virtually every means of communicating ideas in today's mass society requires the expenditure of money," it ignores obvious alternative methods of mass communication. In the U.S., for example, we have public broadcasting networks in both radio and TV that could be used to give every candidate ample and equal opportunities to reach the public. The Court citing "free speech" as if it always triumphs every other consideration ignores the fact that our society and our courts often limit the free speech of individuals when not doing so would cause harm to other individuals or to society as a whole. Aside from that, I do not agree that campaign spending equals free speech. It comes down to whether or not we believe unlimited campaign spending distorts and corrupts the political process. I believe the evidence is that it clearly does, and I believe that issues like net neutrality illustrate that. Many of the representatives who signed Letter 2 that was referenced in the Ars Technica article represent areas where Internet access is very limited. They are betting that since so many of their constitutents don't have home Internet access, most of them won't even notice their actions on net neutrality or even know what it is. In fact, I doubt most of those representatives could explain net neutrality if asked. They got contributions and signed the letter they were asked to sign because that's how the campaign funding business works.

  17. Who didn't sign by jklovanc · · Score: 2

    Take a look at this chart. There are 12 house members who received campaign contribution at or above the level of John Barrow. A total of $880K were given to these campaigns. If that $800K, $391K was given to the five campaigns that signed the letters and $489K was given to campaigns that did not sign the letters. Giving campaign contributions does not guarantee public support.

    Also take a look at this report. Out of the 51 bill the group had a position on the House voted their way four times. That is an 8% success rate. It does not look like the contributions are making a difference.