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Wolfenstein: The New Order Launches

Back in 1992, Wolfenstein 3D helped kick off the fledgling FPS genre. Today, the saga continues with Wolfenstein: the New Order. It's set in an alternate-history world where the Nazis won WW2, with hero B.J. Blazkowicz setting out to join resistance fighters. Unusually for a modern FPS, the game has no multiplayer element — it's single-player only. Early reviews for the game are generally positive. Polygon's says, "First, stealth is a valid option for extended portions of the game, with silent melee takedowns and a brutally effective suppressed pistol. There's also a form of progression in Wolfenstein: The New Order's perk system. Performing certain actions in combat unlocks new abilities and upgrades over time, which can make a significant difference in the way you can tackle firefights. You can also find weapon upgrades that further escalate the raw, over-the-top violence on display. This combination of old ideas and new hooks seems mismatched, but I was taken aback by how well it all worked together."

Eurogamer had some criticism: "Less impressive are the plot and the characters, which often feel like they exist only to amplify the opportunities for violence and sensationalism. ... I wouldn't say it's offensive, but Wolfenstein: The New Order isn't a very tactful game, even though it's often trying to be. ... This is a game that does everything it needs to to earn an 18 certificate but rarely manages to achieve a sense of either gravity or maturity." The game is out for the PS3/4, Xbox 360/One, and Windows. It's build on the id Tech 5 engine, and that's causing some graphics issues on the PC, much like RAGE did when it launched in 2011. The game's massive size (~50GB) is causing problems for PS4 owners as well.

167 comments

  1. creepy by binarylarry · · Score: 2

    An Id tech game without carmack?

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    1. Re:creepy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the some of the guys who developed it were formerly of the old demoscene group "Triton" so I don't doubt that it is an impressive piece of work. The trouble I have is with the publisher, Bethesda (AKA ZeniMax) and their unscrupulous attempt to block Carmack from working at Oculus VR. In addition, the game requires Steam, which is an automatic no buy for me.

      Looks like TPB is the way to go unless they get it up on gog.com or at least with something more acceptable, like a serial number and/or disc check.

    2. Re:creepy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An Id tech game without carmack?

      So in other words...
      "mein laven!"

    3. Re:creepy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "mein leben!"

      FTFY

    4. Re:creepy by vux984 · · Score: 4, Funny

      ""mein laven!" [sic]

        When I was a kid, I thought they were saying "My name is...." and then trailing off in death.

      I always thought that was neat, that it humanized them in some way, that they weren't "faceless nazis" but ordinary people, with kids, families, names... i had to kill them, but it was not as morally unambiguouous as simply I'm the good guy killing the bad guy.

      Later on I found it was "mein leben"... or "my life" in german; and that was the end of that.

    5. Re:creepy by Nemyst · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's only an id tech game even. It's by MachineGames, who're basically a bunch of ex-Starbreeze developers. Now, Starbreeze did a few good games like The Darkness and both Riddick games, but they also made less than impressive stuff like Syndicate, so it's a bit of a mixed bag.

      Even if Carmack were still at id (and he was for the vast majority of this game's development cycle, remember), he probably would've had little involvement. Not that I feel like it matters, though. Carmack is an amazing programmer and engine developer, but he's not very good at designing games from that tech (as can be seen by the fairly middling output id has had since shortly after its early days).

    6. Re:creepy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a similar mishearing with a certain boss shouting "Oh..... IM CAPTAIN NEMO!!!!"

    7. Re:creepy by ildon · · Score: 1

      There have been like 100 id tech games without Carmack. What the hell do you think they were licensing for almost 20 years?

    8. Re:creepy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the best you can do? Capt Nemo? Embrace the evil that is the current world leaders.

    9. Re:creepy by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Honestly the best id tech games *have* been without Carmack. Return to Castle Wolfenstein (the best in the series, especially the multiplayer) had little to do with id other than the engine...

    10. Re:creepy by Khyber · · Score: 1

      I still rock Enemy Territory to this day.

      F|A servers!

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    11. Re:creepy by F34nor · · Score: 1

      You idiots; the Wolfenstien quote to reference no Caramack would be "Eva Auf Wiedersehen"

    12. Re:creepy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I still rock Enemy Territory to this day."

      Me too. You can play it even with a cellphone connection, in newer games, you don't have a chance with that.

    13. Re:creepy by GloomE · · Score: 1

      but they also made less than impressive stuff like Syndicate, so it's a bit of a mixed bag.

      Now I'm not sure if you're how to take the rest of your post.
      For a 20 year old game what was wrong with Syndicate?

    14. Re:creepy by GrumpySteen · · Score: 2

      You're confusing the 1993 game by Bullfrog with the 2012 remake by Starbreeze.

    15. Re:creepy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still rock Enemy Territory to this day.

      F|A servers!

      No he said RTCW, not that bastard spawn ET that had no soul. 3

    16. Re:creepy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "mein leben!"

      "mein Leben!".

      FTFY

    17. Re:creepy by snemarch · · Score: 1

      It's a shame nobody ever made a modern version of Syndicate.

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    18. Re:creepy by Khyber · · Score: 1

      ET was the MP from RTCW, which he mentioned.

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    19. Re:creepy by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Carmack is not that good at making games, he doesn't even enjoy the "game" part of programing that much.
      What he is is an outstanding programmer, and he happens to enjoy the technical aspects of game engines.

      I believe that once the engine is done, Carmack's contribution to the game is minimal.

    20. Re:creepy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Mein leben!"

      FTFY

    21. Re:creepy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They did in 2012. It's a very good game too, just not the same style as the original.

    22. Re:creepy by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Syndicate the FPS was a decent enough game, but it didn't have much of anything to do with the old Bullfrog Syndicate games, so the neckbeards got all huffy and started whining. Had it had a generic cyberpunk setting, they would have gobbled it up and loved it.

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    23. Re:creepy by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Wolfenstein 2009 is a much much better singleplayer game than RTCW, especially with the Retrostein mod, which reduces the consolitis and ups the challenge a bit.

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    24. Re:creepy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Mein leben!"

      FTFY

      All nouns are capitalized in German, so you broke as much as you fixed.

    25. Re:creepy by msim · · Score: 1

      From when i played it as a new release I always thought they were saying "My Mavis".
      Dragged my copy out a couple of weeks ago and it still sounds like that to me.

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  2. I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by uCallHimDrJ0NES · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Eurogamer's criticism seems legit, but begs the question, what constitutes a "mature" plot for a FPS? An 18 certificate doesn't imply a promise of maturity, does it?

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    1. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by mythosaz · · Score: 1, Informative
    2. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by uCallHimDrJ0NES · · Score: 1

      Thanks!

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    3. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 0

      the word "let" originally meant "hinder, obstruct, or delay". Do you also throw a pissy fit whenever somebody uses it to mean "permit or allow"? If you don't you're a hypocrite and a troll.

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    4. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by Cinder6 · · Score: 1

      I think it's important to keep the original meaning of "beg the question" because there's no (AFAIK) other, simple way to say what it describes. Also, there's a difference between "originally meant" and "currently means, but is often misused".

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    5. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by Nemyst · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Check out Spec Ops: The Line. It may not be perfect, and it's third person, but it's the sort of story you could be doing in an FPS, instead of another hoo-ah Call of Duty.

    6. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by Hsien-Ko · · Score: 1

      A gratuitous sex scene in for no reason is one thing.

    7. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eurogamer's criticism seems legit, but begs the question, what constitutes a "mature" plot for a FPS? An 18 certificate doesn't imply a promise of maturity, does it?

      deus ex

    8. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      I think the original latin name and it's english translation are a lot simpler and logically clear. Petitio Principii translates as "Assuming the Premise/Initial Point" which is exactly what kind of circular reasoning fallacy is being committed.

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    9. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which begs the question, why should I care about your opinion?

    10. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That is easy you have 2 options:
      1. Cutting enemies to pieces and drinking their blood. Shooting people in the face so hard the brain matter hits their grand kids and gibs them. Skinning people and wearing their skin to prom. Worshiping Satan while beating nuns to death with a rake. Running Noble laureates through a meat grinder before urinating and defecating on their grieving widows.

      Now if you cannot incorporate 100% of those things into your game but you are doing a US release, there is option 2.

      2. Do a game where people sit and drink tea while looking at and discussing a sunset but include a 1.5 second shot of a nipple.
         

    11. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your statement can be interpreted as proper usage of the phrase. It's like irony. The idiots correcting people don't even know what they're correcting most of the time.

    12. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by uCallHimDrJ0NES · · Score: 1

      I happen to have that on Steam, and I will do so. Thanks.

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    13. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2. Do a game where people sit and drink tea while looking at and discussing a sunset but include a 1.5 second shot of a nipple.

      You should have put a trigger warning on your post! I've reported you to the cyberpolice you creep!
      Slashdot should ban the n-word, lest some innocent children read it and ruin their whole life!

    14. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Humble bundle had a bundle with Tower of Guns (http://store.steampowered.com/app/266110/) and that is a game where you travel .. a gun tower? with a somewhat random selection of gun + skill to begin with and then some randomness in extra abilities to your gun, level design and enemies and go shooting guns.

      Now the guns could probably had been anything and the game is likely about how you move and shoot possibly considering the option in hand.

      There's likely no pissing on hoes or weirdly proportioned nude females in it. But you, your gun and things to shoot at.

      Mature? I don't know. It's an FPS which seem to be all about shooting on things.

    15. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by gmhowell · · Score: 3, Funny

      Which begs the question, why should I care about your opinion?

      Your statement is like rain on your wedding day.

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    16. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Obligatory: http://begthequestion.info/

      This post makes me feel gay.

    17. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      "currently means, but is often misused".

      Which begs the question, if it is misused more commonly by a larger variety of the population in text, wouldn't that imply the original meaning is now the misuse?

      That's the problem with a fluid language like English where words like LOL can end up in the dictionary simply because people frequently use them. If you wan't to try and tell someone that the most common use of a term is incorrect then I suggest moving to France where that kind of language police exist.

    18. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      The original name is Greek. Petitio principii is a translation of the Greek into medieval Latin; given that most of the few people who learn Latin today learn the classical form, its use is an invitation to misunderstand. The English phrase circular reasoning, which you also use, avoids that problem.

    19. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by Nephandus · · Score: 1

      So you see nothing wrong with Newspeak as long as it's popular?

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    20. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      There is a certain rationale to the complaint though.

      "Begging the question" is still a valid term in debate. It retains that meaning. We can work out which people are using from context (if they use the more modern meaning, they'll usually specifiy the question being begged) but it's not that unreasonable to want to defend a useful term.

      Personally I'd avoid its use and say "raises the question" instead rather than get on someone case for using an ambiguous term.

    21. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      Cosmic irony. Look it up.

    22. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by drcagn · · Score: 2

      Throughout history, in many cultures the language of the masses differed from the language of the learned. Yet it is the language of the learned, despite being outnumbered, that always goes down in history as canon. It still is so today that we have these split languages in the US, although the languages of the masses are very much regional here.

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    23. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      The whole point of an FPS is that you're running around pretending to be a soldier. Fun, but I'm not sure that will ever be considered "mature".

    24. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's important to keep the original meaning of "beg the question" because there's no (AFAIK) other, simple way to say what it describes.

      The problem with this is that due to internet pedantism, you really can't even use the original meaning anymore, either.

      On more than one occasion I've seen people use "beg the question" with the meaning "assume the key point"*, only to have some self-satisfied know-it-all upbraid them for it, thinking they were one of the unwashed masses using it to mean "raises the question". Or you get the opposite, where the thread degenerates into self-congratulatory nonsense as the pedants nod appreciatively on you using it correctly.

      So even if you're using it correctly, using "beg the question" on the internet immediately invites a lengthy side discussion on "correct" usage, even if it's completely pointless to the original thread. - The upshot is that you should no longer use the phrase (or words like "ironic") on the internet, even if you do so "correctly".

      The internet: Ruining language and useful discussion since 1993.

      * (Which, by the way, is a simple and more self-explanitory way of saying what the "original meaning" of "beg the question" is)

    25. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Except it's not Newspeak when the vast majority of the population uses it. It is what we call language.

      Shouting at the top of the hill a different meaning for the phrase begs the question will fall on deaf ears. You may as well say that gay doesn't mean homosexual because it used to have a very different meaning in popular use, or that the word LOL doesn't exist despite what the Oxford dictionary will tell you.

      The English language is fluid and ever changing. Some languages don't have this characteristic and rely on a centralised body to determine how to speak. If we look to the dictionary, the McGraw-Hill dictionary of American idioms points out that the popular use of the phrase is incorrect but lists it anyway. The Cambridge dictionary of American idioms simply lists both uses of the phrase without saying right or wrong.

      So I ask again, if the populous understands the phrase a particular way, and the media (not just news, but all media since this will appear in books as well) understands the phrase a particular way, and the dictionary defines the phrase to be interpreted in that particular way, who are you or I to say that it is wrong?

    26. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Very true and my point exactly. Languages evolve, and I struggle to make sense of anything Shakespeare wrote. Does that mean the entire english speaking world is now wrong? No. It just means that what once was a popular interpretation has moved on.

    27. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the word "let" originally meant "hinder, obstruct, or delay". Do you also throw a pissy fit whenever somebody uses it to mean "permit or allow"? If you don't you're a hypocrite and a troll.

      I think you mean "hissy" fit? It's short/slang for hysterical in this context.

    28. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by geekoid · · Score: 2

      no. It's not the stupid ages when each city and community had little communication with each other, so changes happened.
      We live in the age of the internet. Their is no longer a reason to let ignorance dictate changes in meaning.

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    29. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by geekoid · · Score: 2

      "The English language is fluid and ever changing."
      Stop and ask yourself why that is? IT's because there was little communication, no standards, libraries where not widely available or well stocked.
      So changes happened.
      We are no longer isolated. We have the internet. SO there is no need for language to change due to ignorance.

      "who are you or I to say that it is wrong?"
      smart people who don't want ignorance to dictate how we speak.

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    30. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by Graydyn+Young · · Score: 1

      An 18+ certificate almost implies a promise of immaturity at this point. 18+ games always have the sort of ridiculous violence and awkward nudity that primarily appeal to 18- gamers.

    31. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another 1 line fart reply from gmhowell!

    32. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Circular reasoning and begging the question are not at all the same thing.

    33. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no use in arguing with him. He knew what was meant. He just wanted to be pretentious, so he could feel smarter. This is due to deep-seeded issues that are far out of your reach. In other words, you are feeding a troll.

    34. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I feel no pressing need to preserve a language as complicated as English in its current state. Ignorance has nothing to do with it, though that is ONE of the ways that this language changes.

      More importantly if you can understand me then what is the problem? Are you emotionally tied to the beauty of the language? It can't be the meaning since .... well we can still understand each other can't we?

    35. Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is by Xest · · Score: 1

      I played it and thought the story was actually pretty crap. Farcry 3 did a far better job of the whole insanity thing.

  3. Pay up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Unusually for a modern FPS, the game has no multiplayer element... included with the initial purchase.
    Oh, sorry; did you think you were getting that part for free? We'll release that for separate purchase soon. Welcome to 2014.

    1. Re:Pay up! by Slugster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not having a multiplayer element makes it MORE interesting to those that don't play online much (there is still a few of us)...

      I managed to get Left For Dead 2 on Steam the day it was available for free.... the first new game I had played in a few years (I am rather beyond the typical game-buying demographic, most likely).

      Due to a dated PC I tend to prefer playing single-player, but it has a few glaring problems when used that way. It is obvious that they intended it to be played by four people cooperating, and many situations involve coordination that bots can't or will not do. You almost need to resort to using cheat codes to get through many stages, as the bots are often more hindrance than help. And while there is a "last man on earth" variation to play, it doesn't present you with the usual assortment of enemies to fight.

    2. Re:Pay up! by LRAD · · Score: 1

      Good points.

      L4D is a great example of something that is just not as good single player. Period. It's a social game and playing it with a headset is amazing if you have a good crew.

    3. Re:Pay up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot and the people upvoting this are idiots. This game will never have a multiplayer component, whether paid DLC or free. You might have noticed Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Bioshock Infinite also never got multplayer components of any sort. Single player FPSes aren't dead, they're just very rare.

    4. Re:Pay up! by drcagn · · Score: 3

      Considering all the hours I got out of Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory for YEARS... for completely FREE... That's no big deal to me.

      But, honestly, I don't care about multiplayer Wolfenstein, my copy of The New Order comes in tomorrow and I hope they really focused on a great single player experience because not many FPS games do nowadays.

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    5. Re:Pay up! by jones_supa · · Score: 2

      Unusually for a modern FPS, the game has no multiplayer element... included with the initial purchase.
      Oh, sorry; did you think you were getting that part for free? We'll release that for separate purchase soon. Welcome to 2014.

      It forces them to focus on better single player experience when they are not including multiplayer at all.

    6. Re:Pay up! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Saying 'period' in no way strengthen's your point.

      I'm glad you like it more as a social game, but you don't speak for everyone.

      Now, if I had said period after my sentence, would that have changed you mind? made me right?

      stop doing it, it's condescending and makes you look like a non-thinking ass.

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    7. Re:Pay up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stop doing it, it's condescending and makes you look like a non-thinking ass.

      And your niggardly post doesn't?

    8. Re:Pay up! by gerddie · · Score: 1

      Saying 'period' in no way strengthen's your point.

      Indeed, he should have written Full stop :)

    9. Re:Pay up! by LRAD · · Score: 1

      yeah, you're right, sorry for being emphatic in my opinion. I hope that people read your post as inspiration to keep people from being a condescending ass.

  4. Come here! by Jmc23 · · Score: 1
    Your pass!

    Still my favorite version.

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  5. 50 GB?? by Jahoda · · Score: 2

    Did they choose Titanfall's method of "copy protection" ? That is to say, a massive amount of uncompressed sound assets??? Jeeze, that just seems terribly inefficient.

    1. Re:50 GB?? by mythosaz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Back in the day, I recall a number of pirate copies of games that compressed audio/video assets because bits were still costly and slow.

      *shrug*

    2. Re:50 GB?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      check out a video demo the ID Tech 5 engine. The whole concept uses a metric-assload of high detail texture data. tiles it and streams it to the GPU. You get awesome texture detail. at the cost of space...

      -S

    3. Re:50 GB?? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      I remember quite a few pirated games that simply stripped out assets to save space, anything from videos to foreign languages, to also reducing texture sizes. It was funny to read and see the difference in some of the old nfo's, where a game would be say 1GB, and some group would release a rip where the game was squished down to 120MB.

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    4. Re:50 GB?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      shrug! if you have the space on the media why not take full advantage of it. the copy protection is a nice bonus for them, uncompressed formats have the advantage of less processing overhead, if anything it is actually more efficient not less efficient.

    5. Re:50 GB?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's awesome until you get up close. Then it's a washed out 2d mess.

    6. Re:50 GB?? by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      Back in the day, I recall a number of pirate copies of games that compressed audio/video assets because bits were still costly and slow.

      You're thinking of "gamerips" or "repacks"

      I just checked the torrent sites and there's already several repacks out.
      Sometimes they strip game assets, other times they just compress the hell out of everything.
      You'll only know if the NFO specifically says X% Audio Y% Video.

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    7. Re:50 GB?? by Rideak · · Score: 1

      It's better if you have an SSD.

    8. Re:50 GB?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a SSD. How's that change the way megatextures work? Looks great at distance but really fake/flat up close.

    9. Re:50 GB?? by SYSS+Mouse · · Score: 1

      It penalizes those who buy digital copy like Steam

    10. Re:50 GB?? by Jahoda · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Processing power is cheap and plentiful, disk bandwidth is not, especially on consoles. And, 50 GB is still quite a hit on your average user's SSD.

    11. Re:50 GB?? by ehiris · · Score: 1

      Battlefield 4 is 35 GB, and it was nice but the previews of Wolfenstein look a lot better.
      Still, the PS4 has about 400 GB available for game data, so it's not too much of a problem like it would have been on the PS3

      I wonder about the quality of the game on xbox one with its memory/bus bottlenecks.

    12. Re:50 GB?? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      How?

    13. Re:50 GB?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Processing power is cheap and plentiful, disk bandwidth is not, especially on consoles. And, 50 GB is still quite a hit on your average user's SSD.

      50GB is nothing on a PC. And the console version is only like 5GB. At least that's what someone mentioned on a podcast I watched yesterday.

    14. Re:50 GB?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't.

      Rage was bad on that front, but Wolfenstein TNO has something like twice the texture detail on Rage. It's still not great but it no longer bothers me. Neither have I noticed any texture popup during normal gameplay, like which plagued Rage. I was able to get a little bit of popup by throwing the camera around, but that was it. A huge improvement on Rage IOW.

    15. Re:50 GB?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      50GB on an SSD is quite a lot.

    16. Re:50 GB?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing to a spinning hard drive, but everything to a SSD. People still buy 64GB SSDs.

    17. Re:50 GB?? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      THIS! One of my biggest gripes with Steam and similar services is that I can't dedicated different game folders to different games. I have the choice of having my Steam catalogue on my SSD or on my spinney disc. The loading times of many modern games drives me mental.

    18. Re:50 GB?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can set up multiple Steam directories. I've got my big games on my SSD, and the smaller ones on a spinny disk. It's easy to set up, and not that hard to copy games from one to the other.

    19. Re:50 GB?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, that is history. You can now choose to make "steam libraries" on different volumes. I have my most played and disc IO intensive games on an SSD, and the rest on spinning stone tablets.

    20. Re:50 GB?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember waiting five minutes for a 48K game to load from cassette on a ZX Spectrum. And sometimes take two or three attempts to load successfully... time to make sure my lawn is clear of kids.

    21. Re:50 GB?? by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Apparently audio decoding power is not quite cheap and plentiful enough:

      http://www.eurogamer.net/artic...

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    22. Re: 50 GB?? by Subratik · · Score: 1

      Wolfenstein is 40 gigs for ps4 as well. It just downloads in chunks so that users can play while the rest downloads. Just an FYI

    23. Re:50 GB?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes you can: You can create new Steam Folders to different disks and select which disk/folder is used when you install a game.

    24. Re:50 GB?? by kevmatic · · Score: 1

      Uh... On Steam, you can set up more than one Steam folder in the options menu. From then on, when you go to install one, it'll ask you which one you want to install to.

    25. Re: 50 GB?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sure about that? I installed and played on my PS4 for several hours last night, no internet connection at all.

    26. Re:50 GB?? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Thank you! I remember looking into this last year when I got my SSD and the only method I found involved really nasty hacks which then broke my game folder.

      My underlying message is the same. There's nothing more annoying than finally having fast storage only to be unable to use it due to excessively large game sizes.

    27. Re:50 GB?? by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      The exception to this is if you install when you are running in "Big Picture" mode. In that case, the game always gets installed in the default Steam library.

    28. Re:50 GB?? by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      I know what they were called :)

      And to be fair, the only way to really know was to get to the obscure point in the game that needed one of those files and find it missing. :/

    29. Re:50 GB?? by msim · · Score: 1

      Alas no new game content (including TNWO) for me until I get around to shuffling hard drives and putting in something bigger for my game data as I've only got 20Gig free on my Steam data drive.

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  6. C'mon, the interesting question about the game by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    How're they going to butcher it this time to make it "agreeable" with the various censoring bureaus in Europe. Since it's a game with Nazis, I'll be especially delighted with the German version, usually it's funny as hell.

    The kicker is that none of those censoring happens because the countries say that the studios have to, it all happens in proactive submission by the studios themselves.

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    1. Re:C'mon, the interesting question about the game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The kicker is that none of those censoring happens because the countries say that the studios have to, it all happens in proactive submission by the studios themselves.

      That's just not true. Growing up in Germany in the 90s, customs used to capture and destroy uncensored versions of many USA games. The censorship was often done by the German publisher.

    2. Re:C'mon, the interesting question about the game by tepples · · Score: 1

      I seem to remember reading somewhere that Germany recently changed its swastika censorship law to reclassify video games from "children's toys" to "possibly art".

    3. Re:C'mon, the interesting question about the game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's: ... set in an alternate-history world where the Nazis won WW2, with hero B.J. Blazkowicz setting out to join resistance fighters.

      But I want to play ... set in an alternate-history world where Great Germany won WW2, with hero SS-Scharfuehrer H.J. Deutschmann setting out to eradicate the last of the "resistance" terrorists.

      Why can't we fight for Germany ??

    4. Re:C'mon, the interesting question about the game by ildon · · Score: 1

      Supposedly in the German version they completely changed the plot so it's about a mad cult instead of Nazis. I can't verify this for myself.

    5. Re:C'mon, the interesting question about the game by Zembar · · Score: 1

      Because that would be some other game and not a Wolfenstein game?

      It's not like there aren't any games where you can play as Nazi Germany. Company of Heroes springs to mind.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

    6. Re:C'mon, the interesting question about the game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the Wikipedia article (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfenstein:_The_New_Order) the Nazis will be "The Regime." All Nazi symbolism and references wil be removed. Sounds pretty bland.

  7. 50 GB?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's based on idTech5 so it most likely makes use of MegaTextures in some way, which is what made Rage so big back when that came out.

  8. Not all games need a good story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I haven't played the game yet but I find it funny that there is the criticism of the story and characters. I know these things are expected of modern games but, given the heritage of this game, I would never expect a good story but i would expect some fun shooter action. Wolfenstein comes from a time when, "Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important."

    1. Re:Not all games need a good story by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      Yeah, did you know doom had a story? Even was going to have male and female selectable player characters, with different stats.

      Quake was going to be the first FPS MMO based loosely on the dice and paper RPGs the guys liked to play. The Kill Cube would fly over Quakes head (the player character); I think that spinning cube graphic is the spawn cube the boss at the end of Doom2 uses.

      Now, You, Carmack or anyone can arbitrarily make up shit after the fact based on shit they cut from the game -- But there were gameplay features AND story on that damn chopping block, so I'm not seeing how such idiots make the distinction. Eg: to say that a lot of what made FF7 popular wasn't the story when we've got low polygon models walking around for most of it is just daft as fuck. You think Portal would be half the game it was without the story? That's Stupid, is all I can say if that's what you think.

      Romero left and the games became the same engine after another with no real grasp of what makes games fun. Romero had to beg Carmack to keep multi-player modes in Doom. Romero had to convince Carmack to not do stupid shit like send threatening letters to WAD modders -- Carmack saw us as competition, when our user maps were boosting sales as evidenced by correlation in sales spikes between our underground releases. That's the evidence Romero used to finally get Carmack to open the node builder for Doom levels AFTER we had already reverse engineered the BSP format and created a better nodebuilder ourselves.

      Yeah, Romero started Ion Storm and made a crap game called Daikatana, so what, ever played Hovertank or Catacombs - The Abyss? Ugh. Keen was far better in terms of design. However, look at what came out of Ion Storm: Deus Ex. Just because Carmack is ignorant when it comes to what players want (Multiplayer, Cars Racing in a FPS? Now THAT's Rage), and sucks at stories and game mechanics doesn't mean they can't be every bit as valuable as the engine or art. Just because Carmack can't put all the pieces together himself, doesn't mean that an engine is all you need for a good game.

      What makes a game first and foremost is the mechanics. The interplay between input and rulesets. Not all games need a story, but that doesn't mean story isn't important. Thomas Was Alone is a great example where giving the game some narrative really made it stand out -- It was demonstrably important.

      Good story in a game is like a nice sized cock in intercourse. If you've got a one, it's awesome. If you don't then you just lie to yourself and say it doesn't matter.

    2. Re:Not all games need a good story by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Having no story is fine; having a lot of bad story is not. Especially if you've been talking up how you'd humanise the lead of a franchise that frankly didn't need it.

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    3. Re:Not all games need a good story by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I haven't played the game yet but I find it funny that there is the criticism of the story and characters. I know these things are expected of modern games but, given the heritage of this game, I would never expect a good story but i would expect some fun shooter action. Wolfenstein comes from a time when, "Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important."

      I think Eurogamer were just trying to find criticism for criticism's sake.

      I fully expect the story to be cringeworthy, but I'm not buying the game for the story. I view games like Wolfenstein like action movies, a game where I can turn my brain off and enjoy it. Enough story to make the movie make sense, but not so much story that I need to bother keeping up with it.

      So I expect it to be standard action movie fare, kill the bad guys, get the prize, fade to some classic rock or 80's jazz.

      I think it's sad that I find the above formula so hard to find in modern games.

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  9. Slideshow.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I get roughly 0.1 fps in this game, granted i dont exactly have "new" hardware either ;)
    I got a Core 2 Duo 8400, 4GB Ram. and a measly NVidia 8800GT(512mb) hehe

    But still ive been able to play all the games coming out, exept for Thief and now this.
    Yes im a poor bastard that can only afford to upgrade once in a long while :(

  10. first FPS by chromaexcursion · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I may be an old fart.
    The first FPS is Wolfenstein, around 1981 on the Apple II.
    It was very good at that time.
    How times have changed, and how they haven't.

    1. Re:first FPS by antdude · · Score: 1

      Same here. Even 2D version!

      FYI, Wolf3D is in this game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... from http://www.dorkly.com/post/632... ...

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    2. Re:first FPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's Castle Wolfenstein and was not a fps (first person shooter). It was a top-down side scroller. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

    3. Re:first FPS by chromaexcursion · · Score: 1

      You're confusing the Commodore version with the Apple version.
      Admittedly, the gun always aimed. You just had to fire at the right time. And in some cases have the correct weapon

    4. Re:first FPS by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Umm, no. F in FPS is "first person", i.e. looking through the eyes of the player one is controlling.

      Wolfenstein has a mostly top down perspective.

      Wizardry is arguably a first person, turn based, D&D game.

    5. Re:first FPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a fucking idiot.

    6. Re:first FPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey Einstein, just that you know, we're talking about Wolfenstein, not Wolfenstein 3D.

    7. Re:first FPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're confusing Wolfenstein 3d with Castle Wolfenstein. Wolfenstein 3d came out in 92. The Wolfenstein for Apple II was actually called Castle Wolfenstein it came out in 81 and it wasn't FPS.

      Here is video of the Apple II not Commodore version. Still not a FPS.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  11. An easter egg based on Wolf3D! by antdude · · Score: 3, Informative
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    1. Re:An easter egg based on Wolf3D! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why have none of the videos I've watched checked for the secret elevator exit to level 10 on the right wall before you get into the normal elevator. THIS IS FRUSTRATING!

    2. Re:An easter egg based on Wolf3D! by antdude · · Score: 1

      Haha, same here. Why aren't the whole Wolf3D game in this Wolfenstein? What about Spear of Density? "Mein Leben!"

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  12. I must be getting old... by Gordo_1 · · Score: 2

    I watched the trailer. It looks like it's designed for 13 year old boys who wouldn't know a believable premise or nuance if it struck them in the head. It seems to be edited by the same Hollywood effects people that do action movies. I sense that this cacophony of fast moving images is supposed to quickly overload your brain and make you feel like what you're watching is more exciting than it is, but reality is it's just a crutch to fall back on when there's little to scrutinize beyond the special effects.

    Beyond that, it appears to be the same old regurgitated storyline (stolen from Rambo and used on practically every FPS since 1992): It's you versus an army of cliched enemies (i.e. aliens, robots, robots created by aliens, nazis or some other 'evil' country that the US fought in the 20th century). The voice acting is full of nondescript caricature-like accents. The up-close textures look like they're from some generic game circa 2005, but other effects/shadows mask it fairly well.

    Maybe there are some unique elements to the gameplay, but I'm having trouble getting excited about it. Hasn't this run-and-gun FPS genre been played out enough already? I mean, even Carmack went to go do something more useful with his time...

    1. Re:I must be getting old... by DeSigna · · Score: 2

      And I've been getting increasingly nostalgic over WW1&2 shooters (Codename Eagle, BF1942, ET, the original CoD), over the current crop of modern warfare clones. This game might be right up my alley.

      Don't have too much time to game these days, but if TF2 or PlanetSide 2 isn't hitting the spot, I might give the new Wolfenstein a try.

    2. Re:I must be getting old... by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      And I've been getting increasingly nostalgic over WW1&2 shooters (Codename Eagle, BF1942, ET, the original CoD), over the current crop of modern warfare clones. This game might be right up my alley.

      Don't have too much time to game these days, but if TF2 or PlanetSide 2 isn't hitting the spot, I might give the new Wolfenstein a try.

      Ever try Red Orchestra 2?

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    3. Re:I must be getting old... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I watched the trailer. It looks like it's designed for 13 year old boys who wouldn't know a believable premise or nuance if it struck them in the head.

      Uh, I was around 12 or 13 when Wolf for DOS came out, and I played the shit out of it. I didn't want sophisticated gameplay, RPG elements, squad based co-op, detailed and intricate story...I wanted to blast nazis and monsters with comically overpowered weapons. Shit, I still enjoy simple twitchy oldschool style FPS.

      I think 13 year olds was the demographic then, and it sounds like that's the demographic they're aiming at now.

    4. Re:I must be getting old... by spiritplumber · · Score: 1

      Good times. I felt insanely clever when I figured out how to start with 255 bullets by changing a byte in the game executable. Had people ask me for a copy, even... of course my dumb ass wouldn't charge for the trick.

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    5. Re:I must be getting old... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean, even Carmack went to go do something more useful with his time...

      Facebook's virtual store?

    6. Re:I must be getting old... by dywolf · · Score: 1

      because the storyline in Wolfenstein was shakespearean, right?

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    7. Re:I must be getting old... by Gordo_1 · · Score: 1

      No, but the original knew what it was. This one apparently wants to fool you into thinking it's something that it's not: realistic.

    8. Re:I must be getting old... by Gordo_1 · · Score: 1

      Still more useful than building yet another FPS in this day and age...

    9. Re:I must be getting old... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you Zuckerberg's AI bank account?

    10. Re:I must be getting old... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, if you haven't: Do it. Also, Day of Defeat and DOD:S are arena shooters in the same vein.
      RO:2 has a steep learning curve. A chasm wall type steep. Prepare to die a lot.

    11. Re:I must be getting old... by msim · · Score: 1

      Thanks for adding to the list of " stuff to look into".

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    12. Re:I must be getting old... by msim · · Score: 1

      I enjoyed it. Though so did my dad. I ended up getting kicked off my own pc by him when he decided he wanted to play.

        The only time he took no for an answer was when any time I was doing homework Any other time he didn't care what I was doing, he wanted to have a go.

      And to those wondering, I may have only been fourteen at the time, but I saved up and _I_ bought the computer myself. That took a bloody long time.

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  13. Castle wolfenstein was first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Back in 1981, Castle Wolfenstein by Muse software kicked off the Wolfenstein saga" -- There I fixed your error..

  14. Clean Shavin' by Scottingham · · Score: 1

    I always heard it as CLEAN SHAVIN

  15. As usual by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    The game is out for the PS3/4, Xbox 360/One, and Windows.

    First of all, thank you for saying "Windows" instead of "PC".

    Second, why is it available for old Sony and Microsoft consoles but not for Wii U, Macs or Linux?

    1. Re:As usual by jones_supa · · Score: 2

      Second, why is it available for old Sony and Microsoft consoles but not for Wii U, Macs or Linux?

      The PS3 and XB360 are bigger and more lucrative platforms.

    2. Re:As usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the Wii U is a standard def console for children?

  16. Not news for nerds; Where is the Linux build? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wake me when they release a build for Linux. With Steam you would have thought everybody would be clamoring to release a build for Linux. Particularly considering that ID software was traditionally a pretty good company in this regard. I guess when they were bought everything went to shit.

    1. Re: Not news for nerds; Where is the Linux build? by minasoko · · Score: 1

      This game has almost nothing to do with id. It's developed by Machine Games. Even with Steam being available on Linux, the terrible state of Linux GPU drivers and small audience mean porting would not be worth the time for most developers.

    2. Re: Not news for nerds; Where is the Linux build? by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Linux GPU drivers are not that terrible.

    3. Re: Not news for nerds; Where is the Linux build? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're not terrible at all actually. The proprietary NVidia drivers have near parity with their Windows equivalents, and if you're going to game on Linux, you'd be insane to use anything else. That's why the Steam Machine protos all use NVidia cards.

    4. Re: Not news for nerds; Where is the Linux build? by jones_supa · · Score: 2

      Umm...that would actually suggest that the GPU support is terrible, if it would be "insane" to use other chips than Nvidia.

    5. Re: Not news for nerds; Where is the Linux build? by Roxoff · · Score: 1

      And I play Steam games using AMD chip, I have an A8 with integrated graphics, and it does Left4Dead2 really well... I don't even use proprietary drivers, just the core ones that come with Fedora. I really don't know what the fuss is about. Crap drivers? My arse.

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    6. Re: Not news for nerds; Where is the Linux build? by minasoko · · Score: 1

      You only don't know what the fuss is about because you've not tried to develop a game for the platform. There was even a post about it on /. last week.

    7. Re: Not news for nerds; Where is the Linux build? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to agree. The crashes are hilariously random at times though.

  17. Game of the year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've never gotten the point of tacking on multiplayer. If you want that it's better to buy games with large communities and a strong focus on MP. Similarly the CoD games have tacked on single player that is so bad it's painful to play. Utter tosh and a waste of effort for the devs.

    I'm having a great time with the Wolfenstein TNO. The A.I. could be better, but on the upside there's no re-spawning enemies or monster closets. More importantly the game is never boring. There's no hub world or driving sections, or for that matter long walks (like in FarCry Blood Dragon). It's all pure game, just the way I liked things.

    It also manages to spice up the action so that it does not feel repetitive. The level design is creative, and there's always something new around the corner. I've only played for 4 hours, but that has been four hours of constant fun. I've heard the game goes of track towards the end, but four hours of unpadded fun is a rare treat so I feel I got my moneys worth already.

    So definitely the best new game I've played this year and might just be my game of the year (though partly due to lack of competition).

  18. Germans not Nazis by Jacek+Poplawski · · Score: 1

    WW2 was started by Germans, not by Nazis from space.

    1. Re:Germans not Nazis by mjwx · · Score: 1

      WW2 was started by Germans, not by Nazis from space.

      FYI, the formal declaration of war was issued by the British, by Neville "I have a piece of paper" Chamberlain's government no less.

      Historically, the declaration by the British on the 3rd of September 1939 was considered the start of WW2.

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    2. Re:Germans not Nazis by Xest · · Score: 1

      Nonsense, the German invasion of Poland is widely recognised as the start of the war because you don't require a declaration to start a war - an act of war is enough, and the Germans very clearly committed one by invading Poland.

      The British declaration of war came two days after that along with the same by the French, by New Zealand, and by Australia. Pretending the British somehow started it shows an inherent bias as by the metric of formal declaration of war you might as well just argue the French started it if your metric is a formal declaration.

  19. Insignias by Marquis231 · · Score: 2

    Personally I'm just annoyed that as far as I can tell there are no swastikas or historically accurate insignia's in this game. For me, every time I see that emblem they've opted to use instead it will destroy my immersion. After all, I'm meant to be fighting Nazis.

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  21. Last Windows OpenGL game? by edxwelch · · Score: 1

    So, this could be the last AAA OpenGL game for Windows, given that id Software is in it's death spiral (http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-id-Software-RVW4012058.htm)

  22. Wolfenstein: The New Order by Roxoff · · Score: 1

    It's only the first part of a trilogy guys. The next instalment will be Wolfenstein: Joy Division, followed by Wolfenstein: The Smiths.

    They've signed Morrisey up already!

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  23. Seriously... 50GB!!?? by HagraBiscuit · · Score: 1

    Whaaa thaaa.... ffuuuu..?
    That's some tight, tight code going on there. Or not.

  24. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If games start to be 50 Gig+ I'm going to start buying disc versions again. 50 Gig is somewhere around a day of downloading or more, and it would mean not being able to watch anything online, or play a multiplier game during that time. And no way would I get the game for xbox/ps4 when HD space is limted. Guess you would spend another $100 or more and get a decent size HD in it.

  25. Re:nike air max 90 homme - Saumur agglo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't Jordan just kill his wife? Also, what the fuck are you on?