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Microsoft Announces Windows 8.1 With Bing To Sell Cheaper Devices

An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft today confirmed the rumors of a new edition of its latest operating system by unveiling Windows 8.1 with Bing. The company says the main purpose of the new SKU is to allow its hardware partners to sell lower-cost Windows devices; the first ones with the new edition will be announced next month at Computex in Tapei. Windows 8.1 with Bing is exactly like Windows 8.1 with the recently released Windows 8.1 Update, with one major difference: Bing is set as the default search engine in Internet Explorer. Users can still change that option in IE's search engine settings, but OEMs do not have that luxury."

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  1. So.... by CTU · · Score: 3, Insightful

    install the browser of choice and this only means you got a copy of 8.1 that was a bit cheaper without any real difference? Gotcha, besides not like the majority of computer users are still using IE so in truth this would only matter to the small perce=nt of users who both don't download a different browser or know/care to change the default search engine.

    1. Re:So.... by symbolset · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or install Linux, now without the Microsoft tax.

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    2. Re:So.... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      so in truth this would only matter to the small perce=nt of users

      NT users? How many of those are left?

    3. Re:So.... by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      Depends on how you look at it, but last I checked the NT kernel had the absolute largest number of users on home and business desktops compared to any other operating system kernel out there...

      Of course, if you add routers, phones and numerous other specialized systems into the mix, then Linux spanks the shit out of it.

    4. Re:So.... by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      Two words: Alternative Firmware.

      Beats the hell out of the stock junk that companies put on their hardware.

      I think you're somehow blaming hardware companies' incompetence with software on Linux itself, which makes no fucking sense whatsoever.

    5. Re:So.... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Those still w/ MIPS & Alpha boxes?

    6. Re:So.... by nhat11 · · Score: 1

      @symbolset It's been tried in the past before....

  2. Excellent by BilI_the_Engineer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Google just cannot compare to Bing. I'm a rabid, frothing Binger for one reason: There is nothing that Bing cannot find! Bing found a cure for my uncle's cancer. Bing found the answer to all well-known unsolved math problems. Wherever you go, people prefer Bing over Google.

    Don't believe me? Bing it on, you insignificant insect! Luddites such as you are unwelcome in the 21st century!

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    1. Re:Excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >Bing found the answer to all well-known unsolved math problems.

      It's true! Bing one solved the P = NP problem for me. It said let N = 1, or P = 0.

    2. Re:Excellent by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Ding! Bing! Fling! String!
      We have a winner!

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    3. Re:Excellent by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Stop making fun of Asian names. That's so Sterling.

    4. Re:Excellent by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Google just cannot compare to Bing. I'm a rabid, frothing Binger for one reason: There is nothing that Bing cannot find! Bing found a cure for my uncle's cancer. Bing found the answer to all well-known unsolved math problems. Wherever you go, people prefer Bing over Google.

      Don't believe me? Bing it on, you insignificant insect! Luddites such as you are unwelcome in the 21st century!

      Sounds like a perfect companion to MyCleanPC

  3. Waiter! by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    Waiter! Can I get this without the bing?

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    1. Re:Waiter! by rubycodez · · Score: 5, Funny

      well, there's bing, IE 11, widows 8.1 and bing, that's not got much bing in it

    2. Re:Waiter! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Egg and bacon
      Egg, sausage and bacon
      Egg and Bing
      Egg, bacon and Bing
      Egg, bacon, sausage and Bing
      Bing, bacon, sausage and Bing
      Bing, egg, Bing, Bing, bacon and Bing
      Bing, Bing, Bing, egg and Bing
      Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, baked beans, Bing, Bing, Bing and Bing
      Lobster Thermidor aux crevettes with a Mornay sauce, garnished with truffle pâté, brandy and a fried egg on top, and Bing.

    3. Re:Waiter! by TWX · · Score: 1

      I DON'T LIKE bing!

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    4. Re:Waiter! by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      And get the machine that goes "Bing"!

  4. You know what I want? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    I want a "Windows Gaming Edition".

    Why is Windows so expensive? I'm trying to build a low-cost gaming PC (Celeron G1840, GT 640, etc) and the cost of the Windows license is greater than the CPU and the motherboard combined!

    1. Re:You know what I want? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      To elaborate, I don't need things like a text editor, printer/scanner/digital camera/tape backup/etc drivers, minesweeper and who knows what else comes with Windows these days.

      Also, why is there no lower-cost upgrade path for Windows XP users? "Got a Windows XP license? Here's Windows 8.1 for 50% off" or something.

    2. Re:You know what I want? by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      Have you tried installing Microsoft Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 (which is FREE), and then back in to it? It doesn't come with anything except powershell, task manager and a set of network drivers and features like NIC teaming, Storage Spaces, etc. and of course the Hyper V role installed.
       
      As an exercise in futility I managed to get bbLean installed (explorer.exe shell, since the OS doesn't come with one), which allowed me to get Google Chrome and Steam installed, before I ran out of interest trying to get DirectX installed.
       
      I think if you installed Cygwin you could get DirectX installed properly, or maybe just follow one of those "Gaming on Windows Server 2012 R2" guides. It's possible, but the artificial divide between server and desktop "class" drivers makes things more difficult.

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    3. Re:You know what I want? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      steam!

    4. Re:You know what I want? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I don't know. I'm running KVM on Debian 7 with DRBD replicating all my guests to a backup VM host server. When I looked at Hyper-V, I found out that to replicate my set up would cost me roughly $10,000, and that's before I even buy the actual physical servers.

      If I'm going to be using the CLI to manage virtual machines, I stick with libvirt's toolset.

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    5. Re:You know what I want? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Based on his handle and choice of Celeron CPU, I am guessing he is more interested in running MAME than modern AAA games.

    6. Re:You know what I want? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      You don't need to install patches every time you install Windows. You can apply them to the installation files.

    7. Re:You know what I want? by 0123456 · · Score: 2

      Also, why is there no lower-cost upgrade path for Windows XP users? "Got a Windows XP license? Here's Windows 8.1 for 50% off" or something.

      Many Windows XP users are still using it because the alternative is Window 8.

    8. Re:You know what I want? by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      Others, because it still works and they have no reason to waste money on a new machine. I know at least two such people. Me? I have WinXP Pro in a Xen DomU, just in case I need something windowsy. It's always on, and I connect to it using RDP over an SSH tunnel. Sure, I rarely use it, but it's there should I need it and it's a better solution than having a XP VM on each of my Linux machines.

      At work I have a Win7 VM in VirtualBox, it is horribly, horribly slow. The XP VM on the same VirtualBox host, is snappy and quick.

      XP might be dead, but it's makes a rather well preserved zombie.

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    9. Re:You know what I want? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      I guess you're right.

      Playstation 4 it is.

    10. Re:You know what I want? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      There's no Final Fantasy XIV on Steam.

    11. Re:You know what I want? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      newegg.ca

      45.00$CAD for the Intel Celeron G1840 (Haswell 2.8GHz) (its regular price is 55$CAD but it has a 10$CAD instant rebate right now)
      55.00$CAD for the MSI H81M-P33 Motherboard (its regular price is 65$CAD but it also has a 10$CAD instant rebate right now)

      110.00$CAD for Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-bit - OEM

      And I could get something for a lot less using AMD parts while still keeping away from a Sempron.

    12. Re:You know what I want? by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      bblean is a full explorer replacement, classic shell is an extension/skin of explorer

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  5. Bing == FAIL! by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I tried the "Bing it On" website when it was being heavily advertised on TV. Guess what: the Bing results failed to load (server problems). Utter failure.

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  6. Can you upgrade by rossdee · · Score: 3, Informative

    Can you upgrade it (for free) to Win 7 and Seamonkey?

    You'd have to pay me a lot to use Win 8.x

  7. Customers will decide the Surface Fate by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    Hint: In 2 years I have yet to see a Surface "in the wild" nor has ANYONE asked about a Surface.

    1. Re:Customers will decide the Surface Fate by edremy · · Score: 1, Troll

      Flip side: our department has bought a bunch and will be buying more in the future. For developing online learning materials, a Surface + Camtasia simply blows away everything else out there- a full PC capable of running all Windows software + every bizarre web thing out there, with a high resolution pen and OneNote. You can even edit the resulting video directly on the machine.

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    2. Re:Customers will decide the Surface Fate by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Hint: in 2 years I have yet to see Linux "in the wild" nor has ANYONE asked about Linux.

      I can see about eight Linux machines from my sofa at home, and most of them aren't PCs of any kind.

    3. Re:Customers will decide the Surface Fate by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Is a Surface a lot like the British half-penny, where the users didn't want to part with them because they were useful for leveling furniture?

    4. Re:Customers will decide the Surface Fate by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      Did you know a British 2 pence piece weighs 1/4 of an ounce a penny an 1/8th and the half pence coin a 16th of an ounce?

      Wieghing coins is probably still quicker than counting them but those 3 coins were especially useful :)

       

  8. Wait a second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Isn't this essentially MS admitting that Bing is a search Engine you should have to be compensated for using?

  9. Antitrust by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sounds like their fishing for another round of EU antitrust proceedings.

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    1. Re:Antitrust by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 3, Informative

      Err. in case the Nazis show up... "they're".

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    2. Re:Antitrust by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression that this was part of the way they intended to compete with android. free os for small arm devices with bing as the default search and an app store.

      http://thenextweb.com/microsof...

    3. Re:Antitrust by 4wdloop · · Score: 1

      The M$ IoT cannot have storage nor local apps as they MUST make you use the $Cloud (for their business model to work)? IoT is for fridge, picture frame, thermostat kind-of stuff...

      These here are likely intended for 9" tabletoids of sort, I think, now that Surface Pro is for Pros and Business and no hear about non-Pro versions....so it's more a replacement for Windows RT (an ARM Windows so to speak)?

      But how they can still go through with this legally I do not understand...pretty sure they spend lots of $$ on lawyers already so they have legs to stand on....

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    4. Re:Antitrust by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 2

      Sounds like their fishing for another round of EU antitrust proceedings.

      Would that be before or after Google and it's legion of allies get roasted by the EU antitrust authority for making Google the default search engine on Android devices?

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    5. Re:Antitrust by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      Does Google require that they're the default search engine on Android devices? I thought at one point Verizon was selling android devices with Bing as the default search engine. Google Play access has some strings attached, but I think an OEM can still change the launcher, etc. How about the defaults? I think Amazon and Nokia don't get Google Play because they don't want their devices to be able to run Google services - not because they simply refuse to make them the default.

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    6. Re:Antitrust by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 1

      Does Google require that they're the default search engine on Android devices? I thought at one point Verizon was selling android devices with Bing as the default search engine. Google Play access has some strings attached, but I think an OEM can still change the launcher, etc. How about the defaults? I think Amazon and Nokia don't get Google Play because they don't want their devices to be able to run Google services - not because they simply refuse to make them the default.

      I don't know does it require that? I don't really give a crap whether one can dig through a forest of configuration menus to change the default search engine on Android. I'm also pretty sure OEMs that choose to piss google off by making the Bing or Yahoo search engines default thus enabling the enemy to siphon off your personal data (and which rightfully belongs to Google) are few and far between. The EU competition authority didn't give a rats ass that you could install alternate browsers on Windows and force Microsoft to implement that choice screen. Does Google provide a choice screen when you set up Android asking the user to choose his favorite search engine like Microsoft was forced to do with it's browsers? I don't remember seeing one the last few times I set up Samsung Galaxy tablets and smartphones for my family. If Google does not offer that choice they are open to attack just like Microsoft was with the browser issue and will be if it requires Bing to be default. It's basically the same conflict of interest.

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  10. Paid to Bing by dhalsim2 · · Score: 1

    I know that there will be a lot of negative comments here about Bing, but when Microsoft started paying people to use Bing, I switched. The web results seem to be just as good as Google. I can't tell the difference. The image results seem to be slightly behind, but for the ~$8/month I make, I don't mind at all. :)

    1. Re:Paid to Bing by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      All I get is "This feature isn't available yet in your country or region"

  11. Bing is good for rewards & zeitgeist by nomad63 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I religiously visit bing for about 5 minutes daily, to get my points and see which celebrity is diddling which one or who had a fight with whom. Other than that, it might not as well exist. I am still unable to find something that can replace google. Tried duckduckgo but tomorrow, I am going back to google. Results are abysmal at best.

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    1. Re:Bing is good for rewards & zeitgeist by hduff · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you can write a script that will do that for you and possibly make some random clicks.

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  12. Sounds like anti-trust again by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    Let me guess, this edition is not available in the EU where Microsoft got in trouble for bundling IE with Windows XP.

    1. Re:Sounds like anti-trust again by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      It's being shown in Taiwan, which maybe has no anti-trust rules over such. Being MS's ho for a year or so can bring in some cash.

  13. BING in headlnes is DEAD by gavron · · Score: 1

    Someone please forward the memo to microsoft. They can stop referencing BING as if it's a thing.
    It's a DEAD thing.

    [click here to have Bing translate this thing lol]

  14. Binged ... by hduff · · Score: 1

    ... in the butt.

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  15. It wasn't already?! by mattack2 · · Score: 2

    Bing wasn't their default search engine already?

    (I guess even they like google better!!)

  16. YY-CHR failed by tepples · · Score: 1

    I tried running YY-CHR in Mono, and YY-CHR crashed with a traceback because it couldn't load a file from a path with a hardcoded backslash as a path separator. To replace Windows, it needs to run even poorly coded Windows applications at least as well as Windows does.

  17. Bing = site for searching for Firefox by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just as Internet Explorer is "program for downloading Firefox", Bing is "web site for searching for Firefox". Use Bing in IE once to find Firefox. Then you can install Firefox without the Bing.

    Or s/Firefox/Chrome/g in the above if that's your cup of tea. Personally, I'll have the egg, sausage, and bacon with a Diet Mtn Dew.

    1. Re:Bing = site for searching for Firefox by sl149q · · Score: 1

      Download chrome
      Download classic shell
      Download cygwin

      And you now have a really nice windows system. I prefer it to Windows 7!

      Very occasionally I stumble across some weird "tile" like things but one of them is labelled Desktop and that restores things to normal quickly :-)

    2. Re:Bing = site for searching for Firefox by Divlje+Jagode · · Score: 1
      Don't even do this mate!

      Your IE is vulnerable to any malware that will pop-up through an ad, so keep your interaction with IE to a minimum.

      • Open explorer (Win-E). Type www.ninite.com (ninite singular, not ninites, that's a fake site last I checked).
      • Important, as soon as IE comes-up, you will need to kill the second tab before any advert loads.
      • Select Chrome/Firefox/Security essentials and whatever else you might need

      Or if you really can't remember the website's name (happens with old age), just type www.ie7.com in explorer. Trust me on that one :-)

    3. Re:Bing = site for searching for Firefox by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Firefox can be downloaded with FTP. No IE required.

    4. Re:Bing = site for searching for Firefox by tepples · · Score: 1

      Firefox can be downloaded with FTP.

      From which host? I thought releases.mozilla.org was HTTP- and HTTPS-only because Mozilla's CDN doesn't support anonymous FTP, and ftp.mozilla.org didn't let anonymous visitors download the high-traffic main releases. (Source: MOTD of each FTP server)

    5. Re:Bing = site for searching for Firefox by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      My information may be out of date. I have definitely done it once or twice in the past though.

    6. Re:Bing = site for searching for Firefox by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Just got from ftp.mozilla.org. Username: ftp, password: email address (anything with an @ in it often works)

    7. Re:Bing = site for searching for Firefox by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Oh, ISWYM. Hmm. Just get an older release and update. If your aim is to sidestep IE, that should be close enough.

  18. Yes. Just put on Classic Shell. by tepples · · Score: 1

    Classic Shell gets you 90% of the way to Windows 7, and nothing in the summary says the user can't install a third-party web browser.

    1. Re:Yes. Just put on Classic Shell. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Time to reintroduce the "ballot box" option that Microsoft had to do with regards to browser choices (only in Europe)?

  19. I'll name some names by tepples · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Do iTunes for Windows and Titanfall for Windows work perfectly on Linux yet?

    1. Re:I'll name some names by kthreadd · · Score: 5, Funny

      Do they work perfectly under Windows?

    2. Re:I'll name some names by symbolset · · Score: 1

      iTunes doesn't work perfectly on OS-X.

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  20. Microsoft To Sell Cheaper Devices by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    Microsoft To Sell Cheaper Devices. Sounds like HTC Samsung tactics.

  21. Re:So who uses IE? by 4wdloop · · Score: 1

    So interestingly, would they allow OEMs to bundle another browser with this?

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  22. All Bing queries by Grey+Geezer · · Score: 1

    are directed to Chuck Norris.

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  23. Can't market their way out of a wet paper bag by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

    "Bing, the discount search engine!"

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  24. Re:Whats changed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Maxthon, Incognito and UC browser are all in the store.

  25. A smart move by mimino · · Score: 1

    This is indeed a smart move to seed Bing. In fact, Bing is getting better and better all the time and is a comparable search engine to Google, still catching up but with a solid tech behind. Guess what? The more people use Bing, the more data its algorithms have to operate with in order to make itself better. So seeding the search engine is very important, considering that MS has all set of competing services comparing to Google.

    Now what this change actually does? It defines what search engine is used for people who access Internet by typing web site addresses in the Google search bar. Also for those who don't bother switching away from the IE. And for those who will see that Bing is suddenly getting better.

    Google should be worried. And I'm sure they are.

  26. They are paying you for it by tepples · · Score: 1

    They are paying you for it by allowing the OEM to knock a few dollars off the selling price of a computer.