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Curved TVs Nothing But a Gimmick

Lucas123 (935744) writes "Currently, the hottest trend from TV manufacturers is to offer curved panels, but analysts say it's nothing more than a ploy to pander to consumers who want the latest, coolest-looking tech in their home. In the end, the TVs don't offer better picture quality. In fact, they offer a degraded view to anyone sitting off center. Samsung and LG claim that the curve provides a cinema-like experience by offering a more balanced and uniform view so that the edges of the set don't appear further away than the middle. Paul Gray, director of European TV Research for DisplaySearch, said those claims are nothing by pseudo-science. "Curved screens are a gimmick, much along the same lines as 3D TVs are," said Paul O'Donovan, Gartner's principal analyst for consumer electronics research."

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  1. No Way! by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Funny

    Curved TV's aren't better? I can't believe it!

    1. Re:No Way! by icebike · · Score: 4, Informative

      Curved TV's aren't better? I can't believe it!

      The odd bit is at the end of TFS where they say that curved TVs are a gimmick like 3D TVs. There is a big difference, 3D TVs actually give an appearance of 3D when viewing 3D content, (all the brain-and-eye confusing tricks and deception notwithstanding). Every reasonably normal sighted person can see the 3D effect, most just don't think its worth the price (or the headaches).

      Curved TVs on the other hand provide a picture that is indistinguishable from normal flat screens, EVEN when you see them side by side in the store.

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    2. Re:No Way! by rujasu · · Score: 5, Funny

      But curved TV's give the appearance of a TV that will produce a better picture. That's something, right?

    3. Re:No Way! by OakDragon · · Score: 2

      Right - the 3D isn't a "gimmick" as is commonly understood by the term. I don't like 3D TV, but it's not a fair comparison.

      Now, fad maybe...

    4. Re:No Way! by Bengie · · Score: 4, Funny

      You just don't appreciate 4k because you don't watch TV up close with a magnifying lens.

    5. Re:No Way! by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I call it a gimmick, it's not 3D since I can't move with perspective changes. A hologram would be 3D. Pretending you're looking at a 3D image isn't 3D.

      Sadly I seem to be in the minority in that opinion.

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    6. Re:No Way! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      3D is a gimmick. It's always been a gimmick. Always will be a gimmick.

    7. Re:No Way! by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      I don't own a curved TV, nor am I interested in defending the concept, but one thing I do notice with flat TVs is that even matte displays are prone to reflecting at least some fixed outside light source to the viewer. I can't help but wonder if a curved screen would reduce this.

      I have a window that reflects off of a matte display and is annoyingly visible on the screen during the day. The only way to get rid of it is to either put a heavy blanket over it or to turn the tv in a very uncomfortable angle.

    8. Re:No Way! by sjames · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wouldn't say that. Like 3D, nobody is really going to get any value for their money out of a curved TV. Like 3D, it's a desperate grasping for some way to get people to buy a new TV before the old one dies.

      Color TV actually upgraded the viewing experience significantly for a lot of people.

      Since 3d has come and gone as a fad multiple times, gimmick is a pretty good word for it.

    9. Re:No Way! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      TV is a gimmick. It's always been a gimmick. Always will be a gimmick.

    10. Re:No Way! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you have a glossy flat TV, then there will be one particular angle where light hitting will reflect right at you and annoy the crap out of you. For a curved TV, there the light will reflect off different parts of the screen for a wider range of angles, thus annoying you even more.

    11. Re:No Way! by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 2

      4k is sure a gimmick.

      UHDTV is coming, and these current 4k TVs will not be compatible. For a start, the resolution will be UHDTV1 2160p (just under 4k) and UHDTV2 4320p (that's almost 8k!), rec.2020, 100fps and 120fps, plus much more. Plus DRM issues.

      Testing in the UK for UHDTV1 is 2016, 2020 for UHDTV2 which the Olympic Games in Japan will be shot at.

    12. Re:No Way! by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2

      It's a reasonably popular gimmick. The local theater is showing four films in 3D-- X-Men, Spiderman 2, Godzilla and Maleficent, as well as seven 2D only titles . A few months down the road, if you want to replicate the experience of seeing any of those four films at home, a 3D TV would be useful.

    13. Re: No Way! by banda · · Score: 2

      Stereo audio recordings, gimmick. When I move around the room, the soundscape doesn't change. When will consumers stop falling for this crap?

    14. Re:No Way! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't care much about 4K tvs, but I'm excited for the prospect of a large 4K monitor on my desktop.

    15. Re:No Way! by Richy_T · · Score: 3, Funny

      As a cheaper alternative, just poke yourself in the eyes with chopsticks.

    16. Re:No Way! by evilviper · · Score: 3, Funny

      A few months down the road, if you want to replicate the experience of seeing any of those four films at home, a 3D TV would be useful.

      You mean I can have the same nausea at home that I have at the theatre? WHERE DO I SIGN UP???

      And do you have any suggestions for replicating the sticky floors and people walking up and down the isles during the film?

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    17. Re:No Way! by Richy_T · · Score: 4, Funny

      You should try coloring the on/off button with a green marker. It'll knock your socks off.

    18. Re:No Way! by Richy_T · · Score: 2

      Thunderbirds never looked better.

    19. Re:No Way! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      As a cheaper alternative, just poke yourself in the eyes with chopsticks.

      Thanks a lot asshole!!! I followed your advice and now I can't see anything.

    20. Re:No Way! by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Funny

      You just made me want to post my huge old CRT on craigslist as a "featuring revolutionary outward curve technology that minimizes reflections compared to either flat panels or inward curved screens."

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    21. Re:No Way! by deek · · Score: 2

      Actually, gaming on a 3D TV is quite fun. Batman Arkham City was amazing in 3D. All the gliding and swooping is incredibly fun with the better depth perspective. It's a help with racing games, where it aids judgement of braking distance to the corner.

      So, yes, 3D TV is mildly gimmicky, but it can also quite useful as well. Don't discount it entirely.

    22. Re:No Way! by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just wait until 4k porn comes out. For anyone who's ever wanted to become a qualified gynecologist from the comfort of his own couch ...

    23. Re:No Way! by coofercat · · Score: 2

      Only if use use a Monster cable between your cable box and your TV. For those watching satellite, you'll only get the benefit on clear days, because as everyone knows, clouds obscure the sky and so degrade the signal. Getting a specially woven satellite dish can help - talk to your local representative for your options.

  2. Cinema-like by rujasu · · Score: 5, Funny

    Samsung and LG claim that the curve provides a cinema-like experience by offering a more balanced and uniform view so that the edges of the set don't appear further away than the middle...

    Reality: the curved TVs provide a cinema-like experience by charging roughly four times what a reasonable person would pay.

    1. Re:Cinema-like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      And if people really want that cinema experience I'd be happy to accept even a minor fee of $500 to come in and talk loudly during the movie, make noises with my phone and spill coke on their couch.

    2. Re:Cinema-like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Sounds familiar. Companies saying that the user experience is better when it really isn't and that you should buy it because of that?

      It worked for one company, why not others?

    3. Re:Cinema-like by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 2

      you don't have kids obviously ;-)

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    4. Re:Cinema-like by sunderland56 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Samsung and LG claim that the curve provides a cinema-like experience

      Then why are the screens in a real-life cinema flat?

      The answer, of course is that the camera (either film or digital) uses a flat sensor. Taking a picture with a flat sensor, and then displaying it on a curved screen, is just distorting the image. So the consumer thinks they're cool - but in reality they are watching an inferior picture.

    5. Re:Cinema-like by sunderland56 · · Score: 3, Funny

      makes your floor sticky from years of dumped soda.

      At least, you hope that's soda.....

  3. Why not 90 degree angle TVs? by ottawanker · · Score: 5, Funny

    That way they'd fit into the corner.

  4. The Real Motivation Behind Curved TVs by organgtool · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Samsung and LG want curved TVs to become all the rage because the only way to currently make them are using OLEDs and they own many of the patents for OLED screens. With that said, the Samsung OLED television got a glowing review from Consumer Reports - basically the only downside to the TV was the cost which is sure to come down in the future.

    1. Re:The Real Motivation Behind Curved TVs by timeOday · · Score: 2

      OLED doesn't really need curves to promote it though, the superior display quality and power efficiency will sell OLED once it is cheap and durable enough.

  5. PROGRESS! by WoodenTable · · Score: 5, Funny

    From convex, to flat, to concave TVs, all in the last 50 years! Progress is a sweet thing, my friends.

    You know what? I predict that, by 2050, we will all be using donut-shaped screens, to better utilize our ear-vision for maximum possible immersion.

  6. Re:Mostly but not _totally_ gimmick? by myoparo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Per the internets, the curving is done in movie theatres to help avoid the pincushion effect from the projector. Since we are talking about TVs and not projectors, the pincushion effect is irrelevant.

    Curved television displays aren't "largely" a gimmick-- they're just a gimmick.

  7. Marketing idiocy by sjames · · Score: 2

    First, I sit about 9 feet from the TV, not 16.5, so the curvature will be wrong anyway. Second, the price difference is already more than I am willing to pay for the whole TV.

    As TFA points out, only one person in the room would get an optimal view anyway.

    Finally, if the whole problem is just a bit of geometric distortion, couldn't it be mostly fixed by performing the opposite transform on the image before displaying? That would allow you to optimize for your actual viewing position and come up with a happy average for everyone in the room, or turn it off.

    I'm guessing they'll avoid my suggestion like the plague since it doesn't make the TV look expensive enough.

  8. Re:Who watches TV anymore by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

    So you don't watch any movies or shows of any kind? 30 years ago "TV" meant "broadcast TV", now TV means "content played over a TV" which includes how many people watch streaming, DVDs, console games, media players, and a variety of other things. I'm unclear whether you watch nothing on an HDMI monitor, or are just using an obsolete definition of "TV".

  9. For a computer Monitor by wisnoskij · · Score: 2

    This is actually a good idea for a computer monitor for one person. Any reasonable two monitor setup is going to be at some angle instead of completely flat anyway, it seems to me that a monitor with a large curve that you sit 1-3 feet from would be a pretty sweet idea (in particular make it so that you can fit multiple together). You might even be able to make a monitor that is adjustable (the screen is made of gel).

    Also I bet it is pretty much just as easy to built a curved one as a flat one, so there is no reason to expect a big price increase.

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  10. Re:Who watches TV anymore by David_Hart · · Score: 2

    Who watches TV anymore, let alone with friends, that is just some cruel torture

    Says someone who isn't a hockey, or sports, fan with the Stanley Cup playoffs in progress...

    This past weekend my Brother-in-law, nephews, and myself watched a bad Canadian Zombie movie. We were having a ton of fun making up our own Riff track. Granted, it's not exactly "watching TV" when you are actively participating.

    I agree with you that watching TV tends to be a solitary experience unless it is a special sporting or broadcast event.

    That being said, a majority of the population still watch TV. I know that a good percentage of people on Slashdot have cut the cord, but people who have done so are still the outliers.

  11. Only Relevant to Projection by jIyajbe · · Score: 4, Informative

    In a movie theater, which uses projection, the curved screen is to alleviate the pincushion effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pincushion_distortion) created by the anamorphic lens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anamorphic_lens) that the theater uses. This is utterly irrelevant to the image created by a monitor TV.

    In short, yes; pure marketing BS.

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  12. Re:Mostly but not _totally_ gimmick? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

    I mean, in theory, don't you essentially want a spherical screen completely surrounding you in the center?

    I suppose in some respects that would be an immersive viewing experience.... but only for one person, and only if the content were filmed for that perspective.

  13. Good idea, wrong market. by pla · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A few months ago I started using a 4k panel as my primary monitor. Wonderful, I absolutely love it, with one* slight annoyance - At a distance of 2ish feet (rather than TV-viewing distances of 10+ feet), the edges have enough of an angle that the foreshortening becomes distractingly noticeable.

    If we could get a decently priced panel (c'mon, Big Names, Seiki has proven you can do it, quit trying to get $2500 for the same thing they list for $499!) with a slight curve to it, it would significantly improve the experience when used as a monitor. For TV, maybe not so much; but monitors, yes.

    * Well, no, the biggest problem comes from the fact that in 2014, Windows still can't sanely handle displays over 96dpi. But I can't blame the display itself for that.

  14. Wrong idea by StripedCow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We don't want curved, we don't want 3d.
    We want High Dynamic Range (!)

    Looking at a TV is still nowhere near looking out of the window.

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    1. Re:Wrong idea by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      We want High Dynamic Range (!)

      Also wider colour gamuts, please.

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    2. Re:Wrong idea by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      All the curved TVs on the market are OLED. They have a jaw-dropping dynamic range.

      So actually aside from the shape of the panel these TVs are exactly what you want.

    3. Re:Wrong idea by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Why not both?

      All the curved displays on the market by Samsung and LG are OLED panels. Widest gamut technology available to the point where it needs to be crippled in software due to the content not being stored in a format with a wide enough gamut.

      Oh and dynamic range to spare.

      Go check one out one day. I can't wait for these to drop in price.

  15. "Cinema like" is the biggest joke. by harvestsun · · Score: 5, Informative
    Cinema screens are curved because cinema projectors use an anamorphic lens, and the curved screen is necessary to cancel that distortion out.

    TV screens are not being projected on with an anamorphic lens. There is equal spacing between each pixel on a TV. So making a TV screen curved simply ADDS the distortion that curved cinema screens are designed to prevent.

    This is the worst part though:

    The slight curvature also reduces visual geometric distortion. When you watch a perfectly flat TV screen, Soneira explained, the corners of the screen are farther away than the center so they appear smaller. "As a result, the eye doesn't see the screen as a perfect rectangle - it actually sees dual elongated trapezoids, which is keystone geometric distortion," Soneira wrote.

    WHAT? The screen is a rectangle, so our eye sees it as a rectangle, just as it would any other rectangular object! The visual cortex of our brain makes sure of that. How can someone who works with TVs not understand basic concepts of human vision?

    1. Re:"Cinema like" is the biggest joke. by taustin · · Score: 2

      They eyes don't see it as a rectangle. But we don't with our eyes, we see with our brains.

      In a theater, the screen covers a much larger percentage of your field of vision, and the difference in distance to the center vs the edges can easily be several feet if the screen is flat. This is enough to be noticeable. In the living room, the difference will be millimeters, and you'd need a ruler to detect it.

      As has been noted, this is snake oil intended to generate patent revenue.

    2. Re:"Cinema like" is the biggest joke. by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      You're looking it from the wrong angle (so to speak). People who sell TVs have a very good understanding of the human wallet. Marketing trumps science.

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    3. Re:"Cinema like" is the biggest joke. by Suddenly_Dead · · Score: 2

      Eyes don't perceive anything, the brain does. Brains do a surprisingly good job of neutralizing distortion effects like this.

  16. Re:Farther by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 2

    Lucas123 wrote the summary. Also http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/further

  17. Re:not enough innovation by k6mfw · · Score: 2

    I rather they put innovation into compelling stories and documentaries for stuff to be shown on TVs. With good programs I could care less what kind of TV I'm looking at.

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  18. Re:Mostly but not _totally_ gimmick? by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

    If curved surfaces were optimal for viewing content, we would have transitioned to curved paintings and photos centuries or decades ago. But, it turns out, we're replicating a 3D space on a 2D surface. Whether than 2D is flat or curved makes little practical difference to the observer, but makes the manufacture and mounting of said piece a great deal less efficient,

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