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NSA Collecting Millions of Faces From Web Images

Advocatus Diaboli (1627651) writes "The National Security Agency is harvesting huge numbers of images of people from communications that it intercepts through its global surveillance operations for use in sophisticated facial recognition programs, according to top-secret documents. The spy agency's reliance on facial recognition technology has grown significantly over the last four years as the agency has turned to new software to exploit the flood of images included in emails, text messages, social media, videoconferences and other communications, the N.S.A. documents reveal. Agency officials believe that technological advances could revolutionize the way that the N.S.A. finds intelligence targets around the world, the documents show. The agency's ambitions for this highly sensitive ability and the scale of its effort have not previously been disclosed."

136 comments

  1. Porn database! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great, now someone can finally put together a comprehensive porn database! Also, first :)

    1. Re:Porn database! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ah, so that's why they're developing technology to recognize facials?

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    2. Re:Porn database! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Now that's what I call a sticky situation.

    3. Re:Porn database! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Well, that sucks.

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    4. Re:Porn database! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well everyone saw that one coming!

  2. Re:failure of scope... by olsmeister · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oddly enough, they often do.

  3. Re:failure of scope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As opposed to what you see in movies most "terrorist" aren't some kind of drones that only lives for one thing.
    Many times they are just what your military would be like if they didn't have resources and what your soldiers would be like if they didn't have any options.

  4. Why wouldn't they? Everybody knows that what... by EzInKy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ....you put online stays online. Forever!!

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  5. 1984+100=2084 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think George Orwell's classic 1984 needs an update... Any bids from the rest of you /. reading cellar dwelling SciFi nerds on what 2084 will be like? Will our kids and grandkids have micro drones hovering about them, recording their every utterance and their every move and reporting it to private corporations and/or christian conservative ayatollahs in Washington? Will people be walking around with masks to avoid the omnipresent surveillance society? Will masks even be legal? In the UK hey've already entertained the idea of banning hooded garments because they enable you to hide your face from CCTV.

    1. Re:1984+100=2084 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the USA masks are already illegal.

    2. Re: 1984+100=2084 by Scareduck · · Score: 1

      In an energy-starved future with people in government who view power as unlimited, Game of Thrones sounds reasonable.

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    3. Re: 1984+100=2084 by rubycodez · · Score: 2

      funny this world will never be energy starved, we've fossil fuel for centuries.

      instead, we have cartels that would like us to stay with fossil fuels and so have governments and armies in their pockets

    4. Re: 1984+100=2084 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      funny this world will never be energy starved, we've fossil fuel for centuries.

      Nope. You might have the fuel (and oxygen to burn it too), but you're running out of room for the CO2 long before you run out of fuel. Air becomes unbreathable with about 1% CO2, you'll hit that long before the coal runs out. Which is why we must give up the fossil fuels - even if we somehow avoids "global warming" through other means.

    5. Re:1984+100=2084 by devnulljapan · · Score: 1

      They already did make wearing a mask a crime in Canada, punishable by 10 fucking years in jail.

    6. Re: 1984+100=2084 by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      you are silly, the maximum osha level allowed is 5,000 ppm. We won't be able to hit exceed that lofty goal to make your CO2 doomsay, sorry. But maybe we could acidify the ocean enough to make it weird with the kinds of life that would flourish in that level of carbonated saltwater. does that make you better?

    7. Re:1984+100=2084 by Alain+Williams · · Score: 2

      They already did make wearing a mask a crime in Canada, punishable by 10 fucking years in jail.

      That is wearing a face mask in public, it does not cover private pictures.

      However: so that you can recognise me when we meet to plant our bomb at the embassy I have some pictures of me.

    8. Re:1984+100=2084 by jelIomizer · · Score: 1

      Masks are outright illegal only in some places at the moment (Which is still a huge problem and nothing that should happen in a country that's supposed to be the land of the free.). In many places, they're illegal only if you use them while committing some crime.

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    9. Re:1984+100=2084 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Masks are outright illegal only in some places at the moment (Which is still a huge problem and nothing that should happen in a country that's supposed to be the land of the free.). In many places, they're illegal only if you use them while committing some crime.

      Jaywalking on Halloween?

    10. Re:1984+100=2084 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, they made wearing a mask during a riot a crime in Canada. Sort of a different thing than just wearing a mask in public.

  6. Re:failure of scope... by seven+of+five · · Score: 3, Informative
  7. Re:Color me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just remember, they're only doing what the rest of the world does! Because they're all bastards.

  8. Reciprocal approach by BSAtHome · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why not start spying on the spies and publish every single move and action they make. Follow the spies by spying on them and publish the results. Not only celebrities are public goods, the spies who collect information should be must be as transparent as they live on and deal in public goods. What is good for the goose...

    1. Re:Reciprocal approach by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why not start spying on the spies and publish every single move and action they make. Follow the spies by spying on them and publish the results.

      Because they will put you in PMITA prison for interfering with law enforcement or obstructing an investigation or some other bullshit. You can't use their techniques against them, those techniques only work when you have the upper hand.

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    2. Re:Reciprocal approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why not start spying on the spies and publish every single move and action they make.

      Because it is illegal of the worst kind, namely unconstitutional. Which is the same reason why they have no business doing that kind of thing without warrant and oversight. If you want to fantasize about what to do to those who are violating the constitution they have been sworn to without restraint, that's easy: throw them into jail. It's the law. This is indeed a case for "What is good for the goose..."

    3. Re:Reciprocal approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Works for me, maybe someone who lives near one of their properties could set up a small webcam and just do a live feed. Doesnt have to be the "spys" but a photobook of their techs, companies they do business with, times of day that they come and go could be very useful.

    4. Re:Reciprocal approach by camperdave · · Score: 2

      Why not start spying on the spies and publish every single move and action they make.

      Okay. Here's a start.

      Oh, wait! I think I saw one of them blink.

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    5. Re:Reciprocal approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just beat them at their own game, we should push for a law to make 24/7 surveillance required for everyone and all records open to everyone.

      I bet you I don't have as much to hide as goverment employees, politicians, corporate management of a lot of other people. The old "if you have nothing to hide routine"

      So why do some have the right to privacy when the people don't.

    6. Re:Reciprocal approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its not illegal, the White House just outed the top CIA undercover agent in Afganastan with no reprocussions. No one got punished, fired, written up, or anything.

      If what you say is illegal something would have been done. Hell, Richard Armatage would have been punished for outting V. Plame, but instead someone who had nothing to do with outting her was sentenced for something else unrelated during the investigation. So I can only assume its perfectally legal to out undercover agents and what they do now.

      That is unless they are now admitting they are not legally held to the law but you are. The Obama administration would never do that, would they?

    7. Re:Reciprocal approach by Lehk228 · · Score: 0

      it's not illegal for obummer to do it. if you do it you get the electric chair.

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    8. Re:Reciprocal approach by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      but they already gather such info on politicians and employees, whoever is in power can use the dirt

    9. Re:Reciprocal approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They may have more to hide, but they get away with much much more. That's what being in power means, you know?

    10. Re:Reciprocal approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "obummer" ??? How old are you? 14?

    11. Re:Reciprocal approach by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Yup. Much of what the NSA is doing is just taking stuff done by black hats all over the place and industrializing it.

      If you hack into a bunch of PCs you'll eventually be traced, caught, and put in prison.

      If the NSA hacks into a bunch of PCs and somebody notices and calls the FBI, they just get sent a national security letter telling them that if they talk about it to anybody else they'll be the ones going to jail.

      When a PC is hacked it can be handled over to the rootkit management team, who runs an automated scan daily to make sure that all 14 of their back-doors into the system are still intact. If only 12 of them are working due to security patches then they can send that to the special care group who goes ahead and gets the working back-door count to the required level.

      Then they can have another team that does nothing but extract data from rooted PCs, etc. Basically you divide-and-conqueror like any other professional IT endeavor. The dev team doesn't have to worry about figuring out what features to priorities, the dev team doesn't have to worry about backing up the servers, etc.

      So, if you could have black-hats run like a Fortune 500 company you end up with the NSA.

  9. List of NSA employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone has one? It would be a nice project to put together a database with information and images on all who work there.

    1. Re:List of NSA employees by sensei+moreh · · Score: 1

      I'll start. There was an undergraduate math major at UCLA named named Larry (I don't recall his surname), class of 1976, who had accepted a job offer from NSA.

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    2. Re:List of NSA employees by BradMajors · · Score: 1

      Try linkedin.

    3. Re:List of NSA employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great!

      1. Larry
      2.

      Now, someone please fill in number 2.

    4. Re:List of NSA employees by mfh · · Score: 1

      Lots of people lie. On Linkedin. You'll end up getting a bunch of people who want others to THINK they had NSA experience... when in fact they are 12yr old boys.

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    5. Re:List of NSA employees by dotancohen · · Score: 2

      Great!

      1. Larry
      2.

      Now, someone please fill in number 2.

      2. Edward S.. s.. something. Scissorhands, maybe.

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    6. Re:List of NSA employees by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      I don't think he's with them anymore.

    7. Re:List of NSA employees by Mr.CRC · · Score: 1

      There was a guy we were trying to hire named Moe, who went to the NSA instead.

      1. Larry

      2. Moe

  10. And GCHQ was watching intimate skype videos ow-lah by keysdisease · · Score: 0

    Human nature being what it is.... If you don't want someone else to see it, don't send it. Everybody always lies. Everybody always spies.

  11. The web is not the internet by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Informative

    NSA Collecting Millions of Faces From Web Images

    The National Security Agency is harvesting huge numbers of images of people from communications that it intercepts

    Intercepted communications aren't "the web."

    emails, text messages, social media, videoconferences

    Apart from social media (largely), none of those things are "the web."

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    1. Re:The web is not the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Michel their?

    2. Re:The web is not the internet by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      Apart from social media (largely), none of those things are "the web."

      If you read further, there's a lot of other sources the NSA is (not denying that they are) pulling from.

      declining to say whether the agency had access to the State Department database of photos of foreign visa applicants.
      also declined to say whether the N.S.A. collected facial imagery of Americans from Facebook and other social media
      gathers airline passenger data
      collects photographs from national identity card databases created by foreign countries
      asked whether the agency is now [gathering iris scans], officials declined to comment
      The documents also indicate that the N.S.A. collects iris scans of foreigners through other means.
      a program called Pisces, collecting biometric data on border crossings from a wide range of countries

      Am I doing it wrong, or do (un)ordered lists not work on /. anymore?

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    3. Re:The web is not the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next thing you read will be that the NSA and GCHQ are combing passport and driving databses like the DMA (USA) and the DVLA (UK)

      Runaway spying agencies are real.

      Orwell's 1984 prediction was 30 years too early.

  12. Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is a top News for Nerds story?

  13. Hey, just like Facebook by dingen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's funny how little difference there is between what Facebook's servers are doing and the NSA's. I wonder who has more info on you.

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    1. Re:Hey, just like Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The NSA for sure ... they get all Facebook data and combine it with everything else they collect

    2. Re:Hey, just like Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? And this got modded up?
       
      Are you really trying to compare a social networking site with the federal government who's been shitting on the 4th amendment for at least 5 years and more like 25 years? Did you really use this as a vehicle to make fun of Facebook? Is that where we really are as a people today?
       
      Game over. No wonder the powers that be get to sit up high with a smug grin on their face as people like you feed their bullshit and shrug off their offenses. You're part of the problem. They have you fighting against a mostly harmless entity while they fuck you in the ass and you're loving it and begging for more.

    3. Re:Hey, just like Facebook by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Facebook is interested in selling you things, NSA in terrorism. Either could be misused by a politician to spy on opponents, feeding them critical political info, and no one would ever notice.

      We know no alarms go off when someone listens in on a conversation without a warrant in the NSA. It's more of a checklist, "you did get a warrant, right?". You don't think some kind of google or facebook analytics is up for sale, or just given, to preferred candidates?

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    4. Re:Hey, just like Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Facebook is interested in selling you things, NSA is interested in selling your data to big businesses in the USA as well as collecting any trade secrets from offshore and selling them to big businesses in the USA

      FTFY

    5. Re:Hey, just like Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The NSA isn't just in it for terrorism. They love them some blackmail.

    6. Re: Hey, just like Facebook by Rujiel · · Score: 1

      The NSA doesn't care about stopping terrorism. That's a colorful yet familiar excuse. It cares about the end of privacy--and that is in its own employees' words.

  14. Re:What DOESN'T the NSA do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cont.d: I know crypto won't fix everything. But mass surveillance will be fixed by it.

    Social networks with public key cryptography will fix the facial recognition issues at least there.

    Most of the stuff the mass surveillance programs are getting isn't encrypted and is put up by users. Restricting that information to parties not concerned through crypto will effectively put all these programs in the dark.

  15. They would silly not to... by MegOnWheels · · Score: 1

    Honestly it is kind of what you would expect that kind of organisation to be doing..

    1. Re:They would silly not to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The "it is no surprise the NSA does X" line is just a way to let them off the hook.

      It is exactly the short of thing we should expect from an organization charged with saving society by undermining it.

      Remember what Osama bin Laden said in his only post-9/11 interview.

      "I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed," bin Laden said as the U.S. war on terrorism raged in Afghanistan. "The U.S. government will lead the American people in -- and the West in general -- into an unbearable hell and a choking life."

    2. Re:They would silly not to... by hey! · · Score: 2

      Honestly it is kind of what you would expect that kind of organisation to be doing..

      And that's supposed to be reassuring?

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    3. Re:They would silly not to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, an unrestrained government agency is spying on every man, woman and child in the country (and other countries around the globe) regardless of whether or not they are even suspected of a crime, and in doing so has completely undermined the constitution, and this is what I expect from him?

      Somehow, I disagree with that logic. I kind of expect a government agency to uphold the law, not imprison the population and declare themselves the new rulers.

    4. Re:They would silly not to... by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      No: If you did not expect this, its time to hand in your geek card.

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    5. Re:They would silly not to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Different AC here. I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers that quote. Please, continue to propagate. It chilled me to the bone when I read it, and everything we've done ever since has been exactly as he predicted. He won the war, and he did it with our help.

      As an electorate, we begged our politicians to protect us from another 9/11 at any cost, just as OBL predicted we would, and just as I feared.

  16. Re:Color me by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

    Just remember, they're only doing what the rest of the world does! Because they're all bastards.

    Well, in this case they're following the lead of the British GCHQ, so in some sense they are doing what the rest of the world does.

    But since GCHQ is a bought and paid for subsidary of the NSA...

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  17. Re:And GCHQ was watching intimate skype videos ow- by camperdave · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you don't want someone else to see it, don't send it.

    Pray tell, how do I get someone to not post pictures of me?

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  18. I guess it's still early by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I thought they were collecting feces. I waited a full 30 minutes in the bathroom before I realized my error.

  19. Re:Color me by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

    But since GCHQ is a bought and paid for subsidary of the NSA.

    Learn some history mate.

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  20. edit by jamesl · · Score: 1

    ... according to top-secret documents.

    Should read, " ... according to formerly top-secret documents."

    1. Re: edit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because it was released publicly doesn't change its classification.

    2. Re:edit by currently_awake · · Score: 2, Informative

      Documents don't stop being top secret just because someone leaked them.

    3. Re:edit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sadly no. A terrifyingly stupid EO was signed that made it so that the wikileaks info was still classified. So that every single person with a clearance that ran across it on the web had to report it as a security violation. Yes, the national security adviser is that stupid.

    4. Re:edit by omtinez · · Score: 0

      Documents don't stop being top secret just because someone leaked them.

      If someone leaks the *top secret* documents and they are no longer *secret*, then they are just *top*

  21. Re:And GCHQ was watching intimate skype videos ow- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By not being in them to begin with, doofus.

    How's your Mars trip coming along you retard?

  22. Re:failure of scope... by rmdingler · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why? Did your Skylark throw a rod?

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  23. Re:And GCHQ was watching intimate skype videos ow- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  24. Re:failure of scope... by imatter · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    With one exception, targeting women and children. Now, you might say, but they do kill women and children. I would have to say you are probably right, they have. The difference is, that as a nation, the United States does not condone the killing of women and children, therefore our military and the people who sign up for our military are not there to kill women and children, that is not why they exist.

  25. Re:Color me by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    GCHQ, NSA, and their equivalent agencies in Australia, Canada and NZ are all members of the "five eyes" spying group also known as ECHELON. Any time a law might restrict one from spying on citizens of their own country, they just have another member spy for them and hand over the info.

  26. Impressive collection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Collecting too much porn.

  27. Re:What DOESN'T the NSA do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your an idgit. If you have soshul, your going to have survAloance. Duonut!

  28. Re:Color me by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

    But since GCHQ is a bought and paid for subsidary of the NSA...

    Last time I checked, NSA was our copy of GCHQ. We were so impressed with what they did in WW2, we decided we needed some of that....

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  29. Once a blue planet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What an ugly world some have turned this beautiful place into. Is there a ship leaving for another possibly peaceful planet? A world without all the governments, spies and terrorists would be nice.

    1. Re:Once a blue planet by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      What an ugly world some have turned this beautiful place into. Is there a ship leaving for another possibly peaceful planet? A world without all the governments, spies and terrorists would be nice.

      So a world without humans? I'm sure there are plenty but why would we send an empty ship there?

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    2. Re:Once a blue planet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What an ugly world some have turned this beautiful place into. Is there a ship leaving for another possibly peaceful planet? A world without all the governments, spies and terrorists would be nice.

      I don't like to cite SW anything, but damn if this isn't how the Republic dies.
      The terrorist threat is vastly overblown, it certainly doesn't require the huge amounts of money being poured into the surveillance state. It's the NSAs of this world that will bring down our democracies, all the while most of the citizenry and our stupid political leaders will chant "but it's necessary to keep us safe". Yeah they keep us safe the same way you keep safe a lamb going to the slauterhouse.

  30. Re:failure of scope... by shiftless · · Score: 0

    What an idiotic statement. I am a veteran of the US Air Force who did two tours in Afghanistan. One time I personally helped fire a rocket at a truck of "suspected insurgents" (read: some guys we just targeted because we were pissed off at getting mortared every day) with a Javelin missile, blowing it to pieces....sending half the flaming wreckage rolling down into a nearby orchard, killing an old man. His granddaughter was not so lucky; she lost an arm and an eye. You should have heard the whooping and cheering when we saw that big ass explosion. It was really cool! The only other person I met who seemed to show any doubt about what we'd done was the young (20-22 year old) combat medic who had to patch her up.

    War is hell. Get a clue, you fucking useful idiot.

  31. Folks do this to themselves by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 2

    The flip side of posting the most innocuous details of your life online for all to see. What did you THINK would happen?

    1. Re:Folks do this to themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they're so brain numbingly stupid to actually believe the fundamentally flawed argument of "I am not breaking the law, and I have nothing to hide, so nothing to fear, at all."

      Sad that the human race has sunk to this low level of intelligence.

    2. Re:Folks do this to themselves by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Interesting that they mention videoconferences as well.

      So, if you're at a meeting at work, the NSA is capturing that. If you stay off the grid at home, they can still figure out where you work. If they archive the footage then if you're interesting they could probably work out your name/etc from the meeting content. If not, they can just show up at work with your picture.

  32. Re:Color me by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3

    Why do you think that contradicts his statement? Take a look at how much funding GCHQ receives from the NSA - it's a significant amount of their total budget and has led to some concerns that they act more in the interests of the US than UK.

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  33. Re:failure of scope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but the killing of men though, that's just jim-dandy.

  34. Re:Color me by Eunuchswear · · Score: 2

    History?

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/01/nsa-paid-gchq-spying-edward-snowden

    The real history is that the UK found it didn't have the resources to fund Bletchley Park without American help and by the end of the war most of the work was being done in the US:

    By December 1943, 120 machines were installed. For the remainder of the war, the US took care of breaking the majority of German Naval Enigma traffic and in particular the messages of the dreaded German U-Boats.

    http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/bombe/

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  35. Who says the politicians are using the info? by bussdriver · · Score: 2

    Every politician who is a threat to the system, when they get the power to do something they suddenly flip. Why is that??

    Sure, in some cases when they hear the arguments they change their minds; but it seems that it is extremely easy to make any politician to flip sides and behave. It is naive to just assume that it is always a result of lying politicians and whatever other stereotypes you are more comfortable with than questioning whether the system is so corrupt that it has working control over politicians who threaten the soft spots.

    Hoover used the FBI to blackmail; the CIA has done it as well; political parties use it on their members to some degree as well. I'm confident we have psychological profiles of our leaders and not just all the foreign ones; I bet that info gets abused as well.

    Automation and technology isn't going to bring us new powers of "persuasion"; it's going to make old ones more effective and widespread. The NSA doesn't need to do this, they can just get facebook to give them access to their system and maybe throw a tax break their way to add some features... if they are not already doing this now.

    1. Re:Who says the politicians are using the info? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      It is naive to just assume that it is always a result of lying politicians and whatever other stereotypes you are more comfortable with than questioning whether the system is so corrupt that it has working control over politicians who threaten the soft spots.

      So, you find it far more reasonable to assume a vast conspiracy rather than that people will lie to get elected?

      Wow, just wow....

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    2. Re:Who says the politicians are using the info? by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      For politicians, conspiracy is part of the job description! Most the FBI's job is investigating criminal conspiracy. fact.

      Lying is needed to get the job and keep the job; but conspiracy is how the job works and how government functions.

      Some politicians will fight the NSA and some won't but since all of them end up on the same page--- one has to wonder. You are claiming that ALL politicians are 100% for the NSA and just always lie about it. That is not the case; we can't know for sure because... you can rationalize it any way you wish; unless somebody leaks strong documented proof. Don't let your optimist bias genetics push you towards answers that always feel better.

      The NSA and certain politicians along with government officials-- kept the NSA mess secret even with leaks until Snowden gave out PROOF. A lot of it started post 9/11 and has been secret all this time --- it wasn't proven until the fools payed contractors to work with deep access to the information.

      We have history of blackmail in the past; done with no resources like exists today - you seriously think some Hoover like person can't ever get into a position of power again?? Oh, nah, it's just lying politicians 100% nobody actually for privacy would ever run and win a position of power; that's just impossible...

    3. Re:Who says the politicians are using the info? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      You are claiming that ALL politicians are 100% for the NSA and just always lie about it.

      No, I am claiming that "We never learn even deserts burn and all politicians lie They won't do nothin' 'till we reach high noon"

      Note that most likely most politicians (remember some of them are on oversight committees and, at least theoretically, get the straight scoop from the NSA directly) don't actually see what people are getting excited about, since it's likely that NSA is MUCH MUCH LESS CAPABLE of actually doing the stuff they want us (and everyone else) to think they're doing..

      Does this mean that the NSA shouldn't be reined in? Nope. Does it mean Congress should ignore the issue? Nope. Does it mean Obama isn't ultimately to blame for this? Nope (he's the President, head of the Executive Branch. the NSA is part of the Executive Branch, and therefore under his orders. Remember, if he wanted to, he could tell them to stop anytime at all).

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      "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
    4. Re:Who says the politicians are using the info? by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      The NSA knows probably everything the oversight does and we don't actually know if the oversight is aware of everything going on. They sure don't seem able to do actual oversight; a few of them seem to indicate that they can't do any oversight or share anything with others in government who should be able to hear about it. How does one pass laws to fix things if only a select minority of politicians know anything and the other just must trust them as to what the law needs to say?

      Politicians wait until after high noon and then say "I would have been there to help but..."

  36. Primary Purpose of the Xbox One Kinect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Where are the filthy, filthy shills who screamed over and over again, in every forum, that the Xbox One was an 'innocent' device, and anyone who said otherwise was a tin-foil hat wearing 'nutter'.

    Bill "I made inBloom in partnership with Rupert Murdoch" Gates dedicates his life to advancing the police state, and thinking of new ways to enhance the full surveillance programs of the NSA. Gates personally forced Microsoft to spend may tens of billions of dollars buying every available company that might have technology useful for the Kinect 2 NSA sensor block that was originally a COMPULSORY internet connected peripheral of EVERY Xbox One.

    The original plans for the console meant ZERO gaming or other use could occur unless there was a permanent internet connection directly connecting to the data continuously streaming from the cameras and microphones of the Kinect2. Even when a massive backlash forced Microsoft to remove the always-on internet connection requirement, the Kinect2 NSA sensor block was functioning at 100%, even when the console was in stand-by power-mode.

    Kinect2 was designed to be the ultimate, remotely programmable spy platform, but it had a default mode active on EVERY console. This mode takes facial recognition quality images of the faces of EVERY person who enters the room (even in the dark- even if you think the console is 'sleeping') and uploads these images to NSA servers hidden in Microsoft's cloud.

    Despite the best efforts of people like the owners of Slashdot (who provide infinite moderation points to paid shills of the NSA and other governmental organisations), ordinary people rejected the obscenity of the Xbox One to such an extent (opting for the vastly superior- and cheaper- gaming platform, Sony's PS4) that Microsoft has now agreed to provide a Kinect-free version of the Xbox One.

    Bill Gates gave you:
    -Common Core (the best psychological methods used to dumb-down Middle America)
    -inBloom (the universal database that monitors the lives of every American child in every detail). inBloom has now been transferred to the NSA full surveillance programs, and relies on covertly tapping into various online databases to extract the information on each child. As an overt program, the brainchild of Rupert "Fox News" Murdoch and Bill Gates came under too much public scrutiny.
    -NSA in-home spying via the Xbox One Kinect

    Gates' family has a long history in American Eugenics- the same movement that gave Hitler and the Nazis all that pseudo-science (yes, Adolf Hitler personally thanked the US eugenic movement for their assistance providing Germany with their theories on 'racial purity'). Gates tours the world, giving speeches on how the Human Race must be 'culled' (no more than two billion sheeple required to serve the needs of the 'elites').

    Gates wants every ordinary American to be tracked in every aspect of their lives 100% of the time. In this goal he is joined by most of the other 'technology' leaders, including those behind Facebook, Yahoo, Google, Oracle, and IBM (the original partner of the Nazi movement). In the 50s, this concept had a famous phrase "no place to hide". In the 50s, the sheeple were told it was the 'corporations' and 'advertisers' who were pursuing this agenda for commercial reasons, but even then, darker forces pulled the strings in the background.

    The ONLY thing that can save Humanity from such an unthinkable abuse is the incorporation of fundamental principles of privacy into the written and unwritten Constitutional protections of Human societies. Like how slavery was fundamentally abolished. The US constitution needs new amendments specifically prohibiting all forms of Full Surveillance, describing such actions as morally and legally repugnant. The RIGHT TO PRIVACY against the machinations of the paid servants of the State is an essential Human Right.

  37. Re:failure of scope... by imatter · · Score: 2

    and that's why you signed up, right? oh wait that's why you signed up for the second tour.

    At least you are not an AC.

  38. Re:failure of scope... by imatter · · Score: 1

    I don't like taking the bait but... +4 really? all the mod points probably came from U.S. citizens too, that's a shame.

    Naive? I understand, but apparently you can't read, I did not say we don't or never kill women and children. I think the only thing I really did there was use the word "probably" which FTFY, "I would have to say you are right, they have."

  39. Tech usually gets cheaper + more accessible... by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

    ... So at some point the capabilities that the NSA now has, may be available to the average citizen. Then it will be time to lift the rocks under which the watchers live, and report publicly on their every move. Payback's a bitch.

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    'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
    1. Re:Tech usually gets cheaper + more accessible... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... So at some point the capabilities that the NSA now has, may be available to the average citizen. Then it will be time to lift the rocks under which the watchers live, and report publicly on their every move. Payback's a bitch.

      We already do in many cases.

      The damnable thing about it is that they want to make it illegal, with severe and unappealable penalties to do unto them what they are doing unto you.

  40. "Wired" suggested this in 1990s by peter303 · · Score: 1

    They suggested that any public be able to access public camera feeds. That is the spy targets spy on the spyers. The writing was n the wall then with video prices dropping, you could install thousands of cameras everywhere. Many businesses and police do so.

  41. why would any person assume this didnt happen? by peter303 · · Score: 1

    People would have to be incredibly naive to assume the worlds government intelligence agencies and commercial intelligence are not collected and analyzing any data they can.

  42. Drones by phorm · · Score: 1

    Yeah, because the drone strikes etc don't have any sort of 'collateral damage' at all. For that matter, remember the "collateral murder" helicopter video?

    But anybody within a certain age limit and fairly generous radius of a drone target is considered to be collaborating with the target... so they're not considered civilian casualties. If you don't like the statistics, change the parameters... (but lots of innocents still get killed).

  43. Re:failure of scope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The man who buys the meat is brother to the butcher. You sign up for an organization that kills fairly indiscriminately; you accept responsibility for the deaths.

  44. NSA watches Facebook! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Film at 11.

  45. Re:failure of scope... by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

    Years after the 9/11 attack, I talked with a young National Guard soldier whose patrol was the New York City subway system. He told me how he was trained, if need be, to shoot to kill a baby in a stroller. As he told me this, I remember how his eyes had an eerie, haunted look.

  46. Nah they're collecting dicks by gelfling · · Score: 1

    The NSA is the world's largest collection of amateur porn

    1. Re:Nah they're collecting dicks by Sciath · · Score: 1

      That's OK. It's for national security purposes.

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      "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
  47. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no expectation of privacy in public. Someone can take your picture to their heart's content and there is nothing you can do about it. If that someone is the government, so what?

  48. Re:failure of scope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, that's what drones are for... To do the dirty work from miles away rather than look into the eyes of a 16 year old US citizen abroad as he is in the back yard cooking on the grill. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/07/grandfather-of-american-teen-killed-in-drone-strike-demands-answers/

    Or maybe you forgot a lot of our soldiers who saw active combat in Iraq were just children of 18 or 19 years old. Not old enough to be trusted to drink responsibly, but old enough to die in armed combat in the middle of the dessert half a world away from their friends and family. Children as fodder in a sensless war. Oh, but they weren't our targets, they were just our tools.

  49. The obvious difference you're missing by Rujiel · · Score: 1

    is that facebook wants every bit of info about me in order to shill me products, mot to retroactively incriminate me if i were ever to become a threat. Facebook also doesn't care about what you fap to, but it's been proven that the NSA does--want to guess why?

  50. More CYA by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

    They're worried that at the next incident they'll get blamed and then dismantled because they failed to prevent it. The solution-- throw even more technology and data collection at the problem-- technology and enough data can fix anything, don't you know?. And then when they get called up to testify before Congress why they weren't able to prevent it, it won't be because they didn't collect the right data. Of course, it'll be because they had so much data they couldn't make useful sense of it, but that's another story (technology can fix that too, can't it?).

  51. Photoshop to the rescue by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

    Time to fill up your facebook profile photos with thousands of bogus images.

    1. Re:Photoshop to the rescue by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      Time to fill up your facebook profile photos with thousands of bogus images.

      Or just tag everyone in the picture as being the director of the NSA.

    2. Re:Photoshop to the rescue by deodiaus2 · · Score: 1

      Actually, time to fill facebook with lots of people who look sort of like you. I am sure that if you fill it with people who don't look like you, the algorithm will do a good job of discerning them. However, if you put these up, maybe you'll just end up fine tuning the algorithms!

  52. The boilerplate "old news" answer is wearing might by Rujiel · · Score: 1

    "But we KNEW they had colluded with google, microsoft and facebook to spy on us!" "But we KNEW the NSA was intercepting shipments of cisco routers to compromise them!" "But we KNEW they're hiring an army of paid trolls to pollute forums!"

    NSA-related posts on /. get way more comments than most other topics--is that indicative of "old news"? Think about that next time you say this BS.

  53. This NSA nonsense needs to stop by danknight48 · · Score: 0

    Honestly, let it die.

    The NSA are doing there job. You'd all very quickly turn the blame if there was another 9/11 attack.
    Yet, people are more than happy to give Facebook their life photos?

    Wake up to the real world.

  54. There are limits on US government activities by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    The NSA are doing there(sic) job.

    No. They aren't. Because they're an arm of the federal government, and all search and seizure by the federal government is formally and unequivocally limited to very specific procedures, which the NSA are not following, by the 4th amendment to the US constitution.

    What they are doing is fundamentally illegal, as defined by the very highest law in the land, the very one that authorizes our government to even exist.

    Was it your impression that we all live in a banana republic where the government can do anything it wants? Anything congress wants, it gets? That's not how it's supposed to work. When it does work that way, it is broken.

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    I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
  55. Re:failure of scope... by flyneye · · Score: 1

    War is like that. No point in pointing it out as being not typical or being particularly hard on the military about it. People die in war; this has been proven throughout the ages. Non military personnel get in the way all the time. Call it accidental or call it Darwin. It just is. Accept it.

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    *Repent!Quit Your Job!Slack Off!The World Ends Tomorrow and You May Die!
  56. Re:And GCHQ was watching intimate skype videos ow- by camperdave · · Score: 1

    By not being in them to begin with, doofus.

    Okay. So how do I get people to stop posting pictures that I've been photoshopped into.

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    When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
  57. Only a fool ... by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1

    ... posts pictures on the web and expects them to be private.

    Only a moron would find it surprising that government agencies aren't looking at them.

    --
    I rarely read replies, it's my opinion and if you thought about your opinion a little more, I'm OK with that.
  58. Speaking of Privacy -- shame on Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazingly enough, Slashdot does not allow users to delete their accounts.
    Worse, it does not even allow users to change their nicknames.

    So, if you're concerned about Web analytics or analogous technologies
    connecting your Slashdot postings to postings made with stylistic language,
    zip codes, other inferred demographics, or even nicknames similar to those
    of your Slashdot postings, you're shit out of luck. And speaking as one who
    works in the field, such connections and inferences are far from mere
    paranoia. Analytics and inferential knowledgebase-driven tracking is what
    drives NSA data mining, many types of clicktracking, and magically targeted
    Netflix & Amazon messages, and these methodologies are still barely out of
    their infancy -- data collected today is likely to yield far more
    information when mined 5 or 10 years from now, when increased data-storage
    and processing capabilities eliminate some of the scalability constraints of
    current technology. DNA computing, anyone?.

    Still unconvinced? As recently as last March
    (http://yro-beta.slashdot.org/story/13/03/11/218221/facebook-knows-if-youre-
    gay-use-drugs-or-are-a-republican), Slashdot itself reported that
    researchers, using only Facebook metadata (not postings), could generally
    predict a user's sexual orientation, political party, IQ, likelihood to use
    drugs, and other personal characteristics. Hence, prudence dictates that
    online users should ALWAYS delete unnecessary traces. And older Slashdot
    postings, which may be far more revealing than a Facebook "like," should
    certainly be high on the list of deletion candidates -- even if you always
    post as an AC.

    Amazingly, Slashdot refuses to provide basic posting-deletion functionality.
    It refuses to allow even half-assed attempts to hide one's identify by
    changing a nick. And it won't acknowledge email requests to explain these
    policies. When I sent a message to Slashdot last month asking for
    clarification or assistance with deleting my account or past postings, I
    received a form letter apologizing for "Slashdot's inability to reply to
    every question about its new beta system."

    Jeez, can't we even get kissed when we get fucked?

    So what can a helpless Slashdot user do? Well, to start, I'll be continuing
    to submit this message as a story proposal until I get some kind of reaction
    from a Slashdot decision-maker who thinks I'm raising a valid issue. In the
    interim, I STRONGLY urge anybody thinking of opening a Slashdot account, or
    of posting other than anonymously, to think again. Search on Google (or
    better, on the Patent Office Web site) for terms like "web analytics,"
    "inferential statistics," "knowledgebase," "big data," "natural-language
    prcoessing," or even just "cybersecurity." Or page through a copy of the
    already-outdated, but still relevant, book "Dragnet Nation." And remember
    that, once you open that Slashdot account, once you post that Slashdot
    message, there's no redo.

    Shame on you, Slashdot! I could understand seeing these kinds of policies on
    a Duck Dynasty fan-club forum, but you guys are supposed to have a clue.

  59. Where I the only one how read 'Feces" ?? by Optali · · Score: 1

    I think I spending too much time on slasdot...

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  60. Re:failure of scope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The US military can and does slaughter women and children, it has by the hundreds of thousands in the last 15 years alone.

    Hundreds of thousands, huh? And you call the grandparent poster naïve?!?

  61. Re:failure of scope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One time I personally helped fire a rocket at a truck of "suspected insurgents" (read: some guys we just targeted because we were pissed off at getting mortared every day)

    If you think that the US military condones your actions, try giving that statement to a JAG. Then you will figure out who the idiot is.