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Patent Troll Ordered To Pay For the Costs of Fighting a Bad Patent

We mentioned last year that FindTheBest CEO Kevin O'Connor had taken an unusual step, when confronted with a demand by patent troll company Lumen View that the startup pay $50,000 for what struck O'Connor as a frivolous patent: He not only refused, but pledged to spend a million bucks, if necessary, to fight Lumen View in court. Now, as Ars Technica reports, O'Connor has succeeded on a grand scale. Before trouncing Lumen View in court, Ars reports, "FindTheBest had spent about $200,000 on its legal fight—not to mention the productivity lost in hundreds of work hours spent by top executives on the lawsuit, and three all-company meetings. Now the judge overseeing the case has ruled (PDF) that it's Lumen View, not FindTheBest, that should have to pay those expenses. In a first-of-its-kind implementation of new fee-shifting rules mandated by the Supreme Court, US District Judge Denise Cote found that the Lumen View lawsuit was a 'prototypical exceptional case.'"

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  1. Newegg did that too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/05/23/1347205

    "Unlike the other 36 codefendants, Newegg chose to go further and recover its legal fees, an action that most companies choose not to pursue because prevailing defendants were, until recently, required to demonstrate that a plaintiff acted in bad faith."

  2. Sounds awesome except.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Patent troll will probably just declare bankruptcy and reform under a new name, all in the same day.

    Not even looking at how it is structured I'd blindly wager that they are held by no fewer than two shell companies. So the problem is that the people pulling the strings never suffer any real repercussions.

    1. Re:Sounds awesome except.... by fuzznutz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is also that the USPO granted the patent in the first place :/

      Amen. The "experts" who are supposed to know better are accepting these bullshit patents all the time. The courts have to sort it out while the victims get to pay. How about we personally make the patent examiners financially liable for the costs involved in defending one of these bullshit patents. I'd bet that they'd be looking at these patents with a much more critical eye then...

    2. Re:Sounds awesome except.... by msauve · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "you have 2 minutes to review an application written by lawyers paid to write confusing applications."

      This.

      Patents are supposed to be provided in exchange for an inventor disclosing the invention for future public benefit. But, they're written in such an obtuse manner that they can't be used that way - they're expected to be used to extract money out of the people who come up with something similar, not provide a workable explanation of how to make something useful.

      The solution is for examiners to simply outright reject any patent which isn't readily understandable. A person "skilled in the art," shouldn't have to learn deliberately obtuse patent-speak to even begin to understand a patent.

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    3. Re:Sounds awesome except.... by stealth_finger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're also expected to be a subject-matter-expert on every application that crosses your desk. And remember, you have 2 minutes to review an application written by lawyers paid to write confusing applications.

      Well if the examiner cant understand it immediately, they should deny it, if in doubt dent. Yeah I know they get paid for approvals and all that but really, the whole system sucks, it needs pulling out, burning, having the ashes jumped on then started again using common sense.

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  3. Re:but by jythie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To be fair, it is how our legal system was crafted. The US has a strong streak of 'handle your own problem, power to control your own fate' to it, and the civil suit system was built to support that. There are lots of crimes which in other countries would be prosecuted by one agency or another (for better or worse) but in the US the only redress one has is a civil suit. Even in situations where there are criminal laws on the books, the complaints about the police not doing anything even when supplied with all the evidence they need are significant. Actually convincing a prosecutor to go forward with your case can be an exercise in frustration.

  4. Sounds awesome except.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is also that the USPO granted the patent in the first place :/

  5. Re:but by dbIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Before you blow your own trumpet too much consider the very bad US example of moving copyright from civil to criminal law which has spread like a cancer around the world. It would be very nice if it went back to Hollywood lawyers suing people instead of SWAT teams through people's windows for copyright violations.

  6. My favourite sentence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My favourite sentence from the summary in the first link:

    The patent troll's attorney also made the claim that calling someone a 'patent troll' was actually a 'hate crime' under 'Ninth Circuit precedent' and threatened to file criminal charges — unless they settled the civil case immediately, apologized, and gave financial compensation to the troll.

    1. Re:My favourite sentence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My favourite sentence from the summary in the first link:

      The patent troll's attorney also made the claim that calling someone a 'patent troll' was actually a 'hate crime' under 'Ninth Circuit precedent' and threatened to file criminal charges — unless they settled the civil case immediately, apologized, and gave financial compensation to the troll.

      That is the worst thing I've ever read!!! It's the kind of thing a lawyer should be disbarred for. The kind of thing that would make me willing to bankrupt myself and my company just to punish the company and attorney. Ugh that's the worst!!!