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AT&T Charges $750 For One Minute of International Data Roaming

reifman (786887) writes 'Last week, AT&T shut down my data service after I turned roaming on in Canada for one minute to check Google maps. I wasn't able to connect successfully but they reported my phone burned through 50 MB and that I owed more than $750. Google maps generally require 1.3 MB per cell. They adamantly refused to reactivate my U.S. data service unless I 'agreed' to purchase an international data roaming package to cover the usage. They eventually reversed the charges but it seems that the company's billing system had bundled my U.S. data usage prior to the border crossing with the one minute of international data roaming.'

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  1. 50MB = 750$ by nurb432 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    WTF? Not that a 50GB warrants a bill like that either.. this reminds me of the bad old days where you never knew if you went over your allocated time/minutes/etc until you got a bill, highly inflated for what it is.

    This practice should be outlawed.

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    1. Re:50MB = 750$ by Derekloffin · · Score: 5, Informative

      Canada had the same thing going on with some absolutely absurd roaming charges. They recently changed the laws to limit how much you can be billed (can't comment to how effective that change was as I've had no cause to find out).

    2. Re:50MB = 750$ by lgw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is why I like T-Mobile. While coverage is (and likely will always be) quite limited for 4G, I've never seen them cross the line from "typical big company evil" to the black depths of "phone company evil". Plus, they have decent pre-paid plans, which lets you strictly limit surprises.

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    3. Re:50MB = 750$ by WarJolt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Reminds me of running instances on AWS. AT&T has no financial incentive to reduce these surprise charges. Seriously there should be a hard cap that we can set. Sure we are responsible for these charge, but most of the times naive consumers are not aware. Amazon clearly posts the prices of their instances, but it's not uncommon to get a $30,000 bill accidentally due to some developer testing out their application by spinning off instances. You get charged for the whole hour when an instance starts on AWS and things can show up on their accounting system weeks later.

      A real time system for monitoring usage should be mandated by law and sufficient warning should be available. A data roaming plan should automatically be applied if it will save you money. Most importantly we should have the ability to set a cap.

    4. Re:50MB = 750$ by KiloByte · · Score: 4, Informative

      T-Mobile "not evil"??? They gouged me $150 for 1.5MB data roaming from Bosnia (I'm from Poland), and would take more had I used a contract rather than a prepaid plan. And unlike the guy in TFA, I did not get them to reverse the charges.

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    5. Re: 50MB = 750$ by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Funny

      God ... the courier font ... it burns

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    6. Re:50MB = 750$ by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To be fair, T-Mobile in the USA is not the same company as whatever has that name in Europe. The US company is only partially owned by Deutsche Telekom in fact.

    7. Re:50MB = 750$ by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Either AT&T is incompetent, or (quite possibly) the Canadian carriers are gouging.

      FYI - carriers don't make money on regular subscriptions. Instead, ROAMING charges fuel the profits. And they're HUGE profits - think $/minute for a phone call, 5 cents per kB (not kiB) not including headers, etc. (At 5c/kB, that's $50/MB)

      In fact, if you ever wondered why Telus and Bell (Canadian carriers, who normally did CDMA) installed 3G HSPA equipment 5 years ago... it's because Bell was a huge Olympic sponsor. And with athletes and visitors coming to Canada, they will most likely be carrying GSM/3GPP phones. And whose network would THOSE roam on? Rogers, who didn't sponsor the Olympics.

      So Bell would be sponsoring the Olympics, but Rogers would be picking up the massive profits from roaming visitors. Naturally that needed to be fixed which is why Telus/Bell (who share equipment) rolled out HSPA equipment post-haste so they could at least get at that roaming profit. Given they have 1x equipment normally, the sensible plan would've been to just install LTE equipment when it became available.

      So yeah, Canada carriers DO gouge, and your data was probably charged at an "innocent" rate of pennies per kB. $750 for 50MB would be 1.5 cents/kB.

    8. Re:50MB = 750$ by uCallHimDrJ0NES · · Score: 4, Informative

      FYI - carriers don't make money on regular subscriptions.

      Citation needed.

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  2. This by koan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Is what monopolies get you, but aside from that why would *anyone* use their US phone for such a thing?
    Buy a sim or get a cheap Canadian burner phone or.... how about just asking directions.

    Data roaming is a scam just like text messages.

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  3. t-mobile by FunkyELF · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... just sayin
    Every one of their new plans they have unlimited data including international.

  4. Re:Newsflash: AT&T Screws Its Customers by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    no, it's not newsworthy

    but it feels good giving them as much bad PR as we can handle

    post a story like this every other month

    "consumers screwed by oligopolies" category should be a thing

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  5. Point Roberts by onkelonkel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There is a tiny "Island" of America called Point Roberts at the extreme NW corner of Washington State. The Canadians who live right along that border are forever fighting with their cell providers to take off roaming charges because the phone will often pick up the AT&T cell tower on the US side instead of the Telus (or whatever) tower on the Canadian side. The carriers seem quite helpless to fix the problem; some people I know there have to get roaming charges taken off every month.

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    1. Re:Point Roberts by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Its actually a simple fix if their carier actually cared. A custom PRL for those customers could keep them off AT&T towers in that area.

      A PRL is a prefered roaming list and the phone uses it to have your phone connect to the cheapest signal for them when their tower is not availible or full. You can find tools that may allow you to edit one and instal it yourself. I've done it when a storm made the closest tower to my home unreliable so i made it connect to the next closest one. But i was using an outdated rooted boost mobile phone so i don't know if you need root to do it yourself or not or if any phone will work.

    2. Re:Point Roberts by cbhacking · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or, you know, just disable roaming. Every phone I've owned in the last four years, and probably the ones before it, had that option...

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  6. I used to live there by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

    And heard lots of stories of people running into this issue. The #1 cause is user error - assuming the phone knows if it's in the U.S. or Canada. Your phone does not know which side of the border it's on; or if it does know via GPS, that info is not tied in with the phone's radio. Consequently, if you're on the U.S. side of the border but the Canadian tower has a stronger signal and your phone is set to allow roaming, your phone may roam on the Canadian tower incurring international roaming charges. Lots of people who live on the U.S. side of the border and never crossed into Canada reported this problem. In all likelihood, the 50 MB of international roaming data probably wasn't during the 1 min he saw the phone connected to a Canadian tower - it was in spurts as he drove near the border and the phone hopped between U.S. and Canadian towers.

    You have to manually turn off roaming (most phones still have that setting - the carriers have only eliminated the force-roam setting). That guarantees the phone will not hop onto a Canadian tower. Only after you've crossed into Canada and the phone (still not roaming) loses signal do you turn roaming back on. That guarantees you'll be using the U.S. towers for as long as possible.

    Generally anybody who regularly crosses into Canada or plans to spend some time there gets a Canadian roaming option. On my carrier 8 years ago (Sprint) it was $5 extra a month, and knocked calls down to $0.25/min and no charge for Canadian roaming data as long as I stayed within my normal roaming limit (less than 20% or so of my total monthly data usage). That actually turned out to be cheaper than getting a second Canadian cell phone (as hard as it is to believe, their carriers are worse than the U.S. carriers). People who live on the U.S. side and never crossed into Canada during the roaming periods used to be able to get the charges removed with a simple call to customer service complaining they were charged for Canadian roaming when they never went to Canada. But a few months before I moved away, I got a letter saying they would be discontinuing this courtesy and I would just have to disable roaming on my phone if I did not want to be charged international roaming, or buy the Canada roaming option (which I already had).

  7. Re:happened to me too by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's the trick though. They charge you $700. You call them, they charge you $70. You are happy because they dropped "most of" the charges. Really they should have only charged you $7 in the first place. They made themselves look like good guys, while at the same time overcharging you. And for every once in a while there's somebody who doesn't call in to get the charges reduced and just pays the bill (like a corporate account), and they make a huge amount of money for nothing.

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  8. Re:AT&T by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back in the late Sixties, everyone regarded AT&T as the Acme of Evil, an avatar of the Great Enemy on Earth. The Beast was chopped into bits, stakes driven through the multiple hearts of the bits, and each bit chained and confined to separate parts of the land. People grew complacent, and slowly the separate parts of the Beast began to stir. Tentacles slithered into emerging areas of the telecommunications industry and into the pockets of regulators and legislators. Slowly, the bits began to reassemble themselves into a new form until now it has fully reemerged to prey on the unwary.

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