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EU, South Korea Collaborate On Superfast 5G Standards
jfruh writes The European Commission and the South Korean government announced that they will be harmonizing their radio spectrum policy in an attempt to help bring 5G wireless tech to market by 2020. While the technology is still in an embryonic state, but one South Korean researcher predicts it could be over a thousand times faster than current 4G networks.
I find this statement very difficult to believe.
There's only so much theoretical bandwidth on the broadcast range e/m spectrum. How much gets reserved for non-consumer purposes? How many towers/area can we afford? There's gotta be a theoretical fundamental limit, somewhere, right? Like there is with Moore's law?
What the fuck are they talking about? We don't even have 4G yet, and they are already talking about 5G?
I haven't even experienced 4G yet but horry herr yes!
That's a whole 'G' more than I currently have. Here's my soul - where do I sign?
LTE was first proposed in 2003-2004 and lab tested in 2005-2006, which was years before 3G networks were fully deployed. It will likewise be years before there are real world trials of 5G technology, then some time after that before consumer gear becomes available at affordable prices and carriers being deployment.
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We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
In 30 seconds!
Shouldn't 5G be 'Ludicrous Fast' ?
no roaming at $15-$20 an meg when you go to EU and South Korea from the USA.
Do you have $30K+ for each 30 seconds of use and how long before you get cut off? You may be able to hit 500K + in a day before the system has time to cut you off.
...is consistently faster than our wired home connections.
It all sounds a little weird to me: Isn't a dedicated cable always much more reliable and capable than a wireless connection? That's what I thought at least.
I guess it's cheaper to deploy antennas every few hundred meters than to wire every home
I somehow doubt that wireless will be faster, but for the cost of scale infrastructure, antennas and base stations aren't cheap, but the will probably serve many more customers (each with a monthly subscription) than a DSLAM or Coax (or fiber) deployment, so the costs probably will have a better ROI.
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5G is about 49 meters per second per second
What the fuck are they talking about? We don't even have 4G yet, and they are already talking about 5G?
I'm holding out for 6G.
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I have 4G now, and it is still as slow as 3G, which is as slow as 2G, which is as slow as 1Xrtt when everyone is using their phones and the pipe to the tower is full. I often see 10 - 30 Kbps during peak times.
During the middle of the night, 1 bar will get me 1.3 - 1.9Mbps on 3G, and 3 - 5 Mbps on 4G, but during the day, I struggle to get 100Kbps on 3G or 4G, even with 5 bars.
I can watch my download speed increase as everyone goes to bed. It's funny (sad) to graph my download speed and see it jump up on the hour, and jump a little less on the half hour as the pipe opens up.
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Trufax. It is physically impossible for wireless speeds to be greater than wired speeds. Signal attenuation from distance, plus congestion from other subscribers on the same tower are just two factors that degrade speeds. Usually advertised speed metrics are under best-case scenarios with no other handsets on a tower and within a few hundred feet of it.
What does LTE stand for anyway? Lighter Than Earth ? Less Than Europe ? Limited Transfer Environment ?
Somehow, I doubt it actually will be faster.
The cell companies will throttle, and continue to massively over-subscribe.
Pretty much every advancement they've touted as bringing faster, better, cheaper has translated into "not much faster", "slightly better (for them)", and in no way at all cheaper.
I have very little faith that most wireless companies will do anything but squeeze us for money money and more profits, while giving us the same service (or worse) than we already have.
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In the US, we need cheaper wireless, not faster. I've been passing thru some of Verizon's XLTE areas lately where my speeds have topped out at 69/19Mbps. That's pretty darn fast but completely useless for the vast majority of their customers with their piddly 1-10 gig caps.
Plus the SNR is so much better when you use proper cables and shielding, and many things besides antennas do a great job of absorbing microwave signals.
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What does LTE stand for anyway? Lighter Than Earth ? Less Than Europe ? Limited Transfer Environment ?
It stands for 'Long Term Evolution.' Seriously.
Verizon is already saying they don't need to upgrade their infrastructure in some areas, becauase 4G is considered high speed Internet.
Wake me up when we have unlimited cell phone data instead.
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...is consistently faster than our wired home connections.
My VDSL connection (Belgacom) is slower than my 4G-LTE connection (Belgacom).
Nope, nut funny, really.
It stands for long-term evolution, as dreamchaser pointed out. But compared to how the IMT defined real 4G, it's missing an "i". People who misread 4G LTE as "4G Lite" are right.
My upload speed already is faster for LTE than for my cable modem (Oregon, USA). Download is about 1/2.
Well it obviously wasn't intelligently designed.
Why do they hate our freedom? We don't need nothing like that in the USA.
That means we can consume our ridiculously small bandwidth quotas within 30 seconds, rather than than the 2 hours it takes now.
When? Ha, for most people in the Seattle area, they already are! My iPhone with AT&T downloads at 6.5 Mbps while my home DSL is 896 kbps. My phone is over seven times faster than the fast available home connection where I live. It's slow, but for many of my friends, they would kill to have a connection that fast since they're still on dial-up. The fifty+ year-old phone wiring here and lack of access to cable TV since Comcast has a government-granted monopoly but refuses to provide service to all of the city means that cellphones are faster than wired access. The state of Internet access is a joke in this country. When the tech capital of the world doesn't have the option for above 1 Mbps, you know things are screwed-up.
You clearly live in a city. I can't see my neighbors where I live. No, it's not cheaper to deploy antennae every few hundred meters.
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You missed his point. 4G has a definition, LTE and the other junk being sold as 4g does not make it. Marketing, as marketing normally does, simply lied and mislabeled what they actually had (improved 3g) as what people wanted to buy (4g) and made the sale anyway.
So now we are talking about 5g or 6g but we do not actually have 4g availability yet.
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my home DSL is 896 kbps
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I've lived several places in the Seattle area that couldn't get DSL. The fastest connection I've had here was 3 Mbps almost fifteen years ago. Since then, the four other places where I've lived haven't been able to compete with that. To people outside of Seattle that might sound like I move a lot, but with rising rents here and large-scale gentrification, you have to move pretty often to be able to afford a place to live. I'd love to get Comcast despite all of their problems because they're so much faster, but I haven't lived anywhere here yet that they offered service. They have the monopoly so they have no incentive to provide service since no one else can.
> tech capital of the world
Wrong. Seattle continues to elect CONservatives to rule over them. Even the person who claims to be a socialist voted against raising the minimum wage. When you live in a place where even the socialist party hates workers and actively fights to see that they starve, and starve we will because of rising rents, then you know you live in a conservative hellhole. Also, they are very anti-technology and anti-Internet like the rest of their kind. They have never once acted to force Comcast to provide Internet access. Also, they have never made CenturyLink fix their phone wiring. Thousands of households don't even have access to DSL. At home I have 1 Mbps, and it works most nights after about 9pm. In the middle of the day, it never works at any speed, and it costs me nealry $70/month. I still pay it because it is the only option we have here in Seattle. The rulers here are hard-core conservative.
Who cares? Seriously.
Verizon Ev-DO: Maximum theoretical speed 3.1mbit/s, typical real world speed: 600-800kbit/s.
Verizon LTE w/10mhz deployment: Maximum theoretical speed: 75mbit/s, typical real world speed: 3-5mbit/s.
24 times the theoretical speed and 4 times the typical real world speed. That's enough to market it as a next generation technology, irrespective of what 3GPP thinks.
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We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
Absolutely, in the U.S. where "laws" prevent competition. The results elsewhere will likely be better. Remember basic economics: in a market with enough buyers and sellers that none can exert inordinate influence on prices, those prices will tend toward the marginal cost of production. That doesn't happen here in the U.S. mainly because of regulatory capture - telecom regs are written by the telecom companies and are designed to hinder competition to the greatest extent possible.
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but one South Korean researcher predicts it could be over a thousand times faster than current 4G networks.
Maybe in every other country in the world, but here in the US the companies will buy enough politicians that they can have 5G legally defined as somewhere between 3G and where 4G is supposed to be.
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Don't forget that the link speed between your phone and the tower doesn't make one single shit of difference if they don't upgrade the backhaul from the tower to the switching office.
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Fuck everything, we're doing 5Gs.
My wireless at home offers speeds in excess of a standard 10/100 connection.
*however*
In most places you will have multiple cabled 10/100 connections, with a backplane that's capable of an aggregate >100MBps. The wifi, on the other handle, gets slower as more people pile on.
I'd imagine that the same applies to cellular wifi VS gigabit etc. I've also noticed that while cellular often has fast download speeds, the connection setup is often much slower than on ethernet etc
Cool, so I can blow through my 2GB in a matter of seconds!
That's enough to market it as a next generation technology, irrespective of what 3GPP thinks.
Firstly: That's enough for 3GPP to market LTE as a next generation technology, irrespective of what ITU thinks. And secondly: That's not enough.
My 4G internet on my phone is already faster than my home broadband connection, due to the fact that they haven't connected my street to the rest of the Fiber network in Dublin. Thanks to unlimited download, I regularly use it to downloads my Steam games and TV episodes. I'm tempted to get rid of the landline altogether.