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U.S. Democrats Propose Legislation To Ban Internet Fast Lanes

An anonymous reader writes: A proposal from Democrats in the U.S. House and Senate would require the FCC to stop ISPs from creating "internet fast lanes." Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT) said, "Americans are speaking loud and clear. They want an Internet that is a platform for free expression and innovation, where the best ideas and services can reach consumers based on merit rather than based on a financial relationship with a broadband provider." Representative Doris Matsui (D-CA) added, "A free and open Internet is essential for consumers. Our country cannot afford 'pay-for-play' schemes that divide our Internet into tiers based on who has the deepest pockets." Unfortunately, this is only half a solution — the bill doesn't actually add to the FCC's authority. It only requires them to use the authority they currently have, which is questionable at best.

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  1. Just do SOMETHING by BrennanPratt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Republican bill that would remove ISPs from FCC regulation would allow states to regulate. It would make rent seeking a lot more difficult for ISPs. This bill would do the obvious thing that the Fourth Branch has failed to do. It's a sign that the FCC is entirely pointless if Congress has to order it to do every little thing. This wouldn't address the paid prioritization problem, but seems like it would give consumers more rights against ISPs in re traffic shaping, etc.

    1. Re:Just do SOMETHING by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a sign that the FCC is entirely pointless if Congress has to order it to do every little thing

      Making a former lobbyist for wireless and Cable the head of the FCC is a sign the FCC is entirely pointless.

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    2. Re:Just do SOMETHING by compro01 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Republican bill that would remove ISPs from FCC regulation would allow states to regulate. It would make rent seeking a lot more difficult for ISPs.

      Not bloody likely. States are already busy shutting down competition for the incumbent ISPs.

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    3. Re:Just do SOMETHING by drakaan · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, the problem is that the judicial branch told the FCC that *until* they classify ISPs as common carriers, they don't have the authority to mandate anything with regards to paid prioritization or de-prioritization.

      With Mr. Wheeler in charge, there doesn't seem to be much impetus to reclassify the ISPs in that way.

      I am an independent who often votes republican, and I believe that the republican bill as currently laid out is a bad plan. Internet service is a utility in the 21st century, and should be treated that way.

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    4. Re:Just do SOMETHING by arth1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Republican bill that would remove ISPs from FCC regulation would allow states to regulate.

      That would be useless, given that most internet traffic is interstate or international. It's enough that one hop is in a state that hasn't forbidden slow lanes, and it's defeated.

    5. Re:Just do SOMETHING by GodInHell · · Score: 2

      At least he has openly declared that he "is not a dingo."

    6. Re:Just do SOMETHING by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a sign that the FCC is entirely pointless if Congress has to order it to do every little thing

      Making a former lobbyist for wireless and Cable the head of the FCC is a sign the FCC is entirely pointless.

      Not necessarily -- such a person knows all the tricks, and is in a good position to smack current lobbyists down.

      However, in THIS case, his cultural bias is pretty obvious, and it seems that his reason for leaving the lobby was not "I became disillusioned with the whole racket."

    7. Re:Just do SOMETHING by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 2

      But only after the dingos objected.

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    8. Re:Just do SOMETHING by mythosaz · · Score: 2

      Indeed.

      Who do you want leading the FCC? Someone with no experience in the communications industry?

      Any perceived good or bad in his bias is just going to be a matter of which side of the fight that you're on.

    9. Re:Just do SOMETHING by sjames · · Score: 2

      If the Dem's bill passes, they will be required to classify ISPs as telcos so that they will be able to enforce net neutrality since that is within their power. Of course, they will bend over backwards to re-interpret the law until it doesn't mean that.

    10. Re:Just do SOMETHING by mellon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So our choices are (1) an industry shill or (2) someone with no experience in the industry?

      I beg to differ.

    11. Re:Just do SOMETHING by mellon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You want your streets constantly being dug up and inexpertly patched? You want your neighbor's inexpertly pointed microwave dish frying your eyeballs? What you ought to be asking for is an end to deals between municipalities and individual providers, and no restrictions on who can get into the market. Maybe it makes sense for municipalities to install last-mile service. Maybe it doesn't. Why not let the local voters decide?

    12. Re:Just do SOMETHING by mellon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So what you're saying is that we can have a monopoly of greedy corporate bastards, or we can have a government-run monopoly that charges a price that's regulated by voters. And out of these two choices, you are selecting the former, because boo-hoo, the voters will set the price at cost, and the corporations want to make a profit, and that's not fair. Well fuck their profit. They want to own our eyeballs and sell them to the highest bidder. Fuck that.

    13. Re:Just do SOMETHING by thule · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Did I say I didn't want *any* oversight? I'm not an anarchist. I just want it easier. End exclusive franchises. Open things up. This has to happen at the local level. So, yes, let the *local* voters decide.

      BTW, many people already have microwave transmitters in their house. It's called a cell phone. Also, WiFi is microwave. The FCC allows license free use of some frequencies. For all you know, you may already have a dish pointed at your house.

    14. Re:Just do SOMETHING by spire3661 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is a shitty argument. I want someone with a SCIENTIFIC background to run our communications, not a lobbyist.

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    15. Re:Just do SOMETHING by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      I want the government to own the conduit, i want the ISPs to switch the packets.

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    16. Re:Just do SOMETHING by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 4, Informative

      He was a cable lobbyist (sort of--he was head of the largest cable trade association, and that association did do lobbying among other things) 30 years ago, when cable was the underdog trying to provide an alternative to the big broadcasters, and there was no such thing as a cable ISP because the public internet did not exist yet.

      He worked for the wireless trade group 10 years ago.

      Also in there he founded or was a heavy investor in several companies that were more on the content provider side of things, and would be hurt by a lack of net neutrality. There is no evidence that he is any more influenced by his very old (and irrelevant to internet) cable association or his more recent but still old wireless association than by his association with those other companies that were on the content side of things.

    17. Re:Just do SOMETHING by rahvin112 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you think handing regulation to state government will result in less corruption and a fairer playing field you have no experience with or understanding of state government. Local government is better for some things but state governments are historically and currently the easiest for those with deep pockets to buy regulations and laws they want. I've got dozens of examples in my own state and you could undoubtedly find dozens in your own. Such things do occasionally make the national press such as the Texas car dealers association getting the state of Texas to ban the direct sale of Tesla cars. A key example of an entrenched interest with deep pockets being able to directly control the state government into passing patently anti-competition laws.

      Although I don't like the new FCC run by lobbyists and prefer the version from the 50's that was run by engineers. They are at least less corruptible than local politics. If FCC duties are handed to the states we'll have state legislatures writing laws that favor local large businesses in a heart beat. We already have dozens of incumbent written state laws around the nation baring local governments from wiring themselves when the incumbent refuses. I can't even imagine the horror state governments would cause.

    18. Re:Just do SOMETHING by visualight · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For a moment, let go of the myth that inefficient government is some kind of natural law and not propaganda, and read this:
      http://www.muninetworks.org/co...

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    19. Re:Just do SOMETHING by Endymion · · Score: 2

      Stop right there.
      Some random telecommunications engineer and a lobbyist ain't the same fucking thing.

      Ain't no fukcing ballpark neither.
      Now, look, maybe your way of judging bias differes from mine, but, you know,
      having some personal biases and having a job that literally tries to biasing people
      for a 3rd party ain't the same fucking ballpark.

      It ain't the same league.
      It ain't even the same fucking sport.

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  2. Market by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This doesn't fix the root cause. I have 1 ISP in my region that provides cable internet. As long as they have monopoly power they will abuse it. Fix the monopoly issue and the federal goverment might not need to regulate the internet like this.

    1. Re:Market by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Think of the old 1990's ISP model...
      You had your local telephone monopoly/government service who gave you your phone connection. Then you could choose your favorite ISP for your internet. You had two bills one for your ISP and one to the Phone Company.

      To fix this today
      You have the ISP and you have a company/government service providing the cable/fiber infrastructure.
      You need to pay for the infrastructure either by paying the company for it, or via your taxes. Then you choose the ISP (probably local) who will give you your internet service. Faster speed means you will pay the ISP and the Infrastructure more. But say you have a 3 or 4 ISP in your area which you can choose from and say 2 levels of infrastructure (Cable or Fiber) then you can pick and choose and mix and match.

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  3. And the Telco response by zeroryoko1974 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here, Mr. Congressman have some money, we don't need no silly neutrality. How about free HBO for your family instead?

  4. Dead in the house by jandrese · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Every single name on this bill has a (D) next to it. It will never make it to the floor in the house.

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    1. Re:Dead in the house by just_another_sean · · Score: 2

      Not to mention the fact that Democrats get just as much money from Telcos/Cable Companies as Republicans. This is just hand waving and PR. If every member of the house was currently a Democrat I still don't think this would pass.

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    2. Re:Dead in the house by Aryden · · Score: 2

      it would get pork-barreled/ridered like any other to the point that it wouldn't look anything like the original bill.

  5. Re:just label ISP's as common carriers already by medv4380 · · Score: 2

    Basically. It would mean they could be regulated. The "Fit Willing and Able" part of being a common carrier would require them to upgrade as the regulations demanded. There is only one argument I see as valid against making ISP's common carriers, and that the resulting legal mess might make things chaotic for a few years, or even a decade. Too many legal/court things have been done under Information Services that changing would give a lot of lawyers a lot of money.

  6. Re:just label ISP's as common carriers already by Aryden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    common carriers just says they have to carry all traffic equally and without discrimination.

    You answered your own question.

  7. Not necessarily by dcooper_db9 · · Score: 2

    It might. I remember when the first bill was produced a bill to regulate telemarketing. The idea was a classic political maneuver. They'd introduce the bill to give the impression they gave a shit. Then they'd quietly kill the bill or gut it before it got too far. But it turned out that people were really tired of having their phone lines abused. So many people called or wrote their congressmen that they couldn't kill the bill. They did water it down over the years but it had a lot more teeth than they intended. So yes, getting involved matters. When a congressman knows that a lot of people are paying attention it affects how they vote.

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  8. Re:just label ISP's as common carriers already by mellon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The difference is that provisioning the last mile is what's expensive. Running fiber to the point of presence is easy. So if you regulate telcos as common carriers, suddenly you have competition between ISPs again, and so they can't pull that crap.

  9. Re:Bad idea by maccodemonkey · · Score: 2

    I predicted this would happen. As soon as lawmakers figured out there was this thing called peering they'd freak out and try to control it. The discussion went from treating each packet the same to controlling peering. How long will it take for lawmakers to completely screw up the Internet? Much of what I see about net neutrality is like reading people's thoughts on organic food. Small bits of truth, but mostly junk. Now turn that ignorance over to the power of the Federal government. No good can come of this.

    So basically between 1 in 4 to 1 in 2 packets going over the ISP's transit link will be Netflix data. Why would an ISP do that if they have the option to peer directly with Netflix? It makes absolutely no sense. Any spike in Netflix data will cause everyone's connection to be crap. Not just Netflix users, everyone. This is not helping the potential competitor to Netflix, it is hurting them! Peering is a good thing! Please stop trying to regulate it.

    Peering isn't the same thing as enforcing QOS on the last mile of the connection. ISP's should be free to peer. They shouldn't be free to force QOS on end users. Having Netflix as a peer is entirely different than having my cable modem hard enforce download speeds of X everywhere, except Netflix which gets a download speed of Y. That's an artificial limitation.

  10. Re:Free... Yeah by riverat1 · · Score: 2

    Free as in liberty.