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BlackBerry Back In Profit

An anonymous reader sends word that BlackBerry, hit hard over the past several years by the emergence of smart phones, has come back to profitability. BlackBerry has been fighting an uphill battle to stay relevant in the world of mobile devices. It has lost market share to Apple, companies like Samsung that offer gadgets running on Google's Android operating system, and Microsoft. But John Chen, who took over as CEO in November, has injected new life to the company. Chen, who says BlackBerry is getting close to breaking even on its hardware business, has steered the company's focus more towards software. He's made several product announcements that Wall Street has cheered. Last month, the company launched its Project Ion, an initiative to develop more connected devices ... a trend dubbed the Internet of Things. On Wednesday, BlackBerry reached a deal with Amazon that will let users of BlackBerry's newest operating system access Android apps in Amazon's appstore later this fall.

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  1. Blackberry - only vendor serious about security by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Blackberry may make a comeback as the "big business smartphone". All the other smartphones are slaves to Apple or Google or a carrier. Blackberry phones are slaves to the enterprise Blackberry server, and Blackberry itself doesn't see phone traffic. Blackberry is the only major vendor serious about security and encryption. Everybody else is into advertising revenue.

    1. Re:Blackberry - only vendor serious about security by beefoot · · Score: 1

      > Blackberry is the only major vendor serious about security and encryption.

      They are serious about security or compression? I think it was latter. Compression was necessary to minimize data usage. Back in the days where GPRS was considered extremely FAST. They needed compression to make communication on their device bearable. I think security was an after thought. Just my opinion.

      Having said that, a BB10 is not much different comparing to other smart phones in term of how it is retrieving webpages, emails, etc.

    2. Re:Blackberry - only vendor serious about security by Tapewolf · · Score: 1

      Certainly they were - the old Blackberry OS was FIPS-certified. At the time, about 3 years ago, it was the only phone platform we could find that matched the government security requirements the company I worked for needed for a tender, and that was unfortunate, because the old OS is shit and horrific to program against.

      I do not know if the QNX-based OS was ever secured as tightly as OS7.

    3. Re:Blackberry - only vendor serious about security by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      It's better than some of their prospects; but I wouldn't be wildly optimistic.

      Neither iDevices nor androids have the FIPS-certified seriousness of the classic blackberries; but both have been receiving their share of attention from vendors interested in (either at the level of a single app that speaks EAS and refuses to talk to system-wide storage of contacts and other information that would normally bleed the first time somebody downloaded the SpamSocial app of the day, or on the level of 'MDM' stuff that puts the entire phone under IT's benevolent administration) making them more amenable to the needs of business customers.

      At the same time, Blackberry hasn't shown any particularly clever strategy for maintaining privacy and security once they try to add those features that helped the other smartphones murder them in the first place. BIS, for anyone not looking to run a BES in house, possessed essentially no virtues whatsoever, security or otherwise, and the only thing that kept the 'App world' from being the same roiling shit sandwich of advertising surveillance, applications that are little more than upload utilities to ill-secured 3rd party services, and so on, was the fact that it is effectively empty.

    4. Re:Blackberry - only vendor serious about security by kqs · · Score: 2

      Selling your eyeballs and your habits are pretty strictly in Google's and Microsoft's purview.

      Yeah, not so much. Though based on news reports they're not not very good at it yet.

    5. Re:Blackberry - only vendor serious about security by harperska · · Score: 2

      iAd is the coolest, most advanced advertising delivery platform not used by anybody.

    6. Re:Blackberry - only vendor serious about security by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1, Interesting

      They are so serious they were the last company in telecom to let UAE/India/Saudi Arabia etc snoop on BB traffic.

      FTFY

      The only reason you heard about BlackBerry caving was because they fought it for 3 years. All the other carriers and OEM's had already capitulated or were so insecure India didn't even have to ask. So yea...they care about the security of their customers. And FYI that was only for BIS traffic. They designed BES specifically to prevent anyone, even BlackBerry, from compromising their security.

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    7. Re:Blackberry - only vendor serious about security by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Selling your eyeballs and your habits are pretty strictly in Google's and Microsoft's purview.

      Yeah, not so much. Though based on news reports they're not not very good at it yet.

      iAds? They're a joke. First, Apple doesn't give out customer information - at least not to the extent the competition (i.e., Google/AdMob) does. And the exorbitant buy in fee?

      To be honest, I think the ONLY reason Apple has iAds is because Google is paying Apple off. Remember when the DoJ was investigating Google's purchase of AdMob? What did they see as "competition"? Yes, iAds.

      Now, given AdMob's practically 99% marketshare (they do web, app, etc advertising on Android, iOS, Windows Phone, ...) versus iAds practically nil marketshare (and only on iOS),

      I can't even see iAds being a significant revenue source for Apple, and Apple's killed projects that did more. (To be honest, the only iAds I see are ads about... iAds)

      Steve Jobs introduced iAds to the world back in 2010 as part of the iOS 5 or something release. I don't know about you, but 4 years later, there's no business reason to have it. Sure, NIH, maybe, but given its rather pathetic performance (Apple's letting devs use it to advertise their apps too, now, and yet I don't see it happening), you'd think Apple would shutter it. The fact they're not probably indicates a backrrom deal. Probably Google pays Apple enough money to keep it running as part of the whole Google default payment.

  2. Bogus turn around. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The CEO cut his way to profitability. Its an old cheap trick that usually helps only the CEO's bonuses/compensation and in the meantime, hurts the company's long term prospects.

    The deal with Amazon? Pfft. BFD.

    RIM/Blackberry will be back in the red by year end.

    RIM is mostly dead and even Miracle Max can't help them.

    1. Re:Bogus turn around. by harperska · · Score: 1

      The CEO has proven that, underlying Blackberry, there is a real profitable business which is swamped by development costs.

      Not necessarily. It depends on what it is that was cut. The problem with cost-cutting and downsizing to get into the black is that it is hard as an outsider to tell the difference between cutting genuinely unnecessary overhead and gutting the organization. If the cuts are just general downsizing, any appearance of increasing profitability is temporary and illusory. A useful oversimplification is that you essentially spend money now to make a product you sell tomorrow, whether it's in R&D now for products to be made in the future, or just the time it takes a product to move through the supply chain. So it is possible that the cuts are making them look profitable because they are currently selling what they made yesterday with yesterday's level of spending, while shooting themselves in the foot by eliminating the means to make something to sell tomorrow.

    2. Re:Bogus turn around. by davester666 · · Score: 1

      They are doing the "sell the properties we own/lease them back so we can continue to do business" thing for another short-term cash injection...

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  3. Outside of North America by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

    I recently got back from a trip to Latin America. Blackerries were *everywhere,* with everyone BBMing like mad. iPhones were almost non-existent, with a smattering of older Android devices. I think we tend to take an America / Western Europe approach when in fact it's apparent that BB remains strong in 'emerging' markets.

    1. Re:Outside of North America by beefoot · · Score: 1

      BB was strong in Indonesia. It is just a matter of time before others catching up with the rest of the world. I believe they may survive if they focus on businesses and governments customers.

    2. Re:Outside of North America by Stormwatch · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That was not Brazil, I assume. I've only seen a Blackberry here once, in some in-store kiosk, years before smartphones became mainstream. Nowadays, everyone has Androids, iPhones, even WP, while Blackberry has vanished.

    3. Re:Outside of North America by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      The trouble with 'emerging' markets is that they aren't a strong position, even if you are the strongest player in them.

      If they do manage to be 'emerging' in the sense of actually getting wealthier over time, you'd better have a compelling reason why they should continue buying from you, rather than starting to buy the toys that they couldn't previously afford, which (barring some significant cultural variable) is a very real possibility in Blackberry's case since those toys have already demonstrated the ability to burn them out of the developed world pretty dramatically.

      If they are 'emerging' only in the euphemistic sense that they aren't actively decaying and do have more disposable income than subsistence mud farmers, you are in the less than enviable position of competing on price for customers who don't have much money. Best case, you remain king of a relatively small pie. Worst case, some anonymous android ODM's lowest-spec device undercuts you and your customers have very limited ability to pay a premium for your products, even if they actually like you.

    4. Re:Outside of North America by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      The school kids on my bus in the morning used to spend their journeys using BBM on their blackberries. Now they have cheap Androids and converse on WhatsApp.

    5. Re:Outside of North America by puto · · Score: 1

      Really? In Colombia Blackberries are going the way of the dodo. Cheap androids, iphones, and windows mobiles are the norm. The only people you really see with blackberries are people who have bought them off of Mercado Libre. A big clue in all of latin america is that I would say 80 percent of the people who have a blackberry have it for show and do not have a data plan, and just use them for plain text. I would also say this goes for Peru, Ecuador, Chile, and Argentina. Even when I was working between those countries in 2010-2011 blackberries were dropping in share. You also have to realize that people in Latin America will keep an iphone or an android in one pocket, and a blackberry or cheap phone in the other. They only haul out the expensive one when they are relatively safe.

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  4. If only financial engineering was a viable product by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    Does anyone really think Blackberry has any chance of long-term survival in its current form? A true turnaround can't occur if your revenues are in death spiral and businesses avoid you like a leper.

  5. Re:Only keyboard smartphone by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...and that's not necessarily a bad thing. I can still type significantly faster on a physical Blackberry keyboard than I can on any virtual keyboard. Back when I was carrying Blackberry, the difference between the BB and the touch-only devices seemed to be similar to the difference between a laptop and a tablet. The former is for content creation. The latter is for content consumption.

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  6. Re: Blackberry - only vendor serious about securit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Right. Super serious about security, enough to give the decryption keys to any country that asks. I feel very safe knowing the Indian and Saudi governments can read any of my messages.

  7. Re:Blackberry will probably be my next phone by urbanriot · · Score: 1

    You referred to many aspects of a phone that everyone seems to ignore. I despise calling some of my Android using friends as the call quality on their end is absolute crap, while people can't discern whether I'm on a land line or mobile when they speak to me on my Blackberry Bold or my iPhone 5. I'm sure there are Android phones that have excellent clarity but it seems most people forget about what I consider to be the most important criteria when purchasing a phone. Blackberry has never failed me in that category.

  8. Curious definition of "Profit" by gavron · · Score: 1

    The slashdot headline says "..Back in Profit." Unfortunately not so.

    The original article is informative. Under Chen's leadership Blackberry has
    increased their profitability so they are no longer losing so much money.

    They are, however, NOT PROFITABLE. Their loss prior to some accounting
    tricks (that will make the number worse) is $0.11/shr. That means an
    investor holding 1000 shares just lost $110 (if he/she sold them).

    While profitability as a measure of how well a company performs is good,
    and acknowledging that LOSING MILLIONS is a lot better than LOSING
    HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS (see e.g. Radio Shack)... Blackberry has a
    long long way to go.

    The article ends with the two avenues Blackberry is pursuing: hardware and
    software (how inventive, right?)
    - Hardware: they're going to try and create Internet enabled gadgets. As
    Blackberry's core hardware competence has always been its bundled
    business services this is a big departure. They fight uphill against
    Samsung watches, Apple gizmos, Google's Nest, etc.
    - Sofware: They bought the right to allow their product to access the
    Amazon Play Store (android apps from Amazon only). The win here
    is they prove their product REALLY CAN run android apps. The lose
    is that instead of opening it up to the Google Play store (most
    android apps) they've allowed a limited (by Amazon) subset of apps,
    and most designed to siphon extra $$$ and hand them off to Amazon.
    This is something we can expect to see Amazon touting as a win in
    it's 10Q.

    I wish them well. I was surprised by the headline. BlackBerry is
    doing well to reduce loss, and less loss is higher profitability, but
    they're still chewing threw their cash and unless they stem and
    correct that they will be gone.

    E

  9. Don't need Amazon appstore; BB can access Google's by Prune · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just use Snap to get full access to Google's Android app store. It's unofficial, but works great. Not all Android apps work, but plenty do. http://redlightoflove.com/snap...

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  10. Re: Blackberry - only vendor serious about securit by msobkow · · Score: 1

    BTW, that happens to include "friendly" governments like those of the UK, US, Canada, and Australia.

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  11. That's unpossible by kuhnto · · Score: 1

    That's unpossible

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  12. Re:Only keyboard smartphone by harperska · · Score: 1

    Except for all of the content creation that is happening on iPads. There is a lot of content outside of what is best made with a physical qwerty keyboard. It might not be a majority in any field, but it is certainly far from nonexistent and not as simple as the black and white dichotomy sound byte people like to repeat.

  13. Re:Blackberry will probably be my next phone by harperska · · Score: 1

    Do your Android using friends have high end models like whatever the latest Samsung Galaxy is? Because Android has become the favorite OS for low-end crapphones foisted on people who would have opted for a simple flip phone but are forced into buying a smartphone because nobody makes flip phones anymore. I would not be surprised if those phones sound like crap, but it would be odd if flagship Android phones had poor call quality as well.

  14. Re:Blackberry will probably be my next phone by graphius · · Score: 1
    I would say the exact opposite.

    My personal phone is a nexus 5. I was given a blackberry z-10 as a work phone. In almost every way I prefer the Android. Better keyboard, better predective text. better sound quality, better screen, better camera...

    I do like the blackberry hub, and in some ways I like the Blackberry approach to email.

    In summary, I would say the Blackberry is a decent communication device and a crappy pocket computer. The Nexus 5 is an excellent pocket computer and a decent communication device.

  15. Re:Only keyboard smartphone by Collective+0-0009 · · Score: 1

    I have personally witnessed "content creation" once on an iPad. Just once, so far in their existance.

    And you know what... the "sales engineer" looked like a complete retard typing on the thing. Couldn't believe he worked in a development shop because it was like watching a car mechanic type up your invoice details after some repairs; painful. I really wanted to hand him my laptop and ask him to switch to it.

    There may be some content being created on tablets, but by and far, it is used for consumption. We have a long way to go before there is going to be vast content created from a tablet (note that a tablet with a kickstand and keyboard don't count). So chastising isn't in order.

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  16. Re:Only keyboard smartphone by harperska · · Score: 2

    That's why I said "outside of what is best made with a qwerty keyboard". I am not arguing that the iPad is just fine for all content creation. Not all content is typed, and I specifically excluded typing for a reason. For example, I have heard a lot of musical people are performing and composing with iPad apps. In fact, composing on the go can be easier on an iPad than on a laptop, as a qwerty keyboard is definitely not optimized for musical note input whereas an iPad app can display a piano keyboard for input just as easily.

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  18. "more profitable" doesn't mean "making a profit" by gavron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The slashdot headline says "..Back in Profit." Unfortunately not so.

    The original article is informative. Under Chen's leadership Blackberry has
    increased their profitability so they are no longer losing so much money.

    They are, however, NOT PROFITABLE. Their loss prior to some accounting
    tricks (that will make the number worse) is $0.11/shr. That means an
    investor holding 1000 shares just lost $110 (if he/she sold them).

    While profitability as a measure of how well a company performs is good,
    and acknowledging that LOSING MILLIONS is a lot better than LOSING
    HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS (see e.g. Radio Shack)... Blackberry has a
    long long way to go.

    The article ends with the two avenues Blackberry is pursuing: hardware and
    software (how inventive, right?)
    - Hardware: they're going to try and create Internet enabled gadgets. As
    Blackberry's core hardware competence has always been its bundled
    business services this is a big departure. They fight uphill against
    Samsung watches, Apple gizmos, Google's Nest, etc.
    - Sofware: They bought the right to allow their product to access the
    Amazon Play Store (android apps from Amazon only). The win here
    is they prove their product REALLY CAN run android apps. The lose
    is that instead of opening it up to the Google Play store (most
    android apps) they've allowed a limited (by Amazon) subset of apps,
    and most designed to siphon extra $$$ and hand them off to Amazon.
    This is something we can expect to see Amazon touting as a win in
    it's 10Q.

    I wish them well. I was surprised by the headline. BlackBerry is
    doing well to reduce loss, and less loss is higher profitability, but
    they're still chewing threw their cash and unless they stem and
    correct that they will be gone.

    E

  19. Dead company walking by Cute+Fuzzy+Bunny · · Score: 1

    Selling phones below cost and major cost cutting doesn't turn into a positive long term trend. It just gets the CEO paid well for a while, nice golden parachute and lines them up for a job with a company that actually has a chance of surviving.

    I like blackberry. Good solid hardware. The OS is far better than ios or android, at least until recently. The security is excellent.

    But they rested on their laurels too long and everything they're doing now is too little, too late. I'm sure that certain verticals will keep using their stuff for a while, but the world has moved on.

  20. Re: Blackberry - only vendor serious about securit by PuppyPaws · · Score: 1

    Of course they're back to profitable. They fired everyone in customer support.

  21. Re: Blackberry - only vendor serious about securit by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

    Right. Super serious about security, enough to give the decryption keys to any country that asks. I feel very safe knowing the Indian and Saudi governments can read any of my messages.

    Actually, they can't read all messages. Even RIM can't read all messages.

    There are two modes a Blackberry can work in - BES mode and BIS mode. BES mode is when your Blackberry is attached to a Blackberry Enterprise Server machine. What happens in this case is all traffic between your phone and BES is encrypted with a per-device key known only to BES and your phone. While your phone forwards traffic to RIM (or a country server), that traffic is encrypted using that key, and no one handling the traffic between your phone and BES can see it. Basically your phone sends data to RIM, and RIM forwards it onto your BES server, but RIM cannot see the traffic as the keys are held by BES and the phone.

    In BIS mode (Blackberry Internet Service, I think) which is the "consumer" mode of operation, RIM etc., hold the keys. Your traffic is encrypted by the phone and decrypted by RIM before being sent on the general Internet (unencypted). The only people who cannot see the traffic is the carriers and gateways between the carrier and RIM.

    The country servers that do the decryption can decrypt in this mode as well, for obvious reasons.

    It's a fairly secure setup, as long as you're attached to BES. The phones you buy from a carrier and you enter your POP or IMAP information into? Not so much.

  22. Re:Only keyboard smartphone by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    The majority of the iPads I see have physical keyboards. I doubt they're as good as my desktop keyboard, but they're a lot more portable.

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