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The New 501(c)(3) and the Future of Open Source In the US

An anonymous reader writes: If you're involved in the free and open-source software movement — especially in the United States — you may want to read through this, as long as it may seem. It appears that the United States' Internal Revenue Service has strongly shifted its views of free and open-source software, and to the detriment of the movement, in my opinion. From the article: "The IRS reasons that since Yorba’s open source software may be used for any purpose, Yorba is not a charity. Consider all the for-profit and non-charitable ways the Apache server is used; I’d still argue Apache is a charitable organization. (What else could it be?) There’s a charitable organization here in San Francisco that plants trees throughout the city for the benefit of all. If one of their tree’s shade falls on a cafe table and cools the cafe’s patrons as they enjoy their espressos, does that mean the tree-planting organization is no longer a charity?"

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  1. Don't mention the tree-planting thing! by halivar · · Score: 5, Funny

    You'll only give them ideas.

    1. Re:Don't mention the tree-planting thing! by BenSchuarmer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Trees produce oxygen. There's no telling who might be inhaling that oxygen!!! They could be supporting not just commercial customers, but criminals and terrorists!!!!!

    2. Re:Don't mention the tree-planting thing! by Archtech · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The IRS and corporations have this in common: they want everything to be measured in terms of money, and have no interest in anything that can't be measured in money. Consequently, they mistrust and dislike anything that is exchanged freely: they see it as theft from them, as they are entitled to a cut of every transaction.

      Let's barter informally as much as we can, just to spite the bastards.

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  2. 501(c)(3) Classes by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the wikis: charitable, religious, educational, scientific, literary, testing for public safety

    Why do you need to be charity? Why not educational/scientific?

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    1. Re:501(c)(3) Classes by itzly · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why not religion ? Stallman makes a decent prophet.

    2. Re:501(c)(3) Classes by asylumx · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why not religion ? Stallman makes a decent prophet.

      But very little actual profit.

      Well then he won't make a very good religion...

    3. Re:501(c)(3) Classes by Moryath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most open-source "foundations" have been operating in a "give away the razor, sell the blades" mentality.

      Give away the razor (base software), sell the blades (support contracts / phone support / specific pay-for-implementation requests / etc).

      I can see why the IRS is having a hard time taking claims of being a nonprofit or public-benefit company seriously when that's examined. It's kind of taking the "how to make money off FOSS" instructions constantly published in the community at face value.

    4. Re:501(c)(3) Classes by 605dave · · Score: 4, Funny

      Which ones are the good ones again? I get confused.

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    5. Re:501(c)(3) Classes by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pastafarianism, Discordianism, Kopimism.

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    6. Re:501(c)(3) Classes by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think I'm going to convert to Improvism. They let you make up the religious rules as you go along.

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    7. Re:501(c)(3) Classes by krashnburn200 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In other religions THEY make up the rules as you go along,

  3. ah by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So... a non lawyer got a request from the IRS to explain his charitable status, they decided he wasn't a charity, and now he's posting to a blog that the entire open source world is coming to an end? I think dude needs to spend more time getting a lawyer and less time posting to slashdot.

    I HATE the IRS with a passion. This stuff should be easy. But the fact of the matter is, it's not. You need legal representation if you're going to be a 501(c)

    Then we have this: "We have no plans to appeal their decision."
    ok... so what's the point of this post? If you're agreeing with them, I don't get it. If you're not agreeing with them, but just rolling over, then you deserve what you get.

  4. Not a precedent by mark-t · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While this might seem to suck, I know from first-hand inquiries that it is not possible to allow a charitable organization such as a church, for example, that has a kitchen to allow their kitchen to be used even by one of its own members for any kind of commercial purpose, even if the church receives absolutely *NO* benefit from said use. Allowing it would jeopardize the church's tax-exempt status, so it's not allowed.

    Really, if you want to be a charity, then you can't allow your resources to be used by people with commercial interests. Sucks for open source organizations that want to act as charities, and I can see it being detrimental for some donations because I know that getting a tax exemption does motivate some people to donate.

    But bear in mind that if tax-exemption were really the only reason or even the primary reason why people might donate to a cause or organization that they may believe in, it's highly unlikely that something like crowdfunding would ever work, and we have plenty of evidence to show that it does.

  5. Re:Executive Branch by disposable60 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the current president is mega-corporate bitch;

    Unlike which of the previous several?

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  6. Re:They've got a point. by rjstanford · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I recommend reading the excellent IRS writeup posted at http://yorba.org/docs/IRS-dete... by the way.

    One of the key phrases:

    Developing Open Source Software Is An Activity Ordinarily Carried On As An Incident To Commercial Or Industrial Operations

    In a nutshell, Yorba failed to properly differentiate themselves from a traditional for-profit company. As a for-profit software company owner, I'd say that that's a fair statement. If Yorba was actively engaging in outreach to provide free software to schools (and then incidentally released it to the public), again that would be different.

    When you apply for 501(c)3 status you're asking that the general public subsidize your business. Its not unreasonable to require a significant burden of proof before such a federal subsidy is granted.

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  7. Re:Rich? Ok. For the good of the society: Never. by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The U.S. is becoming a country in which only the government gets what they want.

    How about:

    The U.S. is becoming a country in which the government does what they're told by their corporate overlords.

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