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Bug In Fire TV Screensaver Tears Through 250 GB Data Cap

jfruh (300774) writes Tech writer Tyler Hayes had never come close to hitting the 250 GB monthly bandwidth cap imposed by Cox Cable — until suddenly he was blowing right through it, eating up almost 80 GB a day. Using the Mac network utility little snitch, he eventually tracked down the culprit: a screensaver on his new Kindle Fire TV. A bug in the mosaic screensaver caused downloaded images to remain uncached.

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  1. It's 2014 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why do we still have these antiquated data caps?

    Oh, that's right, greed.

    1. Re:It's 2014 by bondsbw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why do we still have these antiquated data caps?

      Because we still have antiquated data lines and switches and whatnot that can only handle so much total bandwidth.

      I don't care for caps either, but if they protect my paid-for bandwidth from abusers like Mr. Hayes (yes I know, it's not his fault, whatever it's still keeping me from streaming) then I'm ok with it to a degree.

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    2. Re:It's 2014 by RobertJ1729 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And why do we still have antiquated data lines and switches and whatnot when we are paying through the nose for internet access?

    3. Re:It's 2014 by rossdee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More to the point, its 2014 - do we have to have screensavers?
      The original reason for a screensaver was to prevent phosphor burn on the old monochrome CRT screens. They make no sense in this day of digital LED and LCD screens. These days the best screensaver is turn off the display, especially on mobile devices to save battery, but it would also be good for plugged in devices, tp save power (probably generated by burning some carbon containing fuel.

    4. Re: It's 2014 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Only 10 GB? That's rough.

    5. Re:It's 2014 by bondsbw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because of greed.

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    6. Re:It's 2014 by e3m4n · · Score: 5, Informative

      you are already paying for this... SEVERAL times the goddamn major TELCO's lobbied congress for additional charges...

      FEDERAL SUBSCRIBER LINE fees
      UNIVERSAL SERVICES FUNDs
      FEDERAL ACCESS fees

      these all exist so the FCC can give ATT more money to build broadband to every home. Yes the USF predates the 1994 telecom act and later laws, but its constanty evolving. The FCC, right this minute, is considering USF charges on your internet connection as well.

      the telcos got government permission to bill you and everyone else extra BILLIONS to build out an infrastructure that was supposed to provide 50Mbps connections to the homes. Instead they rolled out DSL (at the time 1.5mbps x 256kbps) which was a technology they already had and pocketed the rest. To this day you are still being charged these extra fee's for a buildout that was declared 'completed' years ago.

      http://www.newnetworks.com/Sho...

    7. Re:It's 2014 by stealth_finger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why do we still have these antiquated data caps?

      Oh, that's right, greed.

      Why does a screensaver, on a TV no less, need the fucking internet?

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    8. Re:It's 2014 by e3m4n · · Score: 5, Informative

      That was its old use... havent you read up on the USF being applied to internet connectivity? It currently is only levied on interstate long distance. You do realize that in 2003 it was only 5% and now its 16.3% right?

      I know of one company scamming the USF right now. He claims its all legal, but he sells phone service to nursing homes. Why a phone company should be getting $4000 a month to deliver a single PRI to a nursing home is ridiculous, but he charges for a dedicated line in each and every room of the facility and only drops in a single PRI. The concurrent call count for all the rooms combined is maybe 6 including the nursing staff using the phones. So to defraud the government for all these 'lines' that dont really exist is insane.

    9. Re:It's 2014 by e3m4n · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bullshit, I am a small ITSP and I cannot get any USF money. Yet when I go around into government housing I see signs everywhere about 'need a land line? cant afford it?' and those signs are for ATT. They are giving them 'free' phone service and collecting $50 from the USF for that basic residential analog POTS line. The original intent was similar to those rural electrification subsidies. Those days are long gone. Now its just another nightmare like those medicare scams "If you have medicare and want one of these motorized carts, you cant be denied for any reason" even if you happen to be on medicare but just ran the Boston marathon.

    10. Re:It's 2014 by jratcliffe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you think that the $ AT&T is getting from USF is at all meaningful to them, or comes even close to the benefit they'd get from being able to raise their other rates to capture the 15%+ USF tax (i.e. instead of consumer paying $100, USF getting 15, and AT&T getting 85, AT&T could get 95, and consumer's bill would drop), you really haven't thought much about this.

      As for your complaint that USF subsidizes the wrong things, I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the program is designed to ensure that every household in the US, even if poor, rural, or both, has phone service.

    11. Re:It's 2014 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And why do we still have antiquated data lines and switches and whatnot when we are paying through the nose for internet access?

      Because we are using the wrong payment model for internet access. It should be metered like virtually everything else. Then ISPs would have the incentive to strengthen their networks, since more capacity means more usage means more profit. Under the current model their maximum profit is made the instant you pay, before you use a single bit. It's backwards.

    12. Re:It's 2014 by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do you speak from experience? I am and the real roadblock is cost and market inertia.

      If I wanted to invest a lot of money into fiber optics and spend the next 10 to 20 years recouping my capital investment I do not believe city hall would be my roadblock. I would need to convince my investors and bank that we could recoup our money and make a profit despite the established carriers using their size and mostly paid for infrastructure to undercut us.

      The reason that Comcast and others are offering higher bandwidths (without raising the cap) is not because of consumer demand but to defend their territory. It's hard to convince the bank that you will offer something not available elsewhere when they see commercials for "up to 150 mbps" offered at a price below what you would have to charge just to break even.

      The only way I would be able to even apply for a permit and pay the franchise fees is by making an insane amount of profit in an internet related venture and I wanted to spend some of the profits to have direct access to my customers (or users). This would not only allowed me to experiment with services that require high bandwidth but also provide good public relations stories to advertise in my other markets. You know like Google does. Also notice how many large cities compete for their next fiber deployment.

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    13. Re:It's 2014 by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because we have monopolies (or duopolies) in most regions of the US when it comes to ISPs. I have Time Warner Cable where I live. No FIOS or any other wired, high speed ISP. What incentive does Time Warner Cable have to improve their infrastructure when they can just raise my rates, give me the same service they've always given me, and make more money knowing I have no other choice?

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    14. Re:It's 2014 by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Government bans competition. You can't very well expect an agency that claims a "natural monopoly" to not consider other "natural monopolies" both wise and judicious.

      Not true. Anyone can start an ISP as long as they are willing to pay for the infrastructure to deliver the last mile connection to their customers.

      And in instances where under-served areas tried to create their own municipal broadband network, the ISPs that weren't serving them sued to stop them or got their lobbied state officials to pass laws declaring that illegal.

      Community fiber is still the answer - there are just so many hurdles that make it slow in coming.

      You just criticized both the government and lack of competition and your answer is to eliminate competition and let the government run it?

      If a community isn't being served by an existing ISP, why is municipal broadband "eliminating competition"? If an area has an ISP but they are refusing to improve service, how is adding a municipal broadband option eliminating competition? Is the presence of the USPS eliminating competition from FedEx and UPS?

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    15. Re:It's 2014 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Since no one else has answered: FireTV has two screensaver options. The first rotates through preloaded images. The second allows you to point to an online album and it will use your pictures. He is obviously using the latter, but for whatever reason Amazon has it redownload the pictures every time.

    16. Re:It's 2014 by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      foam rubber bobbies

      Haha, you said -

      Oh, wait, you didn't. Sad face.

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  2. Why do we have screen savers? by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why do we still have these antiquated data caps?

    I would ask why we still have screen savers. Turning off the monitor automatically after a period of inactivity to save power I understand. Having it still draw power to put pretty images on the screen when you aren't using it is a pointless exercise. Screen burn-in is not a big problem these days, particularly if you have the monitor/tv turn off when not in active use.

    1. Re:Why do we have screen savers? by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Informative

      Burn is a huge problem on plasma screens and there are still lots of those out there, there is NO WAY a set top box maker should be shipping something without a screen saver on by default!

      It would be nice if they had settings to turn it off if you wanted and maybe even send a CEC power off to the TV if you like, but at the very least set top boxes still MUST have a screen saver. Now in another 10 years when most of the plasma TVs have been put out to pasture, it will be a different story.

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    2. Re:Why do we have screen savers? by DraugTheWhopper · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I would ask why we still have screen savers

      Although it isn't a hard-and-fast rule, screensavers nowadays are less about preventing burn-in and more about utilizing idle displays. For example, on a Linux-based machine, it's not unusual to have screensaver options that let you display the system load and uptime. Photo screensavers are another prime example. If I'm in my home office for an hour at a time, but only using the computer for 10 minutes, why not have my otherwise idle screen act as a large digital photo frame? You are correct in asserting that power consumption is an issue, but display technology has come a long way, so my 24" monitor draws much less power than my 19" CRT. Reducing power usage is a wonderful slogan, but modern society has a very poor grasp on exactly how much power their devices consume compared to their microwave, water heater, air conditioning, dusk-to-dawn lighting, and other amenities. It's great to hear that your cell-phone charger now reduces it's power consumption by 95% when not in use, but do you have any idea how that compares to an running your AC and heat an extra day each fall/spring, microwaving your pre-cooked meal every other night? /rant

    3. Re:Why do we have screen savers? by nabsltd · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can't have burn in when it's a blank black screen.

      LCDs use more power when displaying a completely black screen (since they have to charge the cell to have the crystals become non-transparent), and thus are more likely to get a dark image "stuck".

      Turn off the video signal to the monitor and let the power saver mode kick in.

      The problem is that a reasonable timeout that will provide you some sort of protection is way too short if the power to the display is truly being turned off. It takes my TV about 5 seconds to recognize that the video signal has come back, and it would be very painful if after two minutes (my screensaver timeouts on boxes I can configure) of pause, I have to hit some "do nothing" button to wake up the display so that I can then hit play and not miss anything.

      Also, if you have any of the auto-sensing video switches/receivers, it's a real pain when then source signal completely disappears, as the unit switches to the next input with a signal.

  3. Re:Why can't by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When you grow up and buy a house, you're going to be shocked how other utilities work. They charge you for the capacity of your connection, then charge you for the amount of product you move through it. Water for example. My last house was around $62 to have the 1/2" connection. That's it. Just the potential to move water into my house. That cost went from about $35 for 1/4" to hundreds of dollars for larger pipes. Once I flushed a toilet, the usage meter started ticking and I paid $2.73 per 100 cubic feet of water. The usage rate was constant all the way from a 1/4" to 6" connection. That's how all the utilities were set up. A monthly fee for the connection based on capacity, a per-unit cost for the amount delivered. And, if you have a water leak, they rarely give you a warning. They just send a bill.

    Cable and internet are the oddballs that charge a flat "connection" rate with no metered usage. That works for cable TV but not so much for internet which functions more like water or electricity. Trouble with internet is they'll cut you off for using "too much" of their product but don't give you a way to purchase more of it. I wouldn't mind the caps so much if they'd give an accurate measure of usage and the option to purchase additional product at $10 per hundred gigs or so. That seems reasonableish to me. But they don't want you paying for the product that you use. They want you paying for product that you don't use.

  4. Re:If some idiot leaves a space heater running 24/ by ThomasBHardy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have a hard time equating the cost center of a power company generating finite amounts of power that is sold to users with the "mostly fixed and generally stable" cost of maintaining connectivity for the IPSs.

    You do realize that we're not "consuming 1s and 0s that the ISP has to go out and manufacture, right?

    I'm not suggesting that every person should have the ability to have unlimited speed and unlimited capacity(bandwidth), but lets not paint a picture of US IPSs as working tirelessly to upgrade infrastructure and provide lower cost, improved service. It's not a competitive market, driving towards improvement. It's in their best interest to raise prices any way they can, such as through caps. It's Not in their interest to spend billions on new infrastructure to improve services and lower consumer costs, because they have no true competition driving market forces to make them improve.

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  5. Little Snitch by mindstormpt · · Score: 3, Informative

    The summary is obviously wrong: Little Snitch, as a local traffic monitor, was only used to rule out his Mac being the culprit. He got to the Fire TV by trial and error.

  6. Re:Why can't by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Bandwidth isn't like water or electricity. You either use it in the moment or don't. You can't save it for later.

    So, you don't have caches in your world?

    It's really about data, not bandwidth. Just like your utilities connection is about water or electricity, not pipes or wires.

    In fact, that's what this *article* is about--the TV should've saved data for later, but didn't.

  7. Re:Why can't by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Meter internet connections are available, it's just that ISPs choose not to offer them because they want to label their products UNLIMITED* for marketing reasons.

    One of the biggest issues is that you can't control your downstream usage - if someone picks a random IP address allocated to a home users and floods it with traffic their monthly usage will rocket, even though their router drops every packet. People who use P2P apps discover that even though they closed the app other clients keep trying to connect to them and send them UDP packets, sometimes at a quite terrific rate.

    * Limited.

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  8. Re:Expect this to happen more constantly by geekmux · · Score: 3, Funny

    with several home appliances going IP. And this was just a bug, not a worm/virus.

    You have a funny way of spelling feature...