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Rightscorp Pushing ISPs To Disconnect Repeat Infringers

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Torrentfreak acquired slides from the Anti-Piracy and Content Protection Summit indicating that Rightscorp wants ISPs to disconnect repeat copyright infringers, and that 140 small ISPs are already doing so. From the article: Christopher Sabec, CEO of Rightscorp, says that they have been in talks with various Internet providers urging them to step up their game. Thus far a total of 140 ISPs are indeed following this disconnection principle. ... By introducing disconnections Rightcorp hopes to claim more settlements to increase the company’s revenue stream. They offer participating ISPs a tool to keep track of the number of warnings each customer receives, and the providers are encouraged to reconnect the subscribers if the outstanding bills have been paid. ... Cutting off repeat infringers is also in the best interests of ISPs according to Rightscorp, who note that it is a requirement for all providers if they are to maintain their DMCA safe harbor. The presentation slides seem to indicate that Rightscorp is planning to go after the safe harbor protections that ISPs are given under the DMCA in order to force the issue.

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  1. Maintain DMCA safe harbor? by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How can a company be a threat to an ISP's DMCA safe harbor status without actual court decisions to back up their copyright infringement claims?

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    1. Re: Maintain DMCA safe harbor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They want to use the fear of some pre trail jail time to get people to pay up

    2. Re:Maintain DMCA safe harbor? by arbiter1 · · Score: 2

      Its pretty easy, all they gotta prove to the court is the ISP is allowing piracy to happen on their network and not taken any "reasonable" action to stop it. As for what is reasonable is the question. If court finds they haven't done enough then they can be held financially liable for what end users do. They tried it against google for videos on youtube, hence how they got backdoor access to delete shit with almost no oversight.

    3. Re:Maintain DMCA safe harbor? by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      The problem is that the safe harbor provision doesn't require ISPs or Network providers to do anything but remove claimed infringing content per a DMCA request and replace it per a counter claim. Well, that is as long as the infringing content is a product of the third party and not the ISP's actions.

      Doing that should legally be doing enough. This is a bit different than Youtube as youtube exists for the sole purpose of something similar to the copyrighted materials whereas ISPs are simply a carrier allowing you to make decisions on where to go and what to access or provide.

    4. Re:Maintain DMCA safe harbor? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The problem is that

      A problem is that... you mean. There are others.

      Like for example the fact that these download snoopers so far have not shown to have legal status to be enforcing anything. Like the fact that most of these "investigators" don't have anything that qualifies as legal evidence. Like the fact that they have been shown to be breaking the same laws they accuse others of breaking (you can't break the law to enforce the law). Like the fact that cutting off Internet service based on thin evidence of non-criminal wrongdoing is probably illegal.

      Oh, yes, there are MANY problems with this whole scheme. And a lot of it could be solved TOMORROW by the FCC choosing to regulate ISPs as Title II Common Carriers.

    5. Re:Maintain DMCA safe harbor? by easyTree · · Score: 2

      Surely they should be held at minimum partly responsible - I mean, how the hell did their stuff get all over the internet anyway?

      "My dog is not in our house, it's on your lawn - therefore you deserve jail time."

      Hello?

      Also, they seem pretty ironically named; "rightscorp" ? how about people's right to internet? to access all human knowledge (well, at least that part of all human knowledge which hasn't been locked inside the walls of academia, despite being funded by society at large) ? surely that trumps whatever petty bullshit you are referring to - some mere business interest which everyone is trained to pretend is somehow damaged when rightsholders allow their stuff to leak all over the internet due to failing to use appropriate measures to prevent it.

      Disclaimer: I didn't read the whole summary :S

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    6. Re:Maintain DMCA safe harbor? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Really what people should keep in mind here is that these "rights" groups aren't doing this to right any real social wrongs. They're doing it to make money. Plain and simple. Make money by threatening to make other suffer.

      If that's not a pretty good description of extortion, I don't know what is.

    7. Re:Maintain DMCA safe harbor? by easyTree · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I forget, is extortion illegal in the US at the moment? I'm just wondering, as bribing politicians appears to be legal.

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    8. Re:Maintain DMCA safe harbor? by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, yes, there are MANY problems with this whole scheme. And a lot of it could be solved TOMORROW by the FCC choosing to regulate ISPs as Title II Common Carriers.

      Actually, all this is probably exactly why the FCC is choosing not to regulate ISPs as common carriers. If they do that, then the copyright holders and the government have to do the legwork of tracking down and prosecuting copyright violators. The way it's set up now, they can just threaten the ISP and make the ISP do the busywork for them.

    9. Re: Maintain DMCA safe harbor? by Imrik · · Score: 2

      They'd have trouble justifying pre-trial jail time for a non-violent offense that doesn't necessarily require jail time as a punishment.

    10. Re:Maintain DMCA safe harbor? by Imrik · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Extortion is only illegal for those without strong legal teams.

    11. Re:Maintain DMCA safe harbor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "140 small ISPs"

      they are simply targeting those who cannot afford to defend themselves, their networks, their business, or their customers; or the rights to due process for all, from the perceived threat of a legal onslaught from big media.

  2. The most intriguing thing in this to me... by tlambert · · Score: 2

    The most intriguing thing in this to me... ...is that they were able to identify 140 ISPs, presumably 130 or so of which were not owned by a regional monopoly phone company or a cable company.

    1. Re:The most intriguing thing in this to me... by jlb.think · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The most intriguing thing in this to me... ...is that they were able to identify 140 ISPs, presumably 130 or so of which were not owned by a regional monopoly phone company or a cable company.

      One would be Nextech, owned by Rural Telephone, in northwest Kansas. I've recieved several phone calls from them, and they have shut off my internet before due to supposed infrining. Frankly I think what I do with my internet is none of their damn business. I've even got calls for running a Tor node (not exit) along with I2P. Giving ISP's common carrier status would solve the problem. Since Rural Telephone is a common carrier I wonder if it makes their subsidiary Nextech one too? No such luck I think.

  3. DMCA safe harbor irrelevant and hard to get by gavron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real question cleverly ignored by these rights-maximalists is
    "Is the ISP/provider responsible for the content posted by others."
    As we know, absent *ACTUAL INDUCEMENT TO INFRINGE*
    the answer is no. There is no secondary liability to ISPs nor
    reponsibility as per the CDA sec 230.

    Now if the ISPs *ACTUALLY INDUCE* (see Napster and possibly Mega,
    or so USDOJ says), then there is a POSSIBLE liability.
    THAT's the only thing providers need to fear, but instead they knee-jerk
    take down material.

    Note that the DMCA notice is not "DMCA Takedown notice" but rather
    "Notice of ***CLAIMED INFRINGEMENT***" (emphasis mine).

    A "safe harbor" doesn't mean that a LACK OF A SAFE HARBOR means
    instant guilt/civil liability. That is a fact lost on most knee-jerk ISPs.

    ISPs should pull up their big-boy shorts and quit taking it in the pants
    from every email-script that tells them to take down content because DMCA.

    E
    my script verifies that this is true under oath and here's my script-copied
    pgp signature because dmca.

  4. Keep this up by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And more tools will arise that will drive people so far underground they will never figure out who is doing what. And the more publicity they get, the more 'regular' people will learn there is free stuff out there.

    Lets call it the 'Napster effect'.. (tm)

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  5. Ya right by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Informative

    I used to work DMCA requests for a moderately large ISP. They are NOT disconnecting people for repeat abuse. They would never disconnect you because some 3rd party doesn't like what your using your connection for. You're a paying customer, and the rights hold is not. There is no financial incentive for them to disconnect you.

    They will disconnect you if you're costing them money however. But for an ISP, that's a difficult thing to do. There are laws, and franchise agreements with the city. They're pretty much required to give you service, even if you cost them money... unless they can find an excuse to disconnect you. Like if you were a software pirate.

    The moral of the story? If you live in an upscale apartment complex, where everyones got 1gig fiber connections, you're never getting disconnected. EVER. If you're 10 miles outside of town in a sparsely populated area with old decaying lines that the ISP has to constantly come out and repair, and every time you start up your torrent client the entire neighborhoods network crawls to a halt, it may be in your best interest to avoid doing things that would give your ISP and excuse to boot you.

    Notice how they said a bunch of small rural ISPs were the only ones who'd started doing this. Yea, this has nothing to do with piracy and everything to do with getting rid of customers that are costing them money.

    1. Re:Ya right by ToddInSF · · Score: 2

      Thank you for taking the time to contribute something that isn't hysterical and useless.