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New Zealand ISP's Anti-Geoblocking Service Makes Waves

angry tapir writes New Zealanders and Australians are often blocked from using cheap streaming services such as Netflix and Hulu and instead at the mercy of local content monopolies for popular shows such as Game of Thrones. However, a New Zealand ISP, Slingshot, has caused a stir by making a previously opt-in service called 'Global Mode' a default for its customers. The new service means that people in NZ don't need to bother with VPNs or setting up proxies if they want to sign up to Netflix — they can just visit the site. The service has also caused a stir in Australia where the high price for digital goods, such as movies from the iTunes store, is a constant source of irritation for consumers.

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  1. Tits and swords by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Informative

    You're not missing anything if you don't see GoT. It's just tits and swords.

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    1. Re:Tits and swords by fey000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're not missing anything if you don't see GoT. It's just tits and swords.

      Paraphrase: You're not missing anything interesting. It's just the most awesome thing in the world and the fourth most awesome thing in the world. All the time.

    2. Re:Tits and swords by Selur · · Score: 1

      "It's just tits and swords."
      Swords? Who needs swords, when they can have a dragon?
      -> Tits&Dragons are better than Dungeon&Dragons ;)

    3. Re:Tits and swords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's dumbed-down fantasy for the masses. Kind of like how shows like Eureka are dumbed-down Sci Fi for the masses.

    4. Re:Tits and swords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tits & Dungeons... the geek's introduction to BDSM

    5. Re: Tits and swords by alen · · Score: 1

      The books were good

      The hbo version is tits and swords. Demographically there are lots of twenty and early thirty something's now and most tv is made for them. Lots of sex, violence. Even the netflix original shows are made for that demographic

    6. Re: Tits and swords by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      I thought it was a fairly faithful adaptation, but I admit I got bored some time in Season 2. The pacing in the book can be slow at times, but when transferred as-is to a visual medium it's amazingly tedious.

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    7. Re: Tits and swords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what's your list of awesome things look like?

    8. Re:Tits and swords by Impish · · Score: 1

      Before the HBO serious came on I went back and re-read the books (well, the first three). Reading the first book again reminded me just how good it is. Great characters, quick paced action, sets up the politics quickly and interestingly.

      Since you thought it was "Barely literate drivel." I'm wondering which books you were comparing it to. Since you slammed it pretty hard the least you could do is give some context, do you even read that genre? Give some examples of well written books that compare perhaps, that'd be helpful.

      Now if you were going to slam the books four and five, be my guest.

    9. Re:Tits and swords by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      Another extremely negative person in this world. Who give a F***. We love it and that's it. You can stick to your paper book, we enjoy being lazy and watching a great show and GoT offers exactly that.

    10. Re:Tits and swords by Sloppy · · Score: 2

      Tried to read the first book. Barely literate drivel.

      Sometimes people need a little help. Often (but not always!) they'll half-suspect the problem, and will prefix their remark with "is it just me, or..."

      You didn't do that, but I'm going to be a pal and pretend you did, and then answer the question for you:

      Yes, it's just you.

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    11. Re:Tits and swords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like hell I'm not missing anything... I'm missing fits and swords!!

    12. Re:Tits and swords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And sometimes dragons!

    13. Re:Tits and swords by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Ha, ha. Can't stand to have your pet book/TV series criticized?

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    14. Re:Tits and swords by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Fair enough. It wouldn't be my regular genre but for actual good quality writing in the fantasy/science fiction genres I would recommend anything by Iain M. Banks and his His Dark Materials by Philip Pullman. I don't compare books. I judge them on their own merits and Game of Thrones (the first few chapters of the First Book anyway) is not well written, not interesting or intelligent. It is lowest common denominator pot boiler dreck. Need I add 'IMHO'? If you dislike either of the authors I mentioned, feel free to make a spirited attack. It is no skin off my nose.

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    15. Re:Tits and swords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Game of Thrones is broadcast free-to-air, over-the-air in New Zealand.

      The real issue is not GoT but that New Zealand is geolocked off from the prime streaming services on the one hand but on the other hand has been too small of a market to have any of those same interests bother addressing the lack of worthwhile local alternatives, a situation made worse by the satellite pay TV operator locking up the rights for much of the content that is available on streaming services elsewhere.

    16. Re:Tits and swords by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      There's a Swedish website that lets you find things like GoT when they're not available in your country.

    17. Re:Tits and swords by bmo · · Score: 1

      >tits and swords.

      Since when are these items bad?

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    18. Re:Tits and swords by buckfeta2014 · · Score: 0
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    19. Re: Tits and swords by therealkevinkretz · · Score: 1

      You had me at "tits and swords". Actually, you had me at "tits".

    20. Re:Tits and swords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
      You want to come in here shitting on that book? Fine. I can deal with that. What I can't deal with is you promoting that bullshit acetonestudio crap in your sig. You wanna shit on us but you give dubstep a pass? What the fuck is wrong with you? Your opinion of GoT is totally irrelevant if you think THAT SHIT is music. Let me describe it in words you can understand:

      Tried to listen to the first tack. Barely audible drivel. Pathetic. Thought the Youtube adaptation might be an improvement based on all of the glowing reviews. Listened to a couple of tracks off the first album. Utter, utter shite. Oh it looks nice, but there is nothing beneath the gloss and sheen except the sounds of trash compactors fucking

    21. Re:Tits and swords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SSSSSHHHHHHHH! Don't tell everyone! The rubes will totally fuck it up for the rest of us!

    22. Re: Tits and swords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you ever know that you're my hero?
      You're the only thing, I need to wear...
      I can fly higher than my dragons,
      Cause you are the bra beneath my tits.....

    23. Re:Tits and swords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typical nerd answer. Read Octavia Butler if you actual writing ability along with your science fiction. Iain M Banks is unreadable drivel, and I haven't read His Dark Materials but I would imagine it's probably the same.

      Seriously, Octavia Butler's Parable of the Talents is the first science fiction that I've read in a very long time that's anything other than a nerd tech-fest. Margret Attwood's trilogy comprising Oryx and Crake, The Year of the Flood and whatever the third one is called are also very good, although her world-building is less accomplished than that of Butler's. She has a habit of making up words for things, like her genetically engineered hybrids for instance, that jar a little and somewhat undermine the believability of the story as a whole. But if you look past that it all works rather well.

      Now you didn't address 'fantasy' as a genre, and discuss your preferences in that area. I've read some, and found it uniformly appalling.

    24. Re:Tits and swords by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      Tits & Dragons.

      Better known as Daenerys Targaryen.

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    25. Re:Tits and swords by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Thanks AC for a good laugh. Who is this 'us' you refer to?...and you are clearly not very well informed about music. There is no Dubstep on my site - and need I say, there was nothing but your own nerd rage that compelled you to visit the website. You didn't have to. Have a nice day! Now I must remember not to feed the trolls.

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    26. Re: Tits and swords by wolja · · Score: 1

      The books were absolute shite.

      For once the screen version was true to the books.

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    27. Re: Tits and swords by CHIT2ME · · Score: 0

      So, by "Demographically", you're saying it's business as usual for the TV Biz? I've been watching TV since the 50s and it has always been so. They will air anything that they can get away with to draw the most viewers. As for me, I say, "Go for it dudes!"!!!!!!

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    28. Re:Tits and swords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IMO GoT isn't that great. Season 1 was bloody good but all the seasons after that were very dull to say the least.

  2. Good deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could use this south of the border. But it won't last long. "Spoofing" will be made illegal

  3. YESSS! by mailuefterl · · Score: 1

    I wish, some providers did that here in Austria, where I live.
    It's the same story in many ways.

  4. Please do not use this facility by mtthwbrnd · · Score: 5, Funny

    it is the same as stealing money from old women at knifepoint.

    1. Re:Please do not use this facility by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Funny

      it is the same as stealing money from old women at knifepoint.

      You mean you are likely to be pepper sprayed then bludgeoned with a handbag?

    2. Re:Please do not use this facility by Selur · · Score: 1

      I knew it those Australians, at the other side of the globe, are robbing old ladies!!
      (at least they are kind of old fashioned and still use knifes instead of guns :))

    3. Re:Please do not use this facility by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      it is the same as stealing money from old women at knifepoint.

      What's wrong with that?

    4. Re:Please do not use this facility by 91degrees · · Score: 2

      Lack of sport. There's no challenge, just like there's no challenge if you don't have to sort out your own proxy.

    5. Re:Please do not use this facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's exactly why we sent em to Australia

    6. Re:Please do not use this facility by ghmh · · Score: 1

      What if you just download a copy of the old woman's money? Or even her whole handbag and it's contents...

    7. Re:Please do not use this facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a Monty Python sketch in there somewhere

      Or maybe it was Benny Hill?

    8. Re:Please do not use this facility by oldmac31310 · · Score: 2

      Oh, I thought maybe it was the same as taking a dump in a policeman's helmet.

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    9. Re:Please do not use this facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Niether, see this news coverage (starting at 42 seconds)
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Ygy7UDADXDg#t=42

    10. Re:Please do not use this facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the money, then you would probably be better off stealing it as counterfitting is a serious crime. The handbag and its non-monetary contents however would just be a bootleg purse at worst, assuming the old woman isn't carrying around several kilos of heroin in there.

    11. Re:Please do not use this facility by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      I'd be VERY careful of any old person in NZ or Aus. Anyone able to survive the natural elements there for that long has to be particularly badass.

    12. Re:Please do not use this facility by doccus · · Score: 1

      Well, now it's just got silly...

  5. Not Australian, but I support this! by XnavxeMiyyep · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Internet should be global.

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    1. Re:Not Australian, but I support this! by slashmydots · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is. What the problem is is Hollywood and their media licensing rules. They're the ones that decided that streaming to an additional country costs more. Netflix didn't decide that all on their own for no reason.

    2. Re:Not Australian, but I support this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hollywood and their media licensing rules.

      See this is where we went wrong, allowing Hollywood to dictate anything beyond what happens in their films (let's face it, they shouldn't be allowed that, either).

    3. Re:Not Australian, but I support this! by hsmith · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Aussies have voted themselves high taxes on all goods. If they are tired of paying the high taxes on them, well golly do something about it.

    4. Re:Not Australian, but I support this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Aussies have voted themselves high taxes on all goods. If they are tired of paying the high taxes on them, well golly do something about it.

      Care to name those specific taxes, Mr Expert?

      The price differential is due to supply and demand, specifically the lack of supply/competition. The local stores have a monopoly on distribution through import agreements with manufacturers which lets them charge what the fuck they want, the retail prices contain a 100-200% mark-up over the actual wholesale cost, including tax, and it is pure profit.

    5. Re:Not Australian, but I support this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      you do realise that taxes alone (10% is hardly high by the way) in no way explain a 40% increase in online prices

    6. Re:Not Australian, but I support this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean? All movies are free for me.

    7. Re:Not Australian, but I support this! by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      It's not just hollywood. It's everyone. Google even lets you stop people from viewing your views on non-desktop devices and it's amazing how many people choose to do this. I've not seen anything that implies new corporations care about you any more than the old ones.

      If netflix were free to any content to anyone they would but they'd still set up regions so they could make people in other countries pay more.

    8. Re:Not Australian, but I support this! by agm · · Score: 1

      It's their right to do this though. It's their content, paid for by them and produced by them. They should be able to put any restrictions they like on where they can sell it. I do not believe though that they should be allowed to prevent people from using their own personal equipment to copy bits to other equipment. Copyright shouldn't exist.

    9. Re:Not Australian, but I support this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a story about New Zealand. They're not the same country, you know. Get rid of the Crocodile Dundee hat and replace it with a sheep.

    10. Re:Not Australian, but I support this! by slashmydots · · Score: 1

      So they should just make the films and then after that any TV channel or internet site can license it to themselves for free because they have no control over it? All their money comes from licensing it to theaters and cable channels with a tiny bit from DVD sales.

    11. Re:Not Australian, but I support this! by mjwx · · Score: 3, Informative

      Aussies have voted themselves high taxes on all goods. If they are tired of paying the high taxes on them, well golly do something about it.

      Care to name those specific taxes, Mr Expert?

      This. There are no additional taxes on digital media beyond sales tax.

      As an Australian, I import all my games and movies on disc from places like Hong Kong and the UK (I also buy my books from there too). I pay the UK/HK prices plus shipping and its still cheaper. Even if I had to pay tax (an order under A$900 is tax free) I'd just have to add 10% and I'd still be making a huge saving compared to buying it locally.... and this is 100% legal, it's even legal for an Australian company to drop ship media products and pay local taxes on the transaction.

      So I'd also like Mr Expert to point out where these high taxes are?

      Australia is amongst one of the lowest taxed nations in the western world (we pay more federal income tax, but no state income taxes like the US and Canada). High costs are a legacy of a time when the AUD was not strong (around US$0.5-0.6) and when we were so isolate we had no choice but to pay stupendously inflated prices. Isolation is not an issue anymore and the AUD has been strong for almost a decade.

      The price differential is due to supply and demand, specifically the lack of supply/competition. The local stores have a monopoly on distribution through import agreements with manufacturers which lets them charge what the fuck they want, the retail prices contain a 100-200% mark-up over the actual wholesale cost, including tax, and it is pure profit.

      With media, it isn't the stores charging the high prices, it's the distributors. Margins on media are razor thin and when it comes to Apple, Google and other online distributors, they are not local stores but still are beholden to the whims of the "rights holders".

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    12. Re:Not Australian, but I support this! by sixsixtysix · · Score: 2

      No one said free, but in this day and age, they should be playing globally from the moment something is released. In fact, copyright should stipulate availability in order to be protected, given the ease of digital distribution and all.

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    13. Re:Not Australian, but I support this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I do not believe though that they should be allowed to prevent people from using their own personal equipment to copy bits to other equipment.

      But "it's their right to do this though. It's their content, paid for by them and produced by them. They should be able to put any restrictions they like".

      c.f. Yourself

    14. Re:Not Australian, but I support this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. And sometimes even 100% !

    15. Re:Not Australian, but I support this! by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      Not entirely true.

      Terrestrial TV companies (RTE in Ireland and BBC in UK) have agreements with the regulators to give them first shot at airing TV shows in the country. It can often be on their behest that these shows are not available to stream from Netflix and Hulu. It took years to even be able to get Netflix in Ireland in the first place!

    16. Re:Not Australian, but I support this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hollywood and their media licensing rules.

      See this is where we went wrong, allowing Hollywood to dictate anything beyond what happens in their films (let's face it, they shouldn't be allowed that, either).

      No the probkem is allowing Hollywood to dictate anything. Hollywood needs to be told that its job is to produce crap for the masses. Its doesn't get control of anything. Thats for Google, Koch and the rest of the Illuminati.

  6. Great! by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But how well will this work when IPv6 becomes ubiquitous?

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    1. Re:Great! by wagnerrp · · Score: 1

      You can still perform NAT over IPv6, or set up a more intelligent proxy if your data stream carries information that could unmask the remote endpoint. There will be no difference.

    2. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh look, it's Mr Heat Modulates Transistors! Why don't you find me that textbook with your theory in it?

    3. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh look, it's Mr Heat Modulates Transistors! Why don't you find me that textbook with your theory in it?

      Could you perhaps be referring to this?: http://journals.jps.jp/doi/abs/10.1143/JPSJ.77.054402
      Alternatively you could be referring to this method: http://www.google.com/patents/US5920808

    4. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, guy. The trolls won't forget that just like they still give me shit for talking about the Electric Universe Theory.

  7. Will local rights holders sue? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Will local rights holders sue?

    What about stuff that you need to get SKY TV for?

    What about stuff that has import taxes?

    1. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by Sique · · Score: 5, Informative

      Geo-locking content has been declared illegal in New Zealand, thus the rights holders don't have any stand to sue.

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    2. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      What's betting rights holders go nuclear and mandate NZ IP block blacklisting or they'll pull their content from the streaming services?

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    3. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by Sique · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When the geo-locking was declared illegal in connection with DVDs, nothing happened. Thus it will be the same again with the streaming services.

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    4. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by InvalidError · · Score: 2

      Geoblocking and all the unnecessary middlemen that try to use it to secure their artificial geographic monopolies need to die if they refuse to compete globally.

      To be fair to local online vendors though, there would need to be an international standard for sales taxes such as one harmonized rate per country so international vendors would at least not need to deal with the countless regional variants within countries when charging foreign taxes. Another possibility would be to let financial institutions charge domestic taxes on the taxable part of electronic purchases since they are well-versed in the tax codes of whatever regions they do business in so vendors would not need to worry about managing international taxes at all.

    5. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Then it will be back to bittorrent. It's best for all to tear down the walls.

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    6. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by westlake · · Score: 2

      Geo-locking content has been declared illegal in New Zealand

      New Zealand isn't a country.

      It is a Hollywood back lot complete with tour guides. Film and TV Theme Tours

      With a population of 4 million, New Zealand's value as a media market is less than 1/4 that of metropolitan New York City.

    7. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easier than that. Credit card services could decide or have it decided for them that if a company does, or brokers, digital download or mail order business in more than one country and accepts credit cards, then that company will have to 1) be responsible for charging all taxes and duties, 2) grant equal service to customers in any civilized country.

      For example, ebay's globing shipping programme has everything covered already. All they would need to do is to make it mandatory for all listings.

    8. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the USA declaring that new zealand gets put on that naughty copyright 301 watch list..

    9. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by PPH · · Score: 1

      local rights holders

      IOW, suckers.

      Back when it cost real money to distribute product in smaller markets, they might have had a viable business model. But today, that is no longer the case. The marginal cost to distribute a digital product in NZ is zero. And the cost to distribute a physical good is what it takes to throw it in a UPS/FedEx box and load it on an airplane.

      Whoever paid good money to secure exclusive rights to provide a zero value service is an idiot. Actually, NZ elected officials are the idiots. Because they are spending your tax dollars to prop up failed business models while these 'rights holders' are laughing all the way to the bank.

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    10. Re: Will local rights holders sue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If eBay makes its global shipping program mandatory, then I'll stop using eBay. Right now I don't buy from vendors that use it. That program costs purchasers a lot more than just having the item shipped and dealing directly with any customs that might be due. Large ebay vendors get a cut, the single shipping company they use gets a cut, eBay gets a cut. The buyer ends up paying exorbitant "customs processing fees". Really a bit of a racket.

    11. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only New Zealand. I've recently learned to my astonishment that Belgium doesn't exist! Which is weird, given that the EU headquarters is supposed to be located there ...

    12. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's betting rights holders go nuclear and mandate NZ IP block blacklisting or they'll pull their content from the streaming services?

      New Zealand is also nuclear free http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand%27s_nuclear-free_zone

    13. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats all right, in the push for "Free Trade" under the guise of the TPP New Zealand will soon get squashed like a bug.
      The TPP gives corporates "Free Trade", but removes all rights from the consumer.

    14. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize at that is a satire site? Well you do now!

    15. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Let them.
      For some content, the only reasonable alternative the ThePirateBay.
      At least they get some money if we pay for a Netflix account

    16. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      I don't think its actually possible to buy a region locked DVD player here.
      Back when DVD players cost $400 10+ years ago, all the retailers selling them provided instructions to change the region

    17. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by gronofer · · Score: 1

      Geo-locking content has been declared illegal in New Zealand, thus the rights holders don't have any stand to sue.

      I'm surprised the studios haven't forced technical counter-measures by now, i.e., making Netflix et. al. blacklist the proxy servers / VPNs from access to their streaming servers.

    18. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by delt0r · · Score: 1

      Well all DVD players where sold with the "how to unzone your DVD player" card. My last DVD player (2005 or something), I had to press eject, press up 3 times, the volume down once, press 3 then eject 2 more times. Then it magically became region 0 or region free.

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    19. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by delt0r · · Score: 1

      Yea, even here in the EU, "not available in your area" is stupid. I can post a DVD around the world in under a week. Why would i wait 6 months for shows and movies to be finally released here? Bittorrent is available in all areas.

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    20. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm surprised the studios haven't forced technical counter-measures by now, i.e., making Netflix et. al. blacklist the proxy servers / VPNs from access to their streaming servers.

      The thing is, people using Netflix like this are actually contributing to the studios...

      For the most part, this content is not really available in NZ in any form whatsoever. There are no usable streaming services; there are very few TV channels (which, for the little content they do carry, are often months or years behind); and I can guarantee that the majority of NZ-based Netflix users would, if they weren't using Netflix, be using TPB or similar instead.

  8. Needed to stop anyway by timrod · · Score: 5, Informative

    Geo-blocking is a practice that needs to stop anyway, because it makes no sense. Take Steam as an example.

    Up until two or three years ago, there were a good number of people who used proxies to buy content not from their region on Steam - this was particularly important for Germans (who are served the "low violence" version of games by default) and Australians/New Zealanders (who were far overcharged compared to the US/UK and could use a proxy to buy stuff from the US Steam store cheaper than they could in Aus/NZ). There was one problem with this system, though. Most publishers sold games on Steam's Russian store for far cheaper than they did on the US or UK stores - a friend of mine bought a 4-pack of copies of Dead Island (back when that was a new-ish game and the 4-pack was going for upwards of $60 on the US store) from Russia for like $20.

    Then, Valve started cracking down on cross-region purchases, making it so that you could still add games from other regions but could not actually play them until your IP was detected as being in one of those regions. The problem was that it was applied so that more expensive regions had fewer restrictions - US-bought games can be played anywhere, as can AUS/NZ ones, but games purchased from Russia or a few other regions can't be played outside of those specific regions. This means that if you're from the US and go on vacation in Russia, you can play Counter-Strike GO while in Russia, but if you're Russian and go on vacation to the US you can't play CS:GO while in the US.

    It's a ridiculous double-standard, and a counter to geo-blocking would remove a lot of it.

    1. Re:Needed to stop anyway by kav2k · · Score: 5, Informative

      A couple of points.

      First, those restrictions have recently been kicked up a notch in ridiculousness. Some publishers now disallow gift copies in those "cheaper" regions - presumably, to stop such cross-region trading, but you can't even gift the game to someone within the region.

      Second, it's important to remember that region restrictions are entirely up to the publisher. As far as I can tell, Steam more or less mandates cheaper prices for Russian region, but adding restrictions is entirely publisher's decision. For instance, no digital copy of a Valve game was ever subject to those restrictions (retail is another matter though). Most indies don't opt for regional versions.

    2. Re:Needed to stop anyway by slashmydots · · Score: 1

      You know that other currencies are worth other amounts of money in USD on the exchange, right? Because it doesn't seem like you know that. Russia would be the exception but it costs a lot of money to even just change the purchase into another currency. Then it costs a lot to pay taxes properly in that country (in the rare case that they choose to do that). Then they have to pay for phone and e-mail support staff for that country. There are costs to maintaining a presence in another country and it's reflected in the price. Russia is just so cheap because that's what Russians are willing to pay for the game since everyone there is broke.

    3. Re:Needed to stop anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's because companies pay a lot of money to license a product or service to hold a monopoly in a specific region of the world. If they allowed a service like Netflix to service the entire planet, the local broadcasters would have no incentive to pay the high licensing fees.

    4. Re:Needed to stop anyway by Warbothong · · Score: 1

      Most publishers sold games on Steam's Russian store for far cheaper than they did on the US or UK stores - a friend of mine bought a 4-pack of copies of Dead Island (back when that was a new-ish game and the 4-pack was going for upwards of $60 on the US store) from Russia for like $20.

      Then, Valve started cracking down on cross-region purchases, making it so that you could still add games from other regions but could not actually play them until your IP was detected as being in one of those regions. The problem was that it was applied so that more expensive regions had fewer restrictions - US-bought games can be played anywhere, as can AUS/NZ ones, but games purchased from Russia or a few other regions can't be played outside of those specific regions. This means that if you're from the US and go on vacation in Russia, you can play Counter-Strike GO while in Russia, but if you're Russian and go on vacation to the US you can't play CS:GO while in the US.

      It's a ridiculous double-standard, and a counter to geo-blocking would remove a lot of it.

      It makes perfect sense, since the market for these games is massively skewed. Many customers are only interested in particular titles; they want GTA V and don't regard "Gangster Sim III" as a viable alternative. Since the publishers have a monopoly over their titles, they can set the prices to whatever the market will bear, regardless of how much it costs them to produce each unit (which, FYI, is $0 since the game's already finished and released).

      If the market were allowed to decide, ie. if it was legal for anyone to sell copies of already-finished games, rather than just the publishers, then the prices would crash right down to near-zero.

      Keep that in mind next time some copyright troll is denouncing "pirates" for being "anti-capitalist", when in fact it's copyright which is responsible for this anti-competitive crap.

    5. Re:Needed to stop anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is no "presence" in other countries in most cases. It's certainly not a requirement. Most of the "indie" games on steam have no "presence" in say Australia, and yet the price in Australia is not [US Price] * ($AU/$US) in AUD or just [US Price] in USD.

      It has nothing to do with "costs to maintaining and presence in another country". It is solely due to "that's what Xians are willing to pay for the game", which unsurprisingly pisses people off since most people don't like being charged more than someone else for no reason other than the seller thinks they are dumb enough to pay more.

    6. Re:Needed to stop anyway by Arker · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately this is exactly what you should expect with the likes of Steam. DRM is DRM is DRM, no matter how you sugar coat it.

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    7. Re:Needed to stop anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you play counter strike when you go on vacation?

    8. Re:Needed to stop anyway by taustin · · Score: 1

      I know I'll get modded down for this. but I find it hard to sympathize with someone who goes on vacation on another continent and wants to play computer games in their hotel.

      Sever allergy to sunshine must be more common than I thought.

    9. Re:Needed to stop anyway by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      Why wouldn't he?

    10. Re:Needed to stop anyway by Ardyvee · · Score: 1

      I heard a nice argument supporting region locking on steam. While I personally would love that there just wasn't a difference in price, the argument was actually reasonable.

      It goes like this: some areas in the world get a cheaper price because these are areas where there may be lower income for the population (it makes no sense to charge 50€ for a game in a region where minimum wage is something like 100€, for example). To give you an example, it would make no sense to try to sell games in Venezuela under the same price as everywhere else because the market would be too small. If you lower the prices in that country, you can (potentially) have more costumer (even if they pay you less) instead of them being forced to buy it from outside the country or just plain pirate it.

      IIRC, the same happens with the region Russia is located in. At least, that was the argument I read.

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    11. Re:Needed to stop anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real double-standard here is that companies pull this stunt all the time. They love to shop overseas for employees where they can get labour cheaper. However, as a mere peon, you are not allowed to get product cheaper.

      They lobby hard to get what they want, and to prevent you from using the same means. Don't stand for it.

    12. Re:Needed to stop anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about someone who moves to a different country for half a year for work?
      Am I allowed to play my games on weekends? Or do I have to re-buy all of them?

    13. Re:Needed to stop anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Sever allergy" Ouch, that must be painful.

    14. Re:Needed to stop anyway by ewibble · · Score: 1

      Its an argument to make money yes, but I feel it is unfair, It arises from a monopoly position, a monopoly will charge as much as the market can bare, and that is exactly what you are describing. With healthy competition this can never happen. An I item costs a certain amount to produce, so if you start selling it for any higher than cost + reasonable return, then someone else will be quite happy to supply it for cheaper.

      Yes I understand that the vast majority of the cost developing IP, and the marginal cost is around 0. So you need to allow people to recoup their money and make a reasonable profit. But in granting someone monopoly rights you also have to ensure those rights are not abused, since competition is no longer there to ensure people do not take advantage.

      It is the same if they could look at your wage/bank balance and say well you are rich I will charge you more, just not as accurate, but if they could I assure you they would.

    15. Re:Needed to stop anyway by Ardyvee · · Score: 1

      But how do you solve the competition problem in the video game space when what people wants is Call of Duty [latest installment] or GTAV?

      It is very hard to do anything resembling competition in video game space. Battlefield and Call of Duty, two high-profile shooters, don't really compete with each other. And there is barely any other Call of Duty-esque game that is anything around the required size (in terms of reach/popularity). Furthermore, all it takes is for the games to be released with a year between them (or even less) to simply not compete in terms of sales.

      My other question would be how do you ensure those rights are not abused? By enforcing a single price worldwide (along with same-date release date please)? I'm convinced whoever that the seller is simply going to select US/EU prices. I might be wrong, though. What do you think?

      Oh, of course there is also the "how about we just improve the living standards in x countries so that different prices don't make sense", but that's beyond what we can effectively do.

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    16. Re:Needed to stop anyway by Stolovaya · · Score: 1

      Some of it is based on the morality laws in the country. What's acceptable around sex and violence varies from country to country. Companies like Steam (as well as the publishers on Steam) have to play ball if they want to be able to operate in that region. So you'll get some countries where you can have all the tits you want, but all that blood needs to be green. Or you can show the nude insides of someone, but not nudes of the outside of the body.

      Some small time indie version of Steam could probably just go global and say "fuck you" to all the morality laws of all the countries on Earth, but there's no way Steam could get away with it.

      I would love to see a free-for-all Steam, but while we have our current IP laws, geoblocking will be here to stay, unfortunately.

    17. Re:Needed to stop anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not even because everyone in Russia is broke. Prices, especially in major cities, are not that far off these days, but video game sales have to compete with pirated copies. In effect, Steam charges customers in Russia less because customers in Russia are more likely to pirate. Which means that if Americans want lower prices, they should just start pirating, and the prices will come down.

    18. Re:Needed to stop anyway by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      It goes like this: some areas in the world get a cheaper price because these are areas where there may be lower income for the population (it makes no sense to charge 50â for a game in a region where minimum wage is something like 100â, for example). To give you an example, it would make no sense to try to sell games in Venezuela under the same price as everywhere else because the market would be too small.

      The counter-counter argument is also easy: why shouldn't you pay 2nd or 3rd world prices for goods when you have to compete with 2nd and 3rd world labor? As long as American workers are being told to STFU and accept large cuts to their compensation or see their jobs moved to Bangladesh, they should be able to pay Bangladesh prices for consumer goods.

      This is why "globalization" and "free trade" are crocks of BS. Monied interests suck up the "benefits" of making labor international while raising high trade barriers to protect their corporate profits in the name of "intellectual property".

    19. Re:Needed to stop anyway by Ardyvee · · Score: 1

      In the given example (steam), there is barely anything from most third world countries. At the very least, game companies tend to be based on first world countries and hire first world citizens.

      Now, I do agree with you that if you reduce cost, then either you lower prices or you can't complain when someone else sells a competing product for cheaper. But before asking for X country's prices, I would beg for a close examination to actual costs of production and transport. I would also beg for a close examination of what is being sold in X country and yours. Say, imagine that a cheap smartphone is being sold in X. You see it and think damn that's cheap. Here in Y it costs more. Question: do you get the same benefits they do as a consumer? Is the quality standard the same? Things like that matter.

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  9. Don't they feel special.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's not a Geo-block designed to prevent Australians and New Zealanders from accessing the content, it's a whitelist designed to allow only US residents. The pricing in various other countries also varies greatly.

    There is no valid argument as to why New Zealanders are paying much more for the same content as others in the world. We shouldnÃ(TM)t tolerate it.

    The reason they have to pay more is that the producers think they can extract more money that way. One way to counteract that is to stop buying their wares.

    1. Re:Don't they feel special.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reason they have to pay more is that the producers think they can extract more money that way. One way to counteract that is to stop buying their wares.

      They're right - after all when your choice of entertainment is watch a film or shag a sheep a sizable minority of Newsdealers pick the film.

    2. Re:Don't they feel special.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      damn autocorrect that's "New Zealanders"

    3. Re:Don't they feel special.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no valid argument as to why New Zealanders are paying much more for the same content as others in the world.

      Not totally true - there is varying levels of taxation per country. And of course there might be additional costs with complying with certain country specific rules (different ratings, having to provide dual language support in places like Quebec) and so on. But if it is literally the same movie or game or whatever, then of course only tax would vary.

    4. Re:Don't they feel special.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I buy something online why should I pay more if I live in NZ?
      If I fly over to the US, buy the game, and fly back, it should be the same if I buy it online from steam or netflix or whatever.

    5. Re:Don't they feel special.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, you get a bargain from Steam or Netflix. The NZ markup is much less than your travel costs.

    6. Re:Don't they feel special.. by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      there is varying levels of taxation per country.

      Which should be handled the same way a DVD purchase by a NZ resident visiting the USA is. The transaction occurred on US soil, subject to US taxes. If you carry that product into another tax jurisdiction, it's not the problem of the manufacturer or vendor.

      complying with certain country specific rules (different ratings, having to provide dual language support in places like Quebec)

      Again, its the responsibility (and choice) of the customer. If someone from Quebec purchases material in the USA without a French audio track, its their choice. Not the US vendor's problem.

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    7. Re:Don't they feel special.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you're wrong. You've meant "Newsdealers".

    8. Re:Don't they feel special.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again, its the responsibility (and choice) of the customer. If someone from Quebec purchases material in the USA without a French audio track, its their choice. Not the US vendor's problem.

      Tell that to the language police (no, I'm not joking, Quebec has language police)

      http://www.thebeaverton.com/quebec-s-language-police-fines-anglophone-family-for-writing-toronto-in-english-on-moving-boxes.htm

    9. Re:Don't they feel special.. by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      You're right.
      We have a 15% sales tax. No other taxes and it's not payable for some personal foreign purchases (I don't have to pay if I buy a digital item from Amazon, like an eBook. I don't have to pay if I order a physical item less than $400)
      We speak English, not American.
      As far as I'm aware, anything legal in USA in terms of ratings is legal in New Zealand. We're not as prudish as Australia and allow 18+ games.

      So much cost to offer services to New Zealand.

    10. Re:Don't they feel special.. by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Just read a local article about classifications in New Zealand.
      Cost to classify a 3 1/2 hour movie: $27NZD to $2544NZD
      If it's already been classified in Australia or UK, we assume the same rating and only charge $27

      A full classification for 3 1/2 hours of content is $2544.

    11. Re:Don't they feel special.. by PPH · · Score: 1

      Tell that to the language police (no, I'm not joking, Quebec has language police)

      That's (sort of) my point. Residents of Quebec and businesses with a presence there may be bound by such laws. But if a Québécois purchases something on line, there should be no compliance cost incurred by the vendor if they are outside the jurisdiction. And so no excuse for a higher price.

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    12. Re:Don't they feel special.. by dns_server · · Score: 1

      Just one minor point we do allow 18+ games in Australia since the start of the year but there are still some restrictions.
      When southpark's stick of truth was released we had a few things cut (anal probe mini game) but this was the same in a few countries.

  10. UK next please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We don't get overcharged anywhere near as much, but we do get a paltry fraction of the choice US citizens get for the same money.

  11. Re:TSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh. Wrong article. Ive been up for 3 days straight SORRY!

  12. South Africa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    South Africa needs this from an ISP.

    We get raped on fee's, and other charges that *literally* don't exist anywhere else.

  13. Re:TSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No! Bad AC! The cocaine is supposed to go in your battery, not your nostrils!

  14. Obviously a mistake by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    It will be changed real soon now and some low level guy will be let go.

    1. Re:Obviously a mistake by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      At least it works now. I tried using Global Mode when it was optional but it never worked. I just watched some Family Guy on Hulu to test it and it works fine.

    2. Re:Obviously a mistake by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      It will be changed real soon now and some low level guy will be let go.

      Hollywood is not in NZ and NZ doesn't get paid royalties on all those movies filmed in NZ, so they could give a rat's ass about forcing their own ISPs to jump through Hollywood hoops. Quite the opposite, in fact. Region locked downloads are illegal in NZ, so this change isn't just intentional, it's mandatory. (For some interpretation of mandatory compliance with the law.)

    3. Re:Obviously a mistake by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      The NZ economy has benefited from Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit, King Kong, Avatar and many other high budget movies where a significant part was made in New Zealand.

      I'd say that's more to do with Peter Jackson and James Cameron than the rest of Hollywood though.

    4. Re:Obviously a mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The NZ economy has benefited from Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit, King Kong, Avatar and many other high budget movies where a significant part was made in New Zealand.

      I'd say that's more to do with Peter Jackson and James Cameron than the rest of Hollywood though.

      That's actually not true - the movie subsidies we are paying (as taxpayers) have resulted in a net loss to the economy as was pointed out in 2010 - [www.stuff.co.nz]

    5. Re:Obviously a mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Your country paid Hollywood to get the film shot there? I can see why locations that do not have your natural setting may need to do this, but I would of thought you'd of charged THEM to come shoot the movie in your country. How many places possibly look like NZ?

  15. Oh, I'd say it\s much more than that. by westlake · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're not missing anything if you don't see GoT. It's just tits and swords.

    and the best writing, performance, and production values of any television series currently on air. List of awards and nominations received by Game of Thrones

    1. Re:Oh, I'd say it\s much more than that. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      I lost my reverence for the television industry honoring itself long ago. Moreover the series is a training film for misogyny. The world would be a better place with it off the air, no matter how many awards it wins.

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    2. Re:Oh, I'd say it\s much more than that. by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

      Your two statements do not support each other.

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  16. Australian rating by tepples · · Score: 1

    Most of the "indie" games on steam have no "presence" in say Australia

    I thought the publisher (or the self-publishing developer) needed to at leats pay for a rating from the Australian Classification Board before a video game could be sold in Australia.

    1. Re:Australian rating by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Sure, if they wanted to sell it "in Australia". But since they don't and instead just have it available on things like gog.com outside of Australia, they don't have to worry about that.

    2. Re:Australian rating by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      You mean, if they want to sell it in a market that has a meaningful presence - then they have to deal with local classification boards.

      Self-publishing is always an option, but rarely works if you're a complete and total upstart independent.

    3. Re:Australian rating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure steam has a meaningful presence, and the various indie items on it haven't dealt with the local classification boards.

  17. Globalization by HaaPoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is very interesting that globalization is welcomed when reducing cost to produce and increasing the profit, but when it is issue of globalization on purchase price companies resist and try to stop it.

    1. Re:Globalization by snowsnoot · · Score: 1

      Touche. Consider the flip side though of having your income 'equalized' by globalization, outsourcing/global competition etc. Maybe it makes sense to have the whole world on a converged currency / value system rather than today's economic borders that preserve the status quo. I can't see it happening without some serious turmoil though. Rich countries have the most to lose while the 'great equalization' takes place.

  18. There is a fixed cost per country by tepples · · Score: 1

    There are fewer gamers in New Zealand than the United States, but I don't imagine that the NZ OFLC charges proportionally less than the US ESRB to get a game classified for objectionable content. This means it costs more per person to get a game approved for sale in a smaller country.

    1. Re:There is a fixed cost per country by ukoda · · Score: 1

      Without numbers I don't think our argment holds water. How many copies of a game are sold in NZ and how much does the compliance cost? My guess, without numbers to back it up, is it is around 1% of the retail sale price and therefore not a valid justification for over charging.

  19. Damnit, New Zealand! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is New Zealand so perfect?! They have geothermal power, natural gas just shoots out of the ground, bits of it look like Lord of the Rings, and pretty much all the other bits are otherwise absolutely beautiful. Then there's zorbing. And now their ISPs apparently do things to give their customers quality service, rather than robbing them at every single possible turn! That's just not fair!

    1. Re:Damnit, New Zealand! by don.g · · Score: 1

      All our [NZ] ISPs seem to be falling over themselves to offer uncapped service at the moment, often with no "fair use" clause.

      Move here. It's not that hard. If you need an IT job, my employer is hiring.

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  20. that's a ways off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Might as well ask what will happen after the singularity.

    1. Re:that's a ways off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Won't take long. Google is already preparing itself for killer robots.

  21. OOO Look over here! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All handwaving apologist bullshit and you know it! This practice needs to stop. The fact you've been modded up is just a sign that at least 2 people are fucking control freaks like you.

  22. This could backfire by PAjamian · · Score: 2

    ... if the service (as I suspect) routes your traffic to a given IP from another IP in the same country, this could backfire as some services are actually better from outside the country, some examples:

    mlb.com (and other sports streaming services) which applies blackout restrictions if you're trying to watch games from inside the US or its territories. Watching baseball games from New Zealand, however, has no blackout restrictions.

    Purchasing goods from sites that apply sales tax if you're browsing from the same country that the site is based in (more far fetched, they usually apply sales tax according to shipping destination).

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  23. Good authors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recommend Leisl Kaberry - The Titanian Chronicles. A fresh take on the fantasy genre with character and plot development that promises to span multiple novels in the series. I just read the first book and it leaves three distinct plots hanging. The author promises that each of these plots will continue for a number of novels with the second book due out December 2014.