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New Technology Uses Cellular Towers For Super-Accurate Weather Measurements

Iddo Genuth (903542) writes "Israeli scientists from the Tel Aviv University perfected a method for using cell phone service towers' microwave emitters to measure rain and snow and even (for the first time ) detect fog with great accuracy over vast areas in real time. The research team members have analyzed endless amounts of raw cellular data and developed more accurate ways to measure meteorological information and added more parameters that they can now measure using their growing database. When combined with existing meteorological monitoring technologies such as radars and local ground based weather stations, the results show unprecedented level of accuracy that can give better and further weather forecast as well as special warnings about upcoming floods, fog and hail which can affect both people and crop production."

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  1. We live in the future by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Too bad the post office isn't as efficient as the weather service.

    1. Re:We live in the future by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2, Insightful

      +1 hoverboards don't work on water.

    2. Re:We live in the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Unless you have POWAH! ...you bojo.

    3. Re:We live in the future by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Informative

      Too bad the post office isn't as efficient as the weather service.

      Actually, the post office is remarkably efficient, given the volumes of mail they carry. USPS alone, in one day carries more than FedEx annually, and in 3, more than UPS. (Take that, late Christmas 2013 presents).

      They have to be efficient otherwise the whole system breaks down in short order. And by law of big numbers, of course, they'll run into problems. It ain't nice when it happens via the mail, but FedEx and UPS can be completely hopeless when it's their package. (You'd think with all that tracking information they could easily find a missing or lost package, but no. If a package gets scanned out but not scanned in, you're SOL).

    4. Re:We live in the future by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Actually, the post office is remarkably efficient, given the volumes of mail they carry.

      But their bad reputation also works well for providing excuses.

      "What do you mean you didn't get that check? I mailed it a week ago! Damn post office..."

  2. NSA - National Storm Agency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    In a related story, the NSA has received generous funding to start producing detailed weather forecasts.

  3. More measurements! by thieh · · Score: 1

    What about UV index or temperature or humidity? I meant if they arent measured on the same spot as everything else then the usefulness of those will suffer

  4. Sounds like radar to me. by InvalidError · · Score: 1

    The only differences being that with cell towers, the receivers and transmitters are controlled by two independent parties and the signal itself was not intended for that particular purpose.

    You know exactly where the tower is, you can easily reconstruct the RF signal as-transmitted by receiving the bitstream yourself and calculating the original signal as-sent. All that is left to do is compute the correlation between measured signals across your receiver network and weather along the receiver-transmitter path and their immediate surroundings.

    This is a bit like a radar version of passive sonar.

    1. Re:Sounds like radar to me. by InvalidError · · Score: 1

      If you want to use sonar to map the ocean, you measure multi-path delays, phase shift, attenuation, etc. using a receiver array too.

      Radar does much of the same as well: you need the delay to calculate the distance, phase/doppler shift to calculate the speed and heading, signal strength to estimate the cross-section, etc.

      You can go way beyond just measuring drift from nominal values. With a distributed receiver array, they could probably use multi-path delays, reflection, attenuation, etc. from thermals, air currents, moisture, etc. to calculate temperature and other parameters almost anywhere within the network's airspace.

  5. Re:Military Applications by __aanbvm4272 · · Score: 1

    Let see WWII era non guided rockets vs US supplied Laser guided missiles Some kind of dire conflict my ass

  6. Weather Rules by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Turns out that it's easy to measure the weather with a cell phone tower.

    • If cell phone tower casts a shadow, the sun is shining.
    • If tower is wet, it is raining.
    • If tower is white, it is snowing
    • If tower is swaying back and forth, there is a high wind.

    ...

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    How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
    1. Re:Weather Rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're missing a few. A more extensive list here:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_rock

  7. Re:Military Applications by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

    The military application is that it is rumoured to be able to detect stealth aircraft.

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  8. Re:Military Applications by cellocgw · · Score: 2

    The military application is that it is rumoured to be able to detect stealth aircraft.

    No rumor that. Dunno about cell towers, but it was shown pretty conclusively in the '90s that the "hole in the sky" caused when a stealth aircraft blocks FM radio signals can be seen. Depends of course on having a good FM sensor and a solid transmitter or two in the area.

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  9. Re:We live in the future tsarkon reports by sjames · · Score: 1

    Fedex depends on USPS for last mile delivery in a lot of places. USPS handles orders of magnitude more deliveries than Fedex.

    Based on that, they are much MORE efficient than Fedex.

  10. Re:We live in the future tsarkon reports by sjames · · Score: 2, Funny

    Awwww, did I make someone feel like a braying ass?

    Who's a braying ass? YOU're a braying ass, yes you ARE!

    Learn to speak like a grownup and I'll stop with the baby talk.

  11. Ditto GPS by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Mositure and temprature variations causes bending of GPS wavepaths and small delays. Geophysicists ave been studying the "noise" in large scale GPS data to measure atmospheric conditions. Right now this mostly from dedicated high frequency tectonics GPS stations like Earthscope. There could be a way to "crowdsource" smartphone users for more data.

  12. Re:We live in the future tsarkon reports by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    I do a reference to Back to the Future III, and you guys go on to debate about the USPS.

  13. Could this be used for detecting rockets/mortars? by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

    I wonder if they could extend and improve their "iron dome" with this?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...

    Would be great if they could knock all the Palestinian missiles out of the air instead of bombing the sh*t out of the lauch sites (which the launchers tend to put in urban areas).