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Scientists Have Developed a Material So Dark That You Can't See It

gbjbaanb writes A British company is developing a new material that's so black it absorbs all but 0.035 percent of the visual light, making it the darkest material ever created. Of course, apart from making album covers, it conducts heat 7 times better than copper and is 10 times stronger than steel. "The nanotube material, named Vantablack, has been grown on sheets of aluminium foil by the Newhaven-based company. While the sheets may be crumpled into miniature hills and valleys, this landscape disappears on areas covered by it. 'You expect to see the hills and all you can see it's like black, like a hole, like there's nothing there. It just looks so strange,' said Ben Jensen, the firm's chief technical officer.

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  1. I was able to sneak into their laboratories by ArcadeMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    And I took a photo of the material.

    1. Re:I was able to sneak into their laboratories by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      I suspect the material was carefully designed so that the scientists could show off how bright they are (in comparison).

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    2. Re:I was able to sneak into their laboratories by tylerni7 · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sci... That's a link to the photos without the blogspam..

    3. Re:I was able to sneak into their laboratories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's a link to the photos without the blogspam..

      Don't think of me as ungrateful, but I'd rather read correspondence from a thousand nigerian princes (with p3ni$) problems from now until the day I die than click on a link to the Mail.

    4. Re:I was able to sneak into their laboratories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Not only were their colors and patterns uncommonly fine, but clothes made of this cloth had a wonderful way of becoming invisible to anyone who was unfit for his office, or who was unusually stupid."

    5. Re:I was able to sneak into their laboratories by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 4, Funny

      That would make one heck of a tinfoil hat...

    6. Re:I was able to sneak into their laboratories by pacman+on+prozac · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm not sure what is stranger, the material or the Daily Mail publishing something that appears to be factual and informative....

    7. Re:I was able to sneak into their laboratories by MancunianMaskMan · · Score: 2

      I'll just leave this here: the Daily Mail-o-matic headline genrator

    8. Re:I was able to sneak into their laboratories by flyneye · · Score: 2

      And here is the reality; for a coverage of this stuff in a flat finish, it will take around 25 lb. of product to make a 30 gallon batch of paint. You really don't want to add any Talcum for flat as it will ruin color, no bentonite for viscosity, probably needs to be in a silicone to avoid yellowing of the resin over time. IOW, this is going to be an expensive pain in the ass to turn into a coating and there is no guaranteeing applying it will be a picnic either.

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    9. Re:I was able to sneak into their laboratories by AbRASiON · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've actually managed to find a picture of it being used as intended.
      http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Portable_Hole_8289.jpg

    10. Re:I was able to sneak into their laboratories by Melipone · · Score: 2

      Stephen Westland, professor of colour science and technology at Leeds University, told the paper: 'These new materials, they are pretty much as black as we can get, almost as close to a black hole as we could imagine.'

      It's ok, they managed to get this quote into it. Everything is operating as normal.

  2. galactic hyper-hearse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's the weird colour scheme that freaks me. Every time you try to operate one of these weird black controls, which are labeled in black on a black background, a small black light lights up black to let you know you've done it. Hey, what is this, some kind of galactic hyper-hearse?

    1. Re:galactic hyper-hearse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's what happens when you try to steal Hotblack Desiato's stunt ship...

    2. Re:galactic hyper-hearse by OzPeter · · Score: 2

      It's the weird colour scheme that freaks me. Every time you try to operate one of these weird black controls, which are labeled in black on a black background, a small black light lights up black to let you know you've done it. Hey, what is this, some kind of galactic hyper-hearse?

      You kids with your fancy book references just make me laugh. When I think of HHGTTG, I think of the radio plays, with Peter Jones as the book, and the Haggunenon Admiral's flagship.

      Ahh .. the good old days.

      Now git off my lawn.

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    3. Re:galactic hyper-hearse by hendersj · · Score: 3, Informative

      That was my thought as well. The more appropriate quote, too, was not regarding the interior of the ship, which was merely black (and lots of it), but the exterior of the ship. Ford's line before the entered the ship - "It's so black - you can hardly even make out its shape. Light just falls into it." - seemed a much better fit for this story.

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    4. Re:galactic hyper-hearse by SB2020 · · Score: 2

      Pretty sure you're asking a facetious question but for those who don't know (like myself prior to Saturday night, walking through N4 with my brother): Hotblack Desiato is the name of a North London estate agent (Realtor for the merkins), which was adopted by Douglas Adams for the name of the frontman of plutonium rock band Disaster Area.
      +1 for serendipitous comment threads, also I'm reading the book to my kids for their bedtime story.

    5. Re:galactic hyper-hearse by GTRacer · · Score: 2

      +1 for DNA

      +1 for reading to your kids

      +1 for combining the two! How old are your kids and how are they liking the story so far? Have they tried reaching for their tattered copies of the Guide yet for clarification on things?

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    6. Re:galactic hyper-hearse by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      Pretty sure you're asking a facetious question but for those who don't know (like myself prior to Saturday night, walking through N4 with my brother): Hotblack Desiato is the name of a North London estate agent (Realtor for the merkins), which was adopted by Douglas Adams for the name of the frontman of plutonium rock band Disaster Area.

      As is Ford Prefect, which was the name of a Ford car in the UK (1930s-1960s). It's not, as most Americans think, a purposeful mis-spelling of Perfect.

      It was written for UK audiences, and poorly Americanized. Half the jokes in there only work in the UK because of cultural issues.

  3. It's like, how much more black could this be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And the answer is none. None more black.

    1. Re:It's like, how much more black could this be? by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      It could be 350ppm more black.

  4. Disaster Area by Rah'Dick · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hear a Mr. Hotblack Desiato wants to buy all of it. The material and the team that invented it... He also might buy the whole solar system while he's at it.

    1. Re:Disaster Area by Zocalo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Since he's currently spending a year dead for tax reasons I doubt that would be the case, but in any event since it's only totally black and not totally frictionless as well I don't think it would be suitable for crashing into a star at the climax of the next Disaster Area concert anyway.

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  5. Here's a better article with actual photos by big_e_1977 · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Here's a better article with actual photos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      better article

      Daily Mail

      This material appears to be so black that it made me black out and wake up in a crazy alternate universe where a Daily Mail article isn't considered to be absolutely terrible.

  6. Prior art - Wile E. Coyote's portable holes. by jpellino · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can't remember if he got them from Acme or not...

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  7. Headline wrong, not invisible. by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

    If this stuff where painted around the entrance of a curved tunnel and sun light shone on to it, if you you could only see the painted material then you would most 100% definitively see sunlight shining off of it.

    Bright daylight being 10,000 foot candles and 1 candle light being something that we can see, 0.035% = 2,857 to 1 ratio.

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    1. Re:Headline wrong, not invisible. by MrL0G1C · · Score: 3, Informative

      Handy in places where reflections are bad though such as telescopes and high end camera internals perhaps.

      Unfortunately only very rich ninjas will be able to afford this material. (Pirates will just steal or copy it of course)

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    2. Re:Headline wrong, not invisible. by Pharmboy · · Score: 3, Informative

      As long as the manufacturing can scale and it does offer the advantages we assume, I would expect in in £300 cameras with 5 years, maybe even cheaper. Look at Gorilla Glass, once they found a market and could scale, now everyone uses it for smartphones.

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    3. Re:Headline wrong, not invisible. by gbjbaanb · · Score: 2

      I was thinking of heatsinks - conduct better than copper (no doubt cheaper once manufacturing gets sorted out) and your shiny copper heatpipes will be replaced with not-shiny black ones that you can't see.

      The said telescopes would be suitable for this, particularly expensive ones they put in space.

  8. I was able to sneak into their laboratories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Very funny. Here are the real pictures: (maybe it's not to late to add this link to the article?)
    http://sageofquay.blogspot.nl/

  9. Sold! by Jager+Dave · · Score: 2
    I'm guessing we know now, what material Hotblack Desiato used to coat Disaster Area's ship....

    I imagine it would also be appropriate for the Batmobile.

    ..and my next motorcycle.

  10. I can imagine that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is so happens that in computer graphics 3d object can be flat shaded, as a uniform color. In this case it is impossible to distinquish some characteristics and the object looks unnatural. So I believe I totally understand how the object should look. however we are used to unrealistic stuff in PC screen, however wrong looking objects in real life would be something really interesting.

  11. Re:Yea right by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

    it'll do a good job on IF/UV too I'm sure given it's based on trapping photons bouncing around within tunnels so they can't escape,

    the effects are probably because the size of the nanotubes are on the order of the wavelength of visible light... I would not be surprised if it wasn't particularly impressive for IR/UV. SOURCE: MY BRAIN

  12. Re:Yea right by marxidad · · Score: 2

    If it's absorbing all that light, it's close to being a perfect black body and so it's going to emit infrared radiation.

  13. Looks like they'll get rich by russotto · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is the sort of material which could be used for artificial hearts for lawyers, bankers, and politicians.

  14. Re:Inside of cameras by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

    Other than that, probably not that significant.

    Is it possible that you perhaps haven't considered every single possible application this might have?

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  15. Paint for a room by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Imagine the surreal experience of opening a door to a room painted floor to ceiling with vantablack and only a small area rug serving as an "island" with a wing chair, ottoman and side table with table lamp floating in space, I can only wonder if you'd get a floating sensation while sitting in the chair.

    Another, more cynical part of me suspects that our Government's Intelligence community is already planning on creating such rooms to "enhance" interrogation or make solitary confinement more solitary.

    1. Re:Paint for a room by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      Imagine the surreal experience of opening a door to a room painted floor to ceiling with...

      Some tan dude in John Lennon glasses keeps asking me to select between 2 pills there

  16. Practical applications? by davidannis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder if this has applications in solar power. If you have 100% of light absorbed, the energy has to go somewhere - presumably it heats up.

  17. Solar panels by Windwraith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This could be really interesting to use in thermal solar panels (in layman terms: the ones for water heating, not the ones to get electricity). If it absorbs so much light, it's probably more efficient than other materials, and surely much more than black paint. This could raise the efficiency of thermal panels to near 95%, so I hope this becomes a thing.

    I wouldn't cover a car with it, though. I don't want to experience a solar oven first-hand.

  18. Re:Inside of cameras by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative

    I didn't research so forgive my ignorance

    It gets this property from its fine surface structure, which is a forest of tubes. Incoming light has to be reflected many times before it gets back out, so a black material is effectively made even less reflective. It's the optical-scale version of the pointed absorbers used in anechoic chambers.

    It probably is not going to retain its blackness when exposed to water, dirt, or wear. Superhydrophobic coatings such as Never Wet have the same problem - they work because they're composed of tiny points, so droplets of liquid don't have a surface they can grab. But after some wear, the effect stops working. (See any of the many "NeverWet fails" videos on YouTube.)

    This is likely to be great for protected environments, such as inside optical systems. It should be useful for optical sensors in space, too. But it's probably an inherently fragile surface. That limits its uses. (The "stronger than steel" probably refers to the individual carbon nanotubes, not the bulk material.)

    This s a problem with a lot of surface chemistry stuff touted as "nanomaterials". They have interesting surface properties, but the surfaces are fragile, because they're some very thin surface layer with an unusual structure. If you protect that structure with some coating, you lose the effect.

  19. 300K by Scotland · · Score: 2

    While it might do a good job at absorbing it must still emit blackbody photons.

    True, but almost nothing at 300K, and almost none of that in the *near* infra-red.