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'Optical Fiber' Made Out of Thin Air

Dave Knott writes: Scientists from the University of Maryland say they have turned thin air into an "optical fiber" that can transmit and amplify light signals without the need for any cables. As described in the research, this was accomplished by generating a laser with its light split into a ring of multiple beams forming a pipe. Very short and powerful pulses from the laser are used to heat the air molecules along the beam extremely quickly. Such rapid heating produces sound waves that take about a microsecond to converge to the center of the pipe, creating a high-density area surrounded by a low-density area left behind in the wake of the laser beams. The lower density region of air surrounding the center of the air waveguide has a lower refractive index, keeping the light focused, and allowing the higher-density region (with its correspondingly higher index of refraction) to act like an optical fiber. The findings, reported in the journal Optica, have applications in long range laser communications, high-resolution topographic mapping, air pollution and climate change research, and could also be used by the military to make laser weapons.

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  1. Perfect to mount by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    On top of a shark's head.

    1. Re:Perfect to mount by Cryacin · · Score: 1

      "Optical Fibres" eh? So that's what the kids are calling death rays these days.

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    2. Re:Perfect to mount by maroberts · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why is this moderated funny?

      Is this sad, tired old meme actually still genuinely funny in this day and age?

      really?

      Yes.

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    3. Re:Perfect to mount by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't like it, don't bitch. Instead write posts that are more fun to read than this and you can mod it down yourself.
      Tell me, truly, if you thought the parent was such a waste of space, what made you think complaining about it would be more deserving of anyone's attention?

    4. Re: Perfect to mount by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go be jaded somewhere else lol

    5. Re:Perfect to mount by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

      As if you've never quoted Monty Python, Star Wars, or Captain Kirk.

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    6. Re:Perfect to mount by davester666 · · Score: 1

      does anybody else feel a small warm spot on their forehead?

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    7. Re:Perfect to mount by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      It's not original. And it's not creative. And it's certainly not funny anymore.

      I agree. And yet, I recognise that this is just my opinion, and I don't expect everyone else to confirm to my sense of humour.

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    8. Re:Perfect to mount by Shark · · Score: 1

      Oh here we go again... At least try to use the same mounting brackets.

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  2. Mounting options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can this be mounted on a Shark?

  3. Obl: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now we just need frickin sharks that can fly.

    1. Re: Obl: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haven't you seen Sharknado!?!

  4. I read the list of applications by Crashmarik · · Score: 4, Interesting

    and the only ones that looked remotely practical was the laser weapon and remote sensing requiring high power high focus.

    Using lasers for freespac communications is already very practical and well solved, just look at this example

    http://esc.gsfc.nasa.gov/267/2... (BTW definitely one of the better uses of NASA's budget. )

    All the other mentioned applications also have off the shelf solutions that perform exceptionally well. The weapons and high power remote sensing however while listed last seem to have the most to gain. Being able to generate a waveguide in either case solves their two big problems atmospheric distortion and the need to focus large amounts of laser energy on a small point.

    1. Re:I read the list of applications by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      I can't be the only one getting a squee moment from the fact that we might finally have a chance to create practical laser weapons.

    2. Re:I read the list of applications by jmichaelg · · Score: 1

      How well do freespace laser communication fare in foggy environments?

    3. Re:I read the list of applications by NatasRevol · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe if that squee is out of fear.

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    4. Re:I read the list of applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      says this technique can increase the SNR by 10^4, which means you can use less reliable forms of modulation to increase your channel bandwidth. this absolutely is in no way limited to only weaponry. and what is most freespac communication if not remote sensing requiring high power high focus.

    5. Re:I read the list of applications by timeOday · · Score: 1
      And you will note at the end of the paper:

      Acknowledgments

      This research was supported by the Air Force Office of Scientific Research, the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, and the National Science Foundation.

    6. Re:I read the list of applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ehh, no. free space optics means over the air, not over interplanetary space. Yes, it is stupid, but that's how it is used.

      We have good interplanetary space optical links. Not excellent, but good.

      However, down here in the blue planet, we don't have anything that good. Once we can link two towers 70km apart with a 1 Gbps link, THEN it will be good. If it goes up to 10Gbps, THEN it will be excellent.

    7. Re:I read the list of applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to fear the guys with red laser weapons. The blue laser weapons guys are ok.

    8. Re:I read the list of applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      70km LOS would require 200 foot towers at each end, it's probably going to be cheaper to run cable.

    9. Re:I read the list of applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck yeah! Murica!!1!!

      This is going to be such an AWESOME way to kill people! Shooting people to death with guns is sooo last century, but laser guns!! OMG this will make killing people sooooo much moar fun!

      MURICAAA!!!!!!!!!

    10. Re:I read the list of applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what is your point?

    11. Re:I read the list of applications by timeOday · · Score: 1

      That the parent was most likely right in surmising the intended use as a laser weapon.

    12. Re:I read the list of applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using lasers for freespac communications is already very practical and well solved, just look at this example

      Yesssssh... just like computer networking, both wired and wireless, is already very practical and well-solved, so no need for anything faster than... 10Mbit, or 11Mbit, or 54Mbit, or 100Mbit, or... take your pick.

      Really now, what are you smoking?

    13. Re:I read the list of applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why did you leave off the last sentence:

      The content of this article does not necessarily reflect the views of these organizations.

    14. Re:I read the list of applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FSO communications work very poorly in foggy environments. IR lasers (which is what all production FSO systems use) typically have a usable signal at about twice what the human eye can see (in reduced visibility environments, up to about 2km). Foggy situations are much worse than rain, as the signal from the beam refracts through each droplet with a lensing or dispersion effect. Fog droplets have the same effect but orders of magnitude more pronounced due to the higher "lens" count.

      How do I know this; ten years as support for and R&D for a now-former FSO manufacturer.

      FSO is very neat and has a place. However, it's a very niche product, and given products like Ubiquiti's AirFiber, the price point of FSO rarely is justifiable and the technical issues with FSO aren't trivial.

      FastLinks was an installation partner for MRV, which pretty much exited the FSO business entirely in 2011. (two of the three case studies were MRV) and LightPointe. LightPointe was our biggest competitor, and they did what we decided with FSO we needed to do; Integrate a Ubiquiti NanoStation 5 as a inclement weather/fog backup link.

      LightPointe has also diversified and bet a LOT more of their business on 60GHz/70GHz/80GHz AireBridge products

      On the second link, there are some serious laughs. The comment on FSO not needing specialist installers but radio requiring such; hilarious. Any idiot can setup a NBM5 link for 2 miles, tower to tower and have a reliable 100 mbit link in an afternoon. A good installation of FSO requires a day at minimum, and that's assuming your technicians know how to handle and terminate fiber properly. In addition, they'll need to know a LOT more about structural rigidity and mount placement as mount movement is a MUCH larger problem in FSO.

      And PAVData; interesting story on the history of the name. PAV. The root of the name; Male Genatalia = P, And = A, Female Genatalia = V.

    15. Re:I read the list of applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've worked on several projects before that had Air Force and Navy funding involved, and were of little practical use as a weapon. They are interested in communication and sensing methods too, which is what some high power laser projects are working toward. There is also a lot of interest in using lasers to power or recharge UAVs at a distance. While a lot of the systems vaguely resemble something that could be used as a weapon, they would suck in that role. Like questioning if a new airplane catapult for carriers could be used for launching cannonballs.

    16. Re:I read the list of applications by Capt.Albatross · · Score: 1

      The paper makes it clear that this is about remote sensing, and more about getting the response back from the remote location than getting the probe beam to it.

      The list of other potential uses seems to have been added by the linked article's author, who does not seem to have asked himself why, if you are sending guide beams to the destination, can't you just modulate them?

      The word 'weapon' does not appear in the paper, and the researchers do not seem to have attempted to guide powerful beams by this method. Given that the guide beams can create this channel, perhaps attempting to send an equally or more powerful beam through that channel would dissipate it.

    17. Re:I read the list of applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do wonder what sound those waveguides make.

    18. Re: I read the list of applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because we all live in prairies without buildings.

    19. Re:I read the list of applications by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      Using lasers for freespac communications is already very practical and well solved, just look at this example

      Yesssssh... just like computer networking, both wired and wireless, is already very practical and well-solved, so no need for anything faster than... 10Mbit, or 11Mbit, or 54Mbit, or 100Mbit, or... take your pick.

      Really now, what are you smoking?

      Actually you have an excellent example there. Networking/communication is much more sensitive to reliability issues than performance issues especially for long distance links. This may help you understand, ask yourself how many people who already have broadband will derive significant benefit from having the amount of available bandwidth increased by a factor of 10 ? Then ask yourself how many people would significantly benefit from having their reliability increased by a factor of 10 ?

      Now you also have to ask yourself if you are running 10 times the traffic through one of these links, just how much more impact will downtime have ?

      Engineering is always about balancing your choices against each other, in this case you have to think a little about just where this might actually be used. For the communication application it needs niches, where it can outperform traditional fiber, AND existing line of sight communication links.

      Hope that helps you understand why so many things you see being touted as the nicest thing since slice bread and will be everywhere in a few years, never amount to much of anything. If it doesn't see if you can find an archive of old popular science/mechanics/scientific american magazines from 20-40 years ago and look at what they were thinking would be the next big thing. Is anyone even thinking about producing a nutcracker vtol ? http://forum.keypublishing.com...

    20. Re:I read the list of applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use in a laser weapon. Ftfy. as the USAF probably tried to do with the ABL project, a militarily useful laser beam will cause ionization along the laser beam path, which seriously attenuates and defocuses the beam. If they can incorporate this wuth the Navy's shipborne laser work...

    21. Re:I read the list of applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CLACK!

    22. Re:I read the list of applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best part is that we can then encode an extensive EULA into the communication channel. It would state that by allowing the beam to enter your body you accept that you are in fact an enemy of the state and thereby are condemened to death. Anyone failing to be killed by said weapon is in serious violation of the EULA and would be subject to harsh legal penalties.

    23. Re:I read the list of applications by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      70km LOS would require 200 foot towers at each end, it's probably going to be cheaper to run cable.

      that's not too high to be honest. it would not be cheaper to dig the trench for the fiber, cross the reivers and whatever and most areas in the west already have artificial buildings higher than that, not to mention all the mountains etc.

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  5. Re:America is Booming on Toads by Russ1642 · · Score: 2

    I see you stopped your music education in kindergarten.

  6. Oh btw, this could be weaponized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Excuse the other bullshit we made up to make this look like civil research.

  7. UMD Link by bosef1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a link to the press release from UMD with some links to the professor's web site.

    http://cmns.umd.edu/news-events/features/2356

  8. Ladders! by john.tromp4295 · · Score: 1

    When reading the description of a bundle of laser beams guiding a central one, I can't help but think of a ladder evolving in the game of Go... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...

  9. What a silly title ... by MondoGordo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the chief benefit of optical fiber is that it doesn't require LOS. All they've done here is demonstrate the capability to mimic the loss-less advantages of optical fiber without actually having a fiber ... once they can do this around corners... then maybe they've "created optical fiber out of thin air" until then not so much.

    1. Re:What a silly title ... by wiggles · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not necessarily - there are lots of situations where it's not practical to run a cable. Secure connectivity between naval vessels is a prime example, others would be for use in the space program, or cheaper data communication between buildings in a campus. Residential broadband internet would be simpler - put an optical transceiver on the roof and point it at a tower - no more digging up the garden to provide fttp.

    2. Re:What a silly title ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mirrors =D

    3. Re:What a silly title ... by Dynedain · · Score: 1

      Optical is already used in those scenarios for line-of-sight networking. How does engineering a wind tunnel around a laser improve the effectiveness in any of those scenarios?

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    4. Re:What a silly title ... by wiggles · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm no expert on this technology, but from tfs, it would seem to increase bandwidth by minimizing loss over distance, allowing for longer range and faster speed.

    5. Re:What a silly title ... by fabioalcor · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily - there are lots of situations where it's not practical to run a cable. Secure connectivity between naval vessels is a prime example, others would be for use in the space program, or cheaper data communication between buildings in a campus. Residential broadband internet would be simpler - put an optical transceiver on the roof and point it at a tower - no more digging up the garden to provide fttp.

      It would work... until it rains.

    6. Re:What a silly title ... by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      Just increase the energy on the surrounding laser beams to evaporate any water in it's path. That way it can also double as a security measure.

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    7. Re:What a silly title ... by sFurbo · · Score: 1

      That would be in the same way that it would be silly to call gold a metal, because it is too soft to replace steel?

      This does more or less what an optical fiber does: It keeps light on the right path by using differences in refractive index (though I imagine the exact process is different: Optical fibers use total internal reflection, this probably just uses refraction). An optical fiber has the additional advantage of being able to go around corners, but that is not what makes it an optical fiber; the refractive index profile is.

    8. Re:What a silly title ... by MondoGordo · · Score: 1
      nice straw-man you built there ... a single shared property does not the same thing make ... a platypus and a duck are not the same species just because they have "duck bills"

      The refractive index profile is what makes it "optical" ..agreed. The part that makes it a "fiber" is it's nature of being a long fine continuous thread or filament..(which gives it the ability ti bend around corners. )

      I never said it wasn't an optical channel ... I said calling it an optical fiber made of air was silly ... they should have said something like "optical fiber effect replicated in thin air" ...

    9. Re:What a silly title ... by sFurbo · · Score: 1

      nice straw-man you built there

      It's not a straw man, as I did not indicate that you meant that gold was not a metal. It is an analogy, and possibly a bad analogy, like your platypus-duck one.

      they should have said something like "optical fiber effect replicated in thin air" ...

      If only there was some way to indicate that a phrase wasn't used literally, they could have used that in the title, and then people wouldn't be think they had made air solid and made a fiber out of it.

  10. But... by camperdave · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But, does it bend? After all, that's the point behind fiberoptics, to be able to snake a light beam around corners and through tight spaces so that we don't have to maintain perfect optical alignment over a distance. So, what's the point of this setup? Does it keep moths away by burning them on the outer beams?

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    1. Re:But... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

      Our new Monster Cable Air ionizes the air around the signal ensuring maximal defrobulation of the signal flux and maximal polarization in the near infra-red spectrum, guaranteeing a smooth, minty taste.

      When connect to your tube amplifier, this provides a sound which is spunkier and enhanced in the pink spectrum, causing women to swoon. Achieve smooth bass response like never before.

      For only eleventy zillion dollars, you too can get the most out of your sound system. :-P

      Either this stuff is real, with real benefits, or it's hype. Either way, someone will use it for marketing complete crap.

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    2. Re:But... by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      I'm not buying it unless it has gold plated connectors.

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    3. Re: But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And comes with a three wolf moon tshirt

    4. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But will it keep the oxygen out of the channel?

    5. Re:But... by johnsie · · Score: 1

      I don't care if it bends. Does it blend? That is the question.

  11. It's called Emperor Fiber by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

    It's the stuff they made the Emperor's clothes with.

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  12. Headphone cables from thin air! by BenJeremy · · Score: 0

    My phone does this, it's called "Speaker mode"

    Seriously, saying "fiber optic cables from thin air" is an idiotic statement. IR remotes have been doing this for decades, and using lasers to do so has also been done for ages.

    1. Re:Headphone cables from thin air! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      no, IR remotes and handheld lasers have not been using refractive channels made out of air as a waveguide to transmit pulses of light with as little noise as possible for decades.

    2. Re:Headphone cables from thin air! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Perhaps if you'd read more than the headline you'd see that this is not what IR remotes and lasers have been doing for ages, at all.

      Seriously, saying "fiber optic cables from thin air" is an idiotic statement.

      It's actually a pretty good summation of a very clever bit of engineering. What's your beef?

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  13. But what does it do? by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    I'm puzzled as to what this does or what it's good for, exactly.

    ... they have turned thin air into an "optical fiber" that can transmit and amplify light signals without the need for any cables.

    1. Air already transmits light signals. It's transparent.
    2. They haven't mentioned anything about amplifying light signals. This would be hard.

    So, they are creating a "pipe" that can transmit light... but it doesn't stop beam spread (since the beams that make up the "pipe" still have diffraction-limited beam spread), and it can't bend light around corners. So, they now have a pipe that will funnel a laser beam along the path made by other laser beams, which take it exactly the same path that the beam would go without the pipe...

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    1. Re:But what does it do? by mrego · · Score: 1

      Yes, but it can kill stray birds and insects...

    2. Re:But what does it do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      air is not transparent and does cause beam scattering. by creating a refractive channel like this they absolutely will reduce beam dispersion. obviously it doesn't eliminate beam spread but even a fiber channel perfectly designed for a single mode will have some diffusion so whats your point?

      they may be able to increase snr by 10^4 over current technologies at 100 m. that's a serious improvement that shouldn't simply be dismissed so thoughtlessly.

    3. Re:But what does it do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (since the beams that make up the "pipe" still have diffraction-limited beam spread),

      At high enough power levels in media, like air, this is not true. The heating and breakdown induced in air can cause the beam to self-focus. This comes at the expensive of energy from the beam, so the distance you can do this is related to the power you can produce. And at even higher powers, you have problems with it not focusing down nicely into a single structure, but forming many filaments that move around, distort things, and cause a lot more power loss. This ultimately gives a power limit you can reasonably focus at a distance using a single laser pulse. But there are quite a few multiple pulse techniques around, of which this is an advanced one, that can counteract some of the filamenting problems or at least give more control over it.

    4. Re:But what does it do? by sFurbo · · Score: 1

      What about to get the reflected beam back to the starting point (thus "remote sensing", being able to do e.g. a Raman spectrum at a long distance)? Here, you have light scattering in all directions. The optical fiber will make sure that more of it gets back the way the original laser beam came. That could be phrased as "amplification", though I think another word would be more correct.

    5. Re:But what does it do? by mehemiah · · Score: 1

      the point is that it doesn't bend. While it makes an improvement over laser communication, it's hardly as useful as an optic fiber. This is still cool.

    6. Re:But what does it do? by RH434 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Just ask the windmill power generation companies how they fared in this area.

  14. energy costs ... by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

    Sounds prohibitively expensive.

    1. Re:energy costs ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That really depends on distance, terrain and actual costs. If it can provide high bandwidth over very long distances without having to trench up the side of a mountain or into the woods, at a reasonable price it could make deploying rural broadband more likely to happen in my lifetime.

  15. Prefer this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Increasing the bandwidth of existing fiberoptic cables:

    We present simulations of a scheme to perform wavelength conversion of signals that eliminates phase-noise transfer from the pump to the converted signal. Nondegenerate four-wave mixing in a semiconductor optical amplifier is used to convert the signal to a new wavelength; and if an optical comb generator is used as the multiple-pump source, then the signal can be converted without incurring any phase-noise transfer from the pumps. We highlight the capabilities of this scheme by simulating the conversion of 16-QAM signals at 10 Gbaud and showing that errors due to phase-noise accumulation are eliminated thus enabling conversion whose only impairment would be the total additive optical noise.
    Source: http://doras.dcu.ie/19643/

  16. Pretty well actually by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

    Pretty well actually
    http://www.fastlinks-wireless....
    http://etherealmind.com/free-s...

    They are currently in widespread use

    The real question is just how much improvement would you get with the new system under inclement conditions. The other big question is how they fare against microwave links.

  17. Is it just me or ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it just me, or does the idea of "creating a ring of lasers" to enable laser communication seem sort of silly? I mean, we already can communicate using a single laser. Why bother with the ring? Does it cut through fog or something?

    The one aspect I found interesting is the differential air density. Properly tuned, it might be useful to push or drill at a distance with only light.

  18. why not just use the laser to transmit data? by Punto · · Score: 1

    Why not just use the first laser to transmit the data you need in the first place?

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    1. Re:why not just use the laser to transmit data? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      I assume the fibre created inside the "laser tube" will be less noisy, allowing higher bandwidth.

  19. Re:Climate change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, because of those fat grants scientists get for climate change research, right?

  20. Receiver must be nuke proof... by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 1

    So if I understand this correctly, the beams that form the "psudofiber" have to be intense enough to heat the surrounding air in less than a microsecond... and the signal will be pushed down the center of the pipe... so all those hoards of unholy photons that created the pipe in the first place are going to arrive at the destination a microsecond before the signal does, and they should still be nicely focused and searching for a nice electronic sensor to deposit all that energy into... Or did I miss something?

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    1. Re:Receiver must be nuke proof... by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      HP ink jet printer heads heat the ink up to temperatures 7 times hotter than the the sun. It doesn't end up burning a hole in the earth's crust though, since it only lasts 2 microseconds.
      http://h20423.www2.hp.com/prog...

      It doesn't take a lot of energy to heat something up really fast as long as it's really low mass, like air.
      In fact, the quicker you heat something up the less energy is required, since there is less time for the heat to dissipate during the heating process.

    2. Re:Receiver must be nuke proof... by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 1

      "hoards of unholy photons" didn't tip you to the fact that I was being somewhat less than scientific about my analysis?

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  21. Re:America is Booming on Toads by Cryacin · · Score: 1

    Baby on board, oh how I adored...

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  22. Missing Application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Holography. Seriously, how is this missing?

  23. Real Genius by ChadSmith4920 · · Score: 1

    But can it vaporize a human target from space?

  24. Re:America is Booming on Toads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That sign on my car's window paa-yyy aayyy aayyys...

  25. Observation at a distance by Scottingham · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This would be good for performing measurements on objects you wouldn't want to get that close to. Like nuclear reactors.

    1. Re:Observation at a distance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 17th century called, they gave us telescopes and binoculars.

  26. So a movie analogy by vsigma · · Score: 1

    Would be like the 'End' sequence in Ender's game where they use the drones to protect the gunship (or in our case the actual laser signal)

  27. Thin air? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More like thick air wrapped in thin air.

  28. Re:America is Booming on Toads by wbr1 · · Score: 1
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  29. Yawn by tlambert · · Score: 2, Informative

    Predicted the 1960's (Kerr-induced self-focusing: http://journals.aps.org/prl/ab... ), and it was a big part of SDI: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu... and was again applied to space-to-ground weapons systems in 2009: http://journals.aps.org/prl/ab...

    It was ale demonstrated at LLNL in 2009: http://www.researchgate.net/pu... and 2010: http://www.researchgate.net/pu...

    What's new about this one is that they've renamed the tunnel as the desired artifact, rather than describing it in beams going down the tunnel.

    1. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wow, you cite a bunch of theory and numeric papers, and label them as "demonstrated". You could at least find an experimental paper, e.g. demonstrating some of the effects in 2008 by experiment... oh, but that is the same group as here. To be fair though, experimental work goes back to the mid 90s, and this group has been involved in that work for 15 years now. There has been considerable improvement in the work since the original theory predictions and early experiment work in the 90s, where now using multiple lasers has given a lot more flexibility and control over propagation.

    2. Re:Yawn by sFurbo · · Score: 1

      Doesn't all of your citations only have one laser, that then focuses itself (hence "self-focusing")? Wheres this has two lasers, where one focus the other?

  30. Hopsfield: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All you'd need is a big spinning mirror and you could vaporize a human target from space.

  31. Re:America is Booming on Toads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh oh ... better tell the Key of A# that its supertonic is a C. It will be surprised!

  32. This will disrupt communications using RFC1149 by maroberts · · Score: 1

    A million pigeons cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

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    1. Re:This will disrupt communications using RFC1149 by RatherBeAnonymous · · Score: 1

      So much for the "intrinsic collision avoidance"

    2. Re:This will disrupt communications using RFC1149 by maroberts · · Score: 1

      Some avian packets will be flash fried.

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  33. Application? by angelbar · · Score: 1

    so.... A laser tube to conduct a laser signal? To protect the internal laser?

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  34. Little, as far as I can tell [But what does it do? by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    air is not transparent

    To the extent that air is not transparent, this doesn't work.

    and does cause beam scattering.

    This does not address beam scattering. If the air is scattering the laser beam, it still scatters the beam.

    by creating a refractive channel like this they absolutely will reduce beam dispersion.

    It would reduce beam spread... except that the beams that create the channel are not themselves channeled.

    obviously it doesn't eliminate beam spread

    on this we agree

    but even a fiber channel perfectly designed for a single mode will have some diffusion so whats your point?

    My point is that from a surface-level analysis, it doesn't do anything useful.

    they may be able to increase snr by 10^4 over current technologies at 100 m. that's a serious improvement that shouldn't simply be dismissed so thoughtlessly.

    Let me repeat. The beams that create the channel are not themselves channeled. So the channel itself... has the diffraction, scattering, and beam spread of an unchanneled beam. The net result can't be better than an unchanneled beam, because it is made out of an unchanneled beam.

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  35. Re:Little, as far as I can tell [But what does it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Solitons, baby.

  36. Lightsabers!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...or a laser bread slicer can now all be ours!!

  37. Sorry officer... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    I was not trying to kill him, I was simply sending him a large amount of high speed data.

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  38. Re:Little, as far as I can tell [But what does it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the channel itself... has the diffraction, scattering, and beam spread of an unchanneled beam.

    The beams making the channel are channeled by themselves, they create filaments that self-focus the beam. Self-focusing beams in air have been pretty well established at this point and will go quite far if you have enough power because of the attenuation involved.

  39. Re:America is Booming on Toads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's "how I adore", not "oh how I adored" and it's "window pane" not whatever you wrote.
    Amateurs.

  40. Re:Little, as far as I can tell [But what does it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the channel itself... has the diffraction, scattering, and beam spread of an unchanneled beam

    The channel is created out of lasers strong enough to create self-focusing filaments in air. Even if you have slight beam spread, the filamentation process cause the beam to essentially collapse to a very small diameter as long as you are above a certain power density (although high enough, and you get multiple filaments). This will negate diffraction and beam spread. Because the filament process is quite non-linear, scattering is not much of an issue and the fraction of small fraction of scattered light will not have the same effects on the air. The only big effect on the channel creation is a strong attenuation of the beam due to all of the energy being spent on ionizing the air column.

  41. Re:Little, as far as I can tell [But what does it by RatherBeAnonymous · · Score: 1

    Let me repeat. The beams that create the channel are not themselves channeled. So the channel itself... has the diffraction, scattering, and beam spread of an unchanneled beam. The net result can't be better than an unchanneled beam, because it is made out of an unchanneled beam.

    Not necessarily. Since the surrounding laser pulses should spread in a more or less uniform way, the central channel of denser air should still occur as distance from the emitter increases and remain centralized in the channel. It sounds like it will make air work a little like graded index multimode fiber. The difference in density between the central channel and the surrounding air will likely fall off with distance, making the air channel less efficient, but still present out to some distance. It's not like this would allow perfect single-mode propagation to infinity in a coherent beam, but it could improve bandwidth and/or distance capability for point-to-point laser communications.

  42. how about secure transmission by cellocgw · · Score: 1

    Granted, I'm just another /.-er who never RTFAs, but I do have some experience w/ FO comms and free-air transmitters (of one wavelength or another).

    So consider: the channeling lasers may disperse, but they carry no information beyond the existence of the channel and possibly the source and destination. The transmitted data packets do not disperse, so what you've got is the equivalent of a phased-array transmitter with zero sidelobes.

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  43. More interesting for holography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A pipe is interesting, but being able to create such pressure zones and corresponding changes in index of refraction is more interesting in generating 3D holography in a volume of air - you could make an array of these and then pulse the whole works so as to cause the air to refract in space. Just the thing for making a hologram without resorting to some kind of added media such as fog or microparticles to be the reflective "screen" in the tank.

  44. Just to say... by LienRag · · Score: 1

    Nice sig, man!

  45. Invention that makes beams do what they do anyway by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    So the channel itself... has the diffraction, scattering, and beam spread of an unchanneled beam.

    The beams making the channel are channeled by themselves, they create filaments that self-focus the beam. Self-focusing beams in air have been pretty well established at this point and will go quite far if you have enough power because of the attenuation involved.

    So, what you just said is that the beams self-channel anyway.

    So, if beams self-channel, this innovation does nothing, right? It's a complicated system of multiple beams to make the beam channel, which is to say, self-focus. But you just told me "self-focusing beams in air have been pretty well established at this point."

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  46. Re:Invention that makes beams do what they do anyw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the first sentence of the paper abstract:

    Collection of weak signals from remote locations is the primary goal and the primary hurdle of optical stand-off detection schemes.

    If this is being used to channel weak signals, than the weak signals will not create filaments or self-focus. In a bigger picture though, while a single beam will filament, a lot of improvements have been found by using two or more beams to minimize the total attenuation, as opposed to just sending all of the light at once. Especially since above a certain power density you can have problem with multiple filaments forming within the beam and they won't be symmetric or well-behaved compared to a beam with a single filament.

  47. Someone has found Tesla's notes? by Gunningthegreen · · Score: 0

    Someone has found Tesla's notes?

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