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"Magic Helmet" For F-35 Ready For Delivery

Graculus writes with news that the so called "magic helmets" for the controversial F-35 are ready for action. This week, Lockheed Martin officially took delivery of a key part of the F-35 fighter's combat functionality—the pilot's helmet. The most expensive and complicated piece of headgear ever constructed, the F-35 Gen III Helmet Mounted Display System (HMDS) is one of the multipurpose fighter's most critical systems, and it's essential to delivering a fully combat-ready version of the fighter to the Marine Corps, the Navy, and the Air Force. But it almost didn't make the cut because of software problems and side effects akin to those affecting 3D virtual reality headsets.

Built by Rockwell Collins ESA Vision Systems International (a joint venture between Rockwell Collins and the Israeli defense company Elbit Systems), the HMDS goes way beyond previous augmented reality displays embedded in pilots' helmets. In addition to providing the navigational and targeting information typically shown in a combat aircraft's heads-up display, the HMDS also includes aspects of virtual reality, allowing a pilot to look through the plane. Using a collection of six high-definition video and infrared cameras on the fighter's exterior called the Distributed Aperture System (DAS), the display extends vision a full 360 degrees around the aircraft from within the cockpit. The helmet is also equipped with night vision capabilities via an infrared sensor that projects imagery inside the facemask

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  1. Cost by NoKaOi · · Score: 2

    FTA:

    The helmet runs for about $600,000, which doesn't include software integration with the aircraft’s systems.

    1. Re:Cost by oobayly · · Score: 2

      Don't worry, it'll come down in price:

      The helmet runs for about $600,000, ... But Lockheed Martin hopes the cost will drop as production ramps up.

      Yup, I can see production really ramping up for the F-35. Like most things in life, it's possibly to build something to do everything, just don't be upset when it does everything badly.

    2. Re:Cost by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do you still drive a 70's car?

      If the price of a new car was $180M, I would definitely stick with my trusty 70s car.

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    3. Re:Cost by timeOday · · Score: 2

      Then I suggest you not enter any races in which the loser will die.

    4. Re:Cost by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      FTA:

      The helmet runs for about $600,000, which doesn't include software integration with the aircraft’s systems.

      How would you like to be the first guy to drop one of these... you know it's going to happen...

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    5. Re:Cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Races are a voluntary event just like air battles.

      The USA is not currently in danger of being invaded and does not currently need a $1 trillion fighter jet. We could have instead used this period of relative calm to assess our needs in a 5th generation fighter and been smart about designing and manufacturing it.

      Instead, we immediately handed over an unbelievably high sum of money to the first defense contractor who shit something out in powerpoint. Then we repeatedly shoved more and more money into their hands as they came back with 'issues' to be solved.

    6. Re:Cost by pesho · · Score: 2

      Oh we are using the car analogy, aren't we? Well let's see... If my brand new 21st century car has the same speed, larger turning radius, shorter range, smaller trunk, costs 10 times more to buy and is more expensive to run.... yes I would stick to my 70's car. F35 is akin to the German Tiger and Panter tanks in WWII. They were technical marvels. Could destroy any tank on such distance that the opposition wouldn't know what hit them. But it didn't matter, because for every Tiger produced there were ~30 shermans and even more T34's. The tigers were scary but at the end they got swarmed and wiped out. The same will happen with the F35's in a real shooting war with a capable opponent. F35 is supposed to be stealthy, but it isn't. It can be picked on a longer wavelength radars. It will be picked by any country that has integrated air defence system. Its main advantage is its ability to integrate sensor information from multiple sources. But this does not warrant building a hugely expensive fighter from scratch. Put the same system on an F18 and F16 and you will have even more capable fighter.

    7. Re:Cost by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Then I suggest you not enter any races in which the loser will die.

      I would suggest that you give more thought to 'races' where outnumbering the opponent and firing anti-aircraft weapons at them from the ground is acceptable...

      Even if we suspect that a nasty shooting war with a modern adversary is in the cards, it's a bit of a problem that our current next generation super plane costs so much that we'll necessarily have them in quite limited numbers and be unwilling and (in a conflict of any nontrivial size or duration) unable to expose them to serious risks.

      This is especially bad if they turn out to be seriously vulnerable to any missile system developed that isn't ruinously expensive per shot or a closely held secret used only by somebody's elite guard. Obviously the cost of pilots means that the US isn't going to be doing many aerial human wave attacks (short of a WWII-style mobilization); but we certainly aren't going to be fielding larger air forces, or ones better able to resupply after losses, because our fancy aircraft cost north of $100 million a pop.

    8. Re:Cost by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      On the plus side, they might actually survive that. If memory serves aircraft helmets (while probably not as concerned with ballistics as infantry ones) are supposed to at least not endanger the pilot, and ideally to protect him, during fairly violent maneuvers like ejection.

      That said, I wouldn't want to be the lucky guy who gets to find out.

    9. Re:Cost by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      lol we still have pilots who actually sit in planes? lol.

    10. Re:Cost by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Only when we aren't trying to figure out why the planes keep asphyxiating them; but in theory, yes...

    11. Re:Cost by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Problem is foreign air forces might not play the game and instead send up long range stealth cruise missiles at one hundredth the cost or one hundred times as many incoming fighters. All networked together, sharing data and combining their attack.

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    12. Re:Cost by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      > This is especially bad if they turn out to be seriously vulnerable to any missile system developed that isn't ruinously expensive per shot or a closely held secret used only by somebody's elite guard

      Or if, say, the very large and expensive amount of fuel used b supersonic aircraft can be cut off by the opposing force bombing the oil lines from their own country that we relied on to get cheap fuel. It's a bit of a conundrum when the country you're invading is a major source of your fuel. Or if what you need to "win" the conflict is troops and engineers and nurses on the ground to re-establish water, food, and medical supplies after a decade of civil strife.

      $500,000 missiles that can hit another supersonic craft at speed is a complete waste of resources in most modern conflicts. The more sophisticated US craft, and their pilots, very effectively cleared the air and the ground of Iraqi and Afghanistani armor and military vehicles in the last few wars. But I'm afraid the lessons of Vietnam and Korea were ignored. Successful air campaigns lead to wars of occupation, and both countries have _centuries_ of experience of outlasting foreign invaders.

    13. Re:Cost by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      Do you still drive a 70's car?

      If the price of a new car was $180M, I would definitely stick with my trusty 70s car.

      Depends on if you're up against other 70s cars or something more recent that could wipe your muscle car off the road.

      What's the requirement?
      What's the cost of meeting the requirement?

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    14. Re:Cost by Goose+In+Orbit · · Score: 1

      "plus our allies are buying a whole bunch"

      And in the meantime we in the UK won't have an aircraft carrier worth the name for the best part of a decade...

      We have the boats... just not the planes (I assume the recent grounding will put back delivery another year or two)

      Should have stuck with the Harrier...

    15. Re:Cost by CreatureComfort · · Score: 1

      \ TL;DR

      Quantity has a Quality all of its own.

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    16. Re:Cost by sycodon · · Score: 1

      That's how we ended up battling superior A6M Zero's with technically inferior F-4F Wildcat's during the first years of WWII.

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    17. Re:Cost by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      If the hardware is sufficiently general, wouldn't it be possible to use in other airplanes, or even in remote drone control? That is, if economy of scale is the problem.

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    18. Re:Cost by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      Depends on if you're up against other 70s cars or something more recent that could wipe your muscle car off the road.

      What's the requirement?

      What's the cost of meeting the requirement?

      I think the more relevant question is "What's the cost of not meeting the requirement?" and perhaps weigh that against the cost of meeting it.

      You don't want to be spending the treasury on hardware you don't need, but neither do you want to be caught riding horses to meet the Blitz.

    19. Re:Cost by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      Its main advantage is its ability to integrate sensor information from multiple sources. But this does not warrant building a hugely expensive fighter from scratch. Put the same system on an F18 and F16 and you will have even more capable fighter.

      The F-35, AKA Joint Strike Fighter, is more akin to what happened to the Space Shuttle - it's a single aircraft that is suppose to meet the needs of all the different branches. This also why the Space shuttle was such a brick to fly, so costly, and had wings. Hopefully the F-35 won't meet the same end.

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    20. Re:Cost by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Yet in the end Japan lost the war because their industrial power was much inferior.

      Guess where is that industrial power today.

    21. Re: Cost by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      "Army"

      I don't think that word means what you think it means.

      BTW: You reject most of the brainwashing - don't believe the hype about the brown people, either.

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    22. Re:Cost by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "The USA is not currently in danger of being invaded and does not currently need a $1 trillion fighter jet. "

      Especially when the $1 trillion fighter jet started out as the cheaper, less capable, issue-em-in-bulk, pan-forces one-size-fits-all alternative to the Halo product - the F22

      It's turned into a camel and it should go the same way as the F-111B (the last major attempt to produce an all-forces aircraft)

      Actually it reminds me of telco days when some bright spark came up with the idea of a single configurable interface card to simplify stock holdings - we went from having to keep a few spares of 10 lines of $10 cards which seldom-if-ever failed, to 1 line of $500 all-singing-all-dancing electronic cards which were remarkabaly susceptable to ESD had to be carefully configured before being deployed and was easily installed in the wrong position (they were all the same colour and ID code, so we had to add our own labels, etc)

      After a few years the decision was made to mostly go back to the passive cards. Even if you didn't have exactly the right one onhand it was just a matter of changing padding resistors, at a few cents a pop (the PCBs were all the same, it was just relay/attentuator values which varied.) and we managed to bring it down to 4 variants by simply restandardising various legacy equipment line levels to 1 level - 0bm out and -12dBm in. (the variants were all about how the signalling was fed to relays and as we were 99% standardised already, that meant that 1 line of cards would handle almost everything and fitting a jumper to that would handle the other cases.)

      Then there was the radio tone-signalling system which was based on a Z80 (in 1989!) and occupied 4 slots of a 10U frame and took so long to propagate singalling that it was useless for multi-station relay setups - which it was intended for in the first place. An alternative design appeared within 3 months (knocked up by a tech) which worked faster, used 1% of the componentry and was the size of a standard linecard, but "not invented here" meant that the telco persisted with the older design through 5 years, an add-on coprocessor and recall/resdeign of all boards (they never solved the problems and finally dumped it when trunked landmobile took off in the 1990s)

    23. Re:Cost by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "We plan to buy roughly 2,400 of them, plus our allies are buying a whole bunch"

      Yeah right.

      Congress has been squeezing those numbers at every pass. It's simply too expensive to field in those numbetrs. Something has to give.

    24. Re: Cost by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1
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    25. Re: Cost by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1
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  2. Elmer Fudd by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 5, Funny

    Spear and magic helllllemt!

    1. Re:Elmer Fudd by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      Spear and magic helllllemt!

      For those under 30 who might not get the reference: What's Opera, Doc?, 1957

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    2. Re:Elmer Fudd by cold+fjord · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:Elmer Fudd by Tiger+Smile · · Score: 1

      Sorry, the spear is going to cost extra.

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    4. Re:Elmer Fudd by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      I'm in my 20s and I saw that cartoon a hundred times as a kid. It's probably still being shown.

    5. Re:Elmer Fudd by John.Banister · · Score: 1

      For some reason, Conrad Schnitzler's Tonhelm also came to mind.

    6. Re:Elmer Fudd by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

      Exactly the first image that comes to my mind at the words "Magic helmet", too.

  3. Outstanding... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now all we need is a functional aircraft...

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    1. Re:Outstanding... by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      That's what I thought when the UK announced their new aircraft carrier recently.

    2. Re:Outstanding... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      It will likely be one.

    3. Re:Outstanding... by msauve · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, we're paying for many more than one.

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    4. Re:Outstanding... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      What I mean is that the plane isn't even in service yet.

      Lots of people say it's shit but I have no idea how much they know about military hardware and the plane and how it has been with other planes and what not.

      I know there's at least some video on YouTube from at least someone who supposedly should know their shit which say it's bad too but I don't know whatever that's correct or not.

      Here in Sweden people made a lot of fun of the JAS-39 since it crashed in Stockholm during and exhibition and there was shirts saying it was the worlds most expensive rooter (rotary cultivator), maybe it have still been expensive but today it seem like enough other countries consider it a good plane at at least more countries are interested in it now when back then (which may seem illogical since then may have been closer to 20 years back.)

      I guess chances are the F-35 is a better plane 2020 and maybe in 2040 people will be as comfortable with it as the current planes now.

    5. Re:Outstanding... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      What I mean is that the plane isn't even in service yet.

      That's the problem. My country decided to buy these things and participate in the development as a level 2 partner. That has some advantages, and at the time was cheaper than buying off the shelf, plus we got a good deal of offset orders for our own aerospace industry. However, the projected cost per plane has already increased by 45%, and it's still not clear how much the final sticker price will be, or how the plane will perform.

      The one big advantage of buying off the shelf is: you know what you're getting and at what price. However I also know how the Dutch military likes to buy stuff: off the shelf is never good enough, and every design needs "to be peed on", as the expression goes, meaning everyone must be allowed to give input as if marking their territory.

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    6. Re:Outstanding... by dywolf · · Score: 1

      the aircraft is functional with several squadrons already stood up and operating. the mechs are already training in how to maintain it. pilots are already running training missions to become proficient.

      the helmet is not required to operate the aircraft, and in many ways should have been its own research and development project, simply because of its own complexity. but once completed the helmet and its systems oan be retrofitted to most any aircraft dramatically increasing pilot capability and awareness.

      there is no doubt the aircraft is WAY over due, and WAY overcost. and IMO they tried to do too much too fast, and were far too lenient with the manufacturer basically turning it into a jobs program for the past decade and a half.

      But it's still one helluva beautiful and capable plane, regardless of the opinions uninformed and ignorant slashdotters who dont live and work within that community.

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    7. Re:Outstanding... by CreatureComfort · · Score: 1

      That doesn't mean more than one at a time will ever be in flyable condition.

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  4. Is this the same Lockheed Martin... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    that's embroiled in the Social Security IT boondoggle?!?

    It's boondoggles all the way down!!!

    1. Re:Is this the same Lockheed Martin... by GenaTrius · · Score: 1

      Lockheed Martin is a major defense contractor. They do damn near everything. They're practically a part of the government. Military-industrial complex and all that.

  5. Re:What obscene prices... by presidenteloco · · Score: 1

    Yes but the toilet seat has downward facing fricking lasers that scan your "bodily output" to provide full medical tri-corder capability. A bargain at twice the price.

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  6. Bugs... by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 1

    Does this thing acutally work or is it as bugridden as the rest of the F-35? I sure would not want to be sitting in an F-35 when the rendering software has a buffering issue or just plain segfaults in the middle of a dogfight.

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    1. Re:Bugs... by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not sure it'll see many dogfights in any case. I'm told that the F35 is the largest, heaviest fighter with an airframe that produces the most drag, that the US has ever produced, and the huge engine that makes it fly puts out a very clear heat signature without providing much range, speed or maneuverability. It's been described as "can't run, can't fight, can't hide", and missions assume that older fighters go ahead and clean up the resistance so the F35 can complete its mission unchallenged. So, I'd imagine that if the F35 finds itself in a dogfight, something has gone very wrong with the mission.

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    2. Re:Bugs... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      It's not bug-ridden, it's handy-capable.

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    3. Re:Bugs... by pkinetics · · Score: 1

      Another flying bus!!! So much for Col John Boyd and the E-M modeling...

      History, we don't need to learn no history!

    4. Re:Bugs... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Can you call them "bugs" when they were specific design specifications?

      The F-35 is a $300billion dollar abomination. Earlier today, there was a story about a $300million dollar IT mess in federal government and there were howls of outrage.

      This useless plane is 1000 times more expensive and unlike the IT mess, the plane's "bugs" are there by design.

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    5. Re:Bugs... by alen · · Score: 1

      the AWACS are there to guide the F-35 to kill enough aircraft first so there is no dog fight

    6. Re:Bugs... by Guy+From+V · · Score: 2

      It depends on what role they want the F-35 to play, I've seen that it was designed alternatively either as a fighter or multirole aircraft. As a swing-role or multirole craft this could easily dominate. As a fighter, that is harder to see for the very reasons you brought up...size, drag etc...but the stealth and electronic warfare packages, which I assume this helmet plays a major role in monitoring and interfacing, might be a trump card that overcomes it's deficiencies in air-to-air and air superiority combat.

    7. Re:Bugs... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      About the ECM, the story is that the F35 only has effective ECM in the same frequency range that it's own radar uses -- effectively limiting it to C band. It has stealth features, but they are largely negated by the heat put out by that huge engine. These two weaknesses sum up the "can't hide" part of the F35's deficiencies.

      Mind you, I've been out of the war toys business for many years. I only know what I've read. But it's not promising.

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    8. Re:Bugs... by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      I would not bet on it being the last fighter. There are already proposals for a 6th generation fighter floating around such as the Boeing F/A-XX.

      The pilots have g-limits but it is certainly possible to increase speed or reduce fuel consumption.

    9. Re:Bugs... by Guy+From+V · · Score: 1

      Lol, nice. Can it, at least, maybe use the EC to mask it's own signature it's putting out? That would be like covering up your own footsteps by yelling I guess, heh.

    10. Re:Bugs... by timeOday · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm told that the F35 is the largest, heaviest fighter with an airframe that produces the most drag, that the US has ever produced...

      And where did you hear it? According to wikipedia:

      Wingspan:
      F35: 35'
      F14: 64' / 38' (swept)
      F15: 42'
      F16: 32'
      F18 C/D: 40'

      Empty Weight
      F35: 29,000 lb
      F14: 43,700 lb
      F15: 28,000 lb
      F16: 18,900 lb
      F18: 23,000 lb

      Combat radius (internal stores)
      F35: 600 nm
      F14: 500 nm
      F15: 1000 nm
      F16: 340 nm
      F18: 400 nm

      Of what can be verified, none of what you heard is correct...

    11. Re:Bugs... by Xest · · Score: 2

      Every new aircraft gets slated to hell though, people were saying the harrier jump jet was useless for similar reasons. The idea of a VTOL aircraft useful in both air to air and air to ground was an impossible ineffective pipe dream according to many.

      Yet it's still in use by the US now and has seen more combat than most other jets having been engaged in everything from the Falklands, to Iraq (both times) to Afghanistan.

      You only really know how great an aircraft is when it's tried and tested in combat, everything up until that point is hearsay. Many predicted the UK would get slaughtered trying to take the Falklands back because sending a carrier with the laughing stock in some circles which was the Harrier onboard meant they'd get destroyed from the air, yet when it came to the Harrier ended up proving it's worth in defence of the fleet taking on some at the time perfectly capable Argentinian aircraft like French supplied Mirages and Super Etendards, US supplied Skyhawks, and Israeli supplied Daggers. The naysayers were proven wrong, and the harrier was proven an aircraft that was extremely effective and is still so right up until this very day where it's still active in Afghanistan.

      The harrier isn't alone in this story, many other aircraft have been through the exact same thing of being slagged off as worthless only to turn out extremely effective. I think even some of the UK's iconic and most successful World War II aircraft even had their vocal doubters early on.

    12. Re:Bugs... by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      The F35 doesn't carry enough ordanance to take on more than a couple of opposing aircraft.

    13. Re:Bugs... by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "The naysayers were proven wrong,"

      A large part of why Harriers proved so effective in dogfights was that they could swing their nozzles around to provide reverse thrust in midair, changing speed from 500mph to zero very quickly, without stalling. ...At which point the A4 skyhawk (fitted with 1960s avionics) on your tail would lumber past and you could pick it off with your air to air missle or even the cannon.

      If you try that in a F35B you'll rip the airframe apart.

    14. Re:Bugs... by Xest · · Score: 1

      The harrier nozzles can't be put into a forward position, they're shielded from the front.

      The harrier itself was a 60s aircraft, though like the Skyhawk saw upgrades throughout it's lifetime. Aircraft like the Super Etendard, and Dagger were 70s aircraft.

  7. Universal antipathy by Tailhook · · Score: 1

    Check out the groupthink.

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  8. Re:Watch the F-35 get blown out of the skies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yeah, maybe, but ours has a MAGIC HELMET!

  9. Re:What obscene prices... by XanC · · Score: 1

    You've got your period and comma keycaps swapped. Or you're European, I guess. Either way, it doesn't make sense to write numbers that way.

  10. There's still one thing missing by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

    Now that we have the Magic Helmet, is somebody going to develop the spear that's supposed to go with it?

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  11. Re:Watch the F-35 get blown out of the skies by sribe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why? What evidence or precedent do you have for that statement? When in recent history have our planes been blown out of the sky by Russian-produced missiles?

  12. Re:Watch the F-35 get blown out of the skies by alen · · Score: 2

    because the russian missiles worked so well in iraq in 1990 and 2003?

    F-35 + electronic warfare will destroy the russian missile batteries

  13. Re:no, just people by Tailhook · · Score: 2, Insightful

    bigoted

    "King Obama" is racist? Fuck you and your race card.

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  14. I can build lots of drones for $300B USD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Leave the pilot on the ground and you won't need a fancy helmet.

    1. Re:I can build lots of drones for $300B USD by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Leave the pilot on the ground and you won't need a fancy helmet.

      If you plan to use it as a fighter you will certainly need the "fancy" helmet.

    2. Re:I can build lots of drones for $300B USD by mirix · · Score: 1

      If you put the person controlling the drone inside the drone, it would fix the latency issue... oh wait.

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  15. I'm curious by justthinkit · · Score: 1

    What was wrong with the F-22 that the F-35 was going to fix?

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    1. Re:I'm curious by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Informative

      What was wrong with the F-22 that the F-35 was going to fix?

      I am out of my element a bit here, but my understanding is that the F22 is an air superiority fighter only, whereas the F35 was supposed to be a multirole aircraft (air-to-air and air-to-ground) with (optional) VTOL features, (which no version of the F22 has) all in the same airframe. It was supposed to be the Windows 8 of fighter aircraft, a single airframe to take the place of a bunch of other craft.

      ...and apparently, it works about as well as you would expect of those types of solutions...

      And, it was (giggle) supposed to (snerk) be (Bwaaaa haa haaa) affordable. Sorry, I can't say that with a straight face.

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    2. Re:I'm curious by Guy+From+V · · Score: 1

      Cost.

    3. Re:I'm curious by GarethIwanFairclough · · Score: 1

      What was wrong with the F-22 that the F-35 was going to fix?

      I am out of my element a bit here, but my understanding is that the F22 is an air superiority fighter only, whereas the F35 was supposed to be a multirole aircraft (air-to-air and air-to-ground) with (optional) VTOL features, (which no version of the F22 has) all in the same airframe. It was supposed to be the Windows 8 of fighter aircraft, a single airframe to take the place of a bunch of other craft.

      ...and apparently, it works about as well as you would expect of those types of solutions...

      And, it was (giggle) supposed to (snerk) be (Bwaaaa haa haaa) affordable. Sorry, I can't say that with a straight face.

      Pretty much. It has similarities to the relationship between the F-15 and F-16 development projects. One was built to do one thing, the other was built as a response to it when it started getting out of control. A kind of "Little and large" relationship. Though now the f35 has gotten out of control...sheesh :(

    4. Re:I'm curious by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      The F-22 is the special fighter with all of the extras that the US is keeping for just itself while the F-35 is able to be exported to other countries.

    5. Re:I'm curious by jkmartin · · Score: 1

      There is a PBS Nova documentary (Battle of the X Planes) that explains that if you took fighter development and acquisition costs and graphed it out that in 50 years you would be spending the entire defense budget on 1 plane. The Air Force would fly the plane 4 days a week, the Navy 3 days a week, and the Marines could have it once every 4 years on leap day.

      The F-35 was supposed to address the soaring costs by use of a fairly standard airframe and parts across 3 distinct users. The F-35 would also provide more of a ground attack capability than the F-22 and be available for export.

      Needless to say the project hasn't gone as envisioned and the F-35 is likely to be the last manned fighter aircraft we ever build. If we weren't already $100s of billions into the process it would probably be better to forget the whole thing and focus on mission-specific drones rather than an unaffordable plane that does nothing particularly well.

    6. Re:I'm curious by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      The F-35 was supposed to be cheaper and sold to US partners. Sort of like the F-16.

      It turns out it is costing more per plane than the F-22 however.

    7. Re:I'm curious by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      The F-104 Starfighter was supposed to be a cheap Mach 2 fighter. It was precisely that. It was also designed in record time with nothing but drafting boards and sliderules. It was just accident prone. The F-35 has taken forever to develop, costs more than an F-22 per unit, is slower than the F-104 Starfighter from the 1950s. It uses less fuel and has more advanced weapons. That is about it.

    8. Re:I'm curious by jd2112 · · Score: 2

      What was wrong with the F-22 that the F-35 was going to fix?

      I am out of my element a bit here, but my understanding is that the F22 is an air superiority fighter only, whereas the F35 was supposed to be a multirole aircraft (air-to-air and air-to-ground) with (optional) VTOL features, (which no version of the F22 has) all in the same airframe. It was supposed to be the Windows 8 of fighter aircraft, a single airframe to take the place of a bunch of other craft.

      ...and apparently, it works about as well as you would expect of those types of solutions...

      And, it was (giggle) supposed to (snerk) be (Bwaaaa haa haaa) affordable. Sorry, I can't say that with a straight face.

      So, it's a flying Swiss Army Knife. Sure, it has a spork, scissors, tweezers, a nail file, a screwdriver, and a dozen other tools and perhaps even a knife in there somewhere for good measure but it sucks as any of them.

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    9. Re:I'm curious by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Once the basics of supersonic flight were understood and the materials science behind the engine tech was perfected, it was easy to produce an aircraft that went Mach 2, so the F-104 isn't something to really be compared to the F-35.

    10. Re:I'm curious by dywolf · · Score: 1

      The F104 wasnt designed for ground attack, or to replace 5 different aircraft.
      It also wasnt designed for manueverability or air superiority, nor did it have much in the way of avionics.
      It was a pure zoom climb interceptor, heance the extreme top speed.
      It's nickname of the Manned Missile is entirely accurate.

      Comparing the 104 to the 35 is like comparing a $500,000 Ferrari with all the bells and whistles to a $1000 VW Bug that's had a rocket strapped on the back.
      (and being slower than the 104 really isnt relevant to anything...lots of perfectly capable modern fighters are)

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    11. Re:I'm curious by citizenr · · Score: 1

      It didnt have a turret, enough armor, and couldnt swim.

      * https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    12. Re:I'm curious by bkmoore · · Score: 1

      .... It uses less fuel and has more advanced weapons. That is about it.

      It's all about the weapons and the sensors to cue those weapons. The airframe is secondary. It just gets the weapons to where they need to be to be launched.

      The F-104 had the pilot's eyeballs as the long-range sensor, and a primative gun radar. The weapons were the M61 and AIM-9. The F-35 has an advanced radar system, data-link, probably other sensors we don't know about. Weapons would be the AIM-120, AIM-9, JDAM, and other weapons we probably don't know about. The only debate is those sensors and weapons could have been integrated into a less expensive, more conventional airframe.

    13. Re:I'm curious by bkmoore · · Score: 1

      The F104 wasnt designed for ground attack,...

      And that's where most of the mishaps originated, misuse of the F-104 in the ground attack role. The F-104 actually had a good safety record when it was operated as intended: a high-altitude, VFR interceptor. The Italians for example had a good safety record. The Germans, not so much.

    14. Re:I'm curious by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      You mean about as practical in use as this swiss army knife

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  16. Re:Watch the F-35 get blown out of the skies by GarethIwanFairclough · · Score: 1

    By a dedicated but somewhat mass produced Russian missile, should a major conflict arise.

    Or the dozen "good enough" fighter jets that swarm it.

  17. Re:Watch the F-35 get blown out of the skies by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

    Iraq did not have the Archer (R-73) or Adder (R-77) all aspect missiles available. Had they had those on Su-27 or Mig-29 platforms the result might have been a lot different.

  18. Re:Watch the F-35 get blown out of the skies by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

    Also most of their airforce was composed of utterly obsolete Mig-21s.

  19. Prior Art by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1
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  20. Pretty cool video showing the helmet in operation by Goldenhawk · · Score: 4, Informative

    This video
      http://www.c-span.org/video/?c...
    shows the symbology and operation of the helmet as a reporter wears it. It's expensive, yes, but it's revolutionary.

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  21. If this helmet is that great by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 2

    Why wouldn't you pretty much use this in every fighter plane we use. (I mean besides having to come up with upgraded electronics for the F-15, F-16, F-18, ETC) Why tie it to the F-35?

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    1. Re:If this helmet is that great by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      I would imagine it would take a lot of rewiring to get the camera's etc in place. My father used to work for an aerospace company as an electrician, trust me, there is not a lot of room in fighter jets to just add more stuff. Components would need to be replaced with miniature or more compact versions to make more space for the new equipment, this in turn would require changes to the wiring harness etc. etc. Probably be cheaper to buy an F-35 than try retrofit another plane - well maybe not considering the price tag of the F-35!.

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    2. Re:If this helmet is that great by dywolf · · Score: 1

      that is the eventual goal, and the helmet probably should have been its own development project.

      that said, just "adding" something to existing airframes is difficult. unless you've worked on planes, you probably have no idea just how cramped for space they are internally with all the avionics boxes and wiring (miles and miles of wiring)

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    3. Re:If this helmet is that great by tapi0 · · Score: 1
      > gives a new meaning to "fly by wire"

      well, no, that literally is the meaning of fly by wire

  22. Israeli defense company by msobkow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    An Israeli defense company, eh?

    Well, no one is quite the expert at mass murder that the Israelis are, as they're proving in Gaza right now by butchering 4 civilians for every enemy "soldier" that they kill.

    Can you imagine the uproar if 80% of those killed in Afghanistan by US forces were civilians?

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    1. Re:Israeli defense company by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      > Can you imagine the uproar if 80% of those killed in Afghanistan by US forces were civilians?

      They mostly are civilian casualties. Much of what's happening now in Afghanistan is guerrilla warfare, not military forces.

  23. Re: Watch the F-35 get blown out of the skies by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

    You might want to look at how many F-35s are actually being ordered. They could very well be outnumbered 12 to 1 in a given engagement with, for example, China or Russia.

  24. Two words by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

    Falcon brain.

    .

  25. Bad Plane by Chris+L.+Mason · · Score: 2

    This plane is an ef'ing joke, at least from my perspective as Canadian ex-military. Does not operate well in cold weather, and has only one engine. If you lose an engine while patrolling the arctic, you go down. This is an overpriced, overcomplicated piece of shit. Our government has produced at least two reports that have stated that this is an inappropriate and overpriced solution for what we need, yet regardless the federal government (across two parties) seems to keep trying to back it, and even now, another report is surfacing suggesting this might change.

    Small, stupid suggestion: Screw this boondoggle, and pay Canadian companies to produce a world-class, well-designed and actually useful aircraft to replace the well-performing, but old, CF-18s. And if the US doesn't like it, too bad.

    Add to that special helmets? By a country engaged in war-crimes and atrocities? Yeah, that will sell it.

    1. Re:Bad Plane by PPH · · Score: 1

      pay Canadian companies to produce a world-class, well-designed and actually useful aircraft

      We could sell you some Bomarcs instead. Our foreign curtomers will buy what we tell them to. So price and performance aren't issues (to us).

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  26. Re:Watch the F-35 get blown out of the skies by mirix · · Score: 1

    Serbia managed to wipe out an F-117 with late 50's soviet SAM S-125.

    Maybe iraq army was inept.

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  27. Only a few hundred billion dollars.. by Rick+in+China · · Score: 1

    It'll win all the dog fights US engages in these days! Priorities people, come on.

      Benghazi. Deathpanels. Look over there!

  28. Sci-Fi Story by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    The main characters' name was Mingolla. He was in a war in the near future in Central America. The chopper pilots wore these helmets that they never took off; they claimed the helmets let them see the future, the helmets told them he would get wounded but in a good way - just enough to get sent home.

    Can't recall the name of the story though.

  29. pffft by tapi0 · · Score: 1

    most expensive and complicated headwear ever constructed?
    obviously never been to Ascot Ladies Day! http://www.bing.com/images/sea...

  30. Re: Watch the F-35 get blown out of the skies by dywolf · · Score: 1

    even if those numbers were true the F22 and F35 have been designed with the capability to track and engage extremely large numbers are enemy aircraft. the probably of them being swarmed by even half that number are slim to none as the mission doctrine is to engage from maximum range long before being detected, reducing the enemy numbers before they even know they are being hunted.

    the F22 alone is publicly capable of carrying 6 AAMRAMs and 2 Sidewinders. the AAMRAMs would be fired off first as the distance is closed leaving 6 aircraft to deal with, 4 if the Sidewinders are launched on the way in as well. The maneuverability of the F22, combined with the computers ability to maintain tracking of the enemy fighters make the F22 absolutely lethal in a gunfight. 4 on one and even 6 on one is not much of a threat for our current fighters as it is, unless flown against a comparable nation (EF2000s, Rafales, etc), and the F22 outperforms our current jets considerably.The F35 is similarly overdesigned.

    Simple fact is that a flight four F22/35's, a typical flight size, could engage and destroy as many 24 enemy fighters from long range alone, long before they even knew they were there. That's two entire air squadrons of aircraft. If you want to include mopping up some additional jets with guns, say 1 or 2 each, that's now 28 or 32 aircraft destroyed. So now 3 squadrons decimated. Those are numbers you simply unlikely to even see fielded by a potential enemy in modern air combat. Those numbers are only potentially likely in a WW3 scenario, and even that's unlikely considering how many ways we have to cripple aircraft on the ground.

    There simply is no longer any scenario in which we do NOT have complete air dominance over any enemy country.

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  31. Re:Watch the F-35 get blown out of the skies by Goose+In+Orbit · · Score: 1

    Two letters...

    U 2

  32. Re:Watch the F-35 get blown out of the skies by Goose+In+Orbit · · Score: 1

    At which point the industry will present their "new improved" model (at twice the cost, naturally)

  33. Re: Watch the F-35 get blown out of the skies by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    The F-35 is not an air superiority craft. I imagine the F-22s will clear the way, absolutely obliterating anything in front of them. There is nothing today that even approaches the air-to-air lethality of the F-22.

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  34. Sounds familiar... by yoda-dono · · Score: 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    (Sorry, only good clip I could find was of the dub, but when Isamu speaks, it worth mentioning he is voiced by a young Bryan Cranston.)

  35. Re:no, just people by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

    There's a whole world of bigotry out there that doesn't revolve around racism. Sure, it's typically used in association with easy visual targets, like the color of one's skin or gender, but bigotry can also crop up with regard to sexual orientation, nationalism, wealth, cultural trends (those hipster, amIright?), political orientation, or really anything at all. As soon as you carry negative associations with a group or label, you've engaged in bigotry whenever you deal with that someone of that group. Me? I detest salesmen. Even the nicest of people, if introduced as a salesmen, get the stinkeye from me. What can I say, we all have issues.

    You could quite easily argue that the presumed bigotry from the above post is targeted towards military involvement. Considering he has two references to the "war-mongering military industrial complex". Or kings, as he has two references to that as well.

    So, I guess what I'm trying to say is: Fuck you and your "you played the race card" card.

    Of course, saying that he "doesn't suffer bigoted fools lightly" is a little ironic. "Not suffering [group]" pretty much makes him a bigot himself. It's not that bad of an irony though. I mean, really, bigots. Fuck'em.

  36. thank you for spending my money on shit by Mr_Nitro · · Score: 1

    /rant on fuck this crap, people... fuck all this military shit...seriosuly..we need other things in this world, not this nonsense... we could have free housing and food for everyone...they are not privileges..they are what everyone needs and should have. Work is just slavery and you know that, money is the ultimate enslavement tool. Wake up people.... fuck the 1% and their war shit.. and fuck religion fanatics too...

    1. Re:thank you for spending my money on shit by FreedomFirstThenPeac · · Score: 1

      fuck the 1% and their war shit.. and fuck religion fanatics too...

      Another dreamer wishing in one hand and shitting in the other, I wonder which hand fills up first.

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  37. The real timing question by FreedomFirstThenPeac · · Score: 1

    What does a physically limited human in a helmet in the cockpit bring to the battle that a physically remote human in a helmet cannot do? Is the extra "situation awareness" brought about by the kinesthetic sense and the millisecond lag caused by speed-of-signal issues worth the extra cost of making an expensive toy for pilots over making a slightly less expensive toy for armchair warriors? Do we really expect the on-site human to be able to whip that $600K helmet off, squint Dirty Harry style and squeeze of a few thousand well placed rounds into a target that cannot be seen without the enhancements of that helmet? When I was AF, I'd have raised these issues and probably been told what I was told then, the remote sensing and control technology just is not up to the task.

    "Prove it" says I, and I would invoke the post WWI demonstration bombing that got Billy Mitchell in trouble.

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  38. Re:fuck this category by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

    Just like strapping an Oculus Rift, to the back of a turkey.

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  39. Re: Watch the F-35 get blown out of the skies by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

    "The F-35 is not an air superiority craft."

    That's correct. It's supposed to be the _CHEAP_ folllowup when the F22s have done their job.

    Even if everything worked, it was too expensive even before the costs started spiralling.

  40. hi tech. by axd1967 · · Score: 1

    ... with built-in shades that drop automatically when a BSOD is detected.

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  41. But... by rocket+rancher · · Score: 1

    you have to think in Russian! :)

  42. Re: Watch the F-35 get blown out of the skies by findoutmoretoday · · Score: 1

    Engage 24 enemy airfighters with what? I read "two internal bays with two pylons each". You can add exterior weapons but then the plane is even less stealth. Agile is not a problem as it is never a good flyer.

  43. Re: Watch the F-35 get blown out of the skies by dywolf · · Score: 1

    You must have missed where I said a typical "flight of four" aircraft.

    The F22 is currently capable of carrying 6 missiles (typically the larger AAMRAM) internally in the main bay and 2 Sidewinders (1 each) in the smaller side bays. In addition it has 2 hardpoints under each wing, each of which can carry an additional 2 Missiles, for a total of 8 additional missiles. That's a maximum loadout of 16 AA missiles, at the cost of stealth capability.

    So for a flight of four F22s you're looking at a typical "At Range Engagement Capabilty" of as many 32 enemy aircraft, and up to 64 aircraft if they're loaded for bear. And that's not including the aircraft's dogfight ability using its 20mm cannon.

    The F35 is currently equipped with 2 internal bays capable of carrying 2 missiles each (and is already planned on being expanded to 3 each), as well as 2 underwing hardpoints, and wingtip rails. this combines for a maximum current AA loadout of 8 AAMRAMs and 2 sidewinders.

    So even the F35, for a typical flight of four aircraft, in an all AA loadout, can engage as many as 40 enemy aircraft.
    And the F35 still packs a 25mm cannon as well.

    (and even if you want to factor in countermeasures and get real nitty gritty, the numbers are still impressive)

    And your opinion on its maneuverabilty is frankly ignorant.

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