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Man Booted From Southwest Flight and Threatened With Arrest After Critical Tweet

CanHasDIY writes The old saying goes, "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all." A man learned the consequences Sunday, after Tweeting about his experience with a rude Southwest gate attendant: "A Minnesota man and his two sons were asked to leave a Southwest Airlines flight after the man sent a tweet complaining about being treated rudely by a gate agent. Duff Watson said he was flying from Denver to Minneapolis on Sunday and tried to board in a spot for frequent flyer privileges he held and take his sons, ages 6 and 9, with him, even though they had a later spot to board the plane. The agent told him that he would have to wait if he wanted to board with his children. Watson replied that he had boarded early with them before and then sent out a tweet that read 'RUDEST AGENT IN DENVER. KIMBERLY S. GATE C39. NOT HAPPY @SWA.' Watson told TV broadcaster KARE in Minneapolis on Wednesday that after he boarded, an announcement came over the plane asking his family to exit the aircraft. Once at the gate, the agent said that unless the tweet was deleted, police would be called and the family would not be allowed back onboard." He gave into the threat, deleted the Tweet, and was allowed to board a later flight. Southwest, as one could have predicted, offered a boilerplate "apology" and vouchers.

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  1. Re:name and location tweeted... by DaHat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Using publically visible information (nametag & gate sign) to state an opinion constitutes harassment?

    God help the reviewers on Yelp or Angie'sList who give their opinions on different businesses.

  2. What?!? by SternisheFan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So any online criticism of any company has to be a "happy" criticism? The "truth" is no longer welcome? What a screwed up world.

    1. Re:What?!? by Cryacin · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is madness?!?

      This... is... Southwest... Airlines...!!!! (Kicks guy off plane)

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    2. Re:What?!? by gl4ss · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And that is fully legal.

      NO, IT FUCKING ISN'T!

      I seriously doubt their soliciting for getting people to fly with them includes notification of that "if you think we're rude then we will not fly you and just take your money".

      I mean, think about it. He paid for a service to be transported and they cancelled that contract based on that he tweeted the one person being rude. Why do you think that would be a legal way of doing things? taking money and not delivering their end of the contract? you also think it's legal for them to just sell tickets and then not fly at all?

      Now do you think it would be legal for best buy to come to your house and take your tv away because you stated publicly that the salesman was an ass who tried to rudely pressure you into buying extended warranty? fuck no.

      and why do you think they back pedaled? because what they did was "normal"? fuck no it wasn't. the criticized person was just using the powers he had for ANOTHER PURPOSE(purpose of keeping the plane safe) to make him delete the tweet that could negatively affect her career.

      so next up - when you complain that comcast is a bunch of fuckers online you think it's also legal for them to cancel your internet.... with that kind of attitudes no wonder americans are corporate bitches getting bled dry into debt.

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    3. Re:What?!? by countach · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If he'd claimed to be kicked off because he was black/white/gay or whatever, there'd be outrage. But because he was only exercising his free speech rights, people don't care that much.

  3. Customer service? by Calibax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pulling a family off a flight and threatening to summon the police seems pretty intense. They must have done something very bad. What? One of them tweeted about poor customer service before entering the aircraft? That's it?

    Did the SWA agent seriously think that threatening the family with not being able to fly and reporting the man to the police (for what?) unless he deleted the tweet would be the end of it? Did the agent think the whole thing would be erased from everyone's memory and it would be as if nobody complained? That's not the way it works. Now everyone in her management chain knows who she is, and not in a good way. Creating a PR incident like this will not go without notice. It's a variant of the Streisand effect.

    It's not important to the story, but at least one airline I've flown has figured out that it's good customer service to allow people who spend a lot of money travelling on their airline have their children treated to the same boarding privilege - especially as it costs the airline nothing to do so.

    1. Re:Customer service? by Harlequin80 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually outside of the US it seems to be common practice to ask people with young families to board first anyway. It would be for two reasons, the first one is it looks good to look after the children. Second and perhaps the biggest is families take longer to get settled in, young kids need a lot of assistance and you generally have to carry an inordinate amount of crap. If you are blocking the aisle while you buckle seat belts and the like you are slowing the whole boarding process. So it makes sense - send them in with first and business class.

    2. Re:Customer service? by DaHat · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Did the agent think the whole thing would be erased from everyone's memory and it would be as if nobody complained?

      To play devils advocate... maybe.

      While from time to time we hear stories like this of some employee who acts in a rather bad way PR wise... how often do you think similar events happen and that we never hear about them? Probably a lot more.

      The morning after a canceled connection flight I had a gate agent threaten to call security on me for using the word 'safety' with regards to my knees being impacted against the seat in front of me on the upcoming flight.

      Granted... it was an excuse for her as she didn't like my attitude (I didn't like having to employ it), I didn't call the media or tweet about the incident, I just pledged to avoid that airline in future... and later upgraded it to a blanket ban after the next time I used the airline (4 years later) a similar event happened where my connecting flight was cancelled and trapping me in the same airport.

    3. Re:Customer service? by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's all good reason for boarding them last - so they don't slow down those who can board quickly.

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    4. Re:Customer service? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually outside of the US it seems to be common practice to ask people with young families to board first anyway.

      Yeah, it often is within the U.S. too, particularly for infants and very young children. But I mostly see it used for parents with kids in strollers or whatever, not for older kids or even relatively small kids.

      If you are blocking the aisle while you buckle seat belts and the like you are slowing the whole boarding process. So it makes sense - send them in with first and business class.

      Yeah, the problem is the escalation of fee structures in recent years. 15 years ago your policy made perfect sense. But now most airlines charge for any checked baggage, which means more people stuff everything into larger carry-ons, and many planes don't have enough room to stuff everyone's bag in.

      So, everyone's worried about boarding early enough so that they don't have to have their bag stuffed 10 seats behind them, which will make them the last off the plane.

      But, of course, it isn't enough for airlines to charge fees for checked bags -- now they figured out that people don't want to worry about the hassle of finding space for their carry-on, so now for an extra fee many airlines will let you board early (with business class or whatever).

      So, it makes it really hard for the airlines to "give away" that option to families to board earlier, when somebody else in coach paid $35 or whatever that day for that privilege. In addition, there seem to be a lot of folks out there who assume that anyone travelling with a small child on a plane must be an evil person wanting to annoy other travelers deliberately by bringing a kid on board (when the reality is that most parents know they usually only travel with small kids on planes when there is no other reasonable choice). So, it will just lead to even more (unjustified?) feelings of unfairness if these parents are given seemingly special privileges.

      It's the same crap that causes people to cut people off or not let people merge in traffic. Sometimes it's worth a really insignificant sacrifice to let everything flow better, and letting the kids on early would probably make the entire boarding process faster and smoother. But most people would probably just resent it... and so airlines don't do it anymore.

    5. Re:Customer service? by Yaztromo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's all good reason for boarding them last - so they don't slow down those who can board quickly.

      I promise the plane won't take off without you. What, are you in a hurry to cram yourself into an airline seat instead of enjoying the comfort of the airport lounge for another 10 minutes or so? Entitled much?

      Yaz

    6. Re:Customer service? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's all good reason for boarding them last - so they don't slow down those who can board quickly.

      Huh? How does that produce greater efficiency? Let's see, we could:

      (1) Let families board with the first half-dozen groups of random people with various privileges ("Now let's have our first class..." [2 people board, a minute later] "Now let's have business class..." [5 people board, two minutes later] "Now let's have our elite Silver whoop-di-do members..." [no one boards, three minutes later] "Now let's have our Bronze not-so-much-whoop members" [2 guys from the back take 30 seconds to realize they were called and slowly make their way up, chatting on their phones the whole way]... etc., etc.).

      In that case, the families could get settled with almost no one else on the plane, and almost no one else in economy trying to find their seats.

      OR...

      (2) We wait until last, and the families join the end of the long line stopped almost at the gate itself of people waiting to get on. The families with more bags per person and more people to strap in and get settled in their seats per person then spend 10 minutes wandering up and down the aisles trying to find places for their bags and get their kids settled... while the attendants get increasingly testy as they have to go up and down reopening luggage bins and find a pillow for Jr. since he's asleep on Dad's shoulder and no one on the plane wants him to wake up when he's strapped in the seat. And the plane is now going to take off late because we needed 15 minutes to board 10 whoop-di-do members who didn't have to do anything, but now it's crunch-time for the parents who could have already been settled in.

      I completely understand why airlines do NOT let families on early, because they now charge people extra for those privileges. But if they were trying to maximize efficiency instead of profits, it would definitely make sense to move the families on when fewer people are obstacles on the plane.

    7. Re:Customer service? by DexterIsADog · · Score: 5, Informative

      Spoken like someone who doesn't have kids. He wasn't line cutting - he just wanted his kids with him so they could sit together.

      Yes, he "just wanted his kids with him", so he CUT THE LINE. Hey guess what OTHER way he could have had his kids with him? By getting on board with them in their assigned boarding spot!

    8. Re:Customer service? by Cryacin · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have a great solution for this. Everytime I see this happening, I take the bag down and pop it on the floor on a vacant seat. Eventually the bag makes it into the overhead lockers... somewhere.

      Enjoy your flight Mr. Type - A person, and then enjoy finding your damn bag because you left it out of your sight.

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    9. Re:Customer service? by epiccollision · · Score: 5, Interesting

      flight attendants are great at finding a place for oversized luggage clogging up the overhead bins. if the overhead bin is full sit your carryon on your lap and when they ask why it isn't stowed they will fix it or stow your bag nearby...

    10. Re:Customer service? by fluffy99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would fire the agent for starters, and whoever was involved.

      The gate agent was correct in telling him he could move back in the line to join his kids, but they couldn't cut in line and move up to join him. That's the policy and they tell you this when asking you to line up. The guy was in the wrong and then whined on twitter about how they didn't bend over to kiss his ass. His tweet naming the person could be construed as harassment or slander.

      Pulling him off the plane was a poor reaction, even if the intent was just to just to ask him to delete the tweet or at least revise it to delete the persons name. I suspect the agent threatened to call security and have him removed because he continued to be an ass, but that would be a one-sided opinion just like the guy claiming they were rude and threatened him.

  4. Is there an SWA Twitter police? by Jeremi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How did Southwest find out about this tweet?

    Do they have a team of people sitting around watching a Twitter feed, so that if anyone mentions Southwest they can pounce?

    If so, good job guys! You really saved the day here. SWA stock is going to go up tomorrow for sure! :^)

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    1. Re:Is there an SWA Twitter police? by hduff · · Score: 5, Insightful

      AFAIK, he told the agent he made the tweet, so his "I'll show you" attitude figured into the equation. The agents' "You're not the boss of me" attitude was also a part. Result: Two asshats vie for the title of "Biggest Dick". And they both won.

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    2. Re:Is there an SWA Twitter police? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Absolutely. Have a bad day, make one wrong judgment call, and see your livelihood vanish. Good luck getting another job.

      Fired? Maybe not, unless this was a pattern of bad behavior. Suspended for a week or two? Yes, absolutely.

      Where do you work, I wonder, that you believe people who have flaws, like we all do, should be treated like used tissues?

      Just my opinion, but this goes beyond a minor "flaw" or a slight error in judgment. The guy had already shown his willingness to publicize his dissatisfaction by tweeting about a minor inconvenience, and this employee provided him with a much worse story to tell. Any person with common sense should have seen this as the potential for some seriously bad publicity.

      There were many ways to handle this and defray the damage from the initial tweet, from a sincere apology and perhaps offer for free future tickets or upgrade (if the employee wanted to use kindness) or a response tweet thanking the customer for his feedback and also thanking all the other customers for following the rules (if the employee wanted to be passive aggressive but still make a point).

      Escalating a minor disagreement with a customer into a public fight is just not a good idea, and employees who can't avoid that do deserve punishment. Customers can be jerks sometimes. Employees have a corporate image to uphold, though, and they need to aspire to a higher standard -- they're getting paid to be there. The customer was not.

    3. Re:Is there an SWA Twitter police? by sribe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Where do you work, I wonder, that you believe people who have flaws, like we all do, should be treated like used tissues?

      I've worked in retail. I've dealt with real assholes. I have NEVER EVER even come anywhere near the kind of absolutely unacceptable behavior exhibited by this agent, nor did I ever see any my colleagues do anything remotely like it not ever. She absolutely should be fired.

      Complaining to the guy, OK. Calling him off the plane, questionable. Threatening to call the police over a complaint, fired, ASAP.

      Think about it for a minute--why was she so anxious to get rid of the tweet? Because she knew she was going to be in trouble. So instead of trying anything at all to de-escalate, she threatens to call the police, in order to COVER HER OWN ASS.

  5. Re:name and location tweeted... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    harassment/hrasm()nt,harsm()nt/
    noun

            aggressive pressure or intimidation.

    What kind of sycophant would label this tweet as harassment?

    Also, what type of asshole employee would separate a man from his two young children?

    Finally, it would be great to see the 180 degree flip in reaction if the airline attendant had been male and the passenger had been female with her two young children.

  6. Re: this is messed up.. but what's worse by caladine · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those not familiar with southwest: There is no assigned seating. People board in three groups, A (frequent flyers, people paying extra for early boarding), B and C (everyone else, numbered by check in order). Long story short, he bought the cheap tickets for his kids and wanted a free upgrade. He then threw a fit when he didn't get his way.

  7. He is lucky not being labelled a terrorist... by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After all, he committed several unforgivable sins in a police state:
    1. Being critical of authority
    2. Having an opinion about authority, instead of accepting it as god-like
    3. Communicating said opinion

    I see sedition, inciting violence and refusing to let proper authority mishandle him. Of course, if he let them call the police, he would probably have been shot.

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  8. Southwest Boarding Policies by MorePower · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those who don't know, boarding order is critical on Southwest. You don't get a seat assignment, its first-come-first-serve, like riding a bus, once you get on the plane.

    You get a boarding pass with A 1 thru 60, B 1 thru 60, or C 1 thru 60 and everyone boards in that order. The A people get great seats and C people get crap (center seats, back of the plane, no seats together for people traveling together, etc).

    Frequent fliers get to skip ahead board between A and B groups (assuming they didn't have and A anyway) which still has lots of good seats free. Families traveling with children 4 or under also get to board before the B group (so they can get seats together).

    This guy probably had high number B or C tickets and wanted to use his "A-list" frequent flier status to board early and get 3 seats together with his kids. But his kids didn't have "A-list" status and where too old to qualify for family boarding so they would have wait for their high boarding number to get on the plane.

  9. The lesson here isn't to be quiet, but... by Nutria · · Score: 5, Insightful

    to tweet her rudeness after you land.

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  10. Re:name and location tweeted... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This. As a father with kids, there is a serious double standard. Particularly with women. When my wife goes places with my daughter, she gets helped out, and treated like a parent. When I do the same, it only seems to be other fathers who give me a hand.

    Men really need to start to stand up for equal rights.

  11. Works Fine For Me by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ie. their boarding system is utter shit to begin with.

    A matter of opinion. It works very well if you pre-print your boarding passes 24 hours before departure time. I have *NEVER* had anything but A or B.

    Southwest (who still does not charge for 2 checked bags) has always treated my wife and I well. We have traveled with our grand children many times.

    If you know and follow the well established and well know rules for obtaining your boarding pass and boarding the jet, it's a very smooth process.

    But on the other hand, if you're an "entitled power flyer", your asshole attitude will get you nowhere.

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  12. Re: name and location tweeted... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://definitions.uslegal.com...

    "A public place is generally an indoor or outdoor area, whether privately or publicly owned, to which the public have access by right or by invitation, expressed or implied, whether by payment of money or not, but not a place when used exclusively by one or more individuals for a private gathering or other personal purpose."

    US airports are public places. Just because it is private property doesn't automatically mean it's not a public space. If you turn your home into a B&B, it becomes a public space, even though it is your private property. You can have private clubhouses and private airports but the moment you leave the door unlocked and put up a sign that you're open to the public, the presumption of privacy is gone.

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  13. LOL, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I (an American) just went on a vacation where I entered Russia, then France, then Russia, then the US on my way home. It went like this:

    Russia: "What plane did you get off of?" "OK, [stamp]"
    France: "Welcome! [stamp]"
    Russia: "Welcome back, Tovarish! [stamp]"
    US: "Spread 'em, Cocksucker. What's this in your bag? Get in this line - no, the other line! Papers, please! Is this your family? Who packed your suitcase? Look into the camera. Make your wife look into the camera. Submit to bacterial scanning. Put your bags in the X-Ray machine and leave them there until they start to smoke. OK, Meatwad, we'll let you in, but consider this a warning!"

    This place has gotten so xenophobic it's silly.

  14. Re:name and location tweeted... by AcidPenguin9873 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Also, what type of asshole employee would separate a man from his two young children?

    The employee suggested no such thing. She said that the man would have to wait until his children were able to board, and then they could board together.

  15. Re: name and location tweeted... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doubtful. More plausible is that the guy bragged to the flight attendand that he sent the tweet.

  16. Re:name and location tweeted... by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Informative

    Also, what type of asshole employee would separate a man from his two young children?

    Here's the part most stories won't include about this incident. The father was an A passenger meaning he gets to board first. Southwest also has B and C classifications.

    Someone called in to the talk show I was listening who was also an A passenger and explained the complete process. A passengers board first, then B and C. However, since the person had children, despite his A status, he would have boarded between the A and B groups. That is Southwest policy and has been since whenever.

    This person attempted to circumvent the established policy by trying to pull a "Do you know who I am?" deal. All he had to do was wait for the A group to board then he could have boarded with his children.

    Instead, he was an ass and publicly gave the name of a worker who was doing what company policy was, though she probably should have explained the policy since obviously this guy didn't know, or didn't care, what it was.

    So there you have it. Asshole thinks they're someone important and tries to jump the line ends up being shown the door for his stupidity and whininess.

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