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The Man Who Invented the 26th Dimension

StartsWithABang (3485481) writes Based on all the experiments we've ever been able to perform, we're quite certain that our Universe, from the largest scales down to the microscopic, obeys the physical laws of three spatial dimensions (and one time dimension): a four-dimensional spacetime. But that's not the only possibility mathematically. People had experimented with bringing a fifth dimension in to unify General Relativity with Electromagnetism in the past, but that was regarded as a dead-end. Then in the 1970s, an unknown theoretical physicist working on the string model of the strong interactions discovered that by going into the 26th dimension, some incredibly interesting physics emerged, and String Theory was born.

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  1. Gotcha covered... by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here at discount dimension warehouse you can get 27 dimensions for the price of 26. We honor all competitors empirically undemonstrated theory coupons. More dimensions for your money.

    1. Re:Gotcha covered... by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      LOL ... fsck it, we're going to 30 dimensions. ;-)

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    2. Re:Gotcha covered... by cyberchondriac · · Score: 5, Funny

      I vote for 42.. y'know, to make things consistent.

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    3. Re:Gotcha covered... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      Yeah, the problem with 42, is you have to stop off at 34, and as every man knows, all work stops at 34. Physics Porn FTW!

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    4. Re:Gotcha covered... by Tokolosh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      26 base 10 = 42 base 6

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    5. Re:Gotcha covered... by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't listen to him! He sold me a dimension and when I got it home it turned out to be merely a complex vector!

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    6. Re:Gotcha covered... by Yunzil · · Score: 3, Funny

      These dimensions of yours; how big are they? Last time I bought one when I got it home and opened the box I couldn't even see it.

    7. Re:Gotcha covered... by operagost · · Score: 5, Funny

      Most theoretical physicists I know haven't even made it to base 3.

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    8. Re:Gotcha covered... by rgbatduke · · Score: 2

      Oh, and what about the graphic dimensions and hidden dimensions? Just because your working physical-space dimensionality fits in 640K -- at least, if you have a backing store with a few megadimensions to spare -- doesn't mean that you don't need someplace for God to hang out and run things, or dimensions needed for your inner spiritual eye to be able to visualize the projective results of the stuff in the 640K.

      Now, for just 2^{640!} dollars, I'd be happy to sell you an expansion space with an extra 400K dimensions, to let you offload God into a meta-space of Its own and still have sufficient dimensional resolution to be able to achieve satori or visualize the cosmic whole in some sort of projection. And it comes with both serial and parallel dimensional portals, not to mention a built-in communication channel connecting your working dimensionality with God-space. It also permits you to expand your paltry 64K dimensional mother-Universe to a proper full-scale Universe with all 2^{1024} dimensions that the underlying physics can use -- with indirect dimensional addressing -- accessible.

      For the first time, your matter assemblers and compilers will have the dimensions that they need to work. Inflation will be tremendously accelerated. You can cut the time required for a full-scale big bang reboot to end up with Intelligent Life from 14 billion years to a mere 20! Just think of what you can evolve after that!

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  2. Crazy Parakeet Man by timrod · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not to detract from his contributions to science, but the photo of him in the Medium article makes him look like some sort of Parakeet Wizard. How he stayed sane with 40 parakeets in his house is something I will never understand.

    1. Re:Crazy Parakeet Man by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm severely concerned for you if you've ever met any physics PhDs who didn't give off that vibe.

    2. Re:Crazy Parakeet Man by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How he stayed sane with 40 parakeets in his house is something I will never understand.

      LOL, based on how nobody has ever been able to explain WTF String Theory actually claims to tell us or how you'd verify it ... I'm not sure of his 'sanity'. ;-)

      String Theory has always been a little dodgy, and there seems to be about 20 different versions of it, most of which seems to not to make sense, even to many physicists.

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    3. Re:Crazy Parakeet Man by meerling · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There are less of them now than there were a few years ago, the LHC saw to that. The data they gathered on the Higgs Boson ruled out numerous theories, though there are still a lot more to go.

    4. Re:Crazy Parakeet Man by preaction · · Score: 2

      I work with one, but technically they aren't in academia anymore. Perhaps he didn't give off enough of that vibe.

    5. Re:Crazy Parakeet Man by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      Yes, some publications even asked "Is this the end of String Theory?" which of course meant it wasn't.

      I mean, it did take some serious blows. But it isn't quite gone yet.

      On the other hand, since I have still seen no suggestions of practical ways to test for its existence (only its non-existence), I still have a bit of trouble with the "Theory" part. Last I heard it was only a hypothesis.

    6. Re:Crazy Parakeet Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I went to Rutgers for physics and engineering, worked in physics department for a number of years, and my desk was in a lab across the hall from his office; I can say without hesitation that he was not playing with a full deck.

      That said, he was a brilliant man and one of my favorite professors. His classes were always interesting.

      And damn did he love those birds.

    7. Re:Crazy Parakeet Man by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      String theory became extremely dodgy for a while there - in fact, it went totally off the rails IMO. There were physics journal articles with long philosophical rants and no equations. When the "get random nonsense published" prank war hit physics, it's no surprise it was a string theory journal that fell for it.

      This is what happens to any science without new data coming in. When the Superconducting Supercollider was cancelled, particle physics began getting a little nutty, and by the time you had mid-career physicists with who had only published works never to be challenged by experiment, well, it's an object lesson in how not to do science.

      But the LHC was the needed fix. Theory and experiment are now re-coupled, and I hear that sanity is returning aggressively. Meanwhile the other end of physics, cosmology, has the most accurate data ever to work with, thanks to the CMBR probes, and has been making huge strides for a decade now (cosmology with significant digits, who'd have thought?).

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    8. Re:Crazy Parakeet Man by Your.Master · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What she's saying is that there is no known practical test which requires string theory as an explanation -- the other theories are sufficient. That doesn't contradict the idea that there are tests which could disprove string theory.

      Consider the claim that a man who stands before you was created just outside your front door 5 minutes ago, fully formed with enough knowledge to communicate and a local accent, etc., but no evidence of any prior existence was created along with him. Your alternative explanation is that he's lying and was born 30 years ago, as his appearance suggests. You could disprove his theory by finding his house with pictures of him growing up -- that's prior evidence of his existence. It's extraordinarily doubtful that you could ever prove his claim, even if it were true -- it's just much more likely by virtue of simplicity that he was born and you can't find evidence of where he grew up prior to 5 minutes ago, because there's certainly no less evidence of that.

      It's not enough for a theory to stand up to attempts to disprove it -- that's a necessary but insufficient condition. It also has to explain something, anything, in a way that is either simpler or more complete than other known theories.

      Newton's Laws stand up because they are simpler but less complete than theories like relativity. Relativity stands up because it is more complete than Newton's Laws -- there are known situations when Newton's Laws simply give the wrong answer and relativity gives the right one. QM stands up because it explains something that relativity does not, so it's more complete in a different sense. Aristotelian cosmology failed because it was simply wrong. Geocentrism failed not because it was "wrong" (a geocentric frame of reference is a perfectly valid, albeit non-inertial, frame of reference, and you can absolutely make accurate calculations about the universe with Earth defined as its geometric center), but because it was incredibly complicated compared to heliocentrism and provided no discernible scientific benefits. That leads to the question: is string theory like geocentrism, in that it's not strictly disproven but it's an unnecessary pain in the ass?

      The request here would be for a situation that String Theory explains, and QM and Relativity either do not explain, or explain inaccurately, or explain in a more complicated fashion. It's useless until it provides one of those things, other than the joy of pure mathematics. Science does not state "all proposed theories are true until disproven" -- rather, it says "don't assume a proposed theory is true until you fail to either disprove it, or come up with an easier answer".

      I'm not personally in a good position to evaluate the merits of string theory anymore, and neither is anybody with merely the knowledge in that wikipedia article (though it helps). You should note, though, that the wikipedia article you yourself cited, cites Feynman, Penrose, and Sheldon Lee Glashow as making an even stronger argument Jane Q. Public is making -- saying that it simply is a failure as a theory, because it doesn't provide practical novel experimental predictions (in other words, it's not more complete than existing theories).

    9. Re:Crazy Parakeet Man by sjwaste · · Score: 4, Funny

      That escalated quickly.

    10. Re:Crazy Parakeet Man by nine-times · · Score: 2

      That leads to the question: is string theory like geocentrism, in that it's not strictly disproven but it's an unnecessary pain in the ass?

      I don't think this goes far enough in explaining the issue. Geocentrism wasn't much of a theory, it was more of an assumed state. Insofar as it was a theory, the evidence for it was the empirical observation that we seem to be standing still while the rest of the universe moves around us. If you want to talk about a theory that assumed geocentrism, I believe there were a few different ones, either involving angels or aether or some other explanation of what stars were. Arguably, many of them weren't "scientific" theories, as they weren't grounded in science, nor did they provide a framework for testing them scientifically.

      And that's one way in which geocentrism might be related to String Theory. It's arguably not a "scientific theory" because it's not exactly grounded in scientific testing/observation, and there's not yet an opportunity to test it. People really get this whole "theory" thing wrong. In reaction to "creationism", there's been a big push to have "theory" defined in such a way that theories are inherently proven, but that's coming it the whole thing from the wrong direction. A theory can be completely unproven and have no support, but only has to be a coherent explanation for a set of phenomena. The issue is that in order to be a scientific theory, it has to have some relation to science.

      So that brings the question around to, what does the process of science generally require to consider a theory to be valid and scientific? Well, to start, you have to have the phenomena being explained being scientific in nature. Explaining the behavior of particles: scientific. Explaining the behavior of God: not scientific. So that's the first requirement, and string theory passes.

      Second, the theory has to make use of scientific principles and techniques to form a coherent explanation. It must be related to existing theories that are related. So for example, if you're talking about behavior of particles, it should related to existing theories about particles and the forces that govern them. It must either adopt and fit in with existing theories, or else provide an alternate theory that explains the same observations that existing theories explain. In order to be considered a superior theory, it must either explain those observations better or more elegantly, or else explain additional observations that the prior theory failed to explain. Last I've read, it's still debatable whether String Theory passes this test. People are still working on fitting it to observations, and it may explain some things more elegantly while failing to explain other things.

      The third big requirement is that it needs to be testable. More specifically, the requirement generally put forward is that it needs to make some kind of new prediction that other theories failed to predict, which eventually turns out to be true. For example, Einstein came up with a new theory to explain how light moves. That theory resulted in the prediction that you could take a very fast plane trip that would cause time to pass more slowly for you, while traveling on the plan, than it would for someone sitting on the ground. No prior theory would have anticipated this result, and in fact many people still find it difficult to wrap their heads around, but the prediction seemed to be true.

      It's on this last requirement that String Theory, as far as I know, fails. As far as I've read, it has not made new predictions, unanticipated by other theories, which have turned out to be true. In that sense, you could argue that it's lacks specificity required by a scientific theory, and so is not a proper scientific theory. At least not yet, until more things are hashed out.

      I don't have a horse in this race. Just throwing in my 2 cents.

    11. Re:Crazy Parakeet Man by Quirkz · · Score: 3, Funny

      It did not accept the apology, and actually, I'd even go so far as to say it got a little bent out of shape over the incidents. Eventually it turned into a certified basket case, and we had to replace it with another unit that had stronger mettle.

  3. While we're at it by StripedCow · · Score: 2

    Why not postulate an infinite number of dimensions?

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    1. Re:While we're at it by i+kan+reed · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because that's not necessary to explain a particular empirical observation?

    2. Re:While we're at it by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The GP was talking about "emperical phenomenon".

      So that's the unexplained phenomenon and:

      Those aren't emperical phenomenon. They're not phenomenon at all. It's just a mathematical artefact from an incorrect theory.

      That's the resolution that requires 26 dimensions. My linalg-fu is weak, so I'm actually not checking the math myself. Happy?

      Not really, no.

      Currently there are no actual phenomenon (i.e. real things) which string theory yet explains.

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  4. Re:String theory is voodoo physics by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Proposing an idea that explains a previously unexplained observation isn't pseudoscience. It can certainly be wrong, and should be treated as such until experimentally tested.

    But pseudoscience lives in a special realm, where it wraps itself in the verbiage of science, while not sharing the methods and intent. String theory very clearly falls into the "not testable yet" category, rather than the "designed to resist testing" category that weapons grade bullshit enjoys.

  5. Re:String theory is not science! by Ultra64 · · Score: 2

    Huh?

    How is a theory that attempts to describe the laws of physics *not* science?

  6. Why are they all space dimensions? by gurps_npc · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Frankly, the concept of a 2nd time dimension makes a lot more sense to me AND is a lot more interesting.

    Not only does a 2nd time dimension allow for actual time travel (in a one dimensional universe you can't change the order of anything - you need a 2nd space dimension to hop over or around someone in front of you - so a second time dimension allows for time travel).

    But also it make it a lot easier to understand why we do not SEE the 5th or higher dimension, let alone confirm it with scientific instruments.

    I can look up/down, North/South, and East/West, but I can not look past/future. So it makes sense that I also can not look t2+/t2-.

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    1. Re:Why are they all space dimensions? by gtall · · Score: 2

      What I'd really like is an extra space dimension so I can jump around traffic jams. An extra time dimension would good too so that it doesn't take me very long to do it.

    2. Re:Why are they all space dimensions? by physicsphairy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I can look up/down, North/South, and East/West, but I can not look past/future. So it makes sense that I also can not look t2+/t2-.

      You can't do anything except for analyze the signals of photons presently impinging on your retina. You have no direct means of experiencing the space ahead of and behind you any more than you do the time directly ahead of and behind you. But assuming those photons travelled in straight lines in space and time and have spectra which depend on the object they last interacted with, you can make some good inferences about what objects were there a short time ago. Just as you can make the inference that those objects may have also been there at an earlier time, or may continue to be there longer than that.

      It's only because the speed of light is so fast that we act like we are making direct spatial observations. Slow it down enough and you might not say your eyes were very good for finding the position of things at all -- just for telling you what they were like in the past.

    3. Re:Why are they all space dimensions? by fyngyrz · · Score: 2

      > but then you could get a space jam...

      That's fine as long as you have space peanut butter.

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  7. Unknown? by rfengr · · Score: 3, Informative

    How could be unknown if "A study in 2009 ranked him as the 14th most influential physicist in the world for the period 1967-1973.", or was he unknown at the time, which is common for anyone before popular ideas? Unknown in the general public is anyone but Einstein.

    1. Re:Unknown? by Almost-Retired · · Score: 2

      This latter statement is gradually becoming moot, thanks to the efforts of another Japanese person with a tv personality.

      Now, speaking as someone who has spent 65 of my almost 80 years, dealing in electronics, I have yet to detect an error or distortion of what you can see on your tv screen (the last 54 years in broadcast engineering) that was not completely and absolutely explained when analyzed, by General Relativity, including time dilation in an electron beam caused by the combination of its mode of amplification, velocity vs distance traveled, plainly visible on the video monitoring scopes at the voltages commonly used in Klystron amplifiers.

      String theory, until it can make a testable prediction, which it has not in nearly 45 years, is to this old, un-papered but practicing engineer, strictly a means to keep a chair funded at some university whose management doesn't understand that a great number of us who do deal with relativistic effects on a daily basis, think its the pure stuff usually found, still warm and smelly, behind the male of the bovine specie. IMO they should close that chair and use the money to reduce tuition costs for other, far more practical subjects of study. But they cannot even think of doing that. They'll give the themselves a nice comfy raise instead.

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    2. Re:Unknown? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      String theory does hundreds of testable predictions in QM and relativity and aims to predict 'stuff' that are grey area in both QM and relativity.
      Where does the brain dead idea come from that thousands of physicists on the planet work on a theory that makes no testable predictions?
      Maxwell formulas/predictions, radioactive decay, space time warping close to gravity wells etc. ARE EXACTLY THE SAME IN STRING THEORY! Hence scientists find it interesting!

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  8. Re:String theory is not science! by Ultra64 · · Score: 2

    To quote I kan reed:

    'String theory very clearly falls into the "not testable yet" category, rather than the "designed to resist testing" category'

  9. Re:String theory is not science! by i+kan+reed · · Score: 2

    Neither is an assertion about the absolute limit on speed in the universe(really: devise a test for that).

    At some level, science is about creating a model that explains existing observations. Testing that model, looking for violations is essential but the postulation of an internally coherent parsimonious system that matches what we already see is science.

  10. Re:String theory is not science! by timeOday · · Score: 2

    You can spin equations out the wazoo (math) but it doesn't mean they model any natural phenomenon in particular (physics).

  11. Claud W. Lovelace by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 5, Informative

    is his name. Not sure why the summary left it out.

  12. Re:String theory is not science! by gtall · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's easily defended. All physical theories are math. That's it, there's nothing more to them. We interpret mathematical theories using a model, i.e., in this case, the universe. Some theories are consistent with the model, some are not. Those that are not, are no less scientific because they describe what cannot be the case. All that is required of a mathematical theory is that it be consistent.

    Einstein's general relativity a mathematical theory. Astrophysicists are still constructing tests to see how valid it is. Any testing is only as good as the resolution inherent in the physical system used for testing. In that sense, you could say that general relativity will forever be just a mathematical theory, it can never be fully tested because we'll never have infinite resolution (if that even makes sense). Mathematical theories of physics are merely scribbles on a piece of paper. We manipulate the scribbles and when we see our manipulation mirrored or represented in the Universe, we say the theory describes that part of the Universe. However, the representation is only up to a certain epsilon, so it is more accurate to say the theory describes the representation only up to the limit of resolution of our tests.

  13. Re:String theory is voodoo physics by Himmy32 · · Score: 2

    I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but it deserves to be said.

    In no way is String Theory anything like Phrenology. Trying to develop a model that unites both the large scale and the small scale is incredibly difficult. Quantum mechanics and relativity are complex enough without trying to unify them. String theory and super-symmetrical models have a basis in advanced mathematics, but the question is whether or not the model matches the immensely complex reality.

    Even if it doesn't work out, studying the problem advances our knowledge of the known universe and modelling it in mathematics. That's how science works, you make a hypothesis and you attempt to test it and then you reform your hypothesis. The current problem right now is finding a way to test it. A failed hypothesis is not something to laugh at, because what you learn from that failure helps you forms a new and more accurate model.

  14. Yes it is. by pavon · · Score: 2

    The scientific model is quite simply:
    1) Develop testable hypothesis (aka theory)
    2) Develop experiments/observations to test hypothesis
    3) Perform experiment/observations
    4) Repeat
    Anyone who participates in any of these steps is performing science. It took a while to find practical tests of String theory given it's extreme generality, but several have been suggested and a few have even been performed, ranging from the scale of planetary motion to LHC data.

  15. Re:String theory is not science! by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "String theory is untestable" is one of those easy to remember phrases that keeps you away from a great amount of interesting information:

    1) "String theory" is actually a family of related theories that make different predictions, where they're advanced enough to do so
    2) They're neither as a class, nor individually, a priori untestable
    3) They're theories of high energy physics, so what predictions they do make will be difficult to test on currently existing hardware
    4) The mathematical tools to make sense of the theories and make predictions are novel themselves

    String theory is at a stage kind of like parachuting early-20th-century physics into the 15th century. It's not relevant at length scales where we can easily make observations, but we don't have the necessary cognative or physical tools to write it off either. Have we been handed relativity, or the aether? We can't say because we're not smart enough yet.

    Now, as a matter of expediency I'd argue that any self-respective physicist should dedicate himself to advanced models that are a little closer to home and might act as stepping stones to string theory's energy scales, but since when has any self-respecting scientist been led away from a beautiful hypothesis by pragmatism? Much less a physicist?

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  16. Where is Buckaroo Bonzai when you need him? by mmell · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just sayin'.

  17. Re:String theory is voodoo physics by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

    A theory is not proven. It is just a hypothesis that has not been disproven, despite repeated attempts.

    String theory can't be dumped; because it is just an intellectual exercise to find mathematical systems that return the same statistical shadow as quantum mechanics. As they see more statistical shadows, they refine their math. The ones that predicted yet unobserved statistical shadows gain credibility.

    Doesn't mean their are actually multidimensional strings vibrating. But perhaps their is a mathematical cousin to vibrating strings operating at a quantum level (as circuits are cousins to structures).

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  18. Re:String theory is voodoo physics by sjames · · Score: 4, Informative

    The problem with string theory isn't that it doesn't predict anything. The problem is that it predicts nearly everything and shows no particular bias towards one prediction over another. Pretty much any experimental result that comes out can be accommodated by string theory.

    It is interesting. It may one day help to describe an actual theory (making it string toolkit rather than string theory) it may spur thought along new lines, but it isn't a very good theory.

    The one thing string theory does predict strongly is supersymmetry, but that was already predicted by less extreme theories. The whole thing may turn out to be moot if LHC can't scare up a supersymmetric particle.

  19. Re:String theory is voodoo physics by tyme · · Score: 2

    gtall wrote:

    Einstein's theory of relativity was theoretical at first. It was only later that scientists were able to devise experiments to test it

    Actually, you have that exactly wrong: Einstein's theory of special relativity was a direct attempt to explain a specific experimental result, the negative results of the Michelson-Morley interferometer experiment to verify the existence of the liminiferous aether. The Michelson-Morley results were published in 1887, and Einstein published special relativity in 1905.

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  21. Re:String theory is voodoo physics by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 2

    The theory of relativity wasn't testable when it was first proposed. Part of the reason Einstein never got a nobel for it was that it wasn't until the 1970's that there was real firm experimental evidence for it.

    There's a distinction between something that can never be tested and something that can't be tested now due to technological limitations.

  22. String theory is not a waste of resources! by Dorianny · · Score: 3, Interesting

    String theory was devised as a mathematical model that seems to describe a workable universe which may, or may NOT be our universe. Problem is that we know that the Standard Model cannot be the complete picture but so far we have no experimental data to use as a starting point to figure out what lies behind it. When we finally do get a hint of new physics some of the new math being invented by String Theorists is going to be very useful weather or not String Theory itself correctly describes our universe.

  23. Re:String theory is voodoo physics by Enigma2175 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The theory of relativity wasn't testable when it was first proposed. Part of the reason Einstein never got a nobel for it was that it wasn't until the 1970's that there was real firm experimental evidence for it.

    There's a distinction between something that can never be tested and something that can't be tested now due to technological limitations.

    You mean the observations Eddington took in 1919 confirming light bending in accordance with predictions by general relativity didn't take place? From the Wikipedia entry:

    "Eddington's observations published the next year[5] confirmed Einstein's theory, and were hailed at the time as a conclusive proof of general relativity over the Newtonian model."

    Also, relativity made a number of testable predictions. From the wiki page on the theory of relativity:

    "The predictions of special relativity have been confirmed in numerous tests since Einstein published his paper in 1905, but three experiments conducted between 1881 and 1938 were critical to its validation. These are the Michelson–Morley experiment, the Kennedy–Thorndike experiment, and the Ives–Stilwell experiment. Einstein derived the Lorentz transformations from first principles in 1905, but these three experiments allow the transformations to be induced from experimental evidence."

    Obviously the testing of the theory still continues as we gather more data from around the universe, but to say there wasn't firm experimental evidence until the 1970s isn't correct.

    Until string theory makes some testable predictions it's just mathematical and philosophical wanking.

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  24. Cross roads of physics and computing by WaffleMonster · · Score: 4, Funny

    "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection" - David Wheeler

    "All problems in physics can be solved by another dimension" - Some jackass

    Is 26 dimensions better or worse than 26 levels of indirection?

  25. Re:String theory is not science! by sjames · · Score: 2

    The issue there is that more parsimonious theories already predicted everything that has been tested in string theory.

    The problem is that practically any experimental outcome can be shown to be a 'prediction' of string theory. String theory predicts nearly anything and everything depending on where you set the constants. It is far more descriptive than predictive.

    It's not a total waste, it's just premature.

  26. Re:String theory is not science! by AchilleTalon · · Score: 2

    Exactly, that's why the Standard Model is so resilient and unsatisfactory at the same time. A collection of facts glued together by bits of knowledge and mathematical modeling.

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  27. Re:String theory is voodoo physics by lgw · · Score: 2

    Very well put - I was trying to figure out how to say this, but that nails it.

    String Theory is a toolkit - an infinite set of theories. You can specify some of the tunable parameters and get a specific testable theory, but there's no non-arbitrary way to do that. So many physicist-decades sunk into something which "might be useful one day".

    You can say it's all math, not physics, and so uselessness is fine, but then the problem is it's pretty bad math - no elegance, most equations aren't solvable yet.

    String theory started as an attempt to simplify the standard model to a few primitives, but it has totally failed in that regard.

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