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The Man Who Invented the 26th Dimension

StartsWithABang (3485481) writes Based on all the experiments we've ever been able to perform, we're quite certain that our Universe, from the largest scales down to the microscopic, obeys the physical laws of three spatial dimensions (and one time dimension): a four-dimensional spacetime. But that's not the only possibility mathematically. People had experimented with bringing a fifth dimension in to unify General Relativity with Electromagnetism in the past, but that was regarded as a dead-end. Then in the 1970s, an unknown theoretical physicist working on the string model of the strong interactions discovered that by going into the 26th dimension, some incredibly interesting physics emerged, and String Theory was born.

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  1. Gotcha covered... by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here at discount dimension warehouse you can get 27 dimensions for the price of 26. We honor all competitors empirically undemonstrated theory coupons. More dimensions for your money.

    1. Re:Gotcha covered... by cyberchondriac · · Score: 5, Funny

      I vote for 42.. y'know, to make things consistent.

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    2. Re:Gotcha covered... by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't listen to him! He sold me a dimension and when I got it home it turned out to be merely a complex vector!

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    3. Re:Gotcha covered... by operagost · · Score: 5, Funny

      Most theoretical physicists I know haven't even made it to base 3.

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  2. Crazy Parakeet Man by timrod · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not to detract from his contributions to science, but the photo of him in the Medium article makes him look like some sort of Parakeet Wizard. How he stayed sane with 40 parakeets in his house is something I will never understand.

    1. Re:Crazy Parakeet Man by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm severely concerned for you if you've ever met any physics PhDs who didn't give off that vibe.

    2. Re:Crazy Parakeet Man by meerling · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There are less of them now than there were a few years ago, the LHC saw to that. The data they gathered on the Higgs Boson ruled out numerous theories, though there are still a lot more to go.

    3. Re:Crazy Parakeet Man by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      String theory became extremely dodgy for a while there - in fact, it went totally off the rails IMO. There were physics journal articles with long philosophical rants and no equations. When the "get random nonsense published" prank war hit physics, it's no surprise it was a string theory journal that fell for it.

      This is what happens to any science without new data coming in. When the Superconducting Supercollider was cancelled, particle physics began getting a little nutty, and by the time you had mid-career physicists with who had only published works never to be challenged by experiment, well, it's an object lesson in how not to do science.

      But the LHC was the needed fix. Theory and experiment are now re-coupled, and I hear that sanity is returning aggressively. Meanwhile the other end of physics, cosmology, has the most accurate data ever to work with, thanks to the CMBR probes, and has been making huge strides for a decade now (cosmology with significant digits, who'd have thought?).

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    4. Re:Crazy Parakeet Man by Your.Master · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What she's saying is that there is no known practical test which requires string theory as an explanation -- the other theories are sufficient. That doesn't contradict the idea that there are tests which could disprove string theory.

      Consider the claim that a man who stands before you was created just outside your front door 5 minutes ago, fully formed with enough knowledge to communicate and a local accent, etc., but no evidence of any prior existence was created along with him. Your alternative explanation is that he's lying and was born 30 years ago, as his appearance suggests. You could disprove his theory by finding his house with pictures of him growing up -- that's prior evidence of his existence. It's extraordinarily doubtful that you could ever prove his claim, even if it were true -- it's just much more likely by virtue of simplicity that he was born and you can't find evidence of where he grew up prior to 5 minutes ago, because there's certainly no less evidence of that.

      It's not enough for a theory to stand up to attempts to disprove it -- that's a necessary but insufficient condition. It also has to explain something, anything, in a way that is either simpler or more complete than other known theories.

      Newton's Laws stand up because they are simpler but less complete than theories like relativity. Relativity stands up because it is more complete than Newton's Laws -- there are known situations when Newton's Laws simply give the wrong answer and relativity gives the right one. QM stands up because it explains something that relativity does not, so it's more complete in a different sense. Aristotelian cosmology failed because it was simply wrong. Geocentrism failed not because it was "wrong" (a geocentric frame of reference is a perfectly valid, albeit non-inertial, frame of reference, and you can absolutely make accurate calculations about the universe with Earth defined as its geometric center), but because it was incredibly complicated compared to heliocentrism and provided no discernible scientific benefits. That leads to the question: is string theory like geocentrism, in that it's not strictly disproven but it's an unnecessary pain in the ass?

      The request here would be for a situation that String Theory explains, and QM and Relativity either do not explain, or explain inaccurately, or explain in a more complicated fashion. It's useless until it provides one of those things, other than the joy of pure mathematics. Science does not state "all proposed theories are true until disproven" -- rather, it says "don't assume a proposed theory is true until you fail to either disprove it, or come up with an easier answer".

      I'm not personally in a good position to evaluate the merits of string theory anymore, and neither is anybody with merely the knowledge in that wikipedia article (though it helps). You should note, though, that the wikipedia article you yourself cited, cites Feynman, Penrose, and Sheldon Lee Glashow as making an even stronger argument Jane Q. Public is making -- saying that it simply is a failure as a theory, because it doesn't provide practical novel experimental predictions (in other words, it's not more complete than existing theories).

    5. Re:Crazy Parakeet Man by sjwaste · · Score: 4, Funny

      That escalated quickly.

  3. Re:String theory is voodoo physics by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Proposing an idea that explains a previously unexplained observation isn't pseudoscience. It can certainly be wrong, and should be treated as such until experimentally tested.

    But pseudoscience lives in a special realm, where it wraps itself in the verbiage of science, while not sharing the methods and intent. String theory very clearly falls into the "not testable yet" category, rather than the "designed to resist testing" category that weapons grade bullshit enjoys.

  4. Claud W. Lovelace by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 5, Informative

    is his name. Not sure why the summary left it out.

  5. Re:String theory is not science! by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "String theory is untestable" is one of those easy to remember phrases that keeps you away from a great amount of interesting information:

    1) "String theory" is actually a family of related theories that make different predictions, where they're advanced enough to do so
    2) They're neither as a class, nor individually, a priori untestable
    3) They're theories of high energy physics, so what predictions they do make will be difficult to test on currently existing hardware
    4) The mathematical tools to make sense of the theories and make predictions are novel themselves

    String theory is at a stage kind of like parachuting early-20th-century physics into the 15th century. It's not relevant at length scales where we can easily make observations, but we don't have the necessary cognative or physical tools to write it off either. Have we been handed relativity, or the aether? We can't say because we're not smart enough yet.

    Now, as a matter of expediency I'd argue that any self-respective physicist should dedicate himself to advanced models that are a little closer to home and might act as stepping stones to string theory's energy scales, but since when has any self-respecting scientist been led away from a beautiful hypothesis by pragmatism? Much less a physicist?

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  6. Where is Buckaroo Bonzai when you need him? by mmell · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just sayin'.

  7. Re:String theory is voodoo physics by sjames · · Score: 4, Informative

    The problem with string theory isn't that it doesn't predict anything. The problem is that it predicts nearly everything and shows no particular bias towards one prediction over another. Pretty much any experimental result that comes out can be accommodated by string theory.

    It is interesting. It may one day help to describe an actual theory (making it string toolkit rather than string theory) it may spur thought along new lines, but it isn't a very good theory.

    The one thing string theory does predict strongly is supersymmetry, but that was already predicted by less extreme theories. The whole thing may turn out to be moot if LHC can't scare up a supersymmetric particle.

  8. Re:String theory is voodoo physics by Enigma2175 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The theory of relativity wasn't testable when it was first proposed. Part of the reason Einstein never got a nobel for it was that it wasn't until the 1970's that there was real firm experimental evidence for it.

    There's a distinction between something that can never be tested and something that can't be tested now due to technological limitations.

    You mean the observations Eddington took in 1919 confirming light bending in accordance with predictions by general relativity didn't take place? From the Wikipedia entry:

    "Eddington's observations published the next year[5] confirmed Einstein's theory, and were hailed at the time as a conclusive proof of general relativity over the Newtonian model."

    Also, relativity made a number of testable predictions. From the wiki page on the theory of relativity:

    "The predictions of special relativity have been confirmed in numerous tests since Einstein published his paper in 1905, but three experiments conducted between 1881 and 1938 were critical to its validation. These are the Michelson–Morley experiment, the Kennedy–Thorndike experiment, and the Ives–Stilwell experiment. Einstein derived the Lorentz transformations from first principles in 1905, but these three experiments allow the transformations to be induced from experimental evidence."

    Obviously the testing of the theory still continues as we gather more data from around the universe, but to say there wasn't firm experimental evidence until the 1970s isn't correct.

    Until string theory makes some testable predictions it's just mathematical and philosophical wanking.

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  9. Cross roads of physics and computing by WaffleMonster · · Score: 4, Funny

    "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection" - David Wheeler

    "All problems in physics can be solved by another dimension" - Some jackass

    Is 26 dimensions better or worse than 26 levels of indirection?