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Chicago Mayor Praises Google For Buying Kids Microsoft Surfaces

theodp (442580) writes "Google earned kudos from Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel this week for teaming up with Staples to fund the projects of 367 of the city's 22,519 public school teachers on "begfunding" site DonorsChoose.org. "Everything that you asked for...every project that the teachers put on to help their students learn, exceed and excel here in the city of Chicago, you now have fully funded," Mayor Emanuel said. "Chicago's hardworking public school teachers are doing all that they can-and more-to support their students, but they need more help," said Rob Biederman, head of Chicago Public Affairs at Google. "We jumped at the chance to join with DonorsChoose.org and Staples to make Chicago's local classroom wishes come true." So what kind of dreams did Google make possible? Ironically, a look at Google Chicago's Giving Page shows that the biggest project funded by Google was to outfit a classroom with 32 Microsoft Surface RT tablets for $12,531, or about 6.5% of the $190,091 Google award. Other big ticket projects funded by Google included $5,931 for a personal home biodiesel kit and $5,552 for a marimba (in the middle of the spectrum was $748 for "Mindfulness Education"). In addition to similar "flash-funding" projects in Atlanta (paper towels!) and the Bay Area, Google and DonorsChoose have also teamed up this year to reward teachers with $400,000 for recruiting girls to learn to code (part of Google's $50 million Made With Code initiative) and an unknown amount for AP STEM teachers who passed Google muster (part of Google's $5 million AP STEM Access grant)."

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  1. No wonder MSFT stock is up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Surface sales must have just doubled!

    1. Re:No wonder MSFT stock is up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      A good way of making sure none of those kids ever use another Microsoft product.

    2. Re:No wonder MSFT stock is up by gweihir · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At least you can get Android Tablets cheap and iPads and Android tablets are good Internet terminals. This surface thing is just a rip-off.

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    3. Re:No wonder MSFT stock is up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your opinion is just as ignorant, and I also wonder if you've ever used one. I have 20+ years doing that same stuff too.

      Sure, I can buy a $2000 Surface Pro "tablet" that fails at being a tablet (empty app store, metro sucks HARD, battery life isn't so good, it's susceptible to common Windows problems, the OS is bloated for a tablet, it's seriously overpriced, etc) and that also fails at being a good computer unless it's plugged to a keyboard, mouse and large LCD panel which is totally the inverse of what buy a tablet for! It's a tablet that sucks HARD at being a tablet and that ends up being a overpriced poor laptop.

      But when you point out that it sucks at being a tablet, the shills and idiots say "but it's also a laptop!" and then you point out stupid it is to use a tablet that's only useful as a laptop (and a overpriced poor one at that) when you say "but it's also a tablet!" disregarding that it sucks at that. Circular thinking at its best! Sure, it sucks it sucks at task #1 but it can do task #2! Yes, it sucks at task #2 but it can also do task #1!

      I'd rather have a $300 android tablet or ipad mini than a $2000 surface pro. At least it's somewhat more useful as a tablet, and that leaves money to buy a FAR better laptop than the surface will ever be.

    4. Re:No wonder MSFT stock is up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, the Surface is a very thin and light laptop with a touchscreen and active digitiser. It's meant for people who need to do work, unlike iPads and Androids which are wholly consumer-only devices.

      Nice troll though.

  2. Cheap press by kenh · · Score: 2

    This $190K expense will buy google an awful lot of free press.

    It's nice that Google did this, but let's be clear - the Chicago Public School system has a staggering number of problems, and a marimba and a classroom full of MS Surface laptop/tablets won't really make a difference outside of the handful of children that will be able to actually touch/use these items.

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  3. Re: Politician thanks company for doing his job by kenh · · Score: 4, Informative

    Chicago Public School teachers are paid between $50-97K, based on education and time in job, plus pension and healthcare benefits.

    http://www.ctunet.com/for-memb...

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  4. huh by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The marimba is good .... and maybe the home bio-diesel kit.

    And then there's

    $400,000 for recruiting girls to learn to code

    Because doubling the workforce without doubling the jobs has worked out so great for every other sector of the economy since 1970 or so when it took off.

  5. The kids first comment will be... by blahbooboo · · Score: 5, Funny

    This isn't an ipad? Crap this sucks.

  6. Re:5.5k for a Marimba? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 4, Informative

    How can a Marimba (which from a look at Google is similar to a Xylophone) cost so much money?

    They are very large, professionally made musical instruments.

    Check out the prices for other major musical instruments ... if you want to get any quality, they are not cheap.

  7. Just wondering ... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just wondering ... but why didn't public schools need to engage in constant fundraising and beg-a-thons in the good old days, for basics? Governments weren't spending more on them then, proportionately.

    We are spending a river now. Where is it going?

    1. Re:Just wondering ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just wondering ... but why didn't public schools need to engage in constant fundraising and beg-a-thons in the good old days, for basics? Governments weren't spending more on them then, proportionately.

      We are spending a river now. Where is it going?

      Bloated management/admin costs. Just like big bidness....

    2. Re:Just wondering ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In "the good old days" there weren't hundreds of computers on campus requiring hardware and software upgrades and an IT staff to maintain them. No digital projectors to buy/upgrade/maintain. No computerized grading systems, attendence systems or student databases. Tech takes a good chunk of our district's budget. Then there are the overpaid district staff of course who are paid 6 figure salaries to hire educational consultants and contractors of questionable educational value at outrageous prices.

    3. Re:Just wondering ... by sillybilly · · Score: 2

      When I was growing up we mostly had blackboards and chalk, pens/pencils and notebooks, and textbooks. And a lot of the indian and asian students that the postgrad classes in the US were flooded with when I was in college as an undergrad, that's how they grew up, with black chalkboards (or sometimes green) and white chalk.
      Though when the school got an 286 IBM AT, I'd be playing Simcity on it a lot, or more like somebody would be playing it and the rest watch. But when it comes to quality education, sometimes a pencil and a piece of paper is more robust than a computer. I for one could not imagine tutoring math to somebody on a computer, instead of a pen and paper, it would only get in the way, the only thing to tutor on a computer is how to use a computer, not how to get your shit done in daily life. Like how to look up math information - the computer is one way, the school library books on shelves another - but when it comes to teaching, and explaining, even the paper book or the computer just get in the way compared to a pencil/pen and piece of paper.

    4. Re:Just wondering ... by Guest316 · · Score: 2

      We are spending a river now. Where is it going?

      From a relatively brief inside view, it's being spent on and by the usual assortment of clueless suits. Got a sudden windfall earmarked for "tech?" Well, uh, who do we know that does computery things? Let's contact the only company we've heard of and not bother asking any of those nerds we pay to do tech stuff. Hey Mr Gates, we've got a ton of money we don't know what to do with, can you help us spend it?

      Yeah, it went pretty much like that. And the greasy salesmen were soon swarming all over sniffing out any perfectly functional and robust systems they could find to replace with PCs in rackmount cases. They never did work right. I'm sure the suits were happy with whatever kickbacks they got, and their ability to point at shiny new boxes and proudly show off how well they modernized things.

  8. Visual Studio RT? by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    outfit a classroom with 32 Microsoft Surface RT tablets for $12,531 [...] $400,000 for recruiting girls to learn to code

    How do these fit together? Since when were programming tools ported to Windows RT?

  9. Teach them how to start a business by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What schools should be teaching is basic entrepreneur skills so that people can create their own jobs after they graduate.

    1. Re:Teach them how to start a business by Rich0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What schools should be teaching is basic entrepreneur skills so that people can create their own jobs after they graduate.

      Skill #1 - be born to parents who can give you enough money to survive until your business makes a profit.

      I think about half of kids in public schools are going to fail to master this one.

  10. Re: Politician thanks company for doing his job by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

    Chicago Public School teachers are paid between $50-97K, based on education and time in job, plus pension and healthcare benefits.

    http://www.ctunet.com/for-memb...

    Yep. Teachers in general are not underpaid. But there's a taboo against saying so.

  11. do tablets actually help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Last research I heard, a few years back, was that computers in the classroom actually harmed academic performance except in the sole case that the point was to learn about computers, because they were a distraction and also students didn't tend to take longhand notes, which is an important part of learning.

    And if the class is a computer class, tablets seem like the worst possible choice.

    1. Re:do tablets actually help? by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have that right. People with some experience in that field have been saying it for a long time, and by now there is a scientific foundation to that idea. However you should not forget that this was not about doing something positive for children, but about getting good press. The average person on the streets thinks that computers help academic performance, because the average person on the street has no clue.

      Incidentally, same as this "Made with Code" nonsense. Most people cannot learn to code to any significant degree and many of those remaining cannot learn to code well. Having these people on a project usually results in negative performance by them, i.e. cleaning up the mess they make costs significantly more money that the worth of anything they created. We desperately need fewer people to learn how to code. Instead we need to make sure only those that actually have the required talent learn how to do it professionally. The others cannot get there, no matter what. Coding well is a very advanced skill.

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    2. Re:do tablets actually help? by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Incidentally, same as this "Made with Code" nonsense. Most people cannot learn to code to any significant degree and many of those remaining cannot learn to code well. Having these people on a project usually results in negative performance by them, i.e. cleaning up the mess they make costs significantly more money that the worth of anything they created. We desperately need fewer people to learn how to code. Instead we need to make sure only those that actually have the required talent learn how to do it professionally. The others cannot get there, no matter what.

      It's fine if they don't, and can't. They still need to try to learn, for several reasons.

      The most important reason the masses should take at least one programming class is to learn what a computer is capable of. Most people wouldn't know a for loop if it bit them. If they took a programming class, they would at least learn that computers are good at doing repetitious things, and this is how it's done. They may not ever be able to write a coherent program, but at least they can see what's possible. Most people view computers as the magic talking box with a screen you can touch to make it do stuff. (As opposed to the past several generations who viewed televisions as the magic talking box with knobs you could touch to make it do stuff.) A programming class, even a bonehead programming class, would give people an inkling of what's happening inside the magic box, and maybe, just maybe, get them to ask a programmer for help with automating tasks.

      The second reason is to make people find out, by experience, that programming is hard. Right now there's a pervasive belief that programming must be easy. After all, my cousin's sister's kid does it. How hard can it be? That boy used to shove peas up his nose. Unless people actually try to write a program, they haven't the faintest inkling how difficult it is. Maybe if they try, they'll finally figure out why programmers cost more than MBAs. Or should.

  12. Re:5.5k for a Marimba? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Good instruments cost money. My wife is a professional flutist and her flute cost $65k. I have a low-end trombone that cost $12k.

  13. Re:Politician thanks company for doing his job by wisnoskij · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ya, because a bunch of toys that will distract from coursework and be broken in 2 months are "needed equipment".

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  14. Peanuts by gweihir · · Score: 2

    If I read this right, the amount give is peanuts and will not have any significant impact whatsoever. If you play it right, apparently positive press can be have for cheap trinkets these days.

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  15. Re: Politician thanks company for doing his job by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

    I would argue the reverse, they are in GENERAL underpaid, but there are definitely some who are NOT underpaid: see Chicago.

    Here is a list of median and starting salaries for teachers. In my state, California, the median is $67k. In my county, Santa Clara, it is $79k. They also receive generous benefits, and summers off. Teachers are paid fairly well compared to other non-technical college graduates.

  16. Re: Politician thanks company for doing his job by quetwo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, then your spouse dosen't know how to account for their time very well.

    When I was teaching, I topped out at $52k a year. This was in the midwest, and the top-paid teacher in the district I think made near $60k.

    We were required to be in the classroom for 990 hours. IF you just count that, 52,000 / 990 = $52/hr.

    But I was required to be in school more than just the kids. This averaged to be 1 hour before they arrived, and 3 after. (4hrs*5days*39weeks) = 780 + 990 = 1770 hours required to be in school. Now, the per-hour figure goes down to just under $30/hr.

    Oh, and if I don't get my grading, lesson plans, meetings, and everything else done in those four hours (I rarely did), then I had to do that as well. Lets be really conservative and say that was only 6 hours a week. 6*39 = 2,004 hours. $25/hr.

    Oddly enough, ~2000 hours is what an average blue-collar worker gets paid for per year, including vacations. $52k is pretty good, but I was also at top-pay. That is what was worked-up to.

  17. What I don't get is what's wrong with _desktops_ by melted · · Score: 2

    What I don't get is what's wrong with _desktops_ in a school lab. They can't be broken or lost as easily. They are more powerful. Each desktop can be shared between several pupils. They're also cheaper, even with larger monitors, have better input devices (real keyboards and mice), and since they're not mobile, they can be set up to boot from the network with zero maintenance.

    Why burn perfectly good money on shit kids don't need, especially when research shows it does nothing for their academic achievement?

  18. Re:If Google paid their taxes ;) by high_rolla · · Score: 2

    Indeed. It also potentially starts setting a dangerous precedent. Once other corporations see the benefits of "donating" like this they will want to do more of it. It wouldn't surprise me to see the government happily oblige and also reduce the funding it provides, as incentive. This continues and the corporations will soon be making quite meaningful "donations". With that will come some very strong influence over how things are run and I'm sure it will be to their benefit as opposed to ours.

    Soon enough it won't be the corporations not paying their taxes to the government but the government not paying it's rent to the corporations.

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  19. Myth perpetuated by ebvwfbw · · Score: 2

    The myth is that a technology like Surface will help in education. It doesn't. From palm pilots, educational software, computers, they don't work with kids. I know, I threw away tens of thousands of bucks on technology. I should have spent it on a hell of a good night in Vegas for as much good as it did. Good old fasioned learning works. Looking at subjects, actually doing them to the point that you can teach them does work. Problems, problems, problems to get the brain to work on it. This is the very thing that they - DON'T - teach in school. How to learn. At least not intentionally. Sometimes you come across a real teacher instead of an educator who will actually teach you.