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Why Hasn't This Asteroid Disintegrated?

sciencehabit writes: Planetary scientists have found an asteroid spinning too fast for its own good. The object, known as 1950 DA, whips around every 2.1 hours, which means that rocks on its surface should fly off into space. What's keeping the remaining small rocks and dust on the surface? The researchers suggest van der Waals forces, weak forces caused by the attraction of polar molecules, which have slightly different charges on different sides of the molecule. For example, water molecules exhibit surface tension because of van der Waals forces, because the negative charge of one water molecule's oxygen atom is attracted to nearby water molecules' hydrogen atoms, which have a positive charge at their surfaces. Similar attractions could be occurring between molecules on the surfaces of different pieces of dust and rock. Such forces would be comparable to those that caused lunar dust to stick to astronauts' space suits.

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  1. No Disintegrations by jimmifett · · Score: 5, Funny

    Give me a nuke, Bruce Willis, Steve Buscemi, and Sad Batman, and I'll make sure that asteroid is good and proper disintegrated!

  2. That's no asteroid... by ulatekh · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...that's a space station!

    Mystery solved.

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    1. Re:That's no asteroid... by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

      It's too big to be a space station!

  3. RAMA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not an asteroid....

  4. Why can't it just be one mass? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article doesn't explain why the idea of this particular body being one mass instead of a rubble pile has been dismissed. Is there a good one?

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    1. Re:Why can't it just be one mass? by Matheus · · Score: 2

      ...or the possibility that the core is some ultra dense material making all those fancy gravity equations balance out! ...or because that's how the aliens who sent it want it to behave!!

    2. Re:Why can't it just be one mass? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Results of a new study (Busch et al.) combining the 2001 Goldstone and Arecibo radar data with optical lightcurves are presented in the journal Icarus. Shape, spin state and surface structure of 1950 DA are estimated. New observations intended to resolve the prograde/retrograde spin issue were inconclusive, therefore two distinct shape models are presented. One rotates in a prograde sense and is roughly spheroidal with a mean diameter of 1.16 +/- 0.12 km. The other rotates in a retrograde sense, is oblate, and about 30% larger. Both models suggest a nickel-iron or enstatite chondritic composition.

      So, since it has been established that the asteroid in question is pretty much a chunk of metal, and the rate of rotation would be fast enough to dislodge independent pieces of material, the obvious answer is "the rubble already flew off, this is a big hunk of nickel-iron." After doing that bit of research, I don't care what is in the summary or the article behind this story, they'd better show up with a good argument that this piece of metal has any rubble clinging to it before I will waste the effort considering other explanations.

    3. Re:Why can't it just be one mass? by radtea · · Score: 2

      The article doesn't explain why the idea of this particular body being one mass instead of a rubble pile has been dismissed. Is there a good one?

      Asteroids are believed to be aggregations of relatively loosely bound matter. They have likely experienced some local melting due to collisions, but it is very unlikely that they ever were entirely melted into a single mass. As such, they are quite peculiar bodies, much less akin to a mountain than a pile of rubble, and they likely aren't even all that close to a pile of rubble because the individual components they are made from were never part of a larger, more coherent body.

      If you think about asteroid formation, you have to start with dust that accretes into small pellets, which then collide to form semi-melted rock-like-things, which then clump into asteroids (all the while suffering more collisions which produce local melting but not whole-body melting of the kind planets experienced.) This is all a consequence of the collisional statistics and dynamics in the early solar system.

      So the proposition "Asteroids are loosely bound" is pretty plausible, and ones with high spin are therefore interesting because require us to revisit that plausibility, and who wouldn't want to do that?

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  5. Molten piece of crystalline rock with ionic bonds by sillybilly · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What's keeping a piece of rock that used to be molten lava together? Crystalline ionic attractive forces. Van der Waals forces would not be strong enough to keep such an asteroid together, and that's proof that the whole thing flew off as one piece from some supernova explosion. Maybe that's the idea of catching these asteroids with spacecraft - see what stuff looks like coming straight out of a supernova, as opposed to stuff that has been impact pounded into the Moon's surface, or glowing-hot shooting star thermally remelted on the Earth's surface. The stuff that lands on Earth is mostly remnants of shooting stars that did not completely combust, but there might be some meteorite rocks that were traveling with speed close to that of Earth on rendezvous, and only attained terminal velocity in the atmosphere that's not fast enough to melt them. So some meteorites that land on the Earth could be very similar to a captured asteroid out there, and a lot cheaper. Another aspect of capturing an asteroid is practice: for when we have to capture stuff in space to build space stations out of them. Space is very very empty, huge distances of vacuum with very little stuff sprinkled here and there. Any stuff, any matter, is worth gold in outer space, especially away from a gravity well like Earth or Jupiter, but the Moon is better.

  6. fucking magnets by Narcocide · · Score: 5, Funny

    how do they work?

  7. Why Hasn't This Asteroid Disintegrated? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe it doesn't know any better. Rocks aren't exactly known for their keen intelligence.

  8. That's not what van der Waals is! by plus_M · · Score: 5, Informative

    TFS says that vdW interactions are interactions between polar molecules... that's absolutely false! The reason water has a high surface tension is due to hydrogen bonding, which is a combination of polar interactions and charge transfer. The reason that polar molecules attract is entirely due to electrostatic reasons... electric dipoles aligning causing favorable interactions. Van der Waals interactions are when NON-polar molecules spontaneously polarize one another to form instantaneous dipoles, which attract electrostatically. The key here is that vdW attractions occur even in molecules that do not have any static dipole... the dipole-dipole interactions are dynamic and fluctuating. One of the hallmarks of vdW interactions are their asymptotic behavior. Charge-charge interactions die off as r^-1. Dipole-dipole interactions die off as r^-3. vdW interactions die off as r^-6.

    1. Re:That's not what van der Waals is! by sexconker · · Score: 2

      You're lucky Slashdot doesn't have a "-1: Basic Grasp of Relevant Concepts", because I'm sure you'd be modbombed by it.

      Maybe I'm just old, but I'm really sick of seeing articles, interviews, etc. where the "expert", often times an actual degree-wielding scientist, gets fundamental concepts completely wrong. Every time I hear someone explain lift with "air on the top of the wing has to move faster, so... lift!" I want to defecate into their open mouths.

  9. No by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

    Betteridge's Law says no.