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No, a Huge Asteroid Is Not "Set To Wipe Out Life On Earth In 2880"

An anonymous reader writes "Phil Plait wants you to know that asteroid 1950 DA is very, very unlikely to hit the Earth in 2880, despite what you may have read. He writes: "As it happens, 1950 DA is what's called a 'near-Earth asteroid', because its orbit sometimes brings it relatively close to Earth. I'll note that I mean close on a cosmic scale. Looking over the next few decades, a typical pass is tens of millions of kilometers away, with some as close as five million kilometers — which is still more than ten times farther away than the Moon! Still, that's in our neighborhood, which is one of the reasons this asteroid is studied so well. It gets close enough that we can get a decent look at it when it passes. Can it impact the Earth? Yes, kindof. Right now, the orbit of the asteroid doesn't bring it close enough to hit us. But there are forces acting on asteroids over time that subtly change their orbits; one of them is called the YORP effect, a weak force that arises due to the way the asteroid spins and radiates away heat. The infrared photons it emits when it's warm carry away a teeny tiny bit of momentum, and they act pretty much like an incredibly low-thrust rocket. Over many years, this can change both the rotation of the asteroid as well as the shape of its orbit."

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  1. Actually... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Everything I've read said it's very unlikely to hit Earth in 2880. One chance in three hundred does not "likely" make.

    On the other hand, 1 in 300 is pretty close to the chance of a Straight coming up without a Draw....

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    1. Re:Actually... by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Interesting

      On the other hand, 1 in 300 is pretty close to the chance of a Straight coming up without a Draw....

      That number is an old estimate which appeared in the article that TFA was actually complaining about for sensationalizing things. The current estimate is more like 1 in 4000, which is more like drawing 4-of-a-kind in five cards... not exactly a common poker hand.

    2. Re:Actually... by Notabadguy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hopefully Morgan Freeman will still be around to save us from ELE!

    3. Re:Actually... by innerweb · · Score: 2

      The chances of us wiping ourselves out before the asteroid arrives is better than the odds of the asteroid wiping us out.

      Isn't that Ironic

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    4. Re:Actually... by jd2112 · · Score: 2

      Hopefully Morgan Freeman will still be around to save us from ELE!

      No, clone Bruce Willis and send him to blow it up.

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    5. Re:Actually... by nbauman · · Score: 2

      The current estimate is more like 1 in 4000, which is more like drawing 4-of-a-kind in five cards... not exactly a common poker hand.

      I dunno. 1 in 4000 is not such great odds when it's an asteroid destroying the earth.

      If a doctor recommended surgery, and the mortality rate was 1 in 4000, I'd make damn sure the benefits outweighed the risk. And I'd update my will.

      Suppose somebody built a nuclear power plant next door to you that had a 1 in 4000 chance of going critical on any one day. That's a median of 11 years, right?

      I hope that whenever a risk comes along of 1 chance in 4000 of destroying the world, people take care of it.

    6. Re:Actually... by geogob · · Score: 2

      I wonder on what basis you make those assumptions...
      Look where mankind was 800 years ago. Look where we stand today. Although such a leap forward isn't assured, it can nonetheless be assumed without too grand risk for error.

    7. Re:Actually... by stjobe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Suppose somebody built a nuclear power plant next door to you that had a 1 in 4000 chance of going critical on any one day. That's a median of 11 years, right?

      Yeah, sure. But the thing here is that it's not a 1 in 4,000 chance of this asteroid hitting us every day; it's 1 in 4,000 that it'll hit us once. 800-odd years from now.

      1 in 4,000 is a small enough chance to be a virtual certainty over a few hours for events happening once a second - does that mean anything at all to a 1 in 4,000 once-in-a-lifetime chance? No. And this event is not even a once-in-a-lifetime event; it's once-in-several-tens-of-lifetimes.

      Or to put it another way: People suck at probability assessments.

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    8. Re:Actually... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      By 800 years from now, all it will take to deflect the asteroid will be emailing the manager of the Chinese steel mill on it and having him blip the thruster jets for long enough to nudge it in the proper direction.

    9. Re:Actually... by ibwolf · · Score: 3, Informative

      Even a common place apendectomy has a mortality rate of about 2% last time I checked.

      You must have checked it a VERY long time ago. It is true that the rate of complication is about 2-3%, but the MORTALITY rate (i.e. the number of people that die as a result of the surgery) is

      estimated at one to two per 1,000,000 cases of appendicitis

      (Source: http://www.surgeryencyclopedia...)

      Not 1 in 50 as a 2% mortality rate would indicate.

    10. Re:Actually... by geekmux · · Score: 2

      800 years is not that far off. There is no way that humans will advance to the stage where we can manipulate asteroids or explore space by then. Chances are, we will be extinct.

      100 years ago man was barely grasping the concept of manned flight a few hundred feet off the ground.

      Now we have rovers on Mars chatting back and forth, and astronauts Tweeting "backyard" pics from the ISS.

      I find it a bit of a slap in the face that you assume what man is capable of 800 years from now when you can't even begin to fathom where we will be 100 years from now from a technological standpoint. We can't even imagine an environment devoid of the internet anymore, and that was a concept that only took a few decades to change the world as we know it, especially the financial sector.

      As far as chance goes, chances are the wisest elders were condemning us to extinction 800 years ago too. And 800 years before that. Let's face it, we're a weak species who's been on the brink of screwed for thousands of years now, armed only with the power of logic and opposing thumbs. Perhaps we can keep our indifference's in check for a few more centuries to survive.

  2. Re:Photon pressure is a joke. by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Informative

    Especially when you compare it to the gravitational changes induces by each pass by the Earth/moon system and its pass of Mars and (more weakly) Jupiter.

    Each one affects it FAR more than anything from photon pressure.

    Yeah, TFS makes it sound like the YORP effect is something significant, but if you read TFA (I know, i know...) you discover that the YORP thing seems to be there to point out: (1) there are lots of very small effects that make long-term predictions for orbits difficult, and (2) one needs to do a LOT of observations to be able to predict all of these factors, but (3) we HAVE an unusually large set of observations on this asteroid (including enough to predict things like YORP effect factors).

    Hence, from TFA:

    They accounted for a lot of small effects on the asteroid, including the YORP thrust, the gravity of the planets, the gravity of other asteroids, and so on. They found that the probability of an impact in 2880 is about 2.48 x 10^-4, which is about 1 in 4000.

    I realize that lots of people out there are idiots, and everyone here thinks that they can immediately think of something obvious that no expert doing a study would ever consider... but, you know, sometimes the experts actually have thought of the obvious thing before you posted about it on Slashdot.

  3. Re:Asteroids are a threat - let's deal with them by WalksOnDirt · · Score: 4, Informative

    This asteroid is only around 1 km in diameter. An impact would be distinctly annoying, but civilization, and most people, should survive.

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  4. Re:science and religion agree! by dugancent · · Score: 2

    Good deal. That means we can ignore this!

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  5. Re:Photon pressure is a joke. by dcollins · · Score: 3, Informative

    "The Yarkovsky–O'Keefe–Radzievskii–Paddack effect, or YORP effect for short, is a second-order variation on the Yarkovsky effect that changes the rotation rate of a small body (such as an asteroid)."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorp

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  6. Only a 0.0248% chance by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Everything I've read said it's very unlikely to hit Earth in 2880. One chance in three hundred does not "likely" make.

    Especially since it is actually 1 in 4,000 or 0.0248%. Still I'd actually think it would be a good thing to have the odds a lot higher, like 90%, with a lead time like this of 800+ years. To date the existential threat posed by wars have caused science to make massive advances but this has come at a huge cost of misery and death

    Think of the scientific advances that could come from an existential threat that, instead of pitting us against each other, actually puts all of humanity on the same side for a change. In the past 800 years we have come from the dark ages to the internet age. If we can't get it together enough to develop the technology needed to cause a small deflection to an asteroid in the next 800 years then I'd say it was probably time for evolution to give it a second roll of the dice.