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Daimler's Solution For Annoying Out-of-office Email: Delete It

AmiMoJo writes Sure, you can set an out-of-office auto-reply to let others know they shouldn't email you, but that doesn't usually stop the messages; you may still have to handle those urgent-but-not-really requests while you're on vacation. That's not a problem if you work at Daimler, though. The German automaker recently installed software that not only auto-replies to email sent while staff is away, but deletes it outright.

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  1. I'll check that immediately by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dear Daimler-Benz

    I know it's after hours, but I would like to order 500 cars of the Model S as quickly as possible, color unimportant.
    I'll pay double for speedy delivery.

    1. Re:I'll check that immediately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1) Daimler-Benz doesn't exist any more.
      2) "Model S" isn't a model that was ever produced by Daimler-Benz or Daimler AG.
      3) 500 cars isn't very many and would merely be a drop in the bucket compared to how much money Daimler AG has.
      4) Daimler AG has more than one person working for them.
      5) Sane people make money to live their lives, not the other way around.

    2. Re:I'll check that immediately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think the point is to not have work pile up while on vacation. I do not think people use "out of office" for after work hours.

      Some of the people I work with use "out of office" for weekends. It's a passive-aggressive way of fighting back against the corporate expectation that everybody will login for email 24/7 (an expectation that got worse as corporate-issued mobile email devices got pushed further down the ladder).

  2. It's not annoying by mwfischer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Out Of Office = "I'm not going to get a timely reply"

    1. Re:It's not annoying by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Informative

      Proper out of office messages will also give you the name and number or e-mail address of the person to contact if this is an urgent matter. So for a routine issue, you'll know that you at least have to wait X days until the person returns. For an urgent issue, you can expedite matters with one more contact.

      I can't see Daimler's solution being used anywhere to good effect.

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    2. Re:It's not annoying by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So for a routine issue, you'll know that you at least have to wait X days until the person returns.

      Problem is that it's more like X days + however long it takes that person to do all the other tasks that have built up while they were away.

      Daimler are just moving the work from the person on holiday to the people sending them emails. Instead of that person having to sort all their email when they get back, the people sending the email sort it for them while they are away. Anything that can be passed on to others is, anything that has to wait gets re-sent if it is really that important.

      No-one likes to come back to an inbox full of crap after a holiday, and it probably doesn't help Daimler either. Many of those messages will be pointless and get deleted instantly anyway. The person will waste lots of time chasing other people to see if they handled things.

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  3. Defeats the purpose by sandytaru · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Email's strength is that it is asynchronous. I send CC emails to people that I know are not available because I want them to read it when they get back, so they aren't totally clueless as to what happened while they were out scuba diving or whatever.

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    1. Re:Defeats the purpose by JackieBrown · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I used to do something similar as the author. My out of office was something to the effect of

      "I will be out of the office from XX to XX. During this time, John will be my point of contact and he can be reached at john@email.com.

      If you prefer to wait until I return to work, please send me a follow up email so I know your request still needs attention."

      That said, I still went through all my emails when I came back. This system just helped me prioritize.

    2. Re:Defeats the purpose by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Have some respect. You can wait until the person returns to work to send them messages.

      My world should not stop because you chose to get off. And waiting until the person gets back is far worse - they are going to be flooded by all the emails which nobody sent while they were out. Far better to be able to triage what came in while you were away at your own pace.

    3. Re:Defeats the purpose by sandytaru · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They aren't things I expect them to handle when they get back. It's more along the lines of "X broke while you were gone. We did Y to fix it. Here's the status on Y." Otherwise, they're going to encounter Y a month from now and go "wtf is this Y thing?" and we'll have to explain that Y happened while they were skiing in the Swiss Alps but we didn't bother CCing them on the plans for it.

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    4. Re:Defeats the purpose by Lemmeoutada+Collecti · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wonderful, your world can keep going. Please contact my alternate (as indicated by my OOO reply) and they will make sure your world maintains its vital impetus. If it's not worth contacting them, then it's not that important at all, and you can reach out to me when I get back.

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    5. Re:Defeats the purpose by bondsbw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A solution to this problem is to organize decisions and action items into a centralized repository that can be viewed and tracked by everyone.

      Email is best used for quick communication, not for project tracking.

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    6. Re:Defeats the purpose by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "The problem with this is that email tends to get massively backed up when people like you think that you can do that"

      If only there was some way to determine when an email was received! Then people could continue to look at current emails, and go over the backlog or choose to just delete the whole lot of them from when they left until they returned! But no. As you point out, email was always intended to be a synchronous mechanism, and one should call first and make sure their intended recipient is in the office before sending an email! The nerve of people like sandytaru thinking they can just send emails at any time without verifying that the person is in the office and in front of their computer first!*

      Yes. You are an idiot.

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    7. Re:Defeats the purpose by bigfinger76 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You touch my back one more time and I'm sending an email to HR.

  4. Why not just ignore it until you get back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I let physical mail pile up and then deal with it when I get back. Ditto electronic mail. Just tell people when you'll be away and that you won't be checking during that time. The only people who get annoyed by this tend to be the sort of people who deserve to be irritated anyhow.

    And unlike physical mail you don't have to worry about the accumulation tipping off burglars.

  5. Funny thing about email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You don't have to check it while you are on vacation. You can actually ignore it.

    So why delete what could be important communication? Just deal with it when you are back in the office.

    1. Re:Funny thing about email by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "You don't have to check it while you are on vacation. You can actually ignore it."

      You don't _have_ to, but you can.

      This is Europe.
      There _is_ no unpaid overtime!
      If people check their mail during vacation, they are working, and they have to be paid and their vacation is still due an they can sue the company when they leave (or not) to get payment for the missed holidays or weekends.
      Same thing if you get sick or injured during a holiday, the days don't count as holiday but as sick days, even if you stay there at the beach bar with a cast for 4 or 5 weeks. (although you can't drink alcohol, since this can hinder a speedy recovery)
      The vacation days are still due.

      Also, people with a security/dangerous job have to be alert and cannot have worked _anything_ 8 hours before the shift, if case of an accident or other misfortune, the company would be liable.

      "So why delete what could be important communication? Just deal with it when you are back in the office."

      If it's really important, the vacation guy is replaced during his absence and the replacement handles the email.
      If that's not the case, it's not an important job, even if the tenant thinks it is.

    2. Re:Funny thing about email by wiredlogic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then the solution is to lock employees out of email when they're on vacation, not delete what could be an important communication.

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  6. They are clueless... by benignbala · · Score: 4, Interesting

    about what Out-Of-Office responses are meant for. The primary reason you have them is :
    You *want* to convey something to a bunch of people and you expect some response. The Out-Of-Office just says don't expect a response from that person. But that person is still expected to read the emails.

    Also, there are numerous occasions where people have been assigned tasks that need to be handled later, but the assignment was done when they are out-of-office. My own manager comes in at 8:00 am, while the official work hours start at 9:00 am. So, I get mails just within an hour before the out-of-office period ends. I definitely don't want those emails deleted.

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  7. Urgent Benz email by rossdee · · Score: 4, Funny

    From Lewis Hamilton
    To Ross Brawn

    Tell Nico to move over, I 'm doing faster lap times.

  8. It's OPTIONAL! by Scutter · · Score: 4, Informative

    FTFA: issues a reply to the sender that the person is out of the office and that the email will be deleted, while also offering the contact information of another employee for pressing matters.

    and

    the program — which is optional — has gone down well with the company’s German employees

    Seriously, the idea is that you get to actually take a vacation and let someone else handle the load while you're away. That way, you're not coming back to work with twice the workload as when you left. For many companies, if you take a vacation, no one covers you. The work just piles up. It makes it hard to relax knowing that you've got a mountain of work to return to. No one is taking away "Out of Office" messages or breaking them for people who want to use them.

    I've seen several comments here saying "Well, I'm just CC'ing people who need to be kept in the loop!" Ok, I get that. If it's that important, why don't you just wait until they get back and give them a short briefing? If it's not that important, why did you bother sending it in the first place?

      I, for one, applaud the effort to push back against the anti-vacation, anti-personal time culture.

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  9. Re:"they shouldn't email you?" by Golden_Rider · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've never interpreted these auto-replies to mean that I shouldn't send mail to that address. I thought they're just courtesy replies from a robot explaining that it'll be a long time before anyone reads it.

    Deleting the email seems like a bad idea. That'll keep the recipient from being able to read it when they return.

    And WTF does this have to do with overtime?

    In theory you could just let the emails sit there until you are back at work, but in practice sadly it is often expected that you check your email inbox every now and then. Employees often feel that they can't say "no" to the expectation that they have to be available via email even while at home off work hours. To protect employees (because vacations and off work time are to be protected, for health reasons), there are discussions in Europe about introducing new regulations which would make any such "off work work" paid overtime, by law - effectively making it financially interesting for companies to prevent emails from reaching their employees when they are off work. This Daimler story is just one example of that.

  10. Re:Not a bad strategy by camperdave · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It won't work. You also need one more thing: a sender that pays attention to the out of office message. When I see an email which has a subject line that says "Out of office", I don't bother reading it. I just delete it. Obviously the recipient got the email; they just won't respond right away.

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  11. Re:"they shouldn't email you?" by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Employees often feel that they can't say "no" to the expectation that they have to be available via email even while at home off work hours.

    People just need to make it clearer that you will be unreachable. My managers stopped when they insisted that they needed a way to get a hold of me in case of emergency since I would be well out of cellphone range. My response was a trained tracker and a team of search dogs. I told him about where I was going to be leaving my car and said to start searching there as I would be somewhere up in the north woods of Minnesota.

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  12. Re:Not a bad strategy by dskoll · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If a sender does not pay attention to my message, then why should I pay attention to the sender's message?

    If I send something important and then soon afterwards get an out-of-office reply, I certainly read it.

  13. That's never going to happen in a US company by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem with implementing something like this in a US company is the staffing model. European companies tend to have more people doing similar jobs, so that one person actually can fill in for another. Most out of office messages say something like "I'm not here, please contact my manager XYZ for assistance." 9 times out of 10, there's no backup person who can actually provide an answer, simply because there's no backup staff that knows enough to solve a problem.

    The other issue is that at least in IT, most places still allow individuals to knowledge-hoard. Often it's unintentional (see understaffing above) because there's simply no time to ensure someone else knows about what you do. But sometimes people do this in a misguided quest for job security. Also, a very small number of people do it to cover something up -- there stories out there about people who found loopholes in purchasing/accounting systems and used them to write checks to themselves or divert equipment...and only got caught when someone else started reviewing things they had been handling themselves.

    In my opinion, a lot of the knowledge-hoarding would stop if people were able to trust their employers to keep them employed, or to at least treat them fairly if they had to be laid off. Sure, implementing worker-friendly policies would probably be expensive in the short run, but I can't tell you the number of times I've walked into a new job where the previous individual held all the tribal knowledge about a system or process. I think this policy is a very good one -- especially for employees who work a stressful job and have family commitments, etc. Being able to completely ignore everything during a vacation would be something many employees would stick around to keep. Personally, I have a very busy work schedule and 2 little kids at home. Between not sleeping normally and often having to use my downtime to finish extra work, I would _love_ to be able to say "here, this is your problem now" for 2 weeks. (I wouldn't even have to go anywhere...just put me somewhere to turn off my brain for a couple days.)

    It'll never happen here though -- there are too many people who buy into the "job creators" meme and let their employers walk all over them...everyone who even suggests a worker-friendly policy is a lazy entitled socialist here.