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Wheel Damage Adding Up Quickly For Mars Rover Curiosity

An anonymous reader writes: The folks in charge of the Mars rover Curiosity have been trying to solve an increasingly urgent problem: what to do about unexpected wheel damage. The team knew from the start that wear and tear on the wheels would slowly accumulate, but they've been surprised at how quickly the wheels have degraded over the past year. Emily Lakdawalla at the Planetary Society blog has posted a detailed report on the team's conclusions as to what's causing the damage and how they can mitigate it going forward. Quoting: "The tears result from fatigue. You know how if you bend a metal paper clip back and forth repeatedly, it eventually snaps? Well, when the wheels are driving over a very hard rock surface — one with no sand — the thin skin of the wheels repeatedly bends. The wheels were designed to bend quite a lot, and return to their original shape. But the repeated bending and straightening is fatiguing the skin, causing it to fracture in a brittle way. The bending doesn't happen (or doesn't happen as much) if the ground gives way under the rover's weight, as it does if it's got the slightest coating of sand on top of rock. It only happens when the ground is utterly impervious to the rover's weight — hard bedrock. The stresses from metal fatigue are highest near the tips of the chevron features, and indeed a lot of tears seem to initiate close to the chevron features."

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  1. Next time: No aluminum foil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The things are the thinnest element in the entire lander. When I first saw those wheels, I just shrugged and figured they knew what they were doing. But the reality seems to be that they stuck with some sort of legacy design and somehow nobody ever asked the obvious question about those miserably thin wheels.

    Though maybe I should instead be celebrating the fact that they didn't get their metric crossed with their imperial.

    1. Re: Next time: No aluminum foil by shonangreg · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that the rovers lasted FAR longer than anyone expected them too. That the wheels ended up being the weakest link is hardly with much criticism. If they had over-engineered every component, the river would have been heavier, more expensive, delayed, over-budget, and maybe still on earth. The solution? Just make two more with stronger wheels and send them up tomorrow. The overall efficiency of the mission was that good.

  2. Duration??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    For a three month mission, this rover is performing fantastically beyond expectations. That is is breaking down now, two years after first landing, is not exactly unsurprising.

    Sure, we should do whatever we can to continue its mission -- the knowledge being learned is still impressive but let's not expect it to perform more than eight times its original mission....

    1. Re:Duration??? by DiSKiLLeR · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The Opportunity (MER-B) Rover landed on Mars January 25, 2004. More than 10 years later, it is still going strong even though it, too, was only expected to perform a 3 month (90 day) mission.

      The success and longevity of the earlier Mars rover missions sort of sets expectations that future missions will last just as long....

      We of course realise that is not possible. Plenty of missions end early, Spirit (MER-A) got its wheel stuck and got in trouble years ago but Opportunity keeps on running and sets unrealistically high expectations of Curiosity and future missions.

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    2. Re:Duration??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The planned mission duration was 2 years not 3 months.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curiosity_%28rover%29

      You are thinking about Spirit and Opportunity, whom both enormously exceeded their planned mission duration.

    3. Re:Duration??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For a three month mission, this rover is performing fantastically beyond expectations.

      Save it, nobody's buying it. Spirit and Opportunity set a higher bar than that.

    4. Re:Duration??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For a three month mission, this rover is performing fantastically beyond expectations.

      Save it, nobody's buying it. Spirit and Opportunity set a higher bar than that.

      Hey, Spirit and Opportunity went beyond expectations... way better than Hope and Change, that failed almost instantly.

    5. Re:Duration??? by Beck_Neard · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Curiosity is not spirit or opportunity. This is a much heavier rover. Plus, it consumes way more power and moves faster. The forces on the wheel are much much rougher than on the MER rovers.

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    6. Re:Duration??? by SpzToid · · Score: 1

      You've confused your different Mars Rovers. Curiosity was launched from Earth on November 26, 2011.

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    7. Re:Duration??? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      No, what this actually says is that mission goals of a specific time are a nebulous, silly concept that are foisted off on the Power Point People because it's simpler than explaining complex physics and material sciences. It avoids icky concepts like engineering trade offs, probabilities, risk ratios and mathematical feats more complicated than 'next slide'.

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    8. Re:Duration??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, and they should have taken this into account in their engineering and field trials!

    9. Re:Duration??? by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      They did. And they designed it really well. So far has gone well beyond what the primary mission required of it. They are now trying to find ways to boost its life even further.

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    10. Re:Duration??? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Plenty of missions end early, Spirit (MER-A)

      Er what?
      Spirit
      Original Mission Parameters: 90 Mars days (sols)
      Actual Mission Length: 2210 sols (lost contact)
      I wouldn't say Spirit's mission ended early. It went 2100 sols past mission date. It didn't last as long as Opportunity though.

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    11. Re:Duration??? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The original mission duration was 668 sols for Curiosity. It is on 723 sols or so.

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    12. Re:Duration??? by almitydave · · Score: 1

      For a three month mission, this rover is performing fantastically beyond expectations.

      Save it, nobody's buying it. Spirit and Opportunity set a higher bar than that.

      Hey, Spirit and Opportunity went beyond expectations... way better than Hope and Change, that failed almost instantly.

      Well, the leading alternative was Smith and Wesson, but voters weren't quite ready to pull that trigger.

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    13. Re:Duration??? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      But, they are moving slower than expected, in part because of the wheel worries.

  3. Odd material selection by ColaMan · · Score: 0

    Still unsure as to why they didn't go with polyurethane or hard plastic wheels or similar. Probably about the same weight as the alloy ones, much less susceptible to fatigue.

    Might be hard to find something that's good for those temperatures, but surely not that hard. Or were they expecting more sandy areas?

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    1. Re:Odd material selection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget Mars isn't a hot desert, it's mostly freezing. Plastic would crack under the heat/freeze cycle.

    2. Re:Odd material selection by ericloewe · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the thing weighs a ton.

    3. Re:Odd material selection by LoRdTAW · · Score: 5, Informative

      Plastics don't do very well in a vacuum like atmosphere full of radiation with wide temperature swings in the long term. Plus the low average surface temperature of -82F/-63C makes plastics less malleable and in many cases, brittle.

      In the low atmosphere they can become brittle from outgassing and are susceptible to cracking and can simply shatter like glass. Nylon wire ties in a vacuum chamber simply fall apart after a few months. Though the 6 mbar (4.5 Torr) Atmospheric pressure of Mars isn't a hard vacuum, it is still 0.6% That of Earth's average sea level pressure.

      Then you have radiation degrading the plastics which again makes them brittle. A friend worked on RHIC out in Brookhaven National Labs and since he was small and skinny he was tasked with changing out a lot of the sensor cables on the ring. The insulation simply disintegrated from radiation. There was nothing they could do about it save for bulky shielding which would have made servicing impossible.

      In the end, metals are simply more suited to the task.

    4. Re:Odd material selection by geekoid · · Score: 1

      And you can't use the average temperature as a primary guide. The landing area temperature range from minus 127 C to positive 40 C

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    5. Re:Odd material selection by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Nowhere on Mars has ever been +40 C.

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    6. Re:Odd material selection by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Curiosity does have a bunch of 'nylon tie' like objects on the top of the rover, holding bundles of cables together. Wonder what they're made out of. A quick search found lots of documentation on exactly how to run the cables (fun factoid - they still use knots on cord) but not much on what the stuff was made out of.

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    7. Re:Odd material selection by tipo159 · · Score: 2

      According to a JPL article, "During their exploration of Mars, the rovers have recorded temperatures ranging from midday highs of about 35 degrees C" (Source link). Making the range a round number like 40 C seems reasonable in this instance.

    8. Re:Odd material selection by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Spirit recorded temperatures of +35C - http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mer/s....

      You are claiming that in say the last 10,000 years nowhere on the planet has ever managed to get just 5C higher than what was measured in an arbitrary few year window?

    9. Re:Odd material selection by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      My guess is the metal fatigue is being cause by radiation. Mars does not have the atmosphere and magnetosphere of Earth (no news flash here). So maybe it's just a case where cosmic radiation causes metal fatigue and we didn't know that -- or perhaps it's SPECIFIC to the type of allow being used.

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    10. Re:Odd material selection by mirix · · Score: 1

      Historically cable lacing was done with waxed cotton. Since WWII more nylon and polyester, as they wear harder and don't burn as good, don't like water, etc.

      I'd imagine NASA uses some kind of space age stuff.. polyimide or some sort of fluoropolymer, but who knows, maybe cotton has better extreme cold weather performance.

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  4. Re:Remember when the lifespan was ~180 days? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Solarpanels ? Curiosity is powered by an RTG not solarpanels.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curiosity_%28rover%29

    You are thinking about Spirit and Opportunity, whom both have solarpanels.

  5. xkcd by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Spirit

    Obligatory, because it's beautiful.

    1. Re:xkcd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shhh!!! Thanshin is a Space Nutter. This is a religion that has the human race as a doomed species and space is the only solution. Anything at all in space is worthy of the greatest emotion and admiration.

      You're being a religious bigot by making fun of his beliefs.

    2. Re:xkcd by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

      I cry every damn time I read that one. And I don't care who knows. Heck. I cry just reading the wikipedia entry for Spirit.

      That collection of nuts, bolts, and solar panels did more with less and used up every last bit of its capability in the pursuit of its mission. Yes I know I am anthropomorphising a bit (a lot), but I DON'T CARE.

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    3. Re:xkcd by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

      Yay! I'm an extreme minority!

      And who the fuck is Dane Cook?

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    4. Re:xkcd by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

      So wait, you hate the comic and yet know the comic's author's name? I actually like the site, but have never had any idea who was drawing them. Also, hating something just to be counter-culture is a rather hipster thing to do (though hating on hipsters also seems to be hip).

    5. Re:xkcd by geekoid · · Score: 1

      He is the Karate of Comedy.

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    6. Re:xkcd by geekoid · · Score: 1

      70+ million hits a month is an extreme minority?

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    7. Re:xkcd by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      It's a dozen very lonely guys and a bunch of Slashdot links....

      Or is that statement too redundant?

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    8. Re:xkcd by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Group hug!

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    9. Re:xkcd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Shhh!!! Thanshin is a Space Nutter. This is a religion that has the human race as a doomed species and space is the only solution. Anything at all in space is worthy of the greatest emotion and admiration.

      AC from yesterday's thread here, QA. When people speak of "humanity as doomed unless it gets off this rock" (to use the terms that I know most annoy you ;), we mean over the extremely long term, wherein Earth absolutely, positively, definitively ceases to be habitable for multicellular life after about 1-2 billion years as the Sun starts to run low on fuel and the oceans boil.

      When we refer to "the species", we're not so much referring to homo sapiens per se, we're referring to the "sapiens" part. Sentient life is pretty rare, even on Earth. Life, even a mere 100My from now, will probably be as unrecognizable to us as we would be to the dinosaurs. I'm not willing to gamble on the cetaceans, cephalopods, or social insects getting lucky, so right now, I'm rooting for the primates and their descendants. But over the billion-year timeframe, I don't really give a damn as long as it's sentient.

      I was born on this rock. I will die on this rock. I'm biased towards the lifeforms that evolved on this rock. If that makes me a bigot, so be it. I think sentience is pretty neat, and I'd like to see it last as long as possible. (If I knew that sentience was common in the universe, and we may be able to determine that within the next few hundred years with some suitably-large telescopes, I'd care a lot less about the future of life on this rock over the million-year timeframe, let alone a billion years. But right now, so far as we know, we're unique.)

    10. Re:xkcd by strikethree · · Score: 1

      I cry every damn time I read that one.

      I understand why. Definitely high art there. It has great impact.

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    11. Re:xkcd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One day, man will set foot on Mars, I like to think we will take the time togo see Opportunity, dust him off and maybe get him running again...

      Like the end of Short Circuit 2?

  6. Odd material selection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    polyurethane or hard plastic

    Worried about UV damage?

  7. FIRESTONE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is somehow involved.

  8. Future Design Requirement by RedLeg · · Score: 1

    Seriously, Spare Tires? Or spare belts for tires so that the rover can re-tread itself.

    1. Re:Future Design Requirement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you take the weight added for the spare tire and mechanism to change it and add that extra weight to the existing tires instead.

      Just ditch the measuring equipment, the entire point of the project is to drive as far as possible on the surface.

    2. Re:Future Design Requirement by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Just ditch the measuring equipment, the entire point of the project is to drive as far as possible on the surface.

      No, it's to draw willies on Mars.

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    3. Re:Future Design Requirement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Seriously, Spare Tires? Or spare belts for tires so that the rover can re-tread itself."

      Too expensive. Just buy a membership card of the AAA.

  9. Just change the wheels by Irish-DnB · · Score: 2

    Simply build a wheel changing robot and launch it to Mars.

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    1. Re:Just change the wheels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know which word you mis-used there.

    2. Re:Just change the wheels by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      "Simply".

    3. Re:Just change the wheels by GNious · · Score: 1
    4. Re:Just change the wheels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, he didn't say "Build a wheel changing robot and simply launch it to Mars."

      p.s. Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering KABOOM.

    5. Re:Just change the wheels by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      The problem is that landing isn't that precise. You could end up miles away from Curiosity. Then the wheel fixing robot has to drive across the same surface that damaged Curiosity's wheels, which will break the wheel fixing robot's wheels. Who fixes that?

    6. Re:Just change the wheels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just launch thousands of missions! statistically some of them will be on target: Birthday Paradox. You can change the wheels on the wheel changing robots and drive them iteratively closer until you eventually have a huge pile of spare wheels.

      More seriously, the naive answer is to stick two sets of wheels on the next one, both driven but one raised off the ground, then rotate to the next set of wheels when the first set wear out. But then it's probably more economical in terms of weight to just make the tire portion of the wheel thicker to increase travellable distance.

      EB3F was invented (by Karen Taminger at NASA Langley) since Curiosity was launched. It's feasible that the next rover could have an EB3F apparatus and weld and repair it's own wheels (and other parts), extruding more tread onto them as needed.

      The end goal, though excruciatingly difficult is to integrate enough manufacturing technology into a future rover that it can fabricate rovers that can fabricate rovers, ad nauseum, from materials on the Martian and Lunar surfaces. This is presently impossible, but one day in the future long after we've figured out how to do it, we'll look back on the history and wonder why it wasn't completely obvious to everyone how to do it, just as we tend to look back on electronics past and laugh at how primitive and baroque it is.

  10. Someone with no brain is running NASA by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2

    Pic of the wheel ...

    http://www.garrettbelmont.com/...

    The first time when I saw the wheels I was wondering why the hell they spend so much money to send up a robot to Mars and then equip that thing with such flimsy wheels

    And I did post question here on /, and there were people (NASA fanbois, perhaps) defending those flimsy wheels

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    1. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by andydread · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Would you mind posting a pic of the wheel that you have engineered that would do better? thanks. Make sure to consider launch weight, and sustained temeratures below 255deg F among other things.

    2. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you mind posting a pic of the wheel that you have engineered that would do better? thanks. Make sure to consider launch weight, and sustained temeratures below 255deg F among other things.

      What are temeratures? I'd just use a wheel design from a previous rover and improve upon its design.

      http://www.chartgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/mars-rovers-wheels.jpg

    3. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by ColaMan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ultra low temperature silicon rubber springs to mind.

      Could have bonded a couple of millimetres thickness onto each alloy wheel. It seems the wheels only break when they have no cushioning underneath them, then the point loads on the tread are too high.

      Oh well, I guess they'll know for next time :-)

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    4. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by N1AK · · Score: 5, Informative

      The first time when I saw the wheels I was wondering why the hell they spend so much money to send up a robot to Mars and then equip that thing with such flimsy wheels

      In short: Because they aren't idiots and know enough about this field to make informed comment. The rover has reached its planned mission life, everything beyond this is a bonus. The wheels survived and will likely, with proper management, last considerably longer still. It's a great success.

      Your comment on the other hand is a great example of how people who are ignorant on a field automatically assume it must be simple and that they have some valuable insight. You know when you hear people who don't have a clue say something stupid about something you know a lot about? That's you when you comment on wheels for vehicles travelling on other planets (unless you'd like to point out what makes you remotely credible in this field).

    5. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first time when I saw the wheels I was wondering why the hell they spend so much money to send up a robot to Mars and then equip that thing with such flimsy wheels

      Sure you did, and I bet you also knew everything NSA was doing before the Snowden revelations.

    6. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      No doubt you are too young to remember TIA or Echelon but yes, yes we did, actually. Snowdens leaks were surprising in their detail, not in their scale.

    7. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by andydread · · Score: 1

      Yes and how does that stand up to the onslaught of UV rays on mars? its not that simple.

    8. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by ColaMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Did you care to read the link, which said things such as excellent resistance to UV and cosmic radiation?

      Anyhoo, I guess it's an iterative process. Better wheels on the next one please guys.

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    9. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pic of the wheel ...

      http://www.garrettbelmont.com/...

      The first time when I saw the wheels I was wondering why the hell they spend so much money to send up a robot to Mars and then equip that thing with such flimsy wheels

      And I did post question here on /, and there were people (NASA fanbois, perhaps) defending those flimsy wheels

      Ironically, that "flimsy" wheel is likely far stronger than the wheels you trust to push you down the road at 70MPH every single day.

      From the sounds of it, the wheels are not the issue. Scientists have been driving cars on Earth for quite a long time now. They don't ever buy new ones? Ever? All of them ride around all day with no spare tire? Seems to me the biggest oversight here was NOT packing an extra set.

      Then again, we never expected them to last this long.

    10. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The wheels appear flimsy because they are designed to act as a major part of the suspension. A bulkier wheel would not do so and thus require a much more complex separate suspension system involving springs etc, which would have made the lander too heavy and raised its centre of gravity higher making overturning more likely.

    11. Re: Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ironically, that "flimsy" wheel is likely far stronger than the wheels you trust to push you down the road at 70MPH every single day.

      What makes you think I drive?

    12. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It lasted 2 years on mars, I think it did its job.

    13. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The details are the beef. It's not much if you only have a good guess at which scale NSA is operating.

    14. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully they will see their error and put you in charge next time.

    15. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish I could remember what it was I was watching, but I saw some show (on the science channel, I think) talking about how they designed different extra-terrestrial vehicles and the R&D that went into it. Many designs failed for so many reason...tendency to get stuck, or be unable to climb, or too much weight, or susceptible to damage from abrasive dust particle or extreme temperatures, etc.

    16. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by gsslay · · Score: 4, Funny

      All of them ride around all day with no spare tire? Seems to me the biggest oversight here was NOT packing an extra set.

      And a mechanic to change the wheel is just a phone call away because NAS had the foresight to take out full MAA (Mars Automobile Association) membership. They'll even tow it back home!

    17. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Exactly. Without knowing all the design constraints the engineers were juggling, we can't judge the design too much. Since it already surpassed its original 2-year mission, one would safely assume they hadn't tested the wheel beyond that and these problems would not have shown themselves.

    18. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Squidlips · · Score: 0

      Only someone with no brain would post that.

    19. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they were 3D printed and thus impervious to criticism?

    20. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by rasmusbr · · Score: 3

      TFA says adding 1 mm of aluminium to the wheels would have added too much weight to the wheels. Silicon rubber is about half as dense as aluminium, so a couple of millimeters of that would also have been too heavy.

      There are probably lots of other ways to improve durability, like for instance by making the chevrons on the wheels slightly less pointy.

    21. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "The rover has reached its planned mission life, everything beyond this is a bonus."

      I agree with the rest of your post, but this part is tricky to evaluate. From an engineering point of view, yes, it met that goal. The rover landed with a brand new technique, persisted over the duration of the primary mission, drove that whole time, did plenty of analyses along the way, and figured out some great science. However, the primary target of the mission was not the floor of Gale Crater, it was to study the stratigraphy of Mount Sharpe, the mountain in the middle of the crater. The rover is not there yet, in part because it's had to drive more slowly because of the wheel damage issue. It's going to be several more months before it gets there. While it's true that in some sense everything beyond this point can be considered a "bonus", in another sense the mission won't be complete until it gets to the place where it can finally study the rocks that were the primary scientific reason this site was chosen over the other candidates. People were always concerned about how far the rover had to drive out of the landing ellipse area to get to that target. It's turned out to be more difficult than expected.

      Don't get me wrong. It's a great and successful mission even if the rover died tomorrow. It was fortunate that there were good outcrops inside the ellipse already (that was hoped/planned when it was chosen), and what's been done already has made the mission worthwhile; but it's kind of like going to a fantastic and quite expensive restaurant, enjoying the appetizers thoroughly, and then getting a little impatient waiting for the main course to start. Now that the problem has been evaluated it looks like the rover will get there, but if it doesn't, it will be a significant disappointment.

    22. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like a petulant 12 year old. One can criticize a bad idea without having engineered a full replacement.

    23. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by N1AK · · Score: 1

      However, the primary target of the mission was not the floor of Gale Crater, it was to study the stratigraphy of Mount Sharpe, the mountain in the middle of the crater.

      I don't believe that was the primary purpose of the mission. Curiosity had clear scientific objectives and MEP has clear goals, none of which include reaching a specific location. It may well be the case that the team intended to go to Mount Sharpe in order to complete its scientific missions, but it has been able to achieve it without going there.

      To slightly correct your analogy: It's like wanting to go out for excellent food, discovering the tube station near the restaurant you had selected due to its reputation is closed and deciding to instead go to another equally great restaurant that is near an open station instead.

    24. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The temperatures at the landing site can vary from 127 to 40 C. So if you look at the spec you linked, it's outside the range.

      It's almost like the engineers are aware of this sort of thing when they designed it..

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    25. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by geekoid · · Score: 1

      /. stripped the minus sign. 'minus 127' to 'positive 40' C

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    26. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by geekoid · · Score: 2

      The reference for the wheel design is the specifications to meet it's goals.

      So, by an actual good measure, the wheel design is a good one. How can something that exceeded it's goals be considered flimsy?

      If you bought 50,000 mile tires for you car, and they lasted 75,000 miles would you call them flimsy?

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    27. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you even read the link? It claims to be resistant to exactly that..

      So whos the dumb fuck now huh?

    28. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      Pic of the wheel ...

      http://www.garrettbelmont.com/...

      The first time when I saw the wheels I was wondering why the hell they spend so much money to send up a robot to Mars and then equip that thing with such flimsy wheels

      And I did post question here on /, and there were people (NASA fanbois, perhaps) defending those flimsy wheels

      Obviously the engineers designing the wheels had just come off a Livin' The Low Life marathon and felt inspired.

    29. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What it means is that all the rumors about the intelligence agencies which have been circulating for decades, turned out to be
      TRUE.
      Few people expected this, except for the paranoid conspiracy "nuts" which have been trying to tell you this shit for years.

    30. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Ultra low temperature silicon rubber springs to mind.

      Even Wikipedia would have let you know that this is inadequate for the range of temperatures found on Mars.

      Oh well, I guess they'll know for next time :-)

      Right back atcha

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    31. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still you. That silicon can't survive the -127C to 40C temperatures on Mars.

    32. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The landing site was chosen because it allowed it to fulfil its primary mission AND had a more interesting secondary mission than other landing sites. The mountain was not the primary mission. The primary mission is long since complete. Please don't re-write history.

    33. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Squidlips · · Score: 1

      There are management problems at NASA (i.e. too oriented toward manned spaceflight), but not at JPL that built and runs the rover. I just love you hindsight jocks with zero engineering knowledge of the project.

    34. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

      Would you mind posting a pic of the wheel that you have engineered that would do better? thanks. Make sure to consider launch weight, and sustained temeratures below 255deg F among other things.

      http://www.harborfreight.com/1...

    35. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by marcello_dl · · Score: 2

      >> "The rover has reached its planned mission life, everything beyond this is a bonus."
      > I agree with the rest of your post, but this part is tricky to evaluate.

      This says "mission accomplished".

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    36. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      They should have at least made a curved tread pattern. Those points of the chevrons are huge stress risers which makes fatigue fracture much more likely.

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    37. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Dishevel · · Score: 1
      Might be outside the range of its excellent low temperature performance.

      I would think that it would last a quite a while and offer some flexibility still at 11C under that temp.

      The flexibility that is left would likely be more than enough to mitigate damage to the wheels.

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    38. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Uh... yeah. How about 40 years ago?

      Granted, those wheels were not exposed to as much rock, but they drove 2 passengers much farther than Curiosity has gone, at a far higher rate of speed. The astronauts even hotdogged it a little bit. No damage whatever.

      GP was correct: it was a questionable design decision from the beginning. Somebody made a bad choice.

    39. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by klui · · Score: 1

      > unless you'd like to point out what makes you remotely credible in this field

      slashdotter with low id number.

    40. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by andydread · · Score: 1

      well you said it. they were not exposed to much rock so that does not count.

    41. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I don't think the UV and radiation is as much a factor as the huge temperature swings. Every silicon rubber I've seen can't handle going from cold to hot to cold repeatedly without breaking down. It could be somewhere between -150C to 20C depending on the location.

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    42. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by fisted · · Score: 1

      Pic of the wheel ...

      http://www.garrettbelmont.com/...

      ...

      Let me FTFY:
      Pic of the wheel...

      Wasn't that hard, was it?

    43. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Well mission parameters for the Mars wheel would have mostly likely been as light and thin and wide as possible. Light and thin so that it would fit the weight and space requirements. Wide so that it could traverse the sandy, dune like conditions.

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    44. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both of you, GP for simply being a dumb fuck; you for not knowing how to spell "who's".

    45. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by fisted · · Score: 1

      ASCII -- Do you do it?

    46. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Do your surfaces go from -150C to 20C in a single day? I would bet that your tires would not last long under those conditions. Mars conditions are not Earth conditions.

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    47. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Gnomaana · · Score: 2

      Are you sure "excellent" for use on Earth where maintenance can be done equals "excellent" for use on Mars where they can never be touched again? Also, what, if anything, would that layer of silicon do to the traction of the wheels? I'm guessing those "point loads" you mentioned are there for a reason.

    48. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because obviously the Engineers at NASA never thought of that, as they are so utterly dumb and patheticly stupid they couldnt even put a 1 ton rover on another planet.....oh wait.

    49. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by r_jensen11 · · Score: 1

      Pic of the wheel ...

      http://www.garrettbelmont.com/...

      The first time when I saw the wheels I was wondering why the hell they spend so much money to send up a robot to Mars and then equip that thing with such flimsy wheels

      And I did post question here on /, and there were people (NASA fanbois, perhaps) defending those flimsy wheels

      I wish the wheels on my daily driver would last as many years without servicing as Curiosity's have.

    50. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess it depends upon what you mean by the "primary purpose". Curiosity has met many, if not practically all, of it's primary goals within the landing ellipse, and it has traversed out of it. All of that was hoped to be achieved in the nominal mission lasting 1 Mars year (~2 Earth years), duration-wise. The thing is, what the selection process referred to as "go to" targets were also considered outside of the landing ellipse and factored into the final choice of the landing site. In Gale's case, the biggest "go to" target was the slope of Mount Sharp/Aeolis Mons. There's some cool-looking stratigraphy on those slopes, and that was one of the siren calls drawing scientists to chose Gale over the others. Some of those outside-the-ellipse "go to" targets have just been reached to date, in the outcrops on Gale crater's floor where bedrock is exposed, but the big one, the slope itself, is still not reached. It will happen within the longer mission, assuming it keeps going at the present rate. That's the good news from the wheel assessment. It will be slower going, but they think they will get there. But until then I still think that one of the primary reasons for visiting this site has not been met.

      I like your emendment to the analogy, or maybe we can argue about whether the slope constitutes the main course or the dessert ("bonus"?), I suppose. Whatever the analogy chosen, the advocates for the Gale site always talked about the idea of following the stratigraphy and the changes in it up the sides of that peak that are detectable remotely (e.g., the apparent transition from clays to sulphates). If the mission doesn't actually get there in the end, I still argue that would be a significant disappointment. The lure was that a HUGE amount of stratigraphy was exposed and accessible compared to other sites where the exposure was much thinner.

      Tons more on the selection process if people are interested. Unfortunately that article is behind a paywall, but if you search for "MSL site selection" you'll find plenty of other materials, including this one.

    51. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe I'm picking my words badly. The primary mission is done. It was successful. If the rover dies tomorrow, it still is. But even if the slopes were a secondary goal/target outside the scope of the primary mission, it was a big reason for picking this site over the others and it would be a disappointment if it's not reached. How about that? Thankfully, it doesn't look like the wheel issue will prevent that too (the good news).

    52. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "As much" rock. There certainly were rocks. And remember, it went much farther, faster, than Curiosity. Under otherwise harsher conditions: much hotter sometimes, much colder sometimes. The Mars atmosphere may be thin, but at least there is one.

    53. Re:Someone with no brain is running NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One does not personally have to do better in order to criticise something, only know that it could be done better.

      I see from your posting history that you criticise everything from politicians to technology. So by your logic, you need to show us how you have been a better politician or have created better technology.

  11. Material selection by Antony+T+Curtis · · Score: 1

    I am guessing that part of the reason for an all-metal milled wheel is because of the (largely) unshielded RTG power source which Curiosity uses may seriously degrade organic-based materials.

    Could someone with more knowledge of materials near RTG sources comment?

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    1. Re:Material selection by animaal · · Score: 1

      I've heard that rubber, being organic, wouldn't be allowed as a raw material for the wheels - it might interfere with the tests to find organic materials on Mars. But maybe degradation is also a factor.

    2. Re:Material selection by necro81 · · Score: 2

      Curiosity's RTG, like most that came before it, is powered with Plutonium-238. Pu-238 is an alpha-particle emitter, meaning that the radiation is easily blocked by most solid objects (as opposed to, say, gamma or neutron radiation, which require significant shielding). The radiation levels that leave the RTG housing would, I expect, be non-significant compared to the ambient radiation on the surface of Mars.

      UV radiation would be a bigger problem as far as plastics are concerned.

  12. Any direction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...how they can mitigate it going forward", and presumably backwards too!

  13. The Martians are making a dent by PsyMan · · Score: 2

    The thousands of microscopic missiles launched at the rover to stop it anhialating more of their tiny cities is finally paying off. If one of them only had an old macbook and some way of getting to its core....

  14. Poor material choice by Solandri · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Aluminum does not have a fatigue limit. That is, no matter how beefy you make an aluminum part, after enough cyclic stresses it will suffer fatigue failure. This is why airframes are retired after about 100,000 pressurization cycles - to avoid the fate which befell the de Havilland Comet.

    Other materials like steel or titanium can be designed so it can withstand an infinite number of stress cycles and not fatigue. Given the nature of the mission and power source (multi-year if not multi-decade operation on another planet with no hope of human intervention if something should go wrong), they really should have allocated sufficient weight budget for non-aluminum wheels. This is basic materials science that every undergrad mechanical engineer learns. I was very surprised when I heard they were going with thin aluminum wheels on this rover.

    1. Re:Poor material choice by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But the wheels aren't failing. The skin on the wheels is failing but the wheels will work fine with structure alone.

    2. Re:Poor material choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until a rock that is shaped just right with enough weight behind it gets wedged into one of those holes....

      What sort of hp/torque does that thing get?

    3. Re:Poor material choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was very surprised when I heard they were going with thin aluminium wheels on this rover.

      But remember the design specification was 3 months not 10 years. Aluminium has far exceeded the design parameters. It was never intended to be "multi-year".

      Steel would be more launch weight. Titanium would be more expensive. Aluminium therefore was a reasonable choice.

      In addition the design is for the wheels to deform in order to act as part of the suspension, to remove the need for a much larger suspension system. Other materials might not have performed as well in that area.

    4. Re:Poor material choice by Ly4 · · Score: 4, Informative

      they really should have allocated sufficient weight budget for non-aluminum wheels.

      In the FA, it notes that the weight of the wheels isn't a stand-alone issue. During the landing, any extra wheel weight would significantly stress the bogies and rockers that hold the wheels, so you'd need much more strength (and weight) there.

      The article also notes that they made their decisions based on the surfaces they expected; they found many more 'strongly cemented vertical rocks' than they planned for.

    5. Re:Poor material choice by Kjella · · Score: 1

      But the wheels aren't failing. The skin on the wheels is failing but the wheels will work fine with structure alone.

      If that is true, why do the wheels need skin in the first place? I doubt anything on that mission is there for decoration...

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    6. Re:Poor material choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not true, actually it is now known there is no such thing as a endurance limit in reality. Eventually everything fatigues under cyclic loading, at any level of stress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatigue_limit). It might be a very large number of cyles, but it will fatigue.

    7. Re:Poor material choice by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

      +Mod points if I had them. I think we were talking about this the second semester of my freshman year. Stress vs. strain and all that.

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    8. Re:Poor material choice by bgarcia · · Score: 2

      As explained in the article, the skin is useful for travelling over a sandy surface.

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    9. Re:Poor material choice by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      Even though the mission was originally set to last just 90 days?

      I spent my first few years as an undgrad studying aerospace engineering. You don't build a lander to survive a trip to Pluto if your mission is the moon.

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    10. Re:Poor material choice by SpzToid · · Score: 1

      Another more recent example of airframe stress was Aloha Airlines flight 243; most, but not all people survived.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    11. Re:Poor material choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is basic materials science that every undergrad mechanical engineer learns.

      And that statement is the kind of arrogant second-guessing that usually comes from undergrad engineers. Real engineers know that you're making tradeoffs with every decision.

      I'm sure the team would make a different set of choices and tradeoffs with what they know now. I'm also pretty sure that the current choice wasn't made because they lacked undergrad-level knowledge of material science.

    12. Re:Poor material choice by torsmo · · Score: 2

      But remember the design specification was 3 months not 10 years

      Curiosoty mission was designed to last a whole Martian year, or 23 Earth months. So it was intended to be "multi-year"

      http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/m...

    13. Re:Poor material choice by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

      ...no matter how beefy you make an aluminum part, after enough cyclic stresses it will suffer fatigue failure.

      You realize that chart has a log scale, right? It is not a matter of designing for infinite life, it is a matter of designing for "infinite enough". This is how they make aluminum engine blocks and heads. Sure it will fail in fatigue eventually. But after 50 years or so, it is time to replace the dern thing anyway. In other words, fatigue strength is just one more variable to design around. Even if the part was made from titanium or steel, they still might make the decision to not design for "infinite" life due to other overriding design considerations. Weight, for example.

      The concern with the wheel design was not fatigue itself, but rather a higher peak load during the fatigue cycle. The wheels were not designed for the type of terrain they landed on. More bad luck than bad planning because the type of terrain they landed on had not been observed on Mars before.

      In my experience, it is very difficult to successfully design for conditions that have never been observed before.

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    14. Re:Poor material choice by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      Given the nature of the mission and power source (multi-year if not multi-decade operation on another planet with no hope of human intervention if something should go wrong)

      Curiosity was intended to last two years, it's been going for almost three. It wasn't intended to last this long, and it definitely wasn't intended to operate for decades.

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    15. Re:Poor material choice by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Slight correction. The reason the de Haviland Comet's fuselage failed was because of the square windows concentrating stressors at the corners created a series of weak areas all along the fuselage. You will notice that any aluminum aircraft or boat has somewhat rounded corners on windows.

      Take that Apple!

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    16. Re:Poor material choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Titanium would be more expensive.

      The budget here was weight, weight, and weight. They probably had single meetings to discuss the weight of the wheels that cost more than the delta between aluminum and titanium. Heck, they could've afforded to have the wheels gold-plated if it would've helped.

      The material costs here are, well, immaterial (pun intended).

    17. Re:Poor material choice by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      But the wheels aren't failing. The skin on the wheels is failing but the wheels will work fine with structure alone.

      Not exactly. The bent skin can potentially rub against cables, sawing them up, goofing up wheel control and other parts of the electrical system. Plus, they may start sinking in sand without skin. Sand was a big problem for earlier rovers.

    18. Re:Poor material choice by mirix · · Score: 1

      Only modern, pressurized aircraft. Cave tech like the DC-3 are made of aluminium, have square windows, and have no problems. Even ones that have been flying for 70 years.

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    19. Re:Poor material choice by replicacobra · · Score: 1

      It has a frickin' laser on an articulated arm.That's a half hour, from problem presenting itself, to NASA telling it what to do, to Curiosity going about its merry business.

  15. Time to Analyse ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish I had the time to analyze wheel design. Why don't some of you submit to Nasa? Like those Apple analysts (but who actually get paid) reality differs from theory...

  16. I need new tires? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I should have gone with the Michelins

  17. Correct material choice by oneiros27 · · Score: 2, Informative

    My thought exactly ...

    "Oh, no! The item we built is starting to fail after it's had 40 times the planned usage!"

    That's not a poor design choice ... that's a *fantastic* problem to be having.

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  18. To all you highsight experts: RTFM! by Squidlips · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To all you idiots who think you could have done do a better job, read Emily's article. There were serious weight constraints for the wheels that effected everything from EDL to operations. Any huge engineering project is full of tradeoffs. Hindsight is 20/20.

    1. Re:To all you highsight experts: RTFM! by Extreme_biker0 · · Score: 1

      ...effected everything from EDL to operations...

      To save anyone else needing to look it up, EDL is Entry, Descent and Landing. Not the right-wing nutters that originally sprang to mind.

    2. Re:To all you highsight experts: RTFM! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know the EDLs economic policies, or if they even have any, but I would take a stab in the dark and say that they're probably left wing - groups like that tend to be.

      Right wing doesn't mean 'mean and nasty'.

    3. Re:To all you highsight experts: RTFM! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      The Rover didn't have any wings at all, you insensitive clod.

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    4. Re:To all you highsight experts: RTFM! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, sacrifice the capability of the rover to reduce the amount of fuel needed for launch, to satisfy the EPA's strict emission limits for space vehicle launches (probably the absolute limit that no space vehicle may cause more than 12 lbs of NOx gases to be emitted or created as a byproduct of combustion).

  19. Simple answer... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Launch and land a "pep boys" on mars...

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  20. Re:point loads on the tread are too high by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

    The biggest problem is the curvature of the wheels is concentrating all of the weight of the vehicle on the center of the wheel, and not only that, but with the tread design, all the force is concentrated on a spot about 2 square millimeters. They just need to add a rib going down the middle like bicycle tires.

  21. Exceeded Design Life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love how the retards are bitching because the probe that got launched to Mars is starting to have problems after exceeding the design life.

    1. Re:Exceeded Design Life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      yeah, too bad they didn't find the problem BEFORE the warranty ran out!

  22. "We'll just re-flash it" by Smerta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As an embedded systems (electronics/firmware) engineer, I was going to half-jokingly, half-seriously say, "Well, we'll just send a new firmware update to Curiosity to help with the problem." And then of course as I read the article, that was one of the proposed mitigations:

    Changing driving software to reduce the forces experienced by wheels hanging up on pointy rocks. <snip> The rover can sense wheel currents, so it can sense when a wheel is sticking. <snip> By implementing a "smart controller" on the wheel current and allowing wheel rotation rates to vary intelligently in response to sensed conditions, they might be able to mitigate the damage.

    I've been developing embedded systems for more than half my life, and I never get bored...

    1. Re:"We'll just re-flash it" by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      Off-topic: Are you or your employer hiring in the NY/NJ area?

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  23. Its a software issue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FTFA:

    [...] It turns out that there are mechanical aspects of the mobility system that actively shove the wheels into pointy rocks. A wheel can resist the force of one-sixth of the rover's weight pressing down on a pointy rock, but it can't resist the rover's weight plus the force imparted by five other wheels shoving the sixth wheel into a pointy rock. The forces are worse for the middle and front wheels than they are for the rear wheels

    [...] If the pointy rock can move, all that pushing force behind it will just shift the pointy rock to one side or another, or it can roll beneath the wheel, and the wheel will get over it without damage. The key to wheel punctures is immobile pointy rocks. If the pointy rock is stuck in place, partially buried, or if it is a pointy bit of intact bedrock, then there's nowhere for it to go

    [...] the software requires all six wheels to rotate at a constant rate, even though a wheel climbing an obstacle has a longer path to travel than one traversing flat ground. By implementing a "smart controller" on the wheel current and allowing wheel rotation rates to vary intelligently in response to sensed conditions, they might be able to mitigate the damage.

  24. Curiosity: Lot of resources spent for nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much more of the same do they have to search for any way? Spend the next zillion dollars in resources discovering new energy sources for our dying planet. Please.

  25. vulcanized rubber by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rubbers of vulcan perhaps matrixed with metallics or silicone nodules might last for many moons, however.

  26. Simple... by Last_Available_Usern · · Score: 2

    I don't get what's so hard. Just have Jebidiah Kerman exit the rover and fix the wheel.

  27. two words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Beryllium Copper

  28. good old... by Mr_Nitro · · Score: 1

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A... I wonder why none thought of those...they look much sturdier and if that mesh fails it will be in spots only... plus with 50years later materials.... look to me they could have done a maybe better job....

    1. Re:good old... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Mesh might not do well in sand because sand particles get inside the wheel easily. Keep in mind they are driving up a slope.

  29. What about the future? by antdude · · Score: 1

    What is being done to improve future wheels on rovers and others?

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  30. Exploration is supposed to have surprises by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    More bad luck than bad planning because the type of terrain they landed on had not been observed on Mars before.

    It's not "bad luck", it's why you explore. If you send out a scout to the east, and he comes back with an arrow in his back, bummer for the scout, but at least you now know the east is dangerous before sending the rest of the troops to the east.

    Better we find out about stiff rocks now instead of when humans are driving a rover there, without AAA.

    Note this rover is better able to handle sand based on lessons from the last rovers.