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BBC and FACT Shut Down Doctor Who Fansite

An anonymous reader writes with this report from Torrentfreak, excerpting: In just a few hours time the brand new season of Doctor Who will premiere, kicking off with the first episode 'Deep Breath'. There's been a huge build up in the media, but for fans who prefer to socialize and obtain news via a dedicated community, today brings bad news. Doctor Who Media (DWM) was a site created in 2010 and during the ensuing four and a half years it amassed around 25,000 dedicated members. A source close to the site told TF that since nothing like it existed officially, DWM's core focus was to provide a central location and community for everything in the 'Whoniverse,' from reconstructions of missing episodes to the latest episodes, and whatever lay between. But yesterday, following a visit by representatives from the BBC and Federation Against Copyright Theft, the site's operator took the decision to shut down the site for good.

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  1. Boo Who! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Boo Who!

    1. Re:Boo Who! by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      no no, they were saying boo-urns, boo-urns

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  2. So much for fair use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Title says it all.

    1. Re:So much for fair use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The UK has no fair use provision in it's copyright law.

    2. Re:So much for fair use by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes it does. It's called fair dealing. But it doesn't allow you to offer complete episodes of a TV show.

    3. Re:So much for fair use by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Even if it did, the "fair use" arguement is always a gamble. There's a good chance you'll lose, even if you think it's clearly fair use, because there's not good definition of what it means, so the judge has to decide how he feels.

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    4. Re:So much for fair use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fair Dealing is like fair use, but much more restrictive.

    5. Re:So much for fair use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That possessive pronoun has no provision for an apostrophe.

    6. Re:So much for fair use by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

      Understanding fair use

      The UK does have 'Fair Use', but the rules are vague and generally not as good as the US's more legally fleshed out rules.

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    7. Re:So much for fair use by BitterOak · · Score: 1

      Fair Dealing is like fair use, but much more restrictive.

      Maybe so, but even under the US Fair Use doctrine, I don't think you can offer full episodes of a TV show without permission of the copyright holder.

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    8. Re:So much for fair use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't mean that, I just meant generally.

    9. Re:So much for fair use by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      Which is sad, because the US could do a lot better.

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    10. Re:So much for fair use by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      US's more legally fleshed out rules.

      Time to read Fairest of them all and other fairy tales of fair use?

      They may seem fleshed out, but prevailing on the rules can be a bit of crapshoot.

    11. Re:So much for fair use by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      The website in question did not offer episodes - and banned links to downloads of such files.

      This was _strictly_ a fan discussion site.

      Repeating to emphasise the point: The fansite did _not_ carry episodes or links to downloads of them.

      This shutdown is going to bounce horribly in the face of the BBC - and it's studiously avoiding any mention of the issue on its news site. Surprise surprise.

    12. Re:So much for fair use by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Maybe so, but even under the US Fair Use doctrine

      Irrelevant. The BBC is not governed by American law. (Hint : look at what the first "B" stands for.)

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  3. Don't worry by Chelloveck · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't worry, I'm sure it will regenerate soon enough.

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    1. Re:Don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Running it on .I2P and Tor's .onion would have avoided this problem.

    2. Re:Don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It would have also avoided most of its audience.

  4. This copywrite shit is getting pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now you can't even organize a group to talk about something that interests you, if you dont own the rights to the topic of discussion!?

    1. Re:This copywrite shit is getting pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "The purpose of the site was not to let fans discuss their favourite episodes, it was to store and distribute copyrighted material without licence. This is precisely what copyright laws were designed to tackle. This isn't news, this isn't relevant to any serious discussion about copyright reform, this is the system working as intended."

      You are completely full of shit and I would like to know why you feel it is okay to come in here and just lie? They did not "store and distribute copyrighted material without licence".

    2. Re:This copywrite shit is getting pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      How would one reconstruct missing episodes without storing and distributing video of those missing episodes?

    3. Re:This copywrite shit is getting pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If they're 'missing' it implies the "video" (actually it would be film) isn't available.

    4. Re:This copywrite shit is getting pathetic by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      "The purpose of the site was not to let fans discuss their favourite episodes, it was to store and distribute copyrighted material without licence. This is precisely what copyright laws were designed to tackle. This isn't news, this isn't relevant to any serious discussion about copyright reform, this is the system working as intended."

      You are completely full of shit and I would like to know why you feel it is okay to come in here and just lie? They did not "store and distribute copyrighted material without licence".

      I'm going to hazard a guess that they were hosting links to torrent files of the episodes. Which should be legal but for some insane reason isn't.

    5. Re:This copywrite shit is getting pathetic by malacandrian · · Score: 2

      "The purpose of the site was not to let fans discuss their favourite episodes, it was to store and distribute copyrighted material without licence. This is precisely what copyright laws were designed to tackle. This isn't news, this isn't relevant to any serious discussion about copyright reform, this is the system working as intended."

      You are completely full of shit and I would like to know why you feel it is okay to come in here and just lie? They did not "store and distribute copyrighted material without licence".

      I'm going to hazard a guess that they were hosting links to torrent files of the episodes. Which should be legal but for some insane reason isn't.

      In response to the announcement on their Facebook users are lamenting that they can no longer use the site to stream full episodes of both new and classic Who. Clearly the site must have offered streams of full episodes for the users to be upset that they aren't there anymore.

    6. Re:This copywrite shit is getting pathetic by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The methods I've seen have been mostly "slideshows" with audio tracks, and very rarely, someone recreating the video in an animated form.

    7. Re:This copywrite shit is getting pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The audio and slideshow pictures are still copyrighted.

    8. Re:This copywrite shit is getting pathetic by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      I wasn't speaking about the copyright issue. The question was "how were they reconstructed without the video?"

    9. Re:This copywrite shit is getting pathetic by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Are you sure you weren't just watching YouTube with the HTML5 renderer?

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  5. Not sure about an older Doctor Who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But we'll have to see if he can pull this off. Wouldn't it be cool if Doctor Who teamed up with Sherlock on a future episode?

    1. Re:Not sure about an older Doctor Who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      crossover episodes are always terrible just enjoy them separately and don't encourage them ruining both a little

    2. Re:Not sure about an older Doctor Who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you. The Magnum P.I. / Murder She Wrote crossover was awesome!

    3. Re:Not sure about an older Doctor Who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you trying to get slashdot taken down? Stop talking about Dr. Who! BBC doesn't want word of mouth advertising for their shows.

    4. Re:Not sure about an older Doctor Who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure BBC would do it in a tasteful way, unlike the crapisodes on the other networks.

    5. Re:Not sure about an older Doctor Who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funnily enough I didn't really like that crossover.

      Murder, She Wrote is fucking awesome, though.

    6. Re:Not sure about an older Doctor Who by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not to mention the fantastic Dune/Star Trek crossover. The best scenes are where Nurse Chapel seduces Baron Harkonnen (and much hilarity ensues) and Paul Atreided and Captain Kirk compare whether the Weirding way or the monkey kick are more effective. Best catchphrase "dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a Bene Tleilax facedancer."

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    7. Re:Not sure about an older Doctor Who by Phrogman · · Score: 1

      I think there was a Magnum P.I./Simon & Simon cross over episode that was pretty good too.

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  6. Daleks did it? by slickepott · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hmm.. Sounded something like this?

    EX-TER-MI-NATE!

    1. Re:Daleks did it? by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      Just run!

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    2. Re:Daleks did it? by AchilleTalon · · Score: 2

      Apparently is more like: Dr No vs Dr Who.

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    3. Re:Daleks did it? by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      I can just imagine the Daleks trundling into the office screaming "D-C-M-A!"

  7. Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    FACT was involved, so my first guess was that they were hosting full episodes, or perhaps links to torrents, but according to TFA DWM had refused to carry any of the leaked episodes from the new series which seems unlikely for a site turning a blind eye to copyright, yet further up is the following quote: "Often times, having watched stuff there led to me purchasing the exact same content on iTunes as well as all the various other content available for Doctor Who", which implies they were hosting episodes, or at least extensive clips.

    So, is this a case of major fansite being shutdown for using a more copyrighted material than the BBC was prepared to stomach (in which case where was the friendly letter asking them to "tone it down a bit, please"), a copyright infringement portal being shuttered for hosting/linking to aired episodes and other content, some kind of trademark issue, or just a domain grab by the BBC ("doctorwhomedia.co.uk" is a fairly nice domain name, afterall)?

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    1. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Informative

      They were hosting full episodes. If the guy had taken them down, the forum could have gone on, but people mostly went there for the episodes, so that would have killed the site.

      Also, 25000 users is "huge"?

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    2. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thank you for giving more information.

      Hey Slashdot Editors and posters. Information like this would have been nice to know in the summary. Otherwise it make it sounds like a fan site was shut down for having information about a show.

      Get your fucking act together and stop trying to feed into FUD.

    3. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by 7bit · · Score: 1

      They were hosting full episodes. If the guy had taken them down, the forum could have gone on, but people mostly went there for the episodes, so that would have killed the site.

      Also, 25000 users is "huge"?

      I am a little confused; Isn't all material on the BBC public property in Britain since it's paid for with taxes?

    4. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on when the episodes were from.

      Early TV broadcasts (telerecordings) aren't subjected to copyright iirc (despite not being public domain) and even if the BBC still owns them. (E.g. Hancock's Half Hour)

      However, this is only up to a certain date, but I don't remember what it is.

    5. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No. It doesn't work like that.

      The BBC itself is publicly owned, so in that sense, it is public property, but we don't have the right to individual assets any more than a shareholder in Sony can start making copies of Spiderman DVDs.

      Also it's paid for by a licence fee rather than taxes. You can call them taxes if you like, but it doesn't go into or come out of central taxation.

    6. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For redistribution and (i would guess) export?

    7. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      You are ignoring the fact that it was UK tax-payers money that paid for everything Dr Who so it is a complete piss take that we don't have access to this for free.

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    8. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's after 50 calendar years. So the very first Doctor Who serial from 1963 and a couple episodes of the second (The Daleks) serial are public domain, and at the end of this year all the episodes from 1964 will be public domain.
      I think this fact of inevitability losing control of Doctor Who scared the BBC into this action.

    9. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by malacandrian · · Score: 2

      Thank you for giving more information.

      Hey Slashdot Editors and posters. Information like this would have been nice to know in the summary. Otherwise it make it sounds like a fan site was shut down for having information about a show.

      Get your fucking act together and stop trying to feed into FUD.

      From the summary:

      DWM's core focus was to provide a central location and community for everything in the 'Whoniverse,' from reconstructions of missing episodes to the latest episodes, and whatever lay between.

      They do at least hint at it in the summary. That said, it's still beyond a joke that they're treating this like an outrage when it's simply the law acting like it should. How can we hope for a serious discussion about copyright reform when so many people take the childish approach of simply demanding to have exactly what they want for free all the time?

    10. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      https://web.archive.org/web/20140614075215/http://doctorwhomedia.co.uk/

      It was a nice site but it does look like they were hosting the episdoes. Which I still think is fine myself but legal and business teams usually seem to disagree.

    11. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, you see, this would now be classed as second generation content, which is content not being broadcast, so can be sold.

      See, there is a huge pickle right there in that they aren't allowed to SELL their content online, yet they are still allowed to sell DVDs and the like. What?
      Fuck the Beeb. BBC should be allowed to sell access to stuff through the iPlayer. Period. There should be a period of, say, 1-6 months where it is freely available on iPlayer, then it goes "in to the archives", available for purchase.
      This is why iPlayer was already scaled back horribly because they weren't allowed to pay for it and it was using up a lot of their finances.

    12. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Zocalo · · Score: 2

      Thanks for the clarification, I was leaning towards that being that case, but as others have noted that *really* need to be in the summary as it sets the tone of the entire story from "fan site shut down" to the far more accurate and far less newsworthy "site hosting lots of copyright infringing content shutdown". There's a big difference between the BBC exercising its rights to shutter outright copyright infringement and the BBC strong-arming a legit fan site for using too much content, and it's not that the latter gets DICE more page views and ad impressions.

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    13. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Teun · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nothing to do with taxpayers, it's licence payers that finance the Beep.

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    14. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is the difference between a TV licence payer and a taxpayer? Surely there is just a wee bit of overlap, no?

    15. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Teun · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Often, that's why comparable countries have done away with the licensing scheme and pay public broadcasters from general taxation.

      But for their own reasons the UK parliament has resisted such moves as they see the overriding importance of keeping the BBC free from political influence.

      Yet, as a Brit you can't avoid being a taxpayer but you can most certainly avoid being a licence payer.

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    16. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      BBC is supported by a tax on TV sets, not from the general fund, the legal theory being that people without TV should not have to pay for BBC. So the UK has a massive bureaucracy just to collect TV tax, including an army of special police who roam house to house with electronic-detection vans to look for TV sets that do not pay the tax.

    17. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Uh, no they dont - the detector vans have been a long running myth, they never existed.

    18. Re: Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So much a myth that the inspectors will trespass, break into gardens and peer into kids windows to prove you're watching tv illegally - YouTube is filled with vids of people arguing with them.

    19. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Threni · · Score: 1

      From somewhere or other: "You can't shut us down. The internet is about the free exchange and sale of other people's ideas. We've done nothing wrong."

    20. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by residents_parking · · Score: 1

      "... keeping the BBC free from political influence"

      Or accountability. Seriously it would be easier on my conscience if the BBC were a government department. Because being forced to pay for something you can't control which rubs its own political ideology in your face every day ...... sucks.

    21. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were hosting full episodes. If the guy had taken them down, the forum could have gone on, but people mostly went there for the episodes, so that would have killed the site.

      Also, 25000 users is "huge"?

      Well after Tennant left a lot of users probably did too.

    22. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by residents_parking · · Score: 1

      Erm they do. I'm working on an upgrade for a subsystem right now.

    23. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Uh, no they dont - the detector vans have been a long running myth, they never existed."

      True story.. They would actually hire people to go out in unmarked white vans and sit in council estates, trying to scare people into paying up.

      Disclaimer. Manager told me when I used to work there.

    24. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by residents_parking · · Score: 1

      "as a Brit you can't avoid being a taxpayer but you can most certainly avoid being a licence payer."

      If current murmurings are to be believed, the new DG wants iPlayer and all other "watch again" services to be subject to the license. IMHO that will make an Internet connection subject to the TV License.

    25. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fuck the Beeb. BBC should be allowed to sell access to stuff through the iPlayer. Period.

      It's not the BBC you should be angry at, it's the UK government and their pay master His Lord Highness Of Darkness And Ruination Rupert Murdoch.

    26. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I am a little confused; Isn't all material on the BBC public property in Britain since it's paid for with taxes?

      That's an American law. There's no such equivalent in the UK, nor I imagine in most of the rest of the world.

    27. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Copyright in the UK from 1911 to 1995 was 50 years after the death of the creator. So the works would only be entering the public domain if they all died immediately after writing the episodes.

    28. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      which rubs its own political ideology in your face every day ...... sucks.

      Yeah, the BBC's most profitable program has the most appalling political biases. Especially that Jeremy Clarkson.

      But maybe that's not what you meant. Maybe you only considered programs that you disagree with.

    29. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, I realise you are talking about the broadcast copyright, not overall copyright. That would presumably be for the 425 or 625 line version (whatever the standard was in the mid 60s) only?

    30. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      As another poster pointed out, you've got the terms of UK copyright wrong.

      More reasonably what has pushed the BBC into action is that scripts of the new series were leaked online weeks before the new series, and most of the actual episodes days before.

      This site may or may not have been among those that did it. But once the BBC had got FACT involved, any site having whole Dr Who episodes, and based within the UK was likely to get taken down.

    31. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by residents_parking · · Score: 1

      I realize Clarkson is an easy target and TBH he likes it that way.

      I'm talking about their news.

    32. Re: Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Richy_T · · Score: 1
    33. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Bullshit.

    34. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      I'm talking about their news.

      Like the business news that fills much of the BBC News channel output, especially in the morning? Or the generic political news that takes it as gospel that the the economy and growth are the most important considerations? Or Question Time that has as by far it's most frequent guest Nigel Farage of UKIP.

      What you mean is the parts of the output that you don't like. And people on the other side of the political spectrum also have problems with other parts. Balance means that there are going to be things that you don't like. And everyone else too.

      The BBC is never going to be the UK equivalent of Fox News, thankfully, so you aren't ever going to be happy with it. And that's a very good thing.

    35. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by simplypeachy · · Score: 1

      There is no special tax on television sets. There is no bureaucracy to collect any such tax nor an army of any special police. If you wish to watch or record live television as it is broadcast you are legally required to purchase a license. As I do neither, I am not required to, nor do I have, a license.

    36. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by residents_parking · · Score: 1

      Listen Basil,

      I know you have a problem with me, and that's OK.

      Now ... where to start with this abortion? You are measurably wrong on so many counts I don't need to comment.

      As for opining: if I wanted Fox News, I'd read The Guardian.

      That is all. Go figure.

    37. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      The details on your nonexistent tax:
      http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/c...
      Details on those nonexistent detector vans, with pic and history:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...

    38. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I watched the episode they leaked. Its in Black and white without special effects. The best part is the robot who is actually a man half his face painted black and those wonderful motion capture dots all over his top hat.

    39. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a non-Brit, is there any way to pay a license fee if you want to support the programming?

    40. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by grahammm · · Score: 1

      If BBC iPlayer were to have the old episodes available, rather than its usual habit of removing programmes N days after broadcast, then there would be no incentive for fan and torrent sites to 'pirate' them.

    41. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by evanism · · Score: 1

      ...and now its up to PirateBay to "host" them.

      All they have done is instantly alienate (hahaha!) 25k dedicated rabid fans.

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    42. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by vakuona · · Score: 1

      BBC original series tend to stay on iPlayer for long enough. It's the series that are not BBC original that tend to stay shortest.

    43. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Drop the bullshit please.

    44. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      If you read the Wiki article, the vans referenced were used to detect over-the-air analog TVs. No details on any such digital ttv detection.

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    45. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      It was possible back in the early days of valve sets to pick up the IF of a TV set.

      Transistorisation (and tighter emission standards) pretty much nobbled that.

      In any case the emitted levels and frequencies were so low that it was possible to show that tvs were in use in a neighbourhood, but impossible to pinpoint any particular dwelling unless it was set well away from anything else - which made ose fo them utterly impractical.

      TV detector vans never existed - a good hint is that they were _never_ used as evidence in any prosecution - _ever_. (And this is despite detection systems and triangulation being used regularly in cases of illegal radio transmissions, cordless phones and interference cases.)

      The BBC (and most other countries with tv licensing) work on the simple basis that everyone has a TV set, so those addresses without a license are liars. The method of detection consists of unlicensed civilians (employed by a debt collection agency) knocking on doors and trying to illegally force entry, as well as tresspassing to peer in windows. - several so called "inspectors" have been sucessfully prosecuted for such activities.

    46. Re:Anyone know what, exactly, was the issue? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Now ... where to start with this abortion? You are measurably wrong on so many counts I don't need to comment.

      You have no argument.

      if I wanted Fox News, I'd read The Guardian.

      Which makes no rational sense. Fox News is a very right wing tabloid like TV station. The Guardian is a mainstream left broadsheet. The closest you get to Fox News in the UK is Sky News, especially when hosted by Kay Burley. But it's far less extreme than Fox.

  8. Should have kept the domain name by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    He should have held on to the domain name. He may have been obigated to shut the site down, but nothing requires him to give the name over to them. I am not familiar with trademark law in England, but in the US they probably would have no standing at all, since they didn't enforce it over the course of the last four years. Indeed, I would expect that he can sue for damages, as they allowed hi to build a community and continue to generate interest for their product, choosing to wait until they released new episodes, choosing then and only then to try (successfully it seems) to take over the site and its community.

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    1. Re:Should have kept the domain name by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      He should have held on to the domain name. He may have been obigated to shut the site down, but nothing requires him to give the name over to them.

      It appears there was some negotiation over the shutdown and perhaps giving up the domain name was done in order to secure the user database:

      With the user database secured, an agreement was quickly reached to close down the site and transfer the domain.

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    2. Re:Should have kept the domain name by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      There is a lesson to be learned here: Don't ever, ever negotiate an agreement with two guys who show up at your door unannounced and claim that it is in your best interest to sign on the dotted line .. or else.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    3. Re:Should have kept the domain name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From TFA: "With threats of executing an official search warrant and taking the matter to court if terms could not be reached, there was never any question of embarking on a losing battle." In short, he was intimidated and had to cave in. You can fantasize about The Matrix and V for Vendetta all you like but when it comes to reality, The Man wins. Every. Single. Time. They have more power and money than Ned the Nerd can ever dream about and they will use it. All your duster and glasses dreams will melt like snow the moment you understand you won't have any future to speak of - and neither will your family - if you try to take on the corporate juggernaut. The internet - and the inexistant "rights online" - is a lost cause. Get over it.

    4. Re:Should have kept the domain name by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1
      From Planet Earth: When there is no reason to believe that a crime has been committed, you can't get a search warrant.

      " In short, he was intimidated and had to cave in. "

      In short he was intimidated and caved in, even though he didn't have to. In fact what they did is called extortion, and actually is a crime.

      --
      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    5. Re:Should have kept the domain name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      And what are you going to do, you keyboard revolutionnaire? Fight? I bet you would crap your pants and plead to have mercy on you. You would probably offer sexual favours to them.

      We don't need to hear what happened to you, okay?

    6. Re:Should have kept the domain name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what? Debt collection companies practise extortion all the time, nobody ever goes to jail. Want to know why? Because the victims know they don't have the resources to fight it out and big corporations love debt collection companies. You are alone against a financial monster that has absolutely no qualms about making an example out of you poor sod, and the rest will toe the line. No judge will show sympathy to you, ever. The future is here now: a branded, expensive shoe stomping on a human face, forever,

    7. Re:Should have kept the domain name by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      "So what? Debt collection companies practise extortion all the time, nobody ever goes to jail."

      Your statement is true, but you don't understand what it means.

      " No judge will show sympathy to you, ever."

      Which is fine, because as you said, nobody's going to jail anyway. The judge orders you to pay, if you don't owe the money you don't pay, nothing happens. End of story. (At least here in the US. I don't know if England has debtor's prison still, but strongly doubt it.)

      --
      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    8. Re:Should have kept the domain name by porges · · Score: 1

      You'd certainly think there are no debtors' prisons in the US any more, but:

      http://www.foxnews.com/politic...

      You do have to owe money to the court system, not to a private party, to get sucked into this...I think.

      [Fox New link chosen to head of skepticism of lefty-er sources.]

    9. Re:Should have kept the domain name by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Want to know why? Because the victims know they don't have the resources to fight it out and big corporations love debt collection companies.

      In the U.S., I would argue it's more because victims aren't familiar with the federal Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, and the (rather effective) remedies available to them at no cost. Debt collection companies do hinky shit all the time, but a lot of it is trivial to shut down if you're aware of what your options are instead of just taking the collector at their word.

      --
      Please stand clear of the doors, por favor mantenganse alejado de las puertas
    10. Re:Should have kept the domain name by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      There is a lesson to be learned here: Don't ever, ever negotiate an agreement with two guys who show up at your door unannounced and claim that it is in your best interest to sign on the dotted line .. or else.

      Why? The guy has escaped without punishment. It's a decent result for him. As the URL contained a UK trademark he would have been unlikley to be able to keep it anyway, even without the piracy he was engaged in.

    11. Re: Should have kept the domain name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He wasn't engaged in any piracy moron

    12. Re:Should have kept the domain name by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Which is fine, because as you said, nobody's going to jail anyway. The judge orders you to pay, if you don't owe the money you don't pay, nothing happens. End of story. (At least here in the US. I don't know if England has debtor's prison still, but strongly doubt it.)

      If it's a civil matter and you don't pay, then the baliffs come round and take away your possessions for auction. If it's a fine imposed by a judge for a criminal matter, then for sure they'll put you in prison if you don't pay.

    13. Re:Should have kept the domain name by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Are you from the UK?

      --
      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    14. Re:Should have kept the domain name by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Yes.

    15. Re:Should have kept the domain name by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Well then I'll defer to your understanding of the laws over there. It doesn't work that way in the states though.

      --
      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    16. Re:Should have kept the domain name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a lot more complicated than that.

      In England and Wales:

      Distraint is usually used only by local councils enforcing on a liability order for council tax arrears, sometimes by HMRC, and very rarely by landlords for rent for some types of tenancy. Except in the case of local councils, it's usually a threat rather than a normal practise -- in particular there are substantial risks to a private landlord in distressing a private tenant. Additionally, new rules in force since 6 April 2014 make the use of bailiffs even more dangerous for other types of creditor -- it is hard to prove that the use of bailiffs is not aggressive or harassing behaviour, and that opens up creditors to criminal prosecution.

      Now in most cases for small judgement debts in county courts, a statutory notice is served, which if ignored, leads to a bankruptcy petition being raised. A bailiff's visit is unlikely. The process is a bit more involved for very large debts.

      Mortgagees usually resort to possession proceedings, and usually evict after repossession.

      Landlords have mechanisms spelled out in the lease or tenancy agreement, subject to statute, and might bring forfeiture proceedings.

      There are various other means by which a creditor may pressure a debtor in the courts. They are almost all inherently unfair to the debtor, but as a result are also risky to the creditor thanks to Judge Roulette (in England and Wales, courts have enormous latitude to deal fairly with matters before them).

      The mechanisms for debt collection differ in Northern Ireland and Scotland. For example, bailiffs do not operate in Scotland, and sheriff's officers acting for courts cannot seize household assets (it is different for businesses).

  9. Regrets by 7bit · · Score: 2

    I suspect those in charge of the Dr Who franchise will end up wishing they could go back in time and reverse this stupid decision.. Especially once they see that the extermination order was signed by "The Master"...

    1. Re:Regrets by 7bit · · Score: 1

      I suspect those in charge of the Dr Who franchise will end up wishing they could go back in time and reverse this stupid decision.. Especially once they see that the extermination order was signed by "The Master"...

      Nevermind, if the site really was actually hosting full episodes then it really was only a matter of time before they were taken down. Though I am a little confused; Isn't all material on the BBC public property in Britain since it's paid for with taxes?

    2. Re:Regrets by SteveAstro · · Score: 1

      You'd think so wouldn't you, but no, its not, and the BBC is VERY cagey about rights management.

    3. Re:Regrets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That' part is deliberate. If they never are willing to say what is allowed, they can claim that anything is forbidden, at whatever time ant at whatever whim moves them. It's typical BBC bureaucracy. They *refuse* to actually write standards and procedures, they just follow them like little drone bees. It gives *enormous* power to middle management.

      See "Brazil" to get a good sense of how this works out. I understood the movie much, much better after a year working for the BBC.

    4. Re:Regrets by vakuona · · Score: 1

      Public property doesn't mean you get to do what ever you want with it any more than buying a few share in Microsoft would entitle you to demand the access to Windows source code.

      It is a license fee. You get a license to watch telly, not to own all the media.

  10. Here is the site by Alain+Williams · · Score: 2

    http://doctorwhomedia.co.uk/ -- however, the domain is being transferred so the content might not stay there for long. At the time of writing (23 Aug 16.45 BST) there is roughly the story above and some chats at http://doctorwhomedia.chatango.com/, and whois shows the domain still owned byJonathan Carlyle .

    No real indication why it was taken down ... talking about Dr Who cannot be a problem. Was there copyrighted material hosted ?

  11. Never seen a Dr Who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So no loss. I know there is a telephone booth involved. A red one. That is all. Am I missing out?

    1. Re: Never seen a Dr Who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's how you troll right there.

    2. Re:Never seen a Dr Who by tepples · · Score: 1

      Confusing with Bill and Ted? Someone in #nesdev last night confused Bill and Ted with Wayne's World so I can see how it might happen.

    3. Re:Never seen a Dr Who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yesterday, when all my troubles seemed so far away, I spoke with a lass and somehow I brought up Star Trek - Captain Kirk, Spock ... She knew nothing of Star Trek. Nothing at all. I had to check if there was some mark on the back of her neck. She slapped me and ran away.

    4. Re:Never seen a Dr Who by Megane · · Score: 1

      That would be the superior show Inspector Spacetime.

      --
      #naabhaprzrag, #sverubfr-000, #agi-fcbafberq, negvpyr[pynff*=' negvpyr-ary-'] { qvfcynl: abar !vzcbegnag; }
  12. Something's not right here... by mark-t · · Score: 1

    "With threats of executing an official search warrant and taking the matter to court...an agreement was quickly reached to close down the site"

    Really, if he really wasn't doing anything illegal in the first place, I can't see any reason he should have caved in on this... and this is in the UK, where it's my understanding that if you try to bring someone to court and lose, then you have to pay their costs, which I imagine exists to discourage overly subjective, baseless, or slapp-like lawsuits.

    The fact that he yielded on this suggests to me that he was aware that a search warrant would find something on his computer(s) that shouldn't have been there in the first place. It's unfortunate the site is gone, but we're not actually seeing the whole story here. Sadly, because of how things have already went, we probably never will.

    1. Re:Something's not right here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's not right here is that TorrentFreak is not giving the entire story in an attempt to garner sympathy. It was a site for watching Doctor Who episodes online without paying for them. Plain and simple.

    2. Re:Something's not right here... by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      It appears the content in question ranged from 50 to 26 years old - the oldest is out of copyright in any case.

  13. Shot themselves in the foot there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You know, occasionally I start to feel a bit guilty about pirating TV shows. So it's great when the copyright owners come along and shoot themselves in the foot like this, and remind me why I really shouldn't give a fuck. I mean, that site's users are some of the most loyal fans of your fucking show. They are the people most likely to spend money on merchandise, and to buy box-sets, and to go to show-related events. That site was doing nothing except positives for the Doctor Who show. If they wanted to exercise more control over their brand, they could have at least tried to work with the site first, or even take it over and let the same people continue to run the site under their oversight. Fuckwits.

    1. Re: Shot themselves in the foot there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Anyone sitting through an entire episode of The Sonic Screwdriver Show is a loyal viewer. If people use their own bandwidth to remain loyal they should be praised. Or sectioned.

  14. Who's ur fanbase? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Over-reaching corporations are worse than the dreaded Daleks.

  15. This copywrite shit is getting pathetic by malacandrian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now you can't even organize a group to talk about something that interests you, if you dont own the rights to the topic of discussion!?

    From the summary:

    DWM's core focus was to provide a central location and community for everything in the 'Whoniverse,' from reconstructions of missing episodes to the latest episodes, and whatever lay between.

    The purpose of the site was not to let fans discuss their favourite episodes, it was to store and distribute copyrighted material without licence. This is precisely what copyright laws were designed to tackle. This isn't news, this isn't relevant to any serious discussion about copyright reform, this is the system working as intended.

  16. Shot themselves in the foot there by malacandrian · · Score: 1, Informative

    That site was doing nothing except positives for the Doctor Who show. If they wanted to exercise more control over their brand, they could have at least tried to work with the site first, or even take it over and let the same people continue to run the site under their oversight. Fuckwits.

    From the summary:

    DWM's core focus was to provide a central location and community for everything in the 'Whoniverse,' from reconstructions of missing episodes to the latest episodes, and whatever lay between.

    The purpose of the site was not to let fans discuss their favourite episodes, it was to store and distribute copyrighted material without licence. This is precisely what copyright laws were designed to tackle. This isn't news, this isn't relevant to any serious discussion about copyright reform, this is the system working as intended.

  17. Something's not right here... by malacandrian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The fact that he yielded on this suggests to me that he was aware that a search warrant would find something on his computer(s) that shouldn't have been there in the first place. It's unfortunate the site is gone, but we're not actually seeing the whole story here. Sadly, because of how things have already went, we probably never will.

    We are seeing the whole story here, /. is just choosing not to cover it adequately. The site was hosting full episodes, which was the main reason anyone visited it. This isn't the BBC using overreaching copyright laws to leverage control over its brand, it's the BBC using the reasonable end of copyright law to protect its right to control the distribution of content.

  18. The Doctor did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's removing himself from history to get River released from prison.

  19. The FACT is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there is no such thing as copyrigt theft. You might infringe on copyright, in that case you never had the right to copy, but how could you possibly steal the right to copy something.

  20. They messed with me once too... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I did a screensaver that had the "new series" (2005 on 'Rose' one) intro as an .avi that played back from RAM & had some pretty neat/unique tech in it by embedding that .avi into the .exe as a resource, extracting it directly to RAM & playing it back... was a HUGE hit, even with the site mod (who often gave me guff).

    That "all said & aside": I offered it DIRECTLY to the BBC, no charge, & it's 'engine' was REPLACEABLE (meaning others series' of theirs could do it, since I offered the code & tech for free to them too), & FAR MORE EFFICIENT single moving part machinery done in a language that rivals & even exceeds MSVC++ in Borland Delphi 7.1 Object Pascal code.

    They told me, after seeing it, I "violated their intellectual property"... I was like "WTF? I am offering it to you, for free, since it's TECHNICALLY FAR BETTER THAN THE CRAP FLASH ONES YOU USE NOW, & far, Far, FAR SAFER WITH LESS BUGS/SECURITY ISSUES!" & I was not 'selling it' either... it was 100% free.

    They're fools.

    APK

    P.S.=> How stupid could they be? I'm a HUGE Dr. Who fan & have been since "Tom Baker" days (loved the series 2005 to present too, David Tenant rocks) - Well, They (iirc) also shut down the site it was on also like this article alludes to as well - dumbest thing you can do? ANGER YOUR FANS... you're NOTHING minus them!

    ... apk

    1. Re:They messed with me once too... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe its a lesson for you. Including someone elses content on your own product is just not allowed. .avi file with BBC content in it is clearly not authored by yourself. If you have nice engine available, it should be able to live on its own terms instead of by popularity of famous tv series.

    2. Re:They messed with me once too... apk by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      pretty neat/unique tech in it by embedding that .avi into the .exe as a resource

      You mean like using the resource designer which has been in visual studio since as far back as... Well, forever?

      FAR MORE EFFICIENT single moving part machinery done in a language that rivals & even exceeds MSVC++ in Borland Delphi 7.1 Object Pascal code.

      MSVC++ in Borland Delphi 7.1 Object Pascal... Wow.

      --
      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
    3. Re:They messed with me once too... apk by Richy_T · · Score: 2

      127.0.0.1 bbc.co.uk

      Done

    4. Re:They messed with me once too... apk by Cytotoxic · · Score: 1

      in the run-up to the new season they ran a show that specifically touted the input from fans, including fan-produced content like episodes and trailers. The new season's opening sequence was created by a fan that they discovered from a demo opening sequence he posted on the internet. Seems they are at least a bit schizophrenic about such things.

  21. Spite! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just to spite them i now have to download every Doctor Who episode and add to my collection. Thanks BBC! :D

    1. Re:Spite! by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      You can't. They erased bunch of them and likely some are gone forever because dumb.

  22. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd rather eat a shit sandwich than watch that crap.

  23. You know what this means... by Zamphatta · · Score: 1

    Daleks have infiltrated the BBC.

  24. Re:Your Official guide to the Jigaboo presidency! by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Reading at -1 is like having your soul sucked out and replaced by liquid nitrogen.

    --
    The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
  25. Never seen a Dr Who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only episodes I ever got into were in the early 90's with the guy with orange curly hair. As a result, if I watch an episode with any of the approximately 1 billion other actors who played Dr. Who, my brain doesn't even register it as the same show.

    (PS, the special effects suck. Sonic screwdriver? WTF? And kick that Dalek in the tookus so you can watch him tumble down the stairs.)

  26. Your Official guide to the Jigaboo presidency! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess you're still swooning over that $300 check George Bush sent you...

  27. Re:Your Official guide to the Jigaboo presidency! by Eevee · · Score: 1

    So, in other words, reading at -1 is both friendlier and warmer than my ex-wife,

  28. Google hosts links for torrents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So why doesn't the BBC and FACT take down google?

    Oh that's right, Google is a direct arm of the CIA and NSA, that's why.

  29. Stolen scripts and rushes by Martin+Spamer · · Score: 1
  30. Re:Your Official guide to the Jigaboo presidency! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, in other words, reading at -1 is both friendlier and warmer than my ex-wife,

    or a tax auditor.

  31. I made it specifically for them (& fans like m by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject-line: That's all it was + I offered it ALL to them (code & engine). Nothing for profit. Just "FAN ART", by a fan, that is technically speaking, WORLDS above the crap they have their now is all (especially FLASH - I mean WHEN are these studios going to realize flash has security issues? Probably never = the answer).

    Heck: As I stated? Even the site admins (though he gave me guff initially & on other things) there loved it (literally told me that in email "I love it").

    * Lesson learned was not what you're preaching (& I don't accept THAT from "non-peers"... are you one? Ever done similar work?? If not, well... lol, you know!)

    Plus - I never was out to 'steal it', which should be apparent by what I did, which was only to give it back to them (and their fans) albeit in a manner they could've used it for themselves, due to technical superiority on MANY levels inherent in it... that is, after all, what ANY programmer *SHOULD* strive for, in results & their accuracy, + security as well, nowadays especially.

    APK

    P.S.=> Too bad: It's their loss @ the BBC since it was self-contained .scr single file Win32 PE code that had a pretty 'advanced technique' @ work in it - which is a LOT better than what they peddle there now in FLASH animated security-issue riddled crap, for sure (oh well, no biggie - it was a pet project for me, nothing more & I am SURE that others like it were probably done before by others (not for the same reasons though, just the 'tech' involved))... apk

  32. Choice by simplypeachy · · Score: 1

    I'm a UK citizen who pays taxes. I do not pay for a television license because I am not required to.

    1. Re:Choice by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      So you don't watch TV. Good for you. The fact you don't have to pay the tax? That will change soon.

    2. Re:Choice by pbhj · · Score: 1

      Well FWIW you do in part pay for the BBC - they receive a sizeable stipend from general taxation in addition to the monies raised through the license fee.

  33. Nope, native Delphi code to do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Per my subject-line: Resource storage, extract & execute from memory (directly).

    As far as what I wrote on Delphi beating MSVC++ - Read this & feel free to verify it (what took me away from VB & MSVC++ as favorite tools as of the date of this article LONG ago, other than for work/day job projects of course (company dictates those), but rather for personal projects/freeware/shareware which I've had my hands in for decades above & beyond MIS work in db access reports & apps for companies (from small to enterprise class etc.)):

    From "Visual Basic Programmer's Journal" Oct. 1997 issue "INSIDE THE VB 5 COMPILER" (Delphi, vs. VB, vs. MSVC++) where Delphi TORCHED MS' stuff in 4/6 total tests (in a competing trade rag no less, where they 'downplayed' that fact to ONLY 1 LINE (lame))?

    Math Processing:

    1.523 ms for Delphi
    2.890 ms for MSVC++
    7.871 ms for VB

    String processing:

    0.275 ms for Delphi
    0.600 ms for MSVC++
    4.091 ms for VB

    ALL TESTS WERE THESE:

    1.) String Processing Suite
    2.) Math Suite
    3.) DataBase Suite
    4.) TextBox Form Load
    5.) Graphics Methods (rotating bitmap)
    6.) ActiveX Form loads

    (Fairly LARGE "orders of magnitude" in those scores, & IN FAVOR OF DELPHI! In fact, everytime? IT LITERALLY WAS ENTIRE ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE (@ least double))

    Delphi only lost in ActiveX form loads (even MSVC++ lost, hard to believe considering VB5's compiler was a watered down MSVC++ one, minus loop unrolling afaik), & Graphics Methods (lost by a TINY margin to MSVC++ - & I MEAN TINY).

    APK

    P.S.=> Every program under the sun does math & strings work... & FUNNIEST/IRONIC part is I found the link I posted on this very topic (my DrWho Screensaver) from 2008 where I "extolled its virtues" & COMPLETE architecture, + why I used Delphi to build it:

    http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    "Will wonders NEVER cease..."

    ... apk

    1. Re:Nope, native Delphi code to do it by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      From "Visual Basic Programmer's Journal" Oct. 1997 issue "INSIDE THE VB 5 COMPILER" (Delphi, vs. VB, vs. MSVC++) where Delphi TORCHED MS' stuff in 4/6 total tests (in a competing trade rag no less, where they 'downplayed' that fact to ONLY 1 LINE (lame))?

      From "Visual Basic Programmer's Journal" Oct. 1997 issue "INSIDE THE VB 5 COMPILER"

      Oct. 1997 issue

      1997

      1997

      Wow.

      --
      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
    2. Re:Nope, native Delphi code to do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ashfox got totally torn up by apk on dns vs hosts http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

  34. By the way: Why'd you run from this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmmm? I didn't notice it was you here, troll, but herethis for you per my subject -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    * :)

    You like to talk behind my back? Ok - I am talking RIGHT AT YOU for that, & watching you "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" as usual.

    (By the way, Ash-Fox: What have YOU ever created that was any good that I can see? I haven't seen it... show me: Prove you're @ least a PEER, since otherwise? You'll always just be a TROLL, to me (& anyone else reading)).

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, I am *FAIRLY SURE* you're just another trolling "ne'er-do-well" as far as the art & science of computing is concerned... apk

  35. Should have sent in the new Doctor.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He would have sorted them out fairly but justly.

    Have seen the first episode with Caoaldi tonight twice...... and perfectly legally I must add via the iPleyer app in the UK.

    This series is looking good - seriously good in fact after the lameness of the past few years, the new Doctor is so much better in every way than the last.

    Next week - Daleks, looking scary and powerful again from the 20 second trailer at the end of the show!

  36. Hope to God by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hope to god someone rams that fucking copyright shit up their stupid asses. Bloody hell it's a freakin' fan site, give it a fucking rest you dumb cunts.

  37. Ash-Fox: It was a pleasure making you concede by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That DNS has issues vs. custom hosts files on numerous points here -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... on:

    1.) DNS using excess power
    2.) DNS using excess cpu cycles
    3.) DNS using excess memory
    4.) DNS using excess I/O
    5.) DNS using excess "moving parts" complexity

    (#1 - #5 above in comparison to custom hosts files)

    6.) DNS having security vulnerabilities that hosts files fix, + that your "fix" against dns redirect poisoning DOUBLES your overheads (using TCP vs. UDP the default) creating yet MORE INEFFICIENCY in your doing so...

    * :)

    (Along with the fact you can't show ANYONE ANYTHING you've ever done in the art & science of computing... especially in comparison to myself)

    APK

    P.S.=> What was even more "priceless" was your "I was pretending" garbage here too -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... where I pointed out fastflux, & dynamic DNS utilizing botnets abusing DNS servers taking advantage of their VERY NATURE to do exploits on users - so the ONLY thing you are "pretending" on, is that you are PRETENDING to know a damn thing about computing, lol & that ALL proves it... apk

  38. Re:Your Official guide to the Jigaboo presidency! by Samizdata · · Score: 1

    Who apparently is both friendly and warmer than MY ex-wife.

    --
    It's not the years, honey, it's the mileage. - Colonel Henry Walton Jones, Jr., Ph.D.
  39. A bigger "wow" was seeing you concede points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On DNS inferiority to hosts http://news.slashdot.org/comme... + YOU running from this http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    * :)

    LMAO...

    APK

    P.S.=> You can *try* to "rib" on Delphi, but it allowed me to do all the things in that 1st link's termination, that the "trolling likes of YOU" (lowest of the LOW online) will never, EVER manage to do better than (since you couldn't produce more, better, & certainly not earlier there)... apk

    1. Re:A bigger "wow" was seeing you concede points by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      On DNS inferiority to hosts

      I already told you how to configure a DNS server/resolver to not have vulnerability issues and we discussed vulnerabilities effecting hosts file as well as the inadequacies where blocking entire domains leads to multi-gb hosts files that Windows starts breaking with services on and running out of memory with.

      I don't understand why your post targets adblock+, ghostery or request policy. I have never endorsed those as solutions to anything (I also consider them as a false sense of security. I've trivially bypassed the cookie stuff by storing unique values in RGB values of force-cached PNGs using HTML5 Canvas tag and the read pixels back out. I have also bypassed advertising blockers through tight integration with web content that makes it hard to produce a rule to target the advertisements).

      P.S.=> You can *try* to "rib" on Delphi

      It's not Delphi I was wowing about.

      --
      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
  40. Man, lol - "Will wonders never cease"... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish I waited until NOW then, vs. back in 2008 (when I spoke about it here on /. in detail) -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment... which even shows the site on Dr. Who that is "long gone" now...

    APK

    P.S.=> I don't *know* if the BBC cut that site off, or if they just "died" on their own, but it was a nice place... apk

  41. Exterminate! by gzuckier · · Score: 1

    Exterminate!

    --
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  42. You literally DOUBLE dns overheads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which are already greater than those of hosts as is using UDP (which you double using TCP). This is a "fix"?

    Hosts do it WITHOUT that problem (stopping both redirect security issues AND aiding reliability when DNS goes crash & they do quite often).

    ---

    You already conceded these points so why argue now? See here -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... on dns using more:

    1.) Electric Power (thus higher bills)
    2.) CPU cycles
    3.) Memory
    4.) Other forms of I/O
    5.) moving parts complexity is more than hosts
    6.) Room for breakdown = greater than hosts
    7.) Learning curve = greater than hosts

    ---

    Hosts 'break' NO services (so cut the lies) & save you CPU cycles, RAM, + other forms of I/O used by them!

    So, turning off the DNS clientside USERMODE slower cache (with large hosts files only, since MS doesn't fix this by creating a flexible datastructure vs. a limited sized queue type) can be offset by using a KERNELMODE faster service you use already - the diskcaching kernelmode subsystem (which yes, caches hosts off disk like any other file), making up for it! Index loss is offset by placing your fav. sites @ the TOP of custom hosts (in my case, with 3++ million hosts entries, that equates to 2-3 million indexed seeks with 24 favorites sites of mine @ the top of hosts).

    ---

    You don't "run out of memory" with hosts either.

    Compare them to AdBlock chewing up 4++ gb worth as shown in my original post, then talk. DNS uses more in its lists + combined with more parts it has in programs (hosts is just a file)?

    You're wrong (again).

    APK

    P.S.=> I just point out facts in adblock + ghostery's inferiority vs. hosts (they do tons less for speed, security, reliability, & more is why + use more resources in a SLOWER mode of operations in usermode vs. hosts in kernelmode) & more facts (sold out or owned by advertisers & owned, respectively) http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... AND http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G... (evidon = advertising agency http://www.manta.com/c/mr09wrx... )... apk

  43. DNS has massive vulnerabilities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kaminsky redirect flaw (which 99.999% of ISP dns' are NOT proofed against even though a patch has existed for 10++ yrs. due to MX record setup difficulties).

    Clue: Hosts do NOT have security vulnerabilities when you use my program!

    (Above & BEYOND Windows File Protection already doing so)

    1st: I can't BE infected if I can't touch sources of infestation (hosts do that for me).

    So, how am I vulnerable in the 1st place?

    Answer = I'm not.

    Also:

    Even *IF* you're botnet infested, hosts stall their communcations back to their C&C Servers - nullifying them (bonus 2 way blockage).

    Protecting hosts works (w/ Windows File Protection too) since I apply read-only attributes (vs. exclusive locking) @ program startup & ending plus every 1/2 second *IF* my program remains resident (optional) - nothing can get thru it to write hosts to 'bushwhack' them & anything that needs hosts can READ them, just fine, that way.

    You failed to read (see link below, it leads to it) that I use hosts + external & secured DNS (saves wasting power & adding complexity with inefficiency + room for breakdown running dns here, as you see fit to do, illogically) in OpenDNS!

    (Which IS patched vs. the Kaminsky flaw, and uses DNSSEC to communicate with its upstream updaters also)

    I get the BEST of BOTH worlds that way, since I do *NOT* attempt to resolve the entire internet, only my 24 favs. @ the TOP of my hosts file (equates to 2-3 million indexed seeks, do the math, & my hosts has over 3++ million KNOWN BAD SITES + adbanner servers blocked in the rest - I never intend to get to them & it works for both speed & security, thus).

    APK

    P.S.=> Fact: You've already conceded numerous points on DNS to me on efficiencies & more http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and originally where I quote you doing so long ago also, here http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... & it appears you do things less efficiently with more complexity/learning curve + room for breakdown - illogical! apk

    1. Re:DNS has massive vulnerabilities by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      1st: I can't BE infected if I can't touch sources of infestation (hosts do that for me).

      Of course, since you don't block entire domains, you could become trivially vulnerable if they just open a new subdomain, or even just do a wildcard subdomain.

      You failed to read (see link below, it leads to it) that I use hosts + external & secured DNS (saves wasting power & adding complexity with inefficiency + room for breakdown running dns here, as you see fit to do, illogically) in OpenDNS!

      We've discussed this extensively. I've told you before, I have seen no notable differences in power consumption. There is an increase in bandwidth consumption from using TCP, sure. However, I'm not exactly on some 5MB internet cap where it would make a difference.

      Having a locally accessible DNS server on your machine that handles the resolutions over TCP with end points is more secure than a hosts file, that can only cover vulnerabilities that you're aware of and doesn't break geographical CDNs that use DNS to provide the relevant geographical IP address to connect to.

      Unlike a hosts file, you can also block resolution completely of entire domains (or just subdomains, which is what you do) too. This blocking unlike hosts file, tells the browser, or any other application attempting to access said address, that it doesn't even exist and as such, a connection isn't even attempted to said address to begin with, leading to faster browser loading times.

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  44. Hosts overall superiority vs. addons is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock/ghostery/requestpolicy do the these (hosts can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO replies will do.

    APK

    P.S.=> This response's USUALLY specific to AdBlock but the ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above

    Vs. "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) especially -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/...

    So *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)

    Plus Ghostery (evidon = advertiser owned) & RequestPolicy.

    ?

    It's illogical to use them vs. hosts but up to you - I can lead horses to water but I can't make 'em drink!

    ... apk

    1. Re:Hosts overall superiority vs. addons is why by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Can adblock/ghostery/requestpolicy do the these (hosts can)

      Why is this relevant even? I repeat: I don't understand why your post targets adblock+, ghostery or request policy. I have never endorsed those as solutions to anything.

      It's illogical to use them vs. hosts but up to you

      I use DNS in a safe configuration with full domain blacklists for malicious sites. But you know this, because we've been over this before.

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  45. You're going to have increased power use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the MORE YOU USE, + your literally DOUBLING overheads using TCP over std. UDP makes it moreso, & You're use of a local dns (especially as a separate machine) assures that - period... That's just physics.

    A local dns isn't more secure than a local hosts file that runs my program since it, along with Windows File Protection in combination with it, protects hosts.

    What makes you think I can't protect subdomains in hosts? I can do google.com , www.google.com , test.google.com, etc.- et al, easily.

    APK

    P.S.=> How you could deny using more power (let alone CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O as well by running a local DNS, especially as a separate system) using "more" boggles the mind... apk

    1. Re:You're going to have increased power use by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      A local dns isn't more secure than a local hosts file that runs my program since it, along with Windows File Protection in combination with it, protects hosts.

      It's more secure when running with the configuration I told you previously, TCP based resolution.

      What makes you think I can't protect subdomains in hosts? I can do google.com , www.google.com , test.google.com, etc.- et al, easily.

      But you can't blacklist an entire domain 'easily' in a hosts file. By 'entire domain', I mean, all subdomains and the domain it self. If I explain using a wildcard format:
      google.com
      *.google.com

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  46. Addons are relevant since you brought them up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I pointed out addon shortcomings vs. hosts & your DNS setup doubles overheads (tcp vs. udp) isn't anymore secure than a hosts file protected by WFP & my program in combination with it.

    Your DNS setup eats more power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O (especially when setup as a separate machine), & increases complexity + learning curve also vs. a simple text file in hosts.

    Hosts can easily block domains/subdomains: Where you get the idea it doesn't boggles my mind (again, think google.com , www.google.com , test.google.com etc.)

    APK

    P.S.=> How you can say hosts can't block subdomains AND that using DNS (especially as a separate machine) doesn't consume more electric power, cpu cycles, RAM, + other forms of I/O boggles the mind - it's IMPOSSIBLE for it NOT TO DO SO, period... apk

    1. Re:Addons are relevant since you brought them up by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      I pointed out addon shortcomings vs. hosts & your DNS setup doubles overheads (tcp vs. udp) isn't anymore secure than a hosts file protected by WFP & my program in combination with it.

      I've previously pointed out the shortcomings of hosts files to you. Such as trying to blacklist an entire domain requires generating every single combination of a subdomain for that domain. The intensive I/O usage to read that file into memory, the requirement for an immense amount of disk space (as opposed to the few lines for DNS) to block an entire domain, breaks standard windows services and while there are some additional overheads, it also reduce overheads that you have from hosts, such as the application attempting to establish a connection to a blocked address, rather than getting a resolution failure.

      Apply said solution to a LAN server and you've mitigated any client system overheads (not that there is really anything that notable as far as overheads are when it comes to DNS to begin with).

      Your DNS setup eats more power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O (especially when setup as a separate machine), & increases complexity + learning curve also vs. a simple text file in hosts.

      Not when compared to the scenarios I am using the DNS server, such as blacklisting entire domains used by malicious users. The additional overhead in TCP resolution is acceptable for security purposes.

      As for learning curve; if I was concerned about learning curve, I'd pre-package some DNS server in an installer with the right configurations and maybe write some GUI configuration tool (didn't you make one for hosts?).

      P.S.=> How you can say hosts can't block subdomains AND that using DNS (especially as a separate machine) doesn't consume more electric power, cpu cycles, RAM, + other forms of I/O boggles the mind - it's IMPOSSIBLE for it NOT TO DO SO, period... apk

      I've already explained this to you previously, how do you not get it?

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  47. You doubled DNS overheads (eating more power) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1.) See subject-line (TCP usage literally doubles overheads using it over UDP too)

    2.) You're no more secure than hosts protected by Windows File Protection + APK Hosts File Engine protecting hosts applying read-only attributes to hosts every 1/2 second.

    3.) Now @ least you ADMIT I can block domains/subdomains (when you said I literally couldn't earlier), & I get them added as my 12 reputable sources in the security community add them (or, as I see fit to) completely automated & easy to do thus.

    APK

    P.S.=> Your "so-called 'points'" are overturned & you've admitted that YES I CAN BLOCK DOMAINS + SUBDOMAINS (& it's automated by my program to do so from reputable + reliable security community sources).

    HOWEVER:

    How you can say hosts aren't secured AND that you don't consume more resources in:

    A.) cpu cycles
    B.) RAM
    C.) Over forms of I/O

    (Especially since you've LITERALLY DOUBLED overheads using TCP vs. UDP default in DNS)

    Boggles the mind... & yes - using DNS will consume more of those AND ELECTRICAL POWER since you're using "more" - needlessly (since hosts can do the job with less moving parts, complexity + room for breakdown OR EXPLOIT, & less learning curve)... apk

    1. Re:You doubled DNS overheads (eating more power) by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      3.) Now @ least you ADMIT I can block domains/subdomains (when you said I literally couldn't earlier), & I get them added as my 12 reputable sources in the security community add them (or, as I see fit to) completely automated & easy to do thus.

      I'm talking about entire domains, stop being pedantic.

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      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
  48. You said I couldn't block subdomains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So 'WRONG', unfortunately for you, since I *can* block BOTH domains & subdomains, in hosts.

    * :)

    APK

    P.S.=> Both easily & "automatically" using my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... & right as they are provided by 12 reputable sources in the security community itself...

    ... apk

    1. Re:You said I couldn't block subdomains by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Show me a hosts file blocking the entire google.com domain (this includes every combination of subdomain).

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  49. I get BOTH domain & subdomains though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's no shortcoming & it's done "automgically" via my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Reading hosts into RAM is LESS intensive than DNS lists (shorter by far, see your rulesets as an example) & so SIMPLE, a child can understand hosts entries + use notepad.exe (or *any* text editor) to do it.

    The FACT you "layer on" MORE onto the IP stack using DNS servers CREATES FAR MORE cpu cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O (which you DO concede, again) plus MORE complexity + room for breakdown due to more "moving parts", + a steeper learning curve.

    Client systems with DNS have overheads on time (slower from remote DNS for resolutions) & yes, it costs CPU time fielding those requests, + RAM usage too & I/O... no way around it - EVERYTHING abstracts out to a file or file i/o in these things (i.e. even device contexts like your screen i/o is done thus, for example) - this goes for LOCAL dns even on same machine too, but it's less that way.

    Either way, you fall short on ALL OF THE ABOVE, & greater ELECTRICAL POWER USAGE (nothing extra like dns, comes for 'free') since you're using MORE layered on moving parts & complexity (which leads to greater chance for breakdown too).

    Lastly: Who cares how fast I get blocked ones? I never intend to GET TO THEM IN THE 1st PLACE!

    APK

    P.S.=> Face facts: I can do ALL YOU CAN DO, with less FOR LESS (resources used-wise) & updating network LAN/WAN endpoints like pc desktops? Cake... logon scripts &/or chronjobs-scheduled tasks in Windows can do the same, network-wide (with less moving parts in a DNS locally wasting more power, cpu, ram, & other types of I/O too)... apk

  50. Why? I don't need to block them totally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're asking for something I don't do (I use Gmail) & you're still wrong http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    * :)

    (Fact IS fact, Truth IS truth - & yes: THAT is that... you fail ).

    APK

    P.S.=> You simply can't get the better of me, ever, or on anything technical - accept it! Hosts are the IMMOVABLE OBJECT (& the IRRESTIBLE FORCE behind them = me (this all bears it out in this exchange))

    ... apk

    1. Re:Why? I don't need to block them totally by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      I'm using google.com as an example. I'm not telling you to use it.

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  51. Again why? You evade my challenges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So *why* would I do illogical things you ask when you run from this challenge constantly http://news.slashdot.org/comme... ?

    APK

    P.S.=> You said I couldn't block BOTH domains & subdomains initially - NOW, you admit hosts can do that (lol), so... What's your point? That you fail vs. myself, constantly??

    Good point (the evidences are here all throughout this exchange to that effect - fact IS fact, TRUTH is TRUTH)... apk

    1. Re:Again why? You evade my challenges by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      It's not illogical. I'm using google.com as an example to block. I am not going to link some actual real malware domain (where you really couldn't trust any subdomain it has) for obvious reasons.

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  52. "Rinse, Lather, & Repeat" Evading it again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Illogical of YOU to ask ME to do something when you evade this challenge -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

    P.S.=> You also erroneously said I couldn't block BOTH domains & subdomains initially - NOW, you admit hosts can do that (lol), so... What's your point?

    That you fail vs. myself, constantly??

    That you ask ME to do things, when you can't VALIDLY disprove my points on hosts giving users more speed, security, reliability, & far more vs. blatantly technically inferior browser addons + even fixing DNS redirect security issues, evading that challenge constantly?

    Good point (the evidences are here all throughout this exchange to that effect - fact IS fact, TRUTH is TRUTH)... apk

    1. Re:"Rinse, Lather, & Repeat" Evading it again? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      I don't even see a challenge on that link.

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  53. "Re-Rinse, Re-Lather, & Re-Repeat" again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See the title on that link? It's "You're welcome to disprove this Ash-Fox" (can't you read??).

    APK

    P.S.=> Evidently not... apk

    1. Re:"Re-Rinse, Re-Lather, & Re-Repeat" again by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      A:
      1. - I don't endorse this or use this.
      2. - I don't endorse this or use this.
      3. - I don't endorse this or use this
      B - True, but I can't remember a time when this issue even affected me or anyone else.
      C - I think the trivial blocking of entire domains which can be done in a single line with DNS is faster. I think the lack of resolution of blocked domains is faster than a browser getting 127.0.0.1 and trying to connect to it etc.
      D:
      1. - Speed vs remote DNS, sure. vs local DNS? Eh, I get 0ms response times.
      2. - Security - I think my method is safer, bocking entire domains that are owned by malicious entities instead of specific subdomains. Additionally, I think my TCP resolution setup in my DNS server is safer than hosts file with a blocklist and without the TCP resolution.
      3. - Reliability - A locally running DNS server with similar configurations (pointing at specific IPs and what not) feasibly seems just as reliable?
      4. - If you're concerned about anonymity, DNS is not where you should be starting.

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  54. You couldn't disprove my points on hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They DO give users more speed, security, reliability, anonymity & more + more efficiently with less "moving parts" complexity AND room for breakdown (or exploit) than any SINGLE addon (& yes, the fix up DNS redirect security problems too) - period.

    A-C = true, & you *can't* prove ANY of it wrong/off... again, period.

    APK

    P.S.=> On your "D" section:

    You're measuring in ms (try ns instead, use a hi-res timer to do it, will take a program you write to do it).

    Additionally - You *already* ADMITTED I can block BOTH entire DOMAINS + subdomains using hosts - so WHY would you state what you did, again?

    You *claim* a "fix" with using TCP over UDP for DNS locally (which eats more power AND DOUBLES YOUR OVERHEADS) this is an INEFFICIENT "fix" & lends again to MY POINT that hosts can do what DNS can, using less cpu, ram, & other forms of I/O, less complexity (by hosts doing the same with less) & room for breakdown OR EXPLOIT!

    Lastly - the anonymity portion of hosts ONLY extends to DNS request logs really but, it's a point that's there in FAVOR of hosts too nevertheless...

    ...apk

  55. Timewarner DNS down 2 days ago? No problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why no problem? Hardcoded favorites in hosts files vs. TW DNS going "down" & this fixes it for users via APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    * :)

    ALL FOR FAR LESS:

    1.) RESOURCES CONSUMED THAN A LOCAL DNS SERVER
    2.) LESS electrical power & higher bills
    3.) LESS cpu
    4.) LESS ram
    5.) LESS other forms of I/O consumed too

    That DNS uses more of (especially on a 2nd computer)!

    AS WELL AS LESS:

    6.) OF A LEARNING CURVE
    7.) LESS MOVING PARTS COMPLEXITY
    8.) LESS ROOM FOR BREAKDOWN
    9.) LESS ROOM FOR EXPLOIT DNS HAS ... PERIOD.

    APK

    P.S.=> Source article from /. was this a couple days ago & my solution? Works (for less but doing far MORE) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/story...

    ... apk