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Linux 3.17-rc2 Release Marks 23 Years of the Linux Kernel
An anonymous reader writes Linus Torvalds released Linux 3.17-rc2 today in commemoration of the 23rd anniversary of the original kernel announcement. It was on 25 August 1991 that he announced his new OS project to the Minix users list.
Posting in an incorrect listserv about his new OS. Good work, Linux, on 23 years of hardcore trolling.
heh :)
Like many of us it needs work at trimming down its size. So take it easy on the birthday cake etc.
(Before moderators get all wound up, Linus has been saying it himsellf for years.)
Hail Discordia.
But...but...the man...
I know you're just trying to disturb shit with your comment, but you do indirectly bring up a good point: systemd and how it's contrary to everything that UNIX stands for.
Like almost everyone else, I'd heard about it. I heard the complaints, but I didn't take them seriously. Then, almost three weeks ago, I had to install and use Fedora for the first time in a number of years.
Everything negative that people have said about systemd is true. The problems they point out are as real as can be. Binary log files? Jesus Christ. One daemon that does just about everything? Jesus Christ. systemd shits upon the UNIX philosophy in every way possible.
More and more distros have started using systemd. Soon people won't have a choice; they'll be subjected to systemd whether they like it or not. Decades of UNIX and Linux knowledge is being flushed down the shitter, replaced with a something that's more at home in the world of Windows than it ever should be in the land of UNIX.
Over two decades on, the Linux community is facing its biggest threat yet. systemd is the kind of software that will render Linux irrelevant in the server market, just because it disregards decades of wisdom in favor of a one-size-fits-all approach that has never worked well in the past.
The Linux community needs to discuss systemd, before it's too late!
After 23 years of consistently having your ass handed to you by Microsoft, you think Linus would have a little more humility. You know your software is complete shit when people willingly shell out hundreds of dollars for a superior product rather than use your product for free.
Ya, windows is winning. Except for the server room. And the tablet and smartphone spaces. And the embedded world. In fact, Linux is kicking windows to the curb pretty much everywhere except the desktop.
In the US anyway.
I started in on Linux a year later after buying my first 386-40(?) system and wondering what I'd install on it. Wound up with Linux after trying OS/2 and kinda avoiding the *BSDs because that just looked like a cluster----. Got a small stack of floppies and my career from there was set.
I've done a lot in that time - three books, two computer-based training CDs, lots of work on the LDP, was at Red Hat going for my RHCE the day they had their IPO, worked for VA Linux, designed and ran rather large HPC environments for two Major East Coast Universities(tm).
Shell out is funny :>
Say, a train, which I could also easily afford?
Is it disrespectful to dirt? Does it have awesome power?
23 years head start. No problem. Just a little weekend coding and linux will be forgotten.
Doesn't feel like that long. Admittedly a lot of the 90's is a blur. Hey, hey, you guys remember that time when the Linux kernel went over 10 MB and we predicted it would destroy the Internet?
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Base product cost is not the only determining factor. You can hardly go against Microsoft indoctrination of people, or the myriad of course for basic spreadsheet & words processing software, just the same way you can hardly use anything but Adobe product when you are doing image processing.
Nick still doesn't have an answer to his question about BTRFS locking on multi core machines. If you can "help" him it will further
his understanding of Linux. You insensitive clods.
Step 1) Learn to speak english
Step 2) Shut the fuck up because what you have to say is stupid regardless of your ability to speak the language.
"won't be big and
professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones."
"It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never
will support anything other than AT-harddisks"
Yet it runs on about 80% of all cell phones, runs on routers, servers, even on my orange iMac (G3)
Give that man many thanks...
I've got better things to do tonight than die.
Google isn't perfect, but it's far less evil than Microsoft.
That's because you can buy a 400$ PC at Walmart. (the laptop's gonna break in 2 years, but people don't really care about that since they'll be able to buy a new one)
I've got better things to do tonight than die.
It has little to do with "indoctrination" of people, but familiarity is something of a factor, of course.
More critically, I think, Microsoft established a very large software ecosystem that Linux was never able to match as a relative late-comer, and catching up was nearly impossible without a critical mass that Windows enjoys. The simple reason people use Windows is because of the massive ecosystem of products available for the platform. Linux has some fine software, but there are many, many times the number of applications available for Windows, some of which are pretty damned specialized and are simply not available on other platforms.
There's a reason Linux is able to complete so well in other areas. In the server market, for example, the job is largely about serving up standard internet protocols, and so a free product is a huge win with no compatibility-related downsides. In the small-form device market, the open and free nature is also a big win, where margins are very tight, and vendors want to be able to customize their offering.
But the desktop relies on software written for specific platforms, so the ecosystem is everything. Microsoft has been extremely effective at courting third-party developers with excellent tools, services, and documentation. Windows has also enjoyed excellent long-term binary backward compatibility, which is hugely important for business software and the businesses that use them. So, to me, it's not hard to see why they've maintained their domination on the desktop.
Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
Year of the Linux desktop!?
Sorry, just had to post that.
Thank God for open source LINUX.
Seriously.
I would be running a chain of Indian Restaurants long ago if the only thing I was doing was product management of Wind0ze machines.
LINUS thanks for the greatest occupation anyone could want: LINUX Admin/LINUX Programmer.
PS: I need to buy LINUS something, but what do you do for a man that has all the source code? MMMmmmm....
Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
...Windows?
You mean that malware-infested OS that was always crashing my dad's computer 10 years ago, back when they were these huge boxes that sat on a desk?
Or that one that runs on that pathetic game console that can't sell itself without remaking Halo every few years?
How many years have you been using Linux:
1-5 Years
6-10 years
11-15 years
15-20 years
I am Linus!
FWIW: I started back in 1993! 21 years, back in the pre-1.0 versions!
I thought Being a direct spy arm for the NSA/CIA was a little more evil than a falling corporate monopoly?
Sendmail is historiy just as bind is history. Sendmail uses m4 for it's configuration files (you shouldn't edit the "compiled" stuff), so it's not sendmail that is culprit here. Bind is history because there's powerDNS now. Exim and samba aren't a mess, but they do use "text files" for configuration.
Anyway, they all use a standard, since it's human readable ascii. It may be obscure since there isn't much if anything that uses their format apart from themselves, but it's a standard. You could argue that all these apps should standardize on XML, but then you'd have all the tags that need to be standardized too. Going for binary files means humans will need extra software just to edit that and machine generating those will be harder too. The Windows Registry is a mess if I ever saw one and after about 20 years it's such a myriad of patches and additions that it's hardly managable.
Standards are great, which is why everyone invents at least one new one. Pushing very different requirements into one standard usually makes it either too crippled to be useful or too bloated to be maintainable. Maybe it's you that needs to find something else to do if you can't muster up the energy to deal with these inconveniances anymore. There will always be incompatibilities and annoyances if you have to deal with technology so either put up or move on.
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
Thanks to some proc changes breaking my wifi adapter drivers (no update available), I'm stuck with a rather old kernel version. :(
Last I heard, Chromebook sales were good... Linux inside there too.
Nice, if slightly quirky at times, as a server OS.
Google thinks it works as mobile OS kernel (with a ton of stuff on top of it).
Perhaps we'll have a good desktop in 10-15 years too.
...Windows?
You mean that malware-infested OS that was always crashing my dad's computer 10 years ago, back when they were these huge boxes that sat on a desk?
No, not that one. That was your father's Windows.
Modern Windows is fast, secure, and stable.
Had a look at it in 1994 - but not much use for linux on a machine with no network. Continously used since 1997, when I got rid of os/2.
at that point of time, Linus Torvalds was already used to constantly have to fix things himself and write the software he needed for the buggy and ill-supported Spectrum QL of his youth. Linux was far from his first project and he had a good experience in writing code at that time.
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You're trolling, ain't you?
In case your post it's genuine...
The BSD folks may have their quirks (who hasn't?), but to counter your very skewed perception, just one word: *OpenSSH*
This application alone would justify all of the *BSDs together (and as someone living in the Linux side of the fence I say that we owe BSD much more than just that).
Hey TROLL, fuck off back to Usenet ..
Is this what slashdot is reduced to, providing a platform for a bunch of wintrolls ..
If it were just about being good software, Lotus, Wordperfect and others would still be around. Make no mistake, if Linux were a regular closed software vendor, it would have become a vague memory long ago.
Hello everybody out there using Linux -
I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and
professional like gnu) for x86 clones. This has been brewing
since april, and is starting to get ready. I'd like any feedback on
things people like/dislike in Linux, as my OS resembles it somewhat
(same physical layout of the file-system (due to practical reasons)
among other things).
I've currently ported bash(4.3.24) and gcc(4.9.1), and things seem to work. :-)
This implies that I'll get something practical within a few months, and
I'd like to know what features most people would want. Any suggestions
are welcome, but I won't promise I'll implement them
AC (ac@timbuktu.org)
PS. Yes - it's free of any Linux code, and it has a multi-threaded fs. :-(.
It is NOT protable (uses x86 task switching etc), and it probably never
will support anything other than SATA-harddisks, as that's all I have
Also the fact that distros can't get their act together. Each distro is slightly different from the other, that it is extremely difficult as a commercial software vendor to release a product that installs and works properly on a variety of distros. At best, I will pick one or two of the most popular distros and forget about the rest. The limited amount of distribution makes me rethink whether or not it will be profitable for me to create a Linux version of my software. As for Windows, until recently my software could run on WinXP, Vista, Win 7, and Win8 without any problem. That is at least a 15 year stretch across millions of desktops. I know that any investment that I make in creating a Windows port has a reasonable chance of making me money. That ecosystem that you talk about never gets created for Linux because there is no incentive for software vendors to participate in. Instead, you get the half-baked, unpolished, bug-filled, undocumented free software that exists in the repositories, that is full of gotchas. For Linux to succeed on the desktop, it must allow both the free and the commercial to coexist.
If it were just about being good software, Lotus, Wordperfect and others would still be around. Make no mistake, if Linux were a regular closed software vendor, it would have become a vague memory long ago.
You know, I was around during the transition from WordPerfect to Word, and from Lotus 123 to Excel. Both of those products were held back by their legacy DOS codebases, and were extremely slow to transition to Windows, which is where everyone started moving, of course. When they finally did release Windows products, they were horrible. So, no, WordPerfect and 123 just lost out to competitors because they couldn't keep up with advances in technology - simple as that.
I'm not sure what what had to do with Linux being a closed software vendor, though...? I agree that being open source is certainly one of it's strengths.
Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
My first Linux install was late 1995 (Slackware version 3.0) with the Platypus on the disk. It was my first year of university and I replaced OS/2 with Linux. It was occasionally a bit hellish because I needed to do assignments on it and it wasn't quite as polished then as it is now (I started with kernel 1.2.13, and I had to compile a new version because I had to change interrupts on my CD rom drive (change the software then re-compile), and to add Hannu Savulainens SoundBlaster sound card drivers), and even installing needed a boot-line install parameter (again so that it would install from my cdrom with a non-standard interrupt). It's all gotten much easier since then.
Microsoft would have had a way to kill it.
you forgot your sarcasm quotes. because windows is none of that