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Linux 3.17-rc2 Release Marks 23 Years of the Linux Kernel
An anonymous reader writes Linus Torvalds released Linux 3.17-rc2 today in commemoration of the 23rd anniversary of the original kernel announcement. It was on 25 August 1991 that he announced his new OS project to the Minix users list.
Posting in an incorrect listserv about his new OS. Good work, Linux, on 23 years of hardcore trolling.
heh :)
Like many of us it needs work at trimming down its size. So take it easy on the birthday cake etc.
(Before moderators get all wound up, Linus has been saying it himsellf for years.)
Hail Discordia.
I know you're just trying to disturb shit with your comment, but you do indirectly bring up a good point: systemd and how it's contrary to everything that UNIX stands for.
Like almost everyone else, I'd heard about it. I heard the complaints, but I didn't take them seriously. Then, almost three weeks ago, I had to install and use Fedora for the first time in a number of years.
Everything negative that people have said about systemd is true. The problems they point out are as real as can be. Binary log files? Jesus Christ. One daemon that does just about everything? Jesus Christ. systemd shits upon the UNIX philosophy in every way possible.
More and more distros have started using systemd. Soon people won't have a choice; they'll be subjected to systemd whether they like it or not. Decades of UNIX and Linux knowledge is being flushed down the shitter, replaced with a something that's more at home in the world of Windows than it ever should be in the land of UNIX.
Over two decades on, the Linux community is facing its biggest threat yet. systemd is the kind of software that will render Linux irrelevant in the server market, just because it disregards decades of wisdom in favor of a one-size-fits-all approach that has never worked well in the past.
The Linux community needs to discuss systemd, before it's too late!
After 23 years of consistently having your ass handed to you by Microsoft, you think Linus would have a little more humility. You know your software is complete shit when people willingly shell out hundreds of dollars for a superior product rather than use your product for free.
Ya, windows is winning. Except for the server room. And the tablet and smartphone spaces. And the embedded world. In fact, Linux is kicking windows to the curb pretty much everywhere except the desktop.
Shell out is funny :>
Doesn't feel like that long. Admittedly a lot of the 90's is a blur. Hey, hey, you guys remember that time when the Linux kernel went over 10 MB and we predicted it would destroy the Internet?
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Base product cost is not the only determining factor. You can hardly go against Microsoft indoctrination of people, or the myriad of course for basic spreadsheet & words processing software, just the same way you can hardly use anything but Adobe product when you are doing image processing.
Step 1) Learn to speak english
Step 2) Shut the fuck up because what you have to say is stupid regardless of your ability to speak the language.
"won't be big and
professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones."
"It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never
will support anything other than AT-harddisks"
Yet it runs on about 80% of all cell phones, runs on routers, servers, even on my orange iMac (G3)
Give that man many thanks...
I've got better things to do tonight than die.
That's because you can buy a 400$ PC at Walmart. (the laptop's gonna break in 2 years, but people don't really care about that since they'll be able to buy a new one)
I've got better things to do tonight than die.
It has little to do with "indoctrination" of people, but familiarity is something of a factor, of course.
More critically, I think, Microsoft established a very large software ecosystem that Linux was never able to match as a relative late-comer, and catching up was nearly impossible without a critical mass that Windows enjoys. The simple reason people use Windows is because of the massive ecosystem of products available for the platform. Linux has some fine software, but there are many, many times the number of applications available for Windows, some of which are pretty damned specialized and are simply not available on other platforms.
There's a reason Linux is able to complete so well in other areas. In the server market, for example, the job is largely about serving up standard internet protocols, and so a free product is a huge win with no compatibility-related downsides. In the small-form device market, the open and free nature is also a big win, where margins are very tight, and vendors want to be able to customize their offering.
But the desktop relies on software written for specific platforms, so the ecosystem is everything. Microsoft has been extremely effective at courting third-party developers with excellent tools, services, and documentation. Windows has also enjoyed excellent long-term binary backward compatibility, which is hugely important for business software and the businesses that use them. So, to me, it's not hard to see why they've maintained their domination on the desktop.
Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
Year of the Linux desktop!?
Sorry, just had to post that.
Thank God for open source LINUX.
Seriously.
I would be running a chain of Indian Restaurants long ago if the only thing I was doing was product management of Wind0ze machines.
LINUS thanks for the greatest occupation anyone could want: LINUX Admin/LINUX Programmer.
PS: I need to buy LINUS something, but what do you do for a man that has all the source code? MMMmmmm....
Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
How many years have you been using Linux:
1-5 Years
6-10 years
11-15 years
15-20 years
I am Linus!
FWIW: I started back in 1993! 21 years, back in the pre-1.0 versions!
Sendmail is historiy just as bind is history. Sendmail uses m4 for it's configuration files (you shouldn't edit the "compiled" stuff), so it's not sendmail that is culprit here. Bind is history because there's powerDNS now. Exim and samba aren't a mess, but they do use "text files" for configuration.
Anyway, they all use a standard, since it's human readable ascii. It may be obscure since there isn't much if anything that uses their format apart from themselves, but it's a standard. You could argue that all these apps should standardize on XML, but then you'd have all the tags that need to be standardized too. Going for binary files means humans will need extra software just to edit that and machine generating those will be harder too. The Windows Registry is a mess if I ever saw one and after about 20 years it's such a myriad of patches and additions that it's hardly managable.
Standards are great, which is why everyone invents at least one new one. Pushing very different requirements into one standard usually makes it either too crippled to be useful or too bloated to be maintainable. Maybe it's you that needs to find something else to do if you can't muster up the energy to deal with these inconveniances anymore. There will always be incompatibilities and annoyances if you have to deal with technology so either put up or move on.
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
Last I heard, Chromebook sales were good... Linux inside there too.
Which WiFi chip you have?
at that point of time, Linus Torvalds was already used to constantly have to fix things himself and write the software he needed for the buggy and ill-supported Spectrum QL of his youth. Linux was far from his first project and he had a good experience in writing code at that time.
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Is this what slashdot is reduced to, providing a platform for a bunch of wintrolls ..
If it were just about being good software, Lotus, Wordperfect and others would still be around. Make no mistake, if Linux were a regular closed software vendor, it would have become a vague memory long ago.
There is a major flaw in your post. You are asking for people to reply with things they dislike about the Linux kernel. By definition this means you are asking for feedback from people who have no knowlege of Linux, since everyone who knows about software and is familiar with Linux likes it :-)
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
If it were just about being good software, Lotus, Wordperfect and others would still be around. Make no mistake, if Linux were a regular closed software vendor, it would have become a vague memory long ago.
You know, I was around during the transition from WordPerfect to Word, and from Lotus 123 to Excel. Both of those products were held back by their legacy DOS codebases, and were extremely slow to transition to Windows, which is where everyone started moving, of course. When they finally did release Windows products, they were horrible. So, no, WordPerfect and 123 just lost out to competitors because they couldn't keep up with advances in technology - simple as that.
I'm not sure what what had to do with Linux being a closed software vendor, though...? I agree that being open source is certainly one of it's strengths.
Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
Microsoft would have had a way to kill it.
you forgot your sarcasm quotes. because windows is none of that