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Seagate Ships First 8 Terabyte Hard Drive

MojoKid (1002251) writes Seagate announced today that it has begun shipping the world's first 8 Terabyte hard drive. The 8TB hard drive comes only five months after Western Digital released the first ever 6TB HDD. Up until then, Seagate's high capacity HDDs had been shipping only to select enterprise clients. The 8TB HDD comes in the 3.5-inch form factor and, according to the manufacturer, features a SATA 6Gbps interface and multi-drive RV tolerance which makes it suitable for data centers. It's unclear what technology the drive is based on, or if PMR (Perpendicular Magnetic Recording) or low-resistance helium technology was employed.

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  1. Porn by darkain · · Score: 4, Funny

    That sure is a lot of porn...

    1. Re:Porn by sillybilly · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hey, porn in not the only kind of data. There are youtube how to videos through dirpy.com, which, like porn, could be up in the air and a future raid into your home by the government might force you to erase those - I hope you could keep the advertising banner like things, promotional material samples, as in, do I get a right to keep copyrighted junkmail I never asked for delivered by the post office to my snail mail post box, similarly do I get to keep spam images in my emails that I never asked for in the first place, or are those copyrighted and they want to make me pay for them? But there is the clear cut clear case of public domain, which they are still trying to assault and undermine. And pure public domain, like Wikipedia pages, and pre-1923 pdfs at books.google.com, those you have a right to keep on your TB harddrive, no matter what, unless they change the law and they say we no longer have nomadic public domain lands, and stick your pole down and claim public domain nomadic lands as your own through homesteading rights, so all public domain stuff might go up on auction sale, and then you will be banned from knowing anything unless you can show a receipt, else you will be forced to stay dumb.
      So archive.org sometimes does not bother compressing the ebooks and pdfs like books.google.com does on a lot of stuff, and it's like there is no amount of public domain scientific literature that I'm satiated with having in on my 1TB portable harddrive, the only issue being I requested TWC to take me to a higher plan so I can download more, instead they kept talking about download speed, I'm like keep that the same, I wanna pay more so I don't feel bad so bad about the total monthly data transfer, and somehow it got left at the same rate I signed up at, and I haven't tried again to get on the higher cost plan. I'm still getting a lot of downloads this way anyway, but sometimes I hold back my exuberance thinking about the total monthly data transfer, which they are kind to show you.

  2. Progress by lucm · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just like before I can lose entire tv series when the disk fails. But now it's the HD version of the series I will lose. That's called progress.

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  3. Re:Can we get a tape drive to back this up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    They still sell tape drives?

    Yes, tape is very common for backups & archiving. LTO6 is 2.5 TB (uncompressed) per tape and sells for around $40-$50 per tape:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...

    And LTO is far more reliable than a SATA hard disk.

    Must be marketed toward the old geezer crowd or something.

    Or, to those of us who care about our data.

  4. Re: Switched double speed half capacity, realistic by corychristison · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Before SSD's were all the rage, a common thing to get a speed boost was to do 'short stroke' the drive. Essentially, all you do is only partition the first third of the drive and use that space.

    The theory is that the head doesn't need to move around as much and speeds up the drive. I've never done it but modders used to swear by it.

  5. Re:Can we get a tape drive to back this up? by Rich0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    They still sell tape drives? Must be marketed toward the old geezer crowd or something.

    They're cost effective if you're storing a LOT of data and you don't need to regularly access it.

    An LTO-6 drive costs about $2500, and it stores 2.5TB of data on a $50 tape. That is about half the price of a comparable hard drive. If you have more than 100TB of data to store then tape becomes cheaper (that is, the savings for the tapes exceeds the cost of the drive). Tape is also a bit less fragile during transport/etc, and likely more reliable than optical media unless you buy the expensive stuff (which certainly isn't any cheaper than tape).

    Doing anything with those kinds of data volumes is always going to be slow, whether you're talking drives/tapes/etc. So, if you need rapid recovery or have a lot of turnover then strategies like replication to a live remote site is going to be necessary, and tape will never give you a great recovery time. It is better for retention for "just in case" scenarios or legal reasons - where recovery time isn't as important as just having the ability to recover at all.

  6. Re:Can we get a tape drive to back this up? by mjwx · · Score: 5, Informative

    An LTO-6 drive costs about $2500, and it stores 2.5TB of data on a $50 tape. That is about half the price of a comparable hard drive. If you have more than 100TB of data to store then tape becomes cheaper (that is, the savings for the tapes exceeds the cost of the drive). Tape is also a bit less fragile during transport/etc, and likely more reliable than optical media unless you buy the expensive stuff (which certainly isn't any cheaper than tape).

    The advantage of tape has always been it's nigh-indestructibility. Spinning drives in comparison are pretty vulnerable.

    Tapes has a crapload of drawbacks, write speed, read speed, the fact it's sequential (random access is painful) but it remains popular because you can drop it, smash it, submerge and then freeze it and all you have to do is roll the tape into a new case. Disks have a bad tendency to fail over time where as tape is a lot more reliable.

    If you want to back up a lot of data for a short time (sub six months) then disk is good, if you want to back up data for a long time (years) and know that it will be recoverable in 5 to 7 years, then use tape.

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  7. Re:multi-drive RV tolerance?? by tchuladdiass · · Score: 5, Informative

    Rotational Vibration (RV) is the vibration the drive experiences from the platters rotating at high speed. When you put a bunch of drives in a cage, some interesting harmonics build up which can shorten the life span of the drives further. Enterprise grade hard drives are built to better withstand these vibrations, lessening the chance of failure. (At least that is what their literature says -- personally I'd mount the drives using grommets or something like what Rackspace uses [rubber bands I think?]).

  8. Re: Switched double speed half capacity, realistic by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Informative

    If it's the outer most tracks, sure. More surface area = more bits. As such, that 1/3rd would be physically narrower making the actuator arm not having to swing as far back and forth when reading/writing to that partition. As a bonus, the outer most track also has faster throughput as more bits fly under the head vs the inner track regardless of RPM.

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  9. Re:Can we get a tape drive to back this up? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    That was true about a decade ago. Since then, the companies have been able to come up with a much better glue to hold the bits to the tape.

  10. Re:Can we get a tape drive to back this up? by WuphonsReach · · Score: 5, Informative

    Agreed - tape is a good choice as soon as you:

    - need removable backup storage that gets swapped daily and goes offsite (legal reasons)
    - have the budget for multiple tape drives, including a spare at your offsite disaster recovery location
    - have enough data that you need an auto-loader
    - have someone to babysit the tape drive on a daily basis, swapping in tapes in an organized fashion, replacing tapes based on usage history (not when they break), and run period cleaning tapes

    The tape drives are $2-$5k each, you should always have at least two of the current generation, in case one breaks. Individual tapes are $40-$60 and you're going to be buying 50-60 per year if you follow a normal setup (daily backups, one tape per week gets pulled for permanent storage, etc.)

    For smaller companies, hooking up a 1TB or 2TB USB drive to the server and running a backup is about the limit of their technical proficiency (and limits of their budget). For $800, you could buy 6 or 8 USB drives and have them rotate them out on a weekly basis.

    Sure, it's not a daily backup with permanent retention offsite. But it's generally more foolproof then tape (or less fiddly). And it's a lot easier to sell a $800 backup solution then a $8000 backup solution. Plus you can start with a $400 solution, then slowly add more drives to the pool over time to get better historical backups. Older, smaller, USB drives can be repurposed for other uses as you slowly increase the size of individual drives. Not as easy to repurpose old tape drives or media that is now too small.

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  11. anyone remember when by confused+one · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anyone else remember when 10MB was a decent size disk and 30MB was huge? Man I'm getting old...

  12. Re:multi-drive RV tolerance?? by dnavid · · Score: 5, Informative

    Rotational Vibration (RV) is the vibration the drive experiences from the platters rotating at high speed. When you put a bunch of drives in a cage, some interesting harmonics build up which can shorten the life span of the drives further. Enterprise grade hard drives are built to better withstand these vibrations, lessening the chance of failure. (At least that is what their literature says -- personally I'd mount the drives using grommets or something like what Rackspace uses [rubber bands I think?]).

    Actually, multi-drive rotational vibration tolerance is a design feature whereby the drive is designed to be capable of withstanding and tolerating induced rotational vibrations from outside the drive. Enterprise drives are normally designed to minimize the vibrations they generate and induce into their surrounding chassis. But on top of that, being able to dampen vibrations induced from the outside and function optimally can significantly improve the performance of the drives. In enterprise environments where performance is important, disk drives can theoretically tolerate a lot of vibrations by simply temporarily ceasing reads and writes until their read/write heads get back into alignment. But those pauses force the drive to wait for at least a full rotation before they can try again to read the same blocks. If this happens frequently the performance of the drive can be significantly degraded even if the drive lifetime isn't impacted. Multi-drive RV tolerance is not just about surviving the vibrations, its also about being able to function optimally without having to degrade performance when in a (relatively) high vibration environment, as is often the case in large high-density drive enclosures.

    Without this feature, you can sometimes find your 4000 IOPS spindle array delivering only 2000 IOPS at random times, and not know why.

  13. Re: Switched double speed half capacity, realistic by apraetor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually I think the goal is to use the innermost tracks on the disk. The linear read speed is slower, you're correct that the outer tracks are faster, but the inner tracks have lower seek times.

  14. Thaaat's Great... by fellip_nectar · · Score: 5, Funny

    We'll just put your data onto your new Seagate drive... aaaand it's gone!

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  15. So how quickly can you fill up a 8TB Seagate? by danknight48 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd guess 2TB, before it fails.

  16. Re:Seagate failures by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

    The drives used in external enclosures are sub-standard. Since the whole package only comes with a minimal one or two year warranty and they can easily point to any slight mark on the case as signs of abuse they put the weakest, borderline drives in them.

    Many people don't realized that drives are binned that way at the factory. All drives have a certain number of bad blocks from new. Those that have very few become server grade drives, the majority become standard internal consumer drives and those with very many surface errors get turned into external drives. The number of errors the drive starts out with affects the number of available spare blocks and the time before it develops further errors.

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