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Kernel Developer Dmitry Monakhov Arrested For Protesting Ukraine Invasion
sfcrazy (1542989) writes, based on a report from Ted T'so, that Kernel developer Dmitry Monakhov was detained for 15 days for disobeying a police officer. The debacle came about when Monakhov decided to protest the recent invasion into Ukraine by Russian armed forces.
Monakhov is using Twitter to keep people informed about his experience with the Russian judicial system; a human translator can probably do a better job than Google in this case.
Hell, in udots, disobeying a police officer's a hangin offence.
(If you make i to a judge)
Hey, no, this story has the following buzzwords:
Kernel
Ukraine
Russian
Invasion
Guaranteed to bring page views. And you, you... inconsiderate clod, you think it's not a relevant story? Bah! Many buzzwords disagree with you!
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
Russia is back to totalitarianism, the only thing that still missing for a full return to Soviet era are bread lines and mandatory people's rallies. With sanctions brought by Putin's military aggression theses are not too far away.
Feel free to stop reading Slashdot. I've looked through your posting history and you don't offer anything constructive, informative or insightful in your comments, so we won't miss you at all.
Can we get stories about when kernel developers go to the bathroom as well?
This is hardly anything that matters or belongs on slashdot. Hans Reiser slaying his wife ... okay, sure, that meant the end of reiserfs effectively. One kernel dev serving time for a basic civil disobedience charge? Who cares? Its about as important as Bennett Hasleton rants about things he utterly fails to understand.
When the Nazis came for the kernel developers,
I remained silent;
I was not a kernel developer.
When they locked up the dissidents,
I remained silent;
I was not a dissident.
When they came for the musicians,
I did not speak out;
I was not a musician.
When they came for the humans,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a human.
I'm Vladimir Putin.
I completely disagree.
Why bull**** about "global warming" is important "news for nerds" and information about kernel developer / russian invasion on Ukraine is not important?
I think Slashdot was much more intesting 10 years ago than it is now, but your comment shows that this direction is not accidental.
A cultural invasion perhaps.
Lots of huff and puff from Ukraine about a Russian invasion, but no evidence. Did you hear about the Russian convoy the Ukrainians 'eliminated'. Big recruiting potential lost only because the forgot to take a photo? hmmm
The 10 Russian paratroopers that accidentally strayed in to Ukraine? Oh those ones who were swapped for 63 Ukrainian soldiers who strayed into Russia.
[i]Cui bono?[/i]
Nato has a big conference this week. Recent events should allow sensible governments to increase defense spending during a time of austerity.
The Ukraine forces are getting the asses handed to them on a plate by a well organised farming cooperative.
Hey, guys, do you think if I include a a well demonstrated scientific fact in quotation marks, suddenly everyone will start believing in a global conspiracy with literally no point like I do?
Science is news for nerds.
The impact of major world events on technology is news for nerds.
Petulant whining about what subjects you personally don't care about is comments for assholes.
One would hope the headline would say. Linux? OpenBSD? FreeBSD? OSX?
Trolling is a art,
information about kernel developer / russian invasion on Ukraine is not important?
Because it's a personal interested story about some guy protesting something that his government did and getting arrested for it .. oh and BTW he's a kernel developer.
TFA has fuck all to do with the state of Russian/Ukraine protests - so it doesn't even count as politics
It is barely tangentially a technology story - oh noes if a kernel developer goes to jail, what will happened to my precious ^w Linux
I am Slashdot. Are you Slashdot as well?
I wonder when I'll find a technology news site that understands what is technology and what is news relating to technology. Perhaps next time I'll read a story about how a kernel dev was wiping his ass, got abit onto his fingertip, went to take a look and a sniff then got some onto the tip of his nose.
ooohhh oohhh money want banana
How about sticking to stories that potentially affect the future of our species because of how radically it has subtly altered the world around us.
SUBJECT: Ukraine and NATO
MEMORANDUM FOR: Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany
FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)
We the undersigned are longtime veterans of U.S. intelligence. We take the unusual step of writing this open letter to you to ensure that you have an opportunity to be briefed on our views prior to the NATO summit on September 4-5.
You need to know, for example, that accusations of a major Russian "invasion" of Ukraine appear not to be supported by reliable intelligence. Rather, the "intelligence" seems to be of the same dubious, politically "fixed" kind used 12 years ago to "justify" the U.S.-led attack on Iraq. We saw no credible evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq then; we see no credible evidence of a Russian invasion now. Twelve years ago, former Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, mindful of the flimsiness of the evidence on Iraqi WMD, refused to join in the attack on Iraq. In our view, you should be appropriately suspicions of charges made by the US State Department and NATO officials alleging a Russian invasion of Ukraine.
President Barack Obama tried yesterday to cool the rhetoric of his own senior diplomats and the corporate media, when he publicly described recent activity in the Ukraine, as "a continuation of what’s been taking place for months now it’s not really a shift."
Obama, however, has only tenuous control over the policymakers in his administration – who, sadly, lack much sense of history, know little of war, and substitute anti-Russian invective for a policy. One year ago, hawkish State Department officials and their friends in the media very nearly got Mr. Obama to launch a major attack on Syria based, once again, on "intelligence" that was dubious, at best.
Largely because of the growing prominence of, and apparent reliance on, intelligence we believe to be spurious, we think the possibility of hostilities escalating beyond the borders of Ukraine has increased significantly over the past several days. More important, we believe that this likelihood can be avoided, depending on the degree of judicious skepticism you and other European leaders bring to the NATO summit next week.
Experience With Untruth
Hopefully, your advisers have reminded you of NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen’s checkered record for credibility. It appears to us that Rasmussen’s speeches continue to be drafted by Washington. This was abundantly clear on the day before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq when, as Danish Prime Minister, he told his Parliament: "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. This is not something we just believe. We know."
Photos can be worth a thousand words; they can also deceive. We have considerable experience collecting, analyzing, and reporting on all kinds of satellite and other imagery, as well as other kinds of intelligence. Suffice it to say that the images released by NATO on August 28 provide a very flimsy basis on which to charge Russia with invading Ukraine. Sadly, they bear a strong resemblance to the images shown by Colin Powell at the UN on February 5, 2003 that, likewise, proved nothing.
That same day, we warned President Bush that our former colleague analysts were "increasingly distressed at the politicization of intelligence" and told him flatly, "Powell’s presentation does not come close" to justifying war. We urged Mr. Bush to "widen the discussion beyond the circle of those advisers clearly bent on a war for which we see no compelling reason and from which we believe the unintended consequences are likely to be catastrophic."
Consider Iraq today. Worse than catastrophic. Although President Vladimir Putin has until now showed considerable reserve on the conflict in the Ukraine, it behooves us to remember that Russia, too, can "shock and awe." In our view, if there is the slightest chance of that kind of thing eventually happening to Europe because of Ukraine, sober-minded leaders need to think this through very carefully.
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Naff off to the lot of you !!
Since when Slashdot copypastes CNN headlines?
As if it was not enough for them having to deal with being called dicks on account of Vlad the Impaler, now they have to deal with people who like brag about puttin their Vladimir in.
Won't someone please think of the Vladimirs?
Soon we are going to be hearing about disappearing kernel developers....
At least we arent to that point yet
information about kernel developer / russian invasion on Ukraine is not important?
Because it's a personal interested story about some guy protesting something that his government did and getting arrested for it .. oh and BTW he's a kernel developer.
TFA has fuck all to do with the state of Russian/Ukraine protests - so it doesn't even count as politics
It is barely tangentially a technology story - oh noes if a kernel developer goes to jail, what will happened to my precious ^w Linux
So I assume you wrote similar comments to all news about 9/11 or any american politics, which is not related to technology at all? Or do you mean that Ukraine is not important while USA is?
So I assume you wrote similar comments to all news about 9/11 or any american politics, which is not related to technology at all?
Nowhere in TFA is there a discussion of politics or the state of protests, and the only relation to technology is that the guy *happens* to be a kernel developer - which is not even germane to TFA
If after 9/11 /. had run a story about how some random kernel developer got dirt in his computer after the towers came down (and that was the only topic of the story) I would have reacted just the same.
If however, TFA included summary and discussion of the state of pro-Ukraine protests *within* Russia and/or use of technology to mobilize said protests, and what the Kremlin was doing to subvert said protests/technology, then yes, that would have made it worthwhile to see.
Or do you mean that Ukraine is not important while USA is?
That's a pretty lame attempt at trolling.
I am Slashdot. Are you Slashdot as well?
Good. He should learn his place in society, and will, through reeducation. This idea that people can defy their government without consequences is ridiculous.
Can we get stories about when kernel developers go to the bathroom as well?
This is hardly anything that matters or belongs on slashdot. Hans Reiser slaying his wife ... okay, sure, that meant the end of reiserfs effectively. One kernel dev serving time for a basic civil disobedience charge? Who cares? Its about as important as Bennett Hasleton rants about things he utterly fails to understand.
Yea, a war between 2 of the largest countries in Europe isn't "news that matters" at all. The imprisonment of Kernel developers for their political beliefs, nah... who cares right?
1. Technology does not exist in a vacuum. Slashdot readers sometimes pretend this is the Online Journal of Bits and Bytes, but it ain't so. What happens in the outside world directly affects what practically every company, university, and engineer works on from day to day; not to mention our quality of life apart from work.
Yesterday we had a story of a major iCloud hack. This would've been somewhat interesting if the victims had been, let's say some sorority sisters attending college in the southern part of the USA. The fact that the victims were Jennifer Lawrence, Kirsten Dunst and Kate Upton made it a story of front page importance, not just on Slashdot but on general newspapers and news sites worldwide; and a much more difficult problem for Tim Cook and Apple.
The NFL thought that the issue of domestic violence was completely unrelated or orthogonal to its mission of organizing professional football games. They just found out otherwise, big time. When a major social or political issue shows up on your doorstep, it's generally a bad idea to stick your head in the sand or some other dark place.
2. This *is* a technology story, and not just because Monakhov works on the Linux kernel. Monakhov has chosen social media as the vehicle for his dissent. While the internal infrastructure of Twitter may not be super interesting, the disruptive effects of social media on nearly all major industries, and on governments, is profoundly interesting, worthy of ongoing discussion here on Slashdot.
3. The effectiveness of civil disobedience depends on support from lots of people outside the region in which the incidents are taking place. Monakhov has identified himself as a kernel developer and is specifically asking for support from the FOSS community. Others may be appealing to their respective external communities as well. If they're ignored, the Russian authorities will feel no risk in shutting them down, or worse.
The more people who know about the developer, the safer he is, at least while he is being harassed by relatively minor officials. We should be happy to accept a post or two about a nerd who is under threat by a government seeking to hide the truth about a military invasion.
Science is done best when it is done with the free exchange of truthful information and ideas. A nation which hides the truth is operating in a way fundamentally contrary both to the ideals of the open source community and to the spirit of intellectual exploration.
Nerds who don't care about that aren't nerds at all. There are a lot of diatribes about the authenticity of geekdom or nerdery. Most are just people trying to identify with one group or another and somehow believing the label affects their status in a way that people around them care about. But at the core of all Slashdot-related identities lie knowledge, intellectual expression, and the taking of joy in the exchange of information.
Oh shut-the-fuck up asshole. You know full well the fact that human factors are undeniably warming the atmosphere is completely distinct from the minutia of the models.
You just want to "correct" me.
Was he arrested for subversion? He should assure them he's a git user! *rimshot*
I knew that bastard TJ was a nerd. Kidding aside, there's the old expression that knowledge is power. The NSA, et al monitoring, then, is the sort of unbridled power that would make the founding fathers scoff in disgust. There's a reason why Putin's connections to the FSB is so frequently pointed out and this whole situation with Russia is good reason to scoff, minimally. But, then I guess Putin is just another example of power going to one's head and corrupting. This is precisely why action should be taken in the US now before we actually do have the sort of de facto dictatorship that Russia is experiencing. And, as you say, it's predicated on knowing about these things.
This is a far bigger story — as far as humanity is concerned — than some thug being shot by a wannabe-cop fearing for his life. At least, it has an open-source developer in it. And he is doing a noble thing too — a rare thing among Russians lately, I must add.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
And we drop the pretense nuanced of understanding the models for boring denier talking point that reflects a piss-poor understanding of both the measurement methods and the most basic attributes of climatology(like inter-annual variation).
Yeah, okay, so you didn't want to "Correct" me out of some more detailed understanding, but instead we're #2 or 3 ranked item in pseudoscientist tactics. You were trying the "It's complicated so any scientific attempt at understanding is foolhardy compared to my outright absurd forgone conclusion" line.
Do you like being like the creationists? Like the Homeopaths? Engaged in the same inanity? Does that make you feel good about yourself?
I'm not trying to claim that Russia is 'good', but did you notice "Monakhov is using twitter to keep people informed about his experience with the Russian judicial system."? I don't know any people in the US that are allowed to keep their cell phones and tweet when arrested. I have seen people told to turn off their phones or be arrested, I have seen cops threaten to kill journalists (see the cop in Fergusson that was suspended for doing so), and I know that protestors that are arrested have their devices confiscated. The only reason we ever see wrong doing in our jails/prisons is due to leaked video from surveillance cameras, not because someone tweeted something.
So is the US a more totalitarian system than Russia? Before you "but the Ukraine" remember that US agencies spent over 5 billion dollars to help the revolt in the Ukraine so bears at least some responsibility for what's happening. Is the Ukraine going be be that much better off under EU control? Has not turned out so well for many in the EU (Greece/Spain/France, and the anti-EU party is huge in the UK today) so you will have to really sell me on that one. That, and this should be the choice of the Ukrainians as a whole.
These are complex issues so the answers are complex. Something to consider is that since I have been alive the US has been involved in more wars and killed more people than any other country on the planet. Many of the known conflicts were started on complete fabrications (Vietnam, 2nd Iraq). Would ISIL be as big of a problem today if the US was not funding and arming rebels in Syria, had not armed and funded rebels in Libya (and even provided air cover and bombed targets? Would we have so many problems if we were not continually killing innocent people when trying to assassinate alleged terrorist leaders? Would we have so many problems in the middle east if we had not armed, funded, and trained the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan in the late 80s?
The point here is that the US is not just an altruistic police force, simply helping those in need. We should be questioning these issues at a much deeper level than just repeating talking points.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Not by very much at all, what with 1998 being the warmest year and all.
Aside from 2005, 2006 and 2010, of course. And unlike 1998, those years didn't even have the benefit if a strong El Niño . Yes, 1998 is certainly warmer than any previous year on record, but that fact doesn't exactly support your position.
And note Arctic ice percentage climbing again in last two years.
From a all-time record low. Hasn't really made much of a recovery from before that dip, unfortunately.
Hmm, the mainstream models are not panning out.
I'm not aware of any mainstream models in which Arctic ice decreases strictly monotonically each year. Could you please provide some citations?
Ever so slowly the anti-Ukraine revolution folks quietly slither off to dark corners as Russia compounds its crimes in Europe. Gone are claims of "nazi junta" — the youth of Eastern Ukraine that fought off Putin's puppets are looking wiser with each passing day. Unlike Putin's subjects, they at least aren't subject to political "reeducation."
Sorry, you're using multi-year averaged graphs (and probably the IPCC which go higher than NASA's).
Yes, Arctic ice making year on year recovery for now, but sure that can change. I just like reality rather than hoopla.
Ice minimum not decreasing, is increasing, your last sentence contains fallacy.
Or anything other than this? I mean, "detained for 15 days" - is that like "arrested and jailed for two weeks (or whatever) for disobeying a police officer", that happens in the US all the time? And at least he didn't put his hands up and yell "I'm not armed", and get shot down by the police officer.....
Now, for you slashdotters who have no clues whatever, who've never actually, you know, gone out to a protest in the RW, in their meat bodies, here's what actually happens: a) there's the folks in the legal protest area; b) if it includes this, there's the civil disobedience area, where they sit down, and the cops arrest them and put them in a holding tank in jail, c) there's the roving civil disobedience, and d) there's the crazies and agents provocateurs who break windows, or (rarely) burn cars, etc.
Now about a news story: where was Dmitry, and how did he happen to face a police officer, and what happened? The story, as posted, is not a story, just a few tweets by the guy in question.
mark
You are being silly, just talking of preference of one of infinite number of methods of averaging. That's fine but don't claim that one particular one has to be intrinsic to "climatology" (perhaps one major university in the world has field of study recently created named that, normally degree that would be in a couple other realms for a serious scientist, instead "climatologist" mostly a tag for agenda driven pseudo scientists at the IPCC).
You sure are a source of amusement for those of us who have studied geophysics (not "climatology")
"We" means the collective readership of Slashdot. If you can't figure that out, you are very dumb. If you think war4peace is a positive contributor to Slashdot, you are even dumber.
If you think Vladimir Putin cares how many people know about this guy, you are sadly mistaken. Look how long Pussy Riot members were imprisoned. The only thing Putin cares about is showing people how powerful he is.
Ok, this being offtopic aside, please tell me how long you think Pussy Riot would have been imprisoned, if they'd have "performed" in St. Patrick's cathedral, or, better, in another somewhere in the bible-belt?
Why aren't you Poles so mad about Germany? You're not getting your kingdom back anyway.
Haha. "Geophysics."
Geophysics
Priceless. That's a great word to use in a "you don't know what you're talking about" speech.
I don't get you guys. You have no clue exactly how mindlessly you're parroting things that you read on a blog somewhere, and me pointing it out is going to result in another angry tu quoque. I can't even imagine what series of thoughts that you might have had that lead you to go "I got you now!" with geophysics. But they aren't anywhere near sane.
Here's what people who actually study geophysics focus on in case you still don't grok why you reached peak stupidity.
What's important is that people are dying there for the profit of a a few people. What's not important is your belief, implanted in you by the mass-media that there's an "invasion" going on, which you so gladly jump on, because of your personal, hostile attitude to Russia. Go eat an Apple, fucker!
30 days
Apple != Oranges - In your example, the band would likely get busted for trespassing on private property, then would go to court and have at least some semblance of due process. In TFA, dude got locked up for "disobeying a police officer", which is a bit more ephemeral (and way too generalized) than trespassing would be.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
Ms. Timoshenko, could you please go and get laid?
Look how long Pussy Riot members were imprisoned.
In Russia, disobeying a police officer (more exactly "disobeying a legitimate order by a police officer") is the most common charge against people who dare to criticize official policy on public. Basically, if they can't charge you with anything significant for some reason (or just don't want to), they use the "disobeying..." charge. It does not mean that person charged actually violated any law.
Oh, why didn't you say so.
War of words is escalating, I see, need to get people ready for next step.
In the quiet words of Virgin Mary... come again?
You might wanna read this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...
That, to start with. Of course, if "lately" doesn't mean "last 6 months" or something like that.
When many other people get flat-out killed in too-many-to-count conflicts all around the world, you'd think this is a big story?
To me, a death is bigger than an imprisonment, regardless of person. The idea of "celebrity" is artificial, as far as I'm concerned.
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
Would you say he'd be safer because the story appeared on Slashdot? Come on...
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
Yey, I have a stalker! Woo-hoo!
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
In the US they call it "disorderly conduct" or - wait for it - "disobeying a police officer", and people are frequently taken into custody for it. 15 days lockup is fairly harsh, overnight would be more usual, but I doubt it would be difficult to find people locked up for that long in the US on equivalent charges.
So what is the actual date of invasion?
With so many conflicting stories, most are nonsensical claims by Ukraine TWTR users cited as official news, it's hard to keep track.
I fully agree with you, but searching all over I can find exactly 1 satellite photo claiming to be Russian made armor. Of course the huge problem in claiming this is actually Russian is that nearly every country in Eastern Europe uses Russian made tanks, artillery, helicopters, aircraft, etc... I have see no satellite images that tracked any movement from Russia to the Ukraine.
Don't speculate on the few exceptions to the rule about Russian weapons, you said we can't argue with different facts. I want facts proving that these 10 whole vehicles are both A) Really from Russia and B) really are in the Ukraine. 10 vehicles does not constitute a "full scale invasion" either, no matter what you try to claim. If you are using facts, where is this full scale invasion? Facts please!
Lets also not speculate on Russia building up troops next to the Ukraine. If Mexico was undergoing a massive revolt with lots of military action you can bet your ass that the US would have troops along the Texas and Southern California borders. As a soldier in West Germany (pre-unification) I saw Russian troops all along the East German border, because NATO built up a massive force for an 'exercise' and was operating near the border. So again, these types of activities are _normal_ and _expected_. If you have any doubts ask yourself why every time something happens near a friendly country the US sends huge naval forces into the zone.
I'm not claiming there are no shenanigans by Russia, I'm claiming that you are following the political hype and not looking at facts either. Facts show no such massive invasion, facts show less activity than the US has been using in the Middle East. I have seen no Russian bombers attacking Ukrainian positions, I have seen no columns of mobilized armor like we saw in Georgia, I have seen no cruise missile or rocket attacks.
After I weigh your 'facts' I'll be happy to hold a rational dialogue on opinions. Just remember however that there are numerous 'facts' that don't necessarily back your opinion. Such as Blackwater being in Kiev prior to the coup, and the sniper rounds that were shooting at both the pro government and rebel forces was the same weapon and same armor piercing rounds. A US official was caught collaborating to choose the new leader a few days before the coup. The endowment for democracy spent over 5 billion dollars in the Ukraine prior to the protests starting, etc... etc... In other words, there are plenty of shenanigans to go around.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
No rarer, nor more common than in other times. There are more than 143.000.000 Russians living in Russia after all...
I don't know what forces lie behind the current push towards portraying Russia - the country - as enemy of the 'West' again and the similar push to portray 'the West' and NATO as enemies to Russia but I can only hope that, intelligent as those who frequent this site are supposed to be, you don't give in to this pressure. While the course currently taken by the Russian leadership shows a clear lack of historical insight and will eventually lead to their downfall (with great risk of lives to many, both actively engaged in the pipe-dream of Novorossiya as well as those who just happened to be in the wrong spot at the wrong time) this does not mean they have the moral support of all of those 143.000.000+ Russians. Just like bad decisions by other governments don't turn their subjects into boogeymen.
It is a strange game, the only way to win is not to play.
--frank[at]unternet.org
Yes. And the support for Putin rose from around 50% to 90+% among them all, when he invaded Ukraine at the end of February and annexed Crimea. That cut down the number of decent Russians from (roughly) 71.5 mln to 14mln. Dmitry Monakhov is among them.
These forces are pro-Kremlin Russians (see above), eager for a revanche over USSR's loss of Cold War. They are joined by those Westerners, who are paying attention.
Putin is very popular in Russia today. The handful, who — like Mr. Monakhov — oppose him, are noble. The rest are not...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
This is funny... Nobel was a last name of the man, who set up the annual prize. Becoming a laureate does not automatically make one noble (Yassir Arafat and Barack Obama are two most obvious examples.)
Yes, it does mean something like that. Support for Putin in Russia shot up , when he invaded the "brotherly nation". Thus, the vast majority of Russians today are rather ignoble... Even the "liberals" among them (referred to as "liberasts" by the pro-Kremlin majority), who acknowledge, that seizing Crimea was illegal, still feel, that it was nonetheless just somehow.
That Mr. Monakhov is not only opposing Putin, but is not afraid to make it known, makes him an outstanding Russian indeed. That he also happens to be an open-source developer, makes the story new /.-worthy.
Neither this story, nor the earlier one I referred to, are about people killed in conflicts around the world.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
" Support for Putin in Russia shot up when he invaded the "brotherly nation"."
Same was for Bush support when he decided to send troops to Irak.
Average people rejoice when they smell blood. It's the same for pretty much every nation out there.
When YOUR people invade OTHER people, it's a good thing. When OTHER people invade YOUR people, it's a bad thing. When neither are YOUR people, you support the ones who you like more (or hate less, or bring you more power, or are allied to, etc)
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
Are you equating Iraq with Ukraine?!... Wow... Let's see. You confused Mr. Nobel with "nobility". And you spell Iraq with a "k". Must be a Russian...
It was a good thing — Saddam Hussein did to Kuwait, what Putin is doing to Ukraine right now, and under very similar pretexts.
We kicked him out with his tail between his legs, but did not pursue so as to "give peace a chance". A chance, which Saddam Hussein has blown over the course of 10 years. We were justified in resuming hostilities much earlier than that, but Clinton didn't have, what it takes. Bush did.
What? Ukrainians are not "our" people? That's a relief. At least, you aren't claiming, the Maidan revolt was organized by American spies... Maybe, not all is lost in Russia after all...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
I'm Romanian, and I hate Russia more than any US citizen does, because we were directly affected by communism for almost 5 decades. And yes, in my language it's "Irak". Sorry if that offends you.
Also that feeling of entitlement "USA should be police of the world" is the sole reason so many countries hate the USA with a passion.
Civil wars are civil wars. Dictatorships are dictatorships. Yes, that sucks for the population, but it's an internal affair. No foreign country has any right to set foot on any other country's sovereign territory unless the latter attacks another country and the attacked one officially asks for support. Furthermore, once the invader has been driven off, the activity should stop there. Yes, impose sanctions if you wish, embargo the shit out of them, but don't set foot on their territory.
The USA has meddled with too many countries' internal affairs for unilateral reasons. "We think you're uncivilized so we're gonna civilize you according to our views". No. That's wrong. It might uplift them (or so you'd think) but it would trample their (probably weird and backward, to you) way of living. Let them be "uncivilized" if they wish so. But no, you haven't, and billions of people dislike you now, and it will take decades for that dislike to wear off, provided, of course, the USA would stop further meddling activity completely.
I think there's more people in the world who dislike the USA than people who dislike Russia. Think about that.
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(Disclaimer: I don't hate, dislike, loathe USA. I surely hate, dislike, loathe Russia)
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
Intercepted conversation was published in local Pskov media, editor was heavily beaten for these activities,
snapshot from cache, original publication was taken down:
http://web.archive.org/web/201...
Authentic rude Russian language, swearing every second word, sorry it may be hard for automatic translators.
Describes to caller activities of his team of about 90 troopers on territory of Ukraine at 10AM of August 20th, with about 80 killed on spot.
For those, who still can't see war going on: nothing new - you are supposed to continue your way.
Servant of karma
Do you mean the humanitarian aid convoy that the Nazis in Kiev want to halt at all costs? Just cut the bullshit already and stop trying to sell this as a fucking invasion.
If Russia wanted to invade Ukraine, there would be no pretext, and it would be over in a matter of hours.
We who have studied geophysics know it includes climate drivers such as insolation.
You are ignorant, educate yourself before spewing first.