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Oregon Suing Oracle Over Obamacare Site, But Still Needs Oracle's Help
jfruh writes Oracle and the state of Oregon are in the midst of a particularly nasty set of lawsuits over the botched rollout of Oregon's health care exchange site, with Oregon claiming that Oracle promised an "out-of-the-box solution" and Oracle saying that Oregon foolishly attempted to act as its own systems integrator. But one aspect of the dispute helps illustrate an unpleasant reality of these kinds of disputes: even as Oregon tries to extract damages from Oracle, it still needs Oracle's help to salvage the site.
Then I guess all of the folks of Oregon will just have to grow cannabis and self medicate till this thing blows over.
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Using Oracle. Even their flagship DBMS product is a nightmare to configure and try to get decent performance out of - unless one hires a 6-figure DBA to constantly babysit the damn thing.
this is how disputes over large projects between large organizations are almost always handled, nobody takes their ball and goes home just because something is disputed unless one or both organizations have a serious cult of personality issue.
Snowden and Manning are heroes.
probably not the way to build a long term relationship based on trust
why does it need a court case to define contract terms? It's OOTB or it's something which requires a vendor integrator. Which is it? What does the advertising say? Why did Oregon agree to the contract without reading it first? I'm not going to buy a car until I've taken it round the fucking block, okay?
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
How in the fuck is someone going to fix their site without the help of the guilty party?
Option 1: Delete all, start over
Option 2: Oracle fixes whatever went wrong in the other states
One option is really obvious, the other is expensive. We should all shit down Chris Kanaracus's neck for this.
A lot of folks sue Oracle.
When you charge a lot of money then over-promise and under-deliver, it's inevitable.
“Oracle wouldn’t be my first choice but it sounds like they put it up for a bidding process and when everyone saw how complicated the project was, Oracle’s the only one that hung in there.”
“It’s hard to judge the quality from the outside, but if you look at their front end website, there are a lot of things they didn’t do. When you look at their technology practices, even the ones we can see from the outside, it’s obvious they didn’t put their ‘A’ team on this. So, yeah, I do think that Oracle didn’t do a good job and they probably shouldn’t have taken it in the first place, because they’ve taken on something it would be impossible to do a good job on.” ref
1. You hired Oracle.
2. You hired Oracle.
Trusting in Oracle (or any other company of that kind) is your first mistake. When you realize that mistake, you sue Oracle. Well and good. Now you want to salvage the mess that Oracle made, and you need their help? That is even more foolish. Why should Oracle help you now? Just give it up already, swallow the cost (and the pride) you already paid, and go on the Federal site.
--- Andy West http://andywest.org
I may work in an organization that:
1) Uses Oracle.
2) Hires a big consulting firm to tell them how to save money.
There isn't a lot of respect for management in the trenches.
For some reason companies and individuals believe they can just jump right into ACA and develop a website that can meet all the requirements. That is not the case what so ever. Integrated Eligibility systems have been around for 2 decades, and there are teams that specialize in them. Just because it is a website, doesn't mean it is easy. You have historical legation that you must understand, then you have state specific customization on gray areas of the law.
These systems can range from 500k to 6 million lines of code. For a company to come in and produce the average, 3 million lines of code, within a year, including the entire SDLC process is insane. But that is what ACA was. The federal system had 3 years, but some of the states started late and only had 1 year from start to finish.
Summary: ACA was high risk, if you didn't know what you were doing.
Of course you'll be stuck holding the bag, they have you in a very unenviable position!
And just forgo the messiness of charging filthy lucre for anything at all. In Oregon you should be able to walk into any hospital or doctor's office and get whatever you need, instantly for no charge, Just double or triple everyone's taxes to pay for it. What's the big deal.
To hire an industry coordinator but Kitzhauber let the clowns do it in house.
Oracle wrote a letter to them warning of potential problems without proper project management.
Oracle was only contracted for limited aspects of the project "time and materials".
Oregon (Kitzhauber) needs to cut it's losses and pull the plug on "Cover Oregon".
I think they think it is some kind of honey pot they are going to skim revenue from, but so far all they have done is squander millions of my tax dollars for something the feds already provide.
Rick B.
They should settle out of court. Both sides are guilty of multiple questionable practices. Making it public damages the reputation of both sides and slows fixes.
Table-ized A.I.