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Buenos Aires Issues a 'Netflix Tax' For All Digital Entertainment

New submitter DoILookAmused writes A few years ago, the Argentinean government implemented a 35% tax on all offshore buys using a credit card. In yesterday's press release, the city of Buenos Aires announced it will charge a 3% gross income tax for all streaming or media purchase abroad allegedly to bring it to "competitive prices with local media companies". This tax doesn't supersede the national 35% tax, which has sparked several reactions.

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  1. To the slashdotters of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Argentinian here.

    Please understand that policy in Argentina is usually just the result of the guys on top wanting more hookers or coke. Usually both. There is no justification to these taxes whatsoever other than "we want to steal more money for ourselves, but we already stole everything in sight... so we need you idiots to put more money in this account here so we can steal it."

    Argentina is very much like your neighborhood friendly African nation, only with less ebola and civil war.

    1. Re:To the slashdotters of the world by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why do you think we would have assumed that Argentina is different from the rest of the world?

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    2. Re:To the slashdotters of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The guys on top should switch to Pepsi.

    3. Re:To the slashdotters of the world by bobbied · · Score: 2

      The guys on top should switch to Pepsi.

      No, Royal Crown!

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    4. Re:To the slashdotters of the world by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is the same shit here in Brazil. 60% tax in all international purchases made by individuals under the guise of "protecting" a nonexistent national industry (nobody makes Intel i7 in Brazil as far as I know).

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    5. Re:To the slashdotters of the world by khellendros1984 · · Score: 2

      Why not Royal Crown spiked with Crown Royal?

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    6. Re:To the slashdotters of the world by rogoshen1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Argentina in the 50's was also on track to become a first world developed nation -- with GDP per capita on par with that of France (and ahead of Germany!) =(
      Considering the lack of bombed out factories, a missing generation of working age men, what happened exactly?

    7. Re:To the slashdotters of the world by whistlingtony · · Score: 2

      Ahem. I'm forced to point out that neoliberal is not liberal... I'm afraid many people don't know that neoliberal is a technical term in economics. From Wikipedia: "support for great economic liberalization, privatization, free trade, open markets, deregulation, and reductions in government spending in order to enhance the role of the private sector in the economy."

      Or basically "capitalism with the gloves off"

    8. Re:To the slashdotters of the world by whistlingtony · · Score: 2

      I should also note there have been a LOT of coups in Argentina, and the US has been behind at least the ones in the 70s... This is known, not conspiracy. Kissinger gave the green light himself, and those records have been recovered under a FOIA request.

    9. Re:To the slashdotters of the world by mjwx · · Score: 2

      Why do you think we would have assumed that Argentina is different from the rest of the world?

      In Argentina, there are better hookers and coke.

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    10. Re:To the slashdotters of the world by slimshady76 · · Score: 2

      Every south-american country sent their military to the School of the Americas, where US military taught them how to torture and impose fear. After that, it was a matter of time before the US embassies started pushing for coups in the whole region... Those things were said to be necessary to combat Marxism and left-winged governments down here. Kissinger also was to blame for the assassination of Salvador Allende, the Chilean president. Here in Argentina that costed us over 30000 missing people. Many of them were talented scientists. But the military in charge during most of the '70s believed all knowledge is dangerous, so they wiped out a whole generation... Like I said above, in response to another comment: we suffered those things 30-40 years ago, not the same methods are being used in the developed countries. I'm talking about imprisonment without fair trial, torture, imposition of minimum wages, and general income transfer from the lower part of the populace to the top.

  2. Oh, Argentina by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those who don't know, Argentina is on the brink of economic collapse yet again. Their occupying government has ruined the currency with wishful thinking as if it didn't just happen a decade or so ago. They've been trying to negotiate away all the bad debt they've run up and not everybody is letting them off the hook this time. Like good bureaucrats they're probably looking to tax anything that moves.

    3% tax on Netflix? pfft - last time they confiscated pensions and retirement accounts. Oh, sorry, they didn't confiscate them, they replaced the negotiable cash value of them with government-backed bonds. Which rapidly fell to zero value.

    FWIW, the US DoL floated an RFC on 'protecting' retirement accounts by replacing them with bonds a few years ago. Nobody should be undiversified in their retirement savings jurisdictions.

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    1. Re:Oh, Argentina by Kjella · · Score: 5, Interesting

      For those who don't know, Argentina is on the brink of economic collapse yet again. Their occupying government has ruined the currency with wishful thinking as if it didn't just happen a decade or so ago. They've been trying to negotiate away all the bad debt they've run up and not everybody is letting them off the hook this time.

      Actually, it is the old debt default from 2001 causing them to default now. In two rounds in 2005 and 2010 some 92% of their creditors agreed to cut 65% of their debt through new bonds - over a barrel, of course. The last 8% want all of it with full interest, but they're not getting anywhere in Argentinian courts. However, now they've gotten a ruling in a US court that Argentine can't pay interest on the new bonds without also paying them in full. Which Argentine can't, because part of the agreement with the other 92% is that nobody else will get a better deal so it would invalidate everything. They could make a backroom deal to make somebody else buy out the last 8% and swap for new bonds, but that's basically paying these guys off and setting a very, very bad precedent for later debt negotiations.

      Instead they decided to play hardball back and just default, meaning those 8% get nothing - and neither do the 92% who agreed to new bonds. It's basically a giant game of chicken, who backs down first - Argentine because they want to get back on the international financial markets or will the last 8% figure 35% today is better than dreaming of getting their 100% + interest back forever. Argentine actually manages their finances quite well at the moment, being cut off from international credit means they've had to bring their budgets in balance and from the looks of it they can stay defaulted for quite some time.

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    2. Re:Oh, Argentina by beltsbear · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Close. Argentina did not play hardball. The US courts confiscated the money they had access to preventing the payments to the 92%. Argentina will not fund those payments anymore if the US courts re going to take the money before it gets to it's intended recipients.

    3. Re:Oh, Argentina by paazin · · Score: 2

      It's basically a case of the US courts showing to the world that countries may not want to work within the US system to deal with bonds as it fair serious hindrance to sovereignty. The council on foreign relations stated it was probably one of the worst decisions in recent court history and could potentially move a great deal of finance from New York to other hubs.

    4. Re:Oh, Argentina by stdarg · · Score: 3, Informative

      Argentina was forced by some creditors to sign agreements giving jurisdiction to US courts because the creditors did not trust Argentinian courts. Argentina bartered their sovereignty on the issue for better credit terms, now they are crying because they are being held to those terms by a court that is not corrupt and subject to their own control.

      This whole deal shows the world that:
      1. If you're selling bonds and plan on ripping everybody off, do not mess with US courts because they are not scared of your shithole government and they will confiscate your "sovereign" asse(t)s
      2. If you're buying bonds from risky countries, do so under a stable jurisdiction like the US otherwise you can be completely screwed by some populist who thinks you're a criminal because you bought what they were voluntarily selling

  3. thats to spendy by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    a 35% tax on all offshore buys using a credit card

    With that kind of tariff how long till all out of country purchases are made with bitcoin?

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    1. Re:thats to spendy by SydShamino · · Score: 3, Interesting

      At that rate, I bet there's a market for Argentinians to mail me cash, which I'll use to establish them a Paypal account. Hell, if Paypal and I both take 10% they still come out on top.

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    2. Re:thats to spendy by bobbied · · Score: 4, Interesting

      At that rate, I bet there's a market for Argentinians to mail me cash, which I'll use to establish them a Paypal account. Hell, if Paypal and I both take 10% they still come out on top.

      Well, that would be great, if they could send you cash. If you want to take Argentina's currency, you are a fool, and if you require dollars, they cannot legally get them to send to you. If they could, they'd all be out moving all their local currency into dollars already.

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    3. Re:thats to spendy by terbeaux · · Score: 2

      The country is under reporting inflation. Some peg it at 30%. The best way to hedge against inflation is to borrow a lot the currency that is devaluing and then purchasing something that holds its value. Bitcoin fits the bill nicely. Unfortunately, there is a limit on the amount of foreign transactions an Argentine can make. Listings on the Argentine "eBay" are selling BTC in pesos for twice what it is worth in the USA: http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-520567302-bitcoin-btc-la-moneda-del-futuro-_JM This is probably dubious from a legal standpoint but selling mining contracts seems to be popular on the site as well.

    4. Re:thats to spendy by mysidia · · Score: 2

      No customs stamp, no delivery.

      Not a problem for digital products delivered over the network.

  4. No llores por mi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Brazil is becoming Argentina
    Argentina is becoming Venezuela
    Venezuela is becoming Cuba

    1. Re:No llores por mi by bobbied · · Score: 2

      Cuba is becoming?

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    2. Re:No llores por mi by Flavianoep · · Score: 2
      With all this human rights violations by the police, stagnant wages and salaries, and concentration of riches, I daresay that pretty much that US is becoming Brazil.

      Brazil is becoming Argentina
      Argentina is becoming Venezuela
      Venezuela is becoming Cuba

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    3. Re:No llores por mi by deesine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cuba? Oh yea, that place with all the old Chevys.

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  5. Re:IRS Planning the same by digsbo · · Score: 2

    You see wrong. I have contacts in the financial services industry who believe that a significant partial appropriation through asset conversion to US bonds is unavoidable. When a knowledgeable, successful, financially prudent person who works in financial services forgoes the tax benefits of keeping retirement assets in a qualified account, you should certainly consider there's something to it.

  6. 35% Tax is not a tax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    35% Tax is a prepayment of income tax ("Impuesto a las ganancias") So, my credit card charges me that 35%, but then my employer discounts that from my income taxes. It is a stupid system, but not a new tax.

    As for the 3%. All companies offering services here have to pay gross income taxes. Otherwise, every foreign company can come here, make profit and take it all to their home countries, leaving nothing for us. The netflix tax is tottaly fair.

    1. Re:35% Tax is not a tax by mspohr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Thanks for explaining the 35% fee is actually prepayment of income tax.
      This is probably useful for getting some income tax from people who buy stuff but somehow manage to declare no income.

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  7. Re:IRS Planning the same by roman_mir · · Score: 4, Interesting

    U.S. Hikes Fee To Renounce Citizenship By 422%

    To leave America, you generally must prove 5 years of U.S. tax compliance. If you have a net worth greater than $2 million or average annual net income tax for the 5 previous years of $157,000 or more for 2014 (thatâ(TM)s tax, not income), you pay an exit tax. It is a capital gain tax as if you sold your property when you left. At least thereâ(TM)s an exemption of $680,000 for 2014. Long-term residents giving up a Green Card can be required to pay the tax too.

    Now, the State Department interim rule just raised the fee for renunciation of U.S. citizenship to $2,350 from $450. Critics note that itâ(TM)s more than twenty times the average level in other high-income countries. The State Department says itâ(TM)s about demand on their services and all the extra workload they have to process people who are on their way out.

    You are no longer born a free person, you are born into slavery. You have to buy your freedom and the price will keep going up. At $450 the price was already 4.5 times higher than in most other countries. Now it will be nearly 24 times more than for other countries.

    You should be able to renounce your citizenship and leave for free, instead you are going to be prevented from leaving at all eventually, they'll jack up the price to the share of your national debt that you are born into and that is borrowed on your behalf by your government and only the wealthiest slaves will be able to get out. They will definitely prevent you from leaving eventually if you have any debts at all, including your student debt. The 2350USD change is starting on the 12th of September 2014, you can still get out at a low low price of 450USD.

    Those walls they are building on your borders, they are not there to keep others out, they are there to keep you in. IRS is part of that system.

  8. Sad by Nicopa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm form Argentina and it saddens me that this post comments will fall among these categories:

    • Peple saying "don't cry for me XXX".
    • Argentines explaining that Argentina is the worst country, worse than the worst.
    • Uninformed right-wing people talking about Cuba, communism.

    Even the summary is wrong! That 35% is not a tax, just a pre-payment of the income tax that you can recover.

    All hope is lost.

  9. Re:Debt or tax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People cannot at the same time complain about debt and taxes. Debt is there because there is not enough taxes.

    So lowering the spending is not an option?

  10. Re:35% is high, yes, but ... by mjwx · · Score: 2

    The standard sales tax (VAT) in Greece is currently 23% for most things. (It varies, but that's the most common.) That's on top of the punishing property taxes, income taxes, taxes because you left your money sitting in a bank, taxes because it's Monday, etc. I jest, but only a little.

    The thing with Greece is not the high tax rates, it's the high rate of tax evasion. They'd probably need half the tax rates they currently have if every person and corporation paid taxes... but you'd need to get rid of the government graft too... erm... good luck with that.

    So I'm not sure if Greece is a good comparison to Argentina, I know they have the govt corruption but what's the tax evasion like?

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  11. Re:They won't be crying by Xest · · Score: 2

    Yeah because protectionism is well known to be a great way to grow your economy.

    I'll give you a hint- if you stop your people buying from everyone else, they stop their people buying from you. Then who the fuck do you expect to sell anything to to grow your economy? Unless you can become entirely self-sustaining at that point you're screwed, exactly as Argentina currently is.