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Bill Gates Wants To Remake the Way History Is Taught. Should We Let Him?

theodp (442580) writes With his Big History Project, the NY Times' Andrew Ross Sorkin reports that Bill Gates wants to remake the way history is taught (intro video). Last month, the Univ. of California system announced that a version of the Big History Project course could be counted in place of a more traditional World History class, paving the way for the state's 1,300 high schools to offer it. Still, not everyone's keen on the idea. "Is this Bill Gates's history?" asks NYU's Diane Ravitch. "And should it be labeled 'Bill Gates's History'? Because Bill Gates's history would be very different from somebody else's who wasn't worth $50-60 billion." Of the opposition to Gates, Scott L. Thomas of Claremont Graduate University explains, 'Frankly, in the eyes of the critics, he's really not an expert. He just happens to be a guy that watched a DVD and thought it was a good idea and had a bunch of money to fund it."

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  1. In Soviet USA by MarcosYXY · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oligarchs make history

    1. Re:In Soviet USA by mdtiemann · · Score: 1, Insightful

      ^ Good one! Is this better (when read with a thick Russian accent): In Soviet USA, history is subject of oligarchs.

  2. Hell no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Every time he messes around with education he picks a real loser. FWIW it's the same with all his philanthropy. He's an utter moron. Just watch any talk with him on the same stage as Bill Clinton, and watch them answer the same question...it's painfully obvious what a self-absorbed moron Gates is...

    1. Re:Hell no by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      FWIW it's the same with all his philanthropy. He's an utter moron. Just watch any talk with him on the same stage as Bill Clinton

      I don't think you can call someone who got a perfect score on their SAT an utter moron. Misguided, or confused perhaps, but he's surely got some intelligence.

      That's beside the point though, if you had the money, how would you use it philanthropically to make the world a better place?

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    2. Re:Hell no by whereiswaldo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My personal point of view is that high school history was full of dates and names and difficult for me to memorize. I did not find it interesting, even though on paper my teacher was a published author and one might assume was doing a fine job teaching. Fast forward to my adult life and I have found many sources of interesting historical accounts and am more interested in history now than I ever was. The interplay of different events on different parts of the world is fascinating.

    3. Re:Hell no by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This.

      What is important is that historical event A caused historical event B, which lead to historical event C. Not whether event A happened in 1674, 1675 or 1676.

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    4. Re:Hell no by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really? Evil? I don't buy it one bit. He sold a set of software products that companies wanted to buy. Products that were no fun to support, of course, or for geeks to use in many cases, but let's please not confuse "icky" with "evil".

      Right now people are being beheaded in the middle east for the crime of minding their own business while having the wrong religion. That's Evil. Something like 1300 girls we're allowed to be used as sex slaves - raped over and over for years - in a developed nation because of misguided notions of political correctness. That's evil. Windows ME was merely icky.

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    5. Re:Hell no by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What economic damages? I don't get it. Are you complaining that MS bought a lot of small software companies the way every large tech firm does? Are you complaining that MS products weren't as good as you'd have liked (compared to what? IBMs offerings at the time? please).

      I've never understood the burning MS hatred on Slashdot. Yes, MS had a lot of second-rate products, but so do most companies in the world!

      People will complain about anything, but it pisses me off to see people who likely give nothing at all to charity complaining that someone who does isn't doing it the way they would.

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    6. Re:Hell no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I actually found that quite good. They're kind of teaching Algebra in a way.

    7. Re:Hell no by Aryden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Had we not learned from history, would we have the nation that we have today? Had we not learned from history, would we not have the sciences, art, and great works of this day? All of our greatest accomplishments in time have been based on an event, person or persons in history. History, whether you like it or not, makes us the people we are today. Should we forget about the wars our nations fought? Should we forget about the civil advancements of our past generations?

  3. So long as it is consential by Karmashock · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think his "common core" plan has largely backfired because it was rolled out on a federal level and states were pretty much strong armed into it.

    I'd be more comfortable with these changes if they were OFFERED and not at gun point.

    Our education system could be improved in a lot of ways. But those improvements should be optional to the education systems and not compelled.

    Here some people will say "well we didn't force them to do the other thing." but that's often not true because they're often offered a lot of money to adopt new programs. the money they're offered comes from federal coffers. The money in federal coffers comes from everyone. So basically you lose money if you don't sign onto the program because the government will then take money from you and give it to someone else. The only way to get your money back is to adopt the program.

    So that's an issue. These cash payouts to states and cities for adopting federal programs needs to stop unless states and cities that do not adopt programs get a relative tax decrease. Such that if a given state didn't sign onto these things they didn't pay for them.

    Absent that they're being compelled and I do have a problem with that.

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    1. Re:So long as it is consential by supercrisp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Common Core as a set of curricular guidelines isn't bad at all. The problems I see are: 1), the "coercion" -- cash-strapped districts really do have to jump at any money, so they rush into implementation; 2) more high-stakes standardized testing; that shit has already dominated and f*cked-up education; 3) corporate domination; Pearson and others stand to make fat, fat stacks of cash on the tests and the materials, and that's why they all poured money into the campaigns. I've seen first-hand what the Person vertically-integrated education ecosystem is like. They sell you shit in development, shit that doesn't work, and shit that's just plain shit. I hate them. NB: college professor at an institution that had a contract to use only Pearson; spouse is in instructional tech and shares my opinion. The best thing we could do is hire more teachers, pay them a little better, and start doing something to reduce the stranglehold that corporations like Pearson have on the education system. Stuff like Kahn Academy is fine, but I don't think online education gives students what they need, which is contact with an educated, adult mentor/teacher. (And, yeah, I know, a lot of teachers we have now don't fit that bill, but that's what young people need.)

  4. "He's really not an expert" by emgarf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, he's just somebody that at least occasionally tries to improve the world instead of just commenting on other people's efforts.

    1. Re:"He's really not an expert" by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A factual statement followed by a mischaracterisation followed by a statement that really doesn't mean anything but is supposed to sound like it does.

      And we're supposed to accept this rather poor attempt at being clever in lieu of logic.

      Yes sir, we are indeed on Slashdot.

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  5. Re:More "1%" crap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So why is his wealth being held against him?

    Because he chose to amass it, he chose the methods he used to amass it, he chose to keep much of it for himself, and he chooses how to invest the remainder.

    A person can be judged by their actions, you know. And the judgment will affect the context in which further actions by that person should be judged. Why don't we let foxes into hen-houses?

  6. The trouble with billionaires by mbone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'Frankly, in the eyes of the critics, he's really not an expert. He just happens to be a guy that watched a DVD and thought it was a good idea and had a bunch of money to fund it."

    That is exactly and precisely why it is not a good idea to let billionaires run your country. Having had dealings with billionaires, I can also say that he left out one thing, that such a person is almost inevitably going to be surrounded by a bunch of people (including in the press) who think that any idea he has is worthy of adulation.

  7. Re:should be an interesting history of computers by volmtech · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just last night I downloaded an anatomy textbook from cnx.org, an education site partially funded by the Gates foundation. The PDF of the 1337 page textbook is clear and bright. Free beats several hundred dollars and not an ad in sight.