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NSA Metadata Collection Gets 90-Day Extension

schwit1 sends word that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court has authorized a 90-day extension to the NSA's ability to collect bulk metadata about U.S. citizens' phone calls. In April, the House of Representatives passed a bill to limit the NSA's collection of metadata, but the Senate has been working on their version of the bill since then without yet voting on it. Because of this, and the alleged importance of continuing intelligence operations, the government sought a 90-day reauthorization of the current program. The court agreed. Senator Patrick Leahy said this clearly demonstrates the need to get this legislation passed. "We cannot wait any longer, and we cannot defer action on this important issue until the next Congress. This announcement underscores, once again, that it is time for Congress to enact meaningful reforms to protect individual privacy.

73 comments

  1. Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What the fuck? Just how much are these scumbags being paid off? I have difficulty believing someone could be that corrupt just for the hell of it, so I'm certain there's a big bribe--I mean, "campaign contribution," in it for them.

  2. Re:New ports are coming to ease shortage with IoT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    16 bits versus 16 + 8 bits.

  3. Fucking Government doesn't care about US by Nyder · · Score: 4, Funny

    I mean, seriously, wtf is the problem here. This is against the constitution. You know, the laws you the government is supposed to be holding. In fact, you are being called on it, Congress said Fuck you on this shit, the Senate is being slower on it, so that means it's okay to continue violating our rights for 90 more days?

    Fuck you and fuck no!

    I guess for the next 90 days, American citizens should ignore Federal Laws. I mean, if they want to play this way, we should play back.

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    1. Re:Fucking Government doesn't care about US by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 2

      Actually, while the 4th amendment was extended around the '50s to protect telephonic communications, no such extension has been made yet to cover electronic communication. That's the real problem, this is still constitutional because our government is stuck in the 20th century.

    2. Re:Fucking Government doesn't care about US by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      You do understand that congress can say a lot of things that do not have the effect of law right?

      As for being against the constitution, you are probably correct. But until congress actually changes a law, the courts- baring a sudden rash of common sense/dignity, and declaring it unconstitutional- has no choice to follow existing law which is what happened.

    3. Re:Fucking Government doesn't care about US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The real problem is we shouldn't even need to pass these laws in the first place and whether it becomes the law or not I don't see them stopping anytime soon. When the law screws up they get a paid vacation.. When we screw up we get prison time.

    4. Re:Fucking Government doesn't care about US by sumdumass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Umm.. the 4th amendment has never been extended. Advances in technology were finally found to be covered by it but that was not an extension of the 4th, just a leap of common sense by the courts. The 4th does already cover electronic communications and it is still unconstitutional (person, papers, and effects).

      The problem is that the so called metadata is being considered separate from personal papers and effects and considered to not fall within the constitutional provisions of the 4th amendment. Congress attempted to claim it was and proscribed a means of getting a warrant mostly for a dog and pony show and this extension is simply that warrant. However, because it doesn't describe the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized, it is still just lip service with slight of hand tricks to appease some people.

    5. Re:Fucking Government doesn't care about US by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      what logic is there that would make this constitutional? what part of the 10th amendment is so hard for people to understand? If its not written in the constitution itself, the federal government has no authority

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    6. Re:Fucking Government doesn't care about US by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bullshit. The Supreme Court damn well knows the 4th Amendment (and the rest of the Bill of Rights) should be interpreted broadly, so as to limit the government as much as possible. They just don't give a fuck because they're partisan, totalitarian bastards!

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    7. Re:Fucking Government doesn't care about US by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      You got modded funny - not sure why. Anyone ever heard the name "Ferguson" before a bunch of black folks decided to, as you say, "play back"? Until white folks learn to be "disobedient with good intent", they'll be slaves to richer white folks.

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    8. Re: Fucking Government doesn't care about US by bigpat · · Score: 1

      The fourth amendment doesn't need to be "extended" by laws. The fourth amendment is a limitation on what laws and government action are constitutional. The current and proposed mass surveillance laws are a blatant violation of the 4th amendment and so are the actions of the Obama administration.

    9. Re:Fucking Government doesn't care about US by Cytotoxic · · Score: 1

      what part of the 10th amendment is so hard for people to understand? If its not written in the constitution itself, the federal government has no authority

      I think they pretty much began ignoring that amendment before the ink was dry. They say social security is the third rail of politics, but the 10th amendment is even more off limits. Properly enforced, the 9th and 10th amendments would outlaw most of the activities undertaken by the federal government.

      So no, not gonna happen. Not now, not ever.

    10. Re: Fucking Government doesn't care about US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the 9th admendment that is relavent

    11. Re:Fucking Government doesn't care about US by sjames · · Score: 1

      No extension is needed at all if we had reasonable people in government (I know, belly laugh time) especially in the courts (OK, I'll stop before you break a rib).

    12. Re:Fucking Government doesn't care about US by Froggels · · Score: 1

      ..the 4th amendment has never been extended. Advances in technology were finally found to be covered by it

      I always cringe whenever I hear the word "to find" used like this as if they actually uncovered some previously unknown truth hidden within the Constitution. These actions were never "found" to be in compliance with the Constitution. Instead they were just declared to be after limited tenuous debate. Even a 9th grader can recognise this as a blatant violation of our basic rights, but hey, the Supreme Court "found" that it's ok, so there nothing left for us to do than just suck it up.

    13. Re:Fucking Government doesn't care about US by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

      March on Washington --leave all comms home, btw.-- and get them out. Remember Romania? Egypt? That's how it's done.

    14. Re:Fucking Government doesn't care about US by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Find and debates to conclusion are the same when talking about court actions. No, nobody looked down and discovered a trail to the constitution. It's a process with the results called a finding and in the past tense, found. When used with a court's statement, find, found, and declared to be after limited tenuous debate have the same meanings.

    15. Re:Fucking Government doesn't care about US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are of course correct. This is a gross violation of the constitution amd should be an criminal offense carrying stiff long term prison sentences.

      The problem. The leaders that are supposed to be protecting the constitution are the same ones violating it by funding these activities. (on both sides of the aisle).

    16. Re:Fucking Government doesn't care about US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, while the 4th amendment was extended around the '50s to protect telephonic communications

      You have it precisely backwards. The U.S. constitution only grants powers to the government. Unless it is explicitly stated
      telephonic communications are not protected, then they are.

      Are you a moron, new to the country, confused, deceived, lying, an immigrant, jet-lagged, hungover, high?

      Seriously, this is Constitution 101 stuff that kindergartners know.

      That's the real problem, this is still constitutional because our government is stuck in the 20th century.

      Nope, Travis Mansbridge is just hopelessly confused and/or lying. Seriously, WTF?

    17. Re:Fucking Government doesn't care about US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the law screws up they get a paid vacation.. When we screw up we get prison time

      It is worse than that. Mr. Greenwald can tell you all about it. When the law screws up, they all get retroactive immunity, and the elite criminals ("public" government officials and "private' entities alike, although there is little differencce) never even enter a courtroom, so prison time is never even a possibility, it is explicitly disallowed from ever being a possibility.

      Not only do they get a vacation, not only does the law merge with private companies and profit off of our tax dollars, they grant themselves perpetual immunity.

      Don't you see? If there is no trial, they never "screw up" so there is no law-breaking going on. If they were criminals, they'd be in jail already.
      Don't you get it? They are innocent, otherwise they would be taken to court. But, since they have granted themselves perpetual immunity, they
      must be innocent. QED.

      State secrets, you see. In Soviet U.S.A., "law" never screws up.

    18. Re:Fucking Government doesn't care about US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe if you understood that legal systems use the term finding [thefreedictionary.com] differently

      Way to ad hominem. Noone cares what terms "legal systems" use. If "legal systems" are allowed to make up and define words, then the entire Constitution is meaningless. Your "legal system" and "findings" have no validity UNLESS they comply with the Constitution, you moron.

      I realize that you think "the law" is superior to anything else, but that is precisely backwards. Poster did take action, told you weasel words are cringeworthy. And you fire back with more weasel words. What a slimy little schmuck.

      I realize that you seem to think the Constitution is making you read Slashdot, and then blaming others when you are offended. What a crybaby. Oh my, your "legal rights" are being infringed upon. Run to the courtroom and marry it if you love it so much. The world is so much better off that you can bitch yourself without taking any action whatsoever. We are all so much better off that you condescend to us, and enlighten us.

      The house is on fire, and you are first to point out "no, it is merely aflame." How helpful and sagacious. What would we do without you?

    19. Re:Fucking Government doesn't care about US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem. The leaders that are supposed to be protecting the constitution are the same ones violating it by funding these activities. (on both sides of the aisle).

      Worse than that, they are writing the laws, granting themselves retroactive immunity. It was already against the law, it was already against the law for telecoms to do the governments bidding, if it is illegal, REGARDLESS of "executive orders" or "the NSA says so" or the NSA's favorite "It's our job!" .

      Greenwald can tell you all about it, read his books. The "leaders' and telecoms are writing the laws. This stuff was already all illegal, that has just been ignored and now there is retroactive immunity. So, if things never enter a courtroom, nothing is illegal, there is no law-breaking going on.

      Hard to refute that logic. If they were criminals, it'd be illegal. They can't be criminals, because they are our "leaders" so they decriminialize their acts after the fact, and explicitly grant themselves immunity. Therefore, there is no violation. If they were violating things, they'd be in court already, don't you see? If they never go to court (because that is now disallowed), there is no violation, ever. History and reality and truth be damned. Existing laws be damned.

    20. Re:Fucking Government doesn't care about US by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Way to ad hominem. Noone cares what terms "legal systems" use. If "legal systems" are allowed to make up and define words, then the entire Constitution is meaningless. Your "legal system" and "findings" have no validity UNLESS they comply with the Constitution, you moron.

      Actually, it is the other way around. Because legal system have defined words, the legal meaning will never change and always be understood to mean a certain thing unlike what the common usage of words allows. It is within this framework that the constitution can be understood.

      The rest of your comment is directed at the AC who got modded down so I will not go there. But it is important to understand that habeas corpus will always mean the same thing as will other words defined by the legal system- even if they are understood differently outside of it.

  4. Re:New ports are coming to ease shortage with IoT by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

    Which metadata do the NSA collect?

    If you know that then you can "carpet bomb" them with useless metadata rendering the logging useless.

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  5. That's right. Election time is near by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    Speeches must be made, and dinners must be eaten. And of course, checks must be signed, or however they do it with all this new electronic banking stuff.

    And I know we can count on 98% you to reelect 95% of these people back into office, and they'll fix everything right up. Yep, that's just what they'll do.. Iron clad guarantee.. Like Desktop Linux, reform is just around the corner. And day now...

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  6. Why bother? by SumDog · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why even bother getting an extention? We all know the program will continue anyway.

    1. Re:Why bother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes but they needed a reason and method as to how.
      Now we know. This is it. It remains up and running as long as the details of shutting it down remain "pending".

    2. Re:Why bother? by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Why even bother getting an extension?

      So that we'll deserve it?

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    3. Re:Why bother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes but they needed a reason and method as to how.

      Nonsense. They'll just break the law until the next dictator-in-chief is in office and then get a retroactive amnesty like they already did previously for telecom companies colluding with the government in breaking the law.

      They can pass laws for or against the data collection or delay passing laws for against it: it will do absolutely no difference. The only difference it makes is in how much bullshit and redaction ink they are going to feed judges involved in cases based on their eavesdropping.

    4. Re:Why bother? by Livius · · Score: 1

      By changing the law, even only cosmetically, we now need *new* proof of the law being broken.

      Without the proof, there's no actual uncertainty that the law is being broken, but a lack of evidence is one more obstacle to action.

    5. Re: Why bother? by bigpat · · Score: 1

      Bingo. A change to the law gets the courts off the hook to declare mass surveilance unconstitutional. The current laws EXPIRE SOON, so any new law is a cynical attempt to extend mass surveillance. Anyone supporting a new Patriot Act extension now should be shamed publicly as an enemy of Liberty.

    6. Re:Why bother? by irq-1 · · Score: 1

      Why even bother getting an extention? We all know the program will continue anyway.

      Because the FISA court put the NSA on Double Secret Probation

  7. The first of many. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All they have to do is not come to a finalized consensus, huh?
    You know, a huge part of our medical issues up here in canada are caused the exact same way. Part of the budget is used to pay the committee in charge of determining how the budget must be administered.

    There's not much left by the time it gets allocated that's for sure.

  8. Re:New ports are coming to ease shortage with IoT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which metadata do the NSA collect?

    If you know that then you can "carpet bomb" them with useless metadata rendering the logging useless.

    Congratulations on your logic here.

    Now if you could just convince the other billion people they are monitoring...you know, so it doesn't make your "useless" shit stand out so much.

    Not that you were looking to bring attention to yourself or anything...

  9. Beware the 'Metadata' straw man by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fuck you and fuck no!

    That's the spirit. Things have got to change, But first, you gotta get mad!

    All of this furor is over call and subscriber data being sent to the NSA directly on a regular basis. If I wanted to build a computer platform capable of storing and doing queries on this information for the whole United States I could probably assemble one off the shelf for a couple grand.

    I would not need a water-cooled data center in Utah, centrally located so you can lease dark fiber to carry multiple terabit streams into it. Among other data centers in other parts of the country which are in planning, already constructed, or just manage to stay under the radar because they were built from the black ops budget. I would not need secret agreements (negotiated voluntarily or by threat) with service providers to tap and split optic cables.

    This issue of NSA bulk metadata collection is a straw man, a distraction to divert attention from NSA's full content backbone tapping capability. It is a little duck set loose for Congress to shoot down, so they can hold up the dead duck as they pose for a group photo, leaning on their rifles.

    The horrifying truth is -- if and when, possibly now -- NSA has enough backbone taps in place, they would already have access to this data that is being sent to them. In the modern world there are but a few major telecoms and their call data converges at central billing and collection points. The telecoms would gladly keep these links unencrypted or leave the keys in the mailbox for a nudge nudge wink wink absolving them of public ire.

    Even the judges are stalking this duck and believe me, they are relieved when the topic of conversation fixes on call data rather than bulk content interception. That is because there is legal precedent for law enforcement collection of so-called 'pen trace data' without warrants, and they have a leg to stand on.

    I'll serious money that if YOU were to ask any member of Congress a very specific and impeccably worded question about bulk content collection and backbone taps, you would get a clumsy response about call metadata. And move on to the next question. It is that insidious.

    NSA has crossed the line. It needs to be completely disbanded, its secret assets colocated at Tier 1 and Tier 2 exchanges completely disconnected, dismantled and sold at auction. Its employees sent home. Or we're all fucked.

    LYNCHPIN of warrantless spying: Hepting v. AT&T
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    RAISE CONGRESS, while you still can!
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    1. Re:Beware the 'Metadata' straw man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If I wanted to build a computer platform capable of storing and doing queries on this information for the whole United States I could probably assemble one off the shelf for a couple grand." ... you have no idea what you are talking about ...

    2. Re:Beware the 'Metadata' straw man by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

      [$2000] you have no idea what you are talking about

      Yeah I did pick that out of my backside, could have added a couple of zeroes. But hmm...

      If every one of the 700 million currently assigned numbers in North America makes 3 calls an hour on average, that's ~1.5 trillion call records per month. Plus duration and a bit of geolocation data if available, we're only interested in unique number queries (not ranges) so keys are hashable, no strings, write once read forever... this is really a best case database.

      Yup, need to add a zero to buy the disk space. $20,000. Add another zero for a cloudlike platform with several years' data that's not down a third of the time for record maintenance.

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    3. Re:Beware the 'Metadata' straw man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could definitely manage this with off the shelf hardware with about 100k budget I'd imagine and some clever programming, say you're storing the data in json format you could have an object like {name: JohnDoe, email: 123@emailfake, metaData: { "$binary" : "H4sIAAAAAAAAAO1abW+cSBL+K4jP49l+B+bDSeOXbHy}} where your metaData is a massive json object containing all the relevant details you need to investigate that is gzip compressed on the fly when saving and uncompressed on the fly when viewing, you only need minimal keys available for searching, this also doesn't take into account using things like full drive compression, I'm sure a couple Xeon PHI coprocessors could handle all the compression/uncompression as well which would only set you back about 25 grand along with an i7 machine and say 32gb of ram, add a massive NAS or offload to the cloud should be doable.

  10. Dammit!!! Give Obama some time!!! by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    He'll spring into action as soon as he gets back from playing the 9th Hole.

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    1. Re:Dammit!!! Give Obama some time!!! by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      hasnt been able to stop it? He has expanded and extended the patriot act! Take the blinders off man

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    2. Re:Dammit!!! Give Obama some time!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Republican rule of our government is why this spy program exists, and why he hasn't been able to stop it.

      You are not wrong, but Obama is a Republican as well. There is "the elite" and "everyone else." The "rule" is non-existent.

      There are just "rules" for us and "state secrets" for them and their buddies. It makes no different who is an (R) or a (D) or even
      an (Independent) or an (Socialist) under this "rule" of government. It is just "us" and "not us."

      Obama is part of "one of us" and you are part of "not one of us" so it makes no difference about orders being overturned or not, "nothing he can do" and so forth. "This spy program exists" because of three-letter agencies. They have no affiliation or loyalties to anything beyond themselves, if anything you could call them communists who infiltrate and conduct economic sabotage, espionage, and other treachery and treasonous activities.

        There are no "laws" to follow besides "this move benefits us today" and "this move benefits us tomorrow" and there is no U.S. law applied whatsoever, let alone (R) or (D) "ideologies" or "principles" that have any bearing on their actions whatsoever. They don't care about international law, why would they care about your measly little U.S. laws? Or your stupid little parties that pretend to believe certain things?

      You think they care if they have a little (R) or (D) next to their name? They care that they are in power and you are not. You can call them socialists and fascists and they could not care less. They are "in power" and you are not. Not that hard to grasp.

      You know what we call Republicans and Democrats who keep promises and uphold principles? The poor loser who got beat and did not get any
      funding, got outspend in ads, never made it to the debate (or pushed their way in, to be told they were not popular enough, so it is a waste of time to participate), and never got elected.

  11. OMG, THE TERRORISTS WILL WIN!!!!!! by Required+Snark · · Score: 3, Funny
    It's critical that the constitution of the US remain invalid for another 90 days because if the NSA doesn't have their anal probes in the asses of every person in the world then

    the terrorist will win and Osama Bin Laden will return from the grave and institute Sharia law and take away our bacon cheese burgers and beer and NFL/NBA/MLB and get rid of all the booze like prohibition and make everyone bow to Mecca five times a day and keep girls from walking around in shorts because you know THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    1. Re:OMG, THE TERRORISTS WILL WIN!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's critical that the constitution of the US remain invalid for another 90 days

      It has been invalid for much longer than that. There haven't been a day in your entire lifetime when the government followed the constitution.
      No-one is willing to do anything about it so it will continue that way.

    2. Re:OMG, THE TERRORISTS WILL WIN!!!!!! by TheP4st · · Score: 3, Funny

      take away our bacon cheese burgers and beer and NFL/NBA/MLB and get rid of all the booze like prohibition and make everyone bow to Mecca five times a day and keep girls from walking around in shorts because you know THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      You got it all wrong it never were about hate of our freedom, it is a genuine concern about the obesity problem the US is having and they figure dietary restrictions, exercise 5 times a day greatly would improve the issue, and fat asses in too tiny shorts... Well, most of us rather not see that.

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  12. The U2 virus... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    has been more effective than any I've seen before. It shutdown our network several times since Friday. We use VoIP so it also shutdown our phone lines. It just show how fragile our infrastructure is when one band that hasn't been relevant in thirty years can destroy the Internet in this way. We don't need someone as powerful as the NSA to shutdown the Internet. U2 did it just fine with their attack.

  13. There is nothing as permanent... by rusty0101 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...as a limited time approval of the FISA courts.

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    1. Re:There is nothing as permanent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another variation of the Mickey Mouse Protection Act, I guess.

  14. they really think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    that legislation, even if passed into law, will curtail the actions of the three letters? especially the super secret types?

    1. Re: they really think... by bigpat · · Score: 2

      Nobody thinks that this law does anything to curtail mass surveillance. They just added some language to make it appear to restrict phone call record collection, but since everyone calls the phone company and even terrorists can order pizza or call any one of a million phone numbers that are common to everyone, then restricting the number of hops to anything more than one "hop" means they can still collect every single phone record. This law is about distraction and plausible deniability for Congress people.

  15. Re:New ports are coming to ease shortage with IoT by JonathanR · · Score: 1

    Its easy with a simple email and attachment...

  16. Re:New ports are coming to ease shortage with IoT by ganjadude · · Score: 2

    browser extentions were created for that very purpose http://qz.com/125642/new-brows...

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  17. NSA 90 day all you can eat by AchimbaProphet · · Score: 1

    Undoubtedly the NSA will make the most of this time to obtain more of everything they possibly can.

  18. Think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's important that we ignore our constitution, for the sake of the children!

    BTW, this is a fine example of how our country's system of checks and balances works. The executive branch overstepped, the legislative branch corrected them, just as it was set up to do. And the judicial branch corrected the executive branch when they tried to do an end run. What's that, neither branch corrected it? Oh. Well, who needs checks and balances when whomever the one person purportedly running the show is always right? (I'm not singling out this president, it's been several.)

  19. a phone IS ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION STUPID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just cause the type a data going down that line via the electricity is differant or changed in format doe snot mean it has no electrons in this mix....

    last time i checked it takes electricity to make all phones and pcs work....and YES even oold style phones need electricity to work...no power in the phone line its NOT WORKING

    this is just legalese bullshit buy aswipes scopping and scaming on our data

  20. Point is valid, number may be not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The point he is making is that the "queries" do not take a lot of disk space, or require much transmission time. Even if it costs $200,000 to keep a database, the point is valid.

  21. 30 Little Known Facts About America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. The IRS is NOT a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF. Diversified Metal Products v IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.I. Public Law 94-564 Senate Report 94-1148, pg 5967 Reor ganization Plan #26 Public Law 102-391

    2. The IMF is an Agency of the U.N. Black's Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg 816

    3. The United States has NOT had a Treasury since 1921. 41 Stat. Ch. 214 page 654

    4. The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. Presi dential Documents Volume 29 No. 4 page 113 22 U.S.C. 285-288

    5. The U.S. does not have any employees because there is no longer a United States. No more reorganizations. After 200 years of bankruptcy it is finally over. Executive Order 12803

    6. The FCC, CIA, FBI, NSA and all of the other Alphabet Gangs were never part of the U.S. Government, even though the 'U.S. Government held stock in said 'Agencies. &n bsp; U.S. v. Strang, 254 U.S. 491 Lewis v. U.S., 680 F.2d, 1239

    7. Social Security Numbers are issued by the UN through the IMF. The application for an SSN is the SS5 form. The Department of the Treasury (IMF) issues the SS5, not the 'Social Security Administration. The new SS5 forms do not state who publishes them while the old form states they are Department of Treasury. 20 CFR Chap. 111 Subpart B 422.103 (b)

    8. There are NO Judicial Courts in America and have not been since 1789. 'Judges do NOT enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. FRC v. GE, 281 U.S. 464 Keller v. Potomac Elec. Co., 261 U.S. 428 1 Stat. 138-178

    9. There have NOT been any 'Ju dges in America since 1789. There have only been Administrators. FRC v. GE, 281 U.S. 464 Keller v. Potomac Elec. Co., 261 U.S. 428 1 Stat. 138-178

    10. According to GATT you MUST have a Social Security Number. House Report 103-826

    11. New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Ru dolph Guiliani stated on C-Span that 'New York City is the Capital of the World. For once, he told the truth. 20 CFR Chap. 111 subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2)

    12. Social Security is NOT insurance or a contract. Nor is there a 'Trust Fund. Helvering v. Davis, 301 U.S. 619 Steward Co. v. Davis, 301 U.S. 548

    13. Your Social Security check comes directly from the IMF which is an Agency of the United Nations. Examine one: top-left should be written 'United States Treasury see 2-4 above.

    14. You own NO property. Slaves can't own property. Read carefully the Deed to the property you think is yours. You are listed as a TENANT. Often times the Mortgage Holder or the State is listed as Seised in demesne as of fee. Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1st Session Seised in demesne as of fee. This is the strict technical expression used to describe the ownership in 'an estate in fee-simple in possession in a corporeal hereditament. The word 'seised is used to express the 'seisin or owner's possession of a freehold property; the phrase 'in demesne, or 'in his demesne, (in dominico suo) signifies that he's seised as owner of the land itself, and not merely of the seigniory services; and the concluding words, 'as of fee, import that he is seised of an estate of inheritance in fee-simple. Where the subject is incorporeal, or the estate expectant on a precedent freehold, the words 'in his demesne are omitted. (Co. Litt. 17a; Fleta, 1.5, c. 5, 18; Bract. 1.4, tr. 5, c. 2, 2) Brown. "Black's Law Dictionary Fourth Edition, page 1523.

    15. The most powerful court in America is NOT the United States Supreme Court, but the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania. 42 Pa. C.S.A. 502

    16. The King of England financially backed both sides of the Revolutionary War. Treaty of Versailles July 16, 1782 Treaty of Peace 8 Stat. 80

    17. You CANNOT use the U.S. Constitution to defend yourself because you are NOT a party to it. Padelford Fay & Co. v. The Mayor & Alderman of the City of Savannah, 14 Georgia 438, 520

    18. America is a British Colony. The 'United States is a corporation, not a land mass and it existed before the Revolutionary War an

  22. The lease that never expires. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bluffdale has to have something to do with all that multi-billion dollar hardware.

  23. Re:The US was already taken over in 1817 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The tin foul is very, very strong/thick with this one. In fact this hat is a death cast of the original loony to on, pointy headed dickens.

  24. Re:The US was already taken over in 1817 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are over 100,000 staff hired by the Gov to spread lies and attack anyone who doesn't agree with them, many of them have Slashdot included on their daily routine list.

    And the smell of NSA shill is very strong with this one. The smell is so strong the reply was probably copied and pasted from some NSA standard disinformation operation manual.

    Next you're going to tell me there are no NSA shills operating on Slashdot.

  25. Joe Biden for 2016 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Joe Biden is a square shooter. Joe Biden for 2016 ...

  26. Why Trunk Groups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The recent Cspan coverage of the court case on this disclosed an interesting fact.
    A old school pin register records the called and calling party numbers and the call time and duration.
    These collections also include the trunk group which tells how the call is routed between phone switches.

    Given that they already know the end stations involved,
    this information be of little interest unless one had access to the trunks between the switches.
    This would give access to the contents of the call.

    This leads one to wonder if there may be a bit more to this story than the bulk collection of 'just' meta-data.

  27. Needed to fix the election by Squidlips · · Score: 1

    Look how successful it was with Christie

  28. Re:New ports are coming to ease shortage with IoT by kmoser · · Score: 1

    Which metadata do the NSA collect?

    If you know that then you can "carpet bomb" them with useless metadata rendering the logging useless.

    That will only generate more data points for them to use as "evidence" that you're a terrorist.

  29. Re:The US was already taken over in 1817 by rezme · · Score: 1

    I blame the lizard people personally. They have the real copy of Barack Obama's birth certificate, and it shows that he is clearly an illegal alien. From another planet.

  30. Question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court making a decision on DOMESTIC Surveillance? When did US Citizens become "Foreign" subjects?

    Seems nobody asks these questions to the courts or government assholes.