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High School Student Builds Gun That Unlocks With Your Fingerprint

An anonymous reader writes: Kai Kloepfer is a 17-year-old high school student from Colorado who just won the Smart Tech for Firearms Challenge. Kloepfer designed and built a smart gun that will only unlock and fire for users who supply the proper fingerprints. "The gun works by creating a user ID and locking in the fingerprint of each user allowed to use the gun. The gun will only unlock with the unique fingerprint of those who have already permission to access the gun. ... According to him, all user data is kept right on the gun and nothing is uploaded anywhere else so it would be pretty hard to hack." The gun can have up to 999 authorized users, and its accuracy at detecting fingerprints is 99.99%. For winning the challenge, he won $50,000 in funding to continue developing the smart gun. Some of the fund have already gone toward 3-D printing portions of the prototype.

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  1. Great one more fail by Maznafein · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just what I need in a firearm. One more area that can fail epically. Also yet another battery to carry and eventually run out of.

    Call me crazy but none of my firearms accidentally go off.

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    1. Re:Great one more fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Agree. Besides most of firearm incidents in the US are done by the actual owner of the gun. Statistically the only problem the "smart gun" solves can is already taken care of by responsible gun owners with a safe.

    2. Re:Great one more fail by BringsApples · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that one important thing that this will help end is children, showing each other their dad's cool gun(s), accidentally shooting each other. Or worse, taking the gun to school. I'm all about some guns, I own many. But I also have kids. I keep my guns in a place that keeps my kids safe, but will cost me a few extra seconds to retrieve, in the event of a break-in or something. This would allow me to keep those guns in a "faster" location.

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    3. Re:Great one more fail by cellocgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Call me crazy but none of my firearms accidentally go off.

      Standard answers apply here:

      1) Yet
      2) You're not everyone
      3) Many policemen would far prefer that their gun not be useable if someone takes it away from them.

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    4. Re: Great one more fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When you NEED a gun, waiting on a good fingerprint read could be life threatening. Apply the same tech to a fire extinguisher and see what people think.

    5. Re:Great one more fail by fremsley471 · · Score: 2

      A lot of citizens would like the 'He was going for my gun' excuse to be revoked too.
      http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

      At least he lived to tell the tale.

    6. Re:Great one more fail by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yet Another Responsible Gun Owner Shoots His Own Penis
      At least five American men have shot off their penises since 2010.

      Note that this new "smart" gun won't save you from doing this.

      Note also that an average of one such accident per year in a land of 300+ million makes it less common than being struck by lightning. So when we get that lightning problem under control, I can turn my attention to the "shooting my own penis off" problem....

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    7. Re:Great one more fail by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Agree. Besides most of firearm incidents in the US are done by the actual owner of the gun. Statistically the only problem the "smart gun" solves can is already taken care of by responsible gun owners with a safe.

      There is a keyword in there.

      Responsible

      How many people are "responsible",p> Many gun affectionados I know think your idea of storing guns in a safe is the start of the guvernment taking them away. Same for a trigger lock. All of those things slow them down if some thug comes into their house.

      Last thing they want is that.

      The problem is that responsibility thing. Google boy shoots sister, or girl shoots brother - or other similar keywords, and you'll be treated to a litany.

      Far too many people just let loaded guns sit around their house like decorations. In one case a few years ago, a young boy shot and killed his sister. When the police investigated, they found rifles leaned up in the corners of every room in the house - but these piles also had the boy's and girl's toy rifles in the same pile.The photos were disturbing.

      So the parents were tried and convicted. Their defense? You got it. Second amendment, their right to stack their real and loaded rifles and their children's rifles in the same place. Their one kid is dead, and the other is living with the fact that he gut shot her and killed her.

      My own personal experience with this sort of madness was when my son was in second grade, a child a few houses up from us comes to hte bus stop with a loaded rifle and darn near made a major adjustment to the youth population in the neighborhood. Fortunately a cool headed mother managed to get the rifle off the lad.

      Police found the same situation. Rifles and handguns laying around the house. And upon their removal, the father (his wife had wisely left him some time before, was all up in arms about his second amendment rights being violated.

      Responsibility. Children have not yet learned it.

      Sadly, neither have many of their parents. The recent killing of a range instructor by a little girl with an auto pistol showed all of that. It's s simple matter of physics that a positive feedback loop might occur in a small person not used to such a device. You want a little kid to learn how to use firearms? Use a .22 caliber rifle and have them learn from the prone position. Safest way to keep them unharmed while they learn.

      Responsibility. It should be the second half of a right. Sad to say, asking people to take responsibility brings out the knives, as the person who thinks it is a good idea is mercilessly attacked for trying to take their guns away.

      This kid who invented this locking/unlocking technology will be eviscerated by the fringe that is controlling the gun discussion today.

      Just watch the response to what I wrote. You might be surprised that I own and enjoy using multiple firearms myself.

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    8. Re: Great one more fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's a bad analogy. Let me first say I own multiple guns and would not own one of these for many of the same concerns about reliability and not seeing a need for safety theater when statistically it's not a problem worth worrying about. That said, user error when using a Fire Extinguisher doesn't the same impact as a gun so comparing the two in that manner is silly.

      What I will say is I don't understand why folks are against the development of these sorts of things. As long as it's not government mandated as the only way to get a usable tool then let it compete in the market. If it is reliable and functional enough it will succeed if it isn't it won't depending on what people want. Additionally, for those die hards even if it succeeds in the market and replaces previous models there are still plenty of normal mechanical only 1911's and .38 specials out there that can found on the used market.

    9. Re:Great one more fail by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Note also that an average of one such accident per year

      One? Are you joking? According to CDC’s WISQARS, there are about 14,000-19,000 nonfatal injuries stemming from accidental shootings per year in the U.S. That's in addition to ~500-600 unintentional deaths per year. Gun "enthusiasts" like to cite statistics on gun deaths since the rise of conceal/carry (which truly have a lot more to do with better trauma medicine), but they never want to talk about the number of shootings. If you really want to understand the extent of the damage of America's gun fetish, count the number of people who get hit by bullets.
      http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/...

      Of these about 20% are under the age of 25 and 10% under the age of 12.

      Where do you get "an average of one such accident per year" unless you are focused strictly on injuries to your penis? Although I guess there is some evidence that gun owners have issues in that regard.

      But yours is a common mistake people make when talking about guns, because they just don't know (or care) about the actual numbers. Much of the misdirected focus comes from the faulty research of the only "gun expert" that ever seems to appear in the media, the dishonest gun industry lobbyist and "researcher", John Lott whose book, "More Guns Less Crime" has been completely debunked.

      [Full disclosure: I have been a gun owner for more than 4 decades. I've qualified 3 times as an expert marksman and twice as a sharpshooter, which is the second highest marksmanship designation (not counting the pro-marksman, etc. I support legal gun ownership and very strict gun control laws.]

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    10. Re:Great one more fail by knightghost · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't forget the 2.5m crimes avoided through firearm self defense each year.

      Gotta have both sides to make an accurate measurement.

      Besides, a tool is a tool. Car, kitchen knife, chainsaw... each is a great tool but also constant injury and death.

    11. Re:Great one more fail by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Don't forget the 2.5m crimes avoided through firearm self defense each year.

      Yes, that's John Lott's number, which has been proven to be pulled straight out of his ass.

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    12. Re:Great one more fail by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

      The real number is closer to 12,000, with only about 200 cases of "justifiable homicide" with a gun. That's fewer than the number of accidental shootings.

      The "2.5m" number includes anecdotal reports of someone who believes they were not the victim of a crime because supposedly the perpetrator "thought" he "might" have a gun. It is a number which you will only find on Second Amendment "advocacy" sites.

      About three times that number of crimes were prevented by household pets, and ten times that number were prevented by dead-bolt locks and mean looks.

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    13. Re:Great one more fail by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Would you accept a report by the anti-gun Violence Policy Center that concludes there are 67,000 valid defensive uses of a firearm each year, making it slightly more likely that a firearm will be used for defense rather than for committing a crime? Reality probably lives somewhere between the points (VPC and NRA), but in either case - it's more than the criminal use of firearms.

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    14. Re:Great one more fail by Oligonicella · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, fringes always seem to get the most air and print time. Just this Friday, the NY Times admitted that "assault weapon" was a media fabrication initiated by gun control advocates - a fringe. As anybody and everybody who hits news gets "eviscerated" by some fringe loon, this is not a big deal. What is a big deal is when normally level-headed people believe that "the fringe" is restricted to only the side they disagree with.

    15. Re: Great one more fail by pla · · Score: 2

      What I will say is I don't understand why folks are against the development of these sorts of things. As long as it's not government mandated as the only way to get a usable tool then let it compete in the market.

      Why? Because at least one state HAS already mandated it - New Jersey passed that one in 2002, and only the lack of any viable commercial tech has blocked the enforcement of such mandates. And worse, Eric Holder (yes, that Eric Holder) publicly stated that he considers NJ's law a model for future NATIONAL policy.

      I don't think even the most paranoid gun-nuts have a serious moral objection to safer guns. Until such tech exists as to allow "smart" guns to have four properties, however, I will cling to my dumb ol' guns to my last breath:
      1) No batteries.
      2) Lower false NEGATIVE rate ("99.99%" from TFA makes a great soundbite but means fuck-all without qualifiers) than a dumb gun's normal failure-to-fire rate (which with quality ammo and a well-maintained gun comes to pretty damned near zero).
      3) No slower than existing draw-rack-point-click. I would even say, if fingerprint-based, the sensor MUST go on the trigger itself and detect a thin stripe of index fingertop.
      4) No remote disabling, PERIOD. If the police can do it, so can home invaders.


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    16. Re:Great one more fail by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Informative

      According to CDC's WISQARS, there are about 14,000-19,000 nonfatal injuries stemming from accidental shootings per year in the U.S.

      And according to that same source, for 2012, there were 8,974,762 non-fatal accidental injuries from falls. Floors are dangerous. 2,145,927 from cutting or piercing objects, 972,923 from poisoning, 423,138 from fire, 357,629 from dog bites...

      Heck, there were 58,363 from "nature/environment", which includes "exposure to adverse natural and environmental conditions (such as severe heat, severe cold, lightning, sunstroke, large storms, and natural disasters) as well as lack of food or water." Nature will hurt you with more probability than guns will.

      But yours is a common mistake people make when talking about guns, because they just don't know (or care) about the actual numbers.

      Pot. Kettle. Black. Numbers are meaningless without context for comparison. By any rational comparison with other things that can hurt you, firearms accidents are rare.

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    17. Re:Great one more fail by X0563511 · · Score: 2

      Indeed, having the right to own something doesn't remove your responsibility should your stupid use of the right kill someone or break something.

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    18. Re:Great one more fail by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

      There should be tech thatis barrel-mounted and snaps a pic every time a bullet is fired. Optional for gun owners (but a good idea) and mandatory for police officers.

    19. Re:Great one more fail by hsthompson69 · · Score: 3

      Cite, or it didn't happen. John Lott may be annoying, and there's certainly room to question his statistics, but he's done a far better job than all the anti-gun "researchers" out there in actually doing the due diligence of getting as much data as possible and explaining both his analytical methods and any potential weaknesses they might have.

      If you haven't actually read his book, you might want to give it a try, so you can actually argue intelligently against his work, rather than just parrot anti-gun talking points about him.

    20. Re:Great one more fail by ihtoit · · Score: 2

      because one is my rifle, one is my gun. One is for shooting, the other's for fun.

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    21. Re:Great one more fail by ihtoit · · Score: 2

      that's what you get for buying a Brazilian clone of an Italian pistol.

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    22. Re:Great one more fail by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If gun ownership were more tightly controlled, those 14000-19000 nonfatal injuries and the hundreds of fatal injuries from accidental shootings would be reduced by at least an order of magnitude - lives would be saved.

      The number of firearms accidents is statistical noise. Anyone making a great hue and cry about them is clearly not actually concerned with gun accidents, but is trying to use them to veil a prohibitionist agenda.

      If gun ownership were more tightly controlled, the 60,000 to 2,500,000 annual incidents of firearms self-defense (yes, huge error bars) would be reduced -- more people would be murdered, raped, and robbed from. Lives would be lost.

      Also, of course, enforcing a prohibition law ipso facto means locking people in cages for acts that do not credibly threaten the rights of others. Liberty would be lost.

      Here in the civilised world...murder rates and prison populations are proportionally tiny compared to the USA.

      Folks in Mexico, Philippines, and Brazil might take exception to being called "uncivilized".

      Yes, we have more violence than other wealthy nations. We also have more of a problem with an unaddressed legacy of slavery and segregation, ongoing racism, ongoing economic injustice, and lack of access to useful mental health care than those nations do. Those factors have far more to do with our violence problem than access to firearms does.

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    23. Re: Great one more fail by edmudama · · Score: 2

      I have another problem with it.

      Anyone who cares about their own safety doesn't carry a firearm without a chambered round. If you think that in a real incident you'll have time to draw and rack the slide to chamber a round, you're mistaken.

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    24. Re:Great one more fail by Patent+Lover · · Score: 2

      Yet not a single police department uses these "smart" guns. I wonder why.

    25. Re:Great one more fail by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      See page 8 of the PDF: 235,000 violent crimes, 103,000 property crimes. Total of 338,000 uses over 5 years, about 67,000 per year.

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    26. Re:Great one more fail by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Oh, I've read the book, and I'm not the only one:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Remember, John Lott is one of the guys pushing the "2.5 million" crimes prevented annually by guns. If that was true, it would make the US the most lawless country in the world. If that's your assertion, then we've got a place to start a conversation.

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    27. Re:Great one more fail by penguinoid · · Score: 2

      "High School Student Builds Gun That Unlocks With Your Fingerprint"

      I feel so special! But, how did he get my fingerprint?

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    28. Re:Great one more fail by hsthompson69 · · Score: 2

      Want to talk about lawlessness in the US?

      http://whitegirlbleedalot.com/

      The problem is that LEOs regularly refuse to investigate or report crimes that happen, or misclassify them to reduce their severity - http://www.latimes.com/local/l...

      It certainly could be as high as 2.5 million, but hey, I'll give you half of those as exaggerations, and we're still talking huge numbers.

      More good guys with guns, less crime. A good guy can be an LEO, or a law abiding CCW holder.

      Or is it your position that somehow LEOs are superior gun handlers? http://www.indystar.com/story/...

  2. When you abolutely, positively need a gun now! by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This one will insist on checking your fingerprints first.

    As soon as the Police and Military adopt these guns,I'll start considering doing so.

    Until then, my old-fashioned guns will have to suffice.

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    1. Re:When you abolutely, positively need a gun now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This one will insist on checking your fingerprints first.

      As soon as the Police and Military adopt these guns,I'll start considering doing so.

      Until then, my old-fashioned guns will have to suffice.

      As much as I understand your sentiment, I think this type of security would be good for all those accidental deaths from the kids who get their hands on a gun that should have been locked up.

      The discussion about "Anyone who'd purchase this gun is already going to keep it locked up." is a separate issue.

    2. Re:When you abolutely, positively need a gun now! by Jay+Maynard · · Score: 3, Informative

      All what accidental deaths? The number is tiny - less than 100 a year. That number is also dropping monotonically every year, and has done so since the 1930s.

      If you want to end kids' accidental deaths, get rid of bathtubs and swimming pools. They kill far more.

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    3. Re:When you abolutely, positively need a gun now! by bmajik · · Score: 4, Informative

      The appropriate product is called the "GunVault". It can be opened in a second or so, in the dark, entirely by touch.

      They make them in different shapes and sizes for different mounting/storage situations.

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    4. Re:When you abolutely, positively need a gun now! by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      You don't know anybody like that. We know your posting history. You made that up.

  3. But what about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...the deaths caused by an innocent person not being able to defend him- or herself with such a gun due to no battery of malfunctioning electronics or software? Why is this risk not taken into consideration?

    1. Re:But what about... by amosh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because that incredibly small number of theoretical deaths is miniscule compared to the large number of REAL deaths caused by accidental/unauthorized use of guns.

    2. Re:But what about... by Jay+Maynard · · Score: 2

      Accidental use of guns causes fewer deaths than just about any other accident you can name. The number is small, and has been dropping monotonically since the 1930s.

      Unauthorized use of guns is not going to be significantly impacted by something like this. There are far too many out there without it, and those will never be retrofitted.

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    3. Re:But what about... by ganjadude · · Score: 2, Interesting

      just because you dont hear about all the guns that save lives, doesnt mean it doesnt happen. for every accidental gun death out there, there are numerous stories of people saving their lives with guns. Just the other day a father and his 4 year old were at home in bed and someone broke in, If the father was unarmed he and his 4 year old would be dead. Instead we have 1 more dead criminal. No one should be upset with dead criminals

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    4. Re:But what about... by jmac_the_man · · Score: 2

      New Jersey has a law that kicks in when a smart gun becomes available for sale in the US.

      My home state is stupid for having this law. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING good to be said about a law that mandates the use of a technology that hasn't been thoroughly studied, and can't possibly have been because the law was created before the technology was.

      That said, California also has this law. Not just New Jersey. Great company, guys.

  4. 999 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > The gun can have up to 999 authorized users
    This really bothers me. What current memory hardware stores stuff in base 10? Just either use a byte or the wordsize of the device and be done with it!

    1. Re:999 by Jay+Maynard · · Score: 2

      Perhaps it's a user interface limitation, instead of a storage limitation?

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    2. Re: 999 by ameoba · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you're using a 3-digit LED display, yes.

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  5. If You are Too Incompetent by wisnoskij · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you are too incompetent to control the use of your own gun, then you should not have one. Period. Take the money you were going to spend on this smart gun and take a basic gun safety class.

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    1. Re:If You are Too Incompetent by NormalVisual · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Take the money you were going to spend on this smart gun and take a basic gun safety class.

      If it's priced like the existing smart guns (Armatix, etc.), you'll likely be able to buy a week at Gunsite or similar training program, where you'll also learn important stuff like identifying/using cover, off-hand shooting, clearing malfunctions, retention, and tons of other skills that will be far more useful than an electronic lock.

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  6. Been there, done that by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is certainly not the first time someone came up with this idea, nor the first time an actual implementation was made. This article and the award sounds like a publicity stunt, and it has all the usual elements: young wunderkind, technical gadgetry to solve some social or politically charged issue.

    And other posters here are right: the last thing you need is a weapon that fails when you need it most. If you want a weapon that's safe at rest, get a gun safe with a fingerprint scanner so you can get at it quickly when needed. And if you really want a gun that is disabled when it's taken away from you, I'd go with a simple mechanical solution like a pin on a lanyard that will lock the gun when removed. But in reality, if you've pulled out your weapon with intent to use it, you want nothing to stand in the way of a shot being fired when you pull that trigger.

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  7. this will end well by najay · · Score: 2

    anybody who has had to deal with fingerprint scanners knows how this will turn out.

  8. The other question that needs to be asked by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 2

    Was that 99.99% test done on a fire arm that has been used much? I kind of remember one of the big problems with these kinds of devices is that if you practiced regularly with the gun the shock from all those firings tended to break this kind of hardware. (And yes, you're supposed to practice with the actual gun you're going to use to protect yourself with. Picking up a random gun and getting off a perfect only happens in the movies.)

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  9. Re:99.99%, eh? by amosh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You are totally right. Because most of the guns used in America are used to prevent people from being "stabbed by a crazy" or shot by a terrorist.

    Oh wait. Yeah, I can live with the 1/10,000 chance because THOSE THINGS NEVER ACTUALLY HAPPEN EXCEPT IN YOUR IMAGINATION. Or do you think the "liberal media" is covering up the hundreds of thousands of people who use guns to prevent themselves from being stabbed in our (incredibly safe) country every day?

    (Bears aside - and you're usually not in a quick-draw situation against a bear. Well, maybe YOU are, Rambo, but most of us aren't.)

  10. Re:Reliability is key. by GrumpySteen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Guns must not be simply reliable. They must be infallible. They must work instantly, every time. Otherwise, any gun is useless.

    See how fucking idiotic that sounds?

  11. 99.99% accuracy by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Its accuracy at detecting fingerprints is 99.99%.

    Forget guns, sell the technology to Samsung.

  12. Left unmentioned about smart guns by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is that none of the politicians demanding them, most of whom are big city liberal politicians, are saying "well if we had smart guns, of course we'd let all law-abiding citizens carry in public." It's just a measure intended to further lock down legal gun ownership disguised as a way to keep criminals from using stolen weapons. Even though theoretically smart guns should make it easier for police to account for gun crime, the people pushing this aren't going to let up because their goal isn't even really to balance freedom and security.

  13. "its accuracy at detecting fingerprints is 99.99%" by cirby · · Score: 2

    Yeah, I just bet it is.

    This kid managed to make a rugged, reliable piece of hardware that recognizes many fingerprints, will withstand regular impacts from firing, and managed to make the failure rate only one in ten thousand.

    Oh, wait - he made a plastic prototype, and hasn't actually tested it in a firing weapon?

    Do tell.

  14. Re:99.99%, eh? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

    Or do you think the "liberal media" is covering up the hundreds of thousands of people who use guns to prevent themselves from being stabbed in our (incredibly safe) country every day?

    So, I gather that you think that the "liberal media" is covering up the hundreds of thousands of people who shoot themselves accidently in our (incredibly safe) country every day?

    Because, face it, that doesn't actually happen all that often either. Note that the average is somewhere around 600 fatalities per year in a nation of 330 million. Which puts accidental shootings way below traffic deaths (33000 per year) as a problem to worry about.

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  15. Re:Not comparable by mariox19 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Human beings have been "barely domesticated." When you manage to domesticate the average criminal, we can talk about domesticating the best defense against one.

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  16. The other question that needs to be asked by pla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Was that 99.99% test done on a fire arm that has been used much?

    If you check out the pics in TFA, you'll see that not only didn't they test fire this the hundreds of thousands of times it would take to come up with that claim of accuracy - This "proof of concept" wouldn't ever work in a real gun.

    Apparently, this genius 17YO knows so little about the functioning of an actual gun that he simply filled the receiver with electronics (because nothing important goes in all that empty space) and produced what amounts a gun-shaped fingerprint reader. Because, y'know, who needs all those silly little things like springs or hammers or firing pins or magazines to also fit inside a working gun?

  17. Re:How Many Ways Can This Kill You by qeveren · · Score: 2

    Your attacker almost certainly has their weapon ready before you do, even when you have a normal firearm. You go for your gun. Your attacker kills you.

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  18. Re:Not comparable by Zeek40 · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are an average of ~4,400 construction workers were killed per year on the job in the US and there are about 3 million construction workers in the US. There are an average of 500-600 accidental deaths per year caused by firearms, and about 100 million gun owners in the US. It seems like guns are actually safer than most other tools ;)

  19. Re: to answer your last comment first by jackspenn · · Score: 2

    That handgun can carry 16+1 rounds. But I carry it with 15+1 rounds. My backup gun, can carry 7+1 and I carry it that way. Yup, I carry a second gun so I can lend it to someone if needed.

    How did you get the magical number of 12? Why not 11?

    My five year old daughter has a 17 round 22 rifle. It is a training tool in my view, but, a "weapon of war" to you. My four year old daughter has a 22 rifle that only holds 1 round and is pink, so we can agree it is a training tool. She has been shooting since she was three and is a good shot with great fundamentals. My 21 month old and 2 day old don't have guns ... yet.

    I introduce firearms, not at a set age, but when I feel they are ready. I have a process of reviewing safely rules and shooting concepts long before guns are introduced. Shoot with my brother who helps teach girls. One of us can tech shooter, other can ensure others at safe. My hope is they become better with guns than me by their early 20s.

    Just last night my 5 year old and I were waiting for a fox that has been messing with our chickens, will do the same tonight until we get him. Ran him off few months back with intentional warning shot right under him. I was hoping to not have to kill him, but he's back and he is to comfortable around house and barn. By letting him live that one time, three chickens have died. Sadly he'll have to go so chickens can live. I cannot use traps because lots of baby deer and I don't want to catch them (until they are bigger and more delicious).

    I think my safety mechanisms work better than any smart gun ever can.

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  20. Re: Not comparable by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    Hospitals give you blanks for the moment the baby is born.... DUH.

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  21. Re:Not comparable by MichaelSimpson77 · · Score: 2

    Last Tuesday night, I heard the neighbor's dog going nuts at the fence. It's 1:00 a.m. and I go out to see what the problem is. We have livestock after all. On the way out to the gate, I think I should probably pick up a few rocks, just in case. When I shine my flash light on the fence, I can see the eyes of my neighbor's McNab and on the other side of the fence, I can see another pair of eyes looking back at me. It charges at me and instinctively I throw the rock and nail, what I now see as a very large coyote charging me, right between the eyes and it changes it's mind and high tails it to the brush. I'll not go outside without my .22 revolver. A gun is a tool.

    Several years ago, I was hiking back up from the falls by my home. I see a family coming down towards the falls. The 3 year old daughter 1/4 of a mile ahead of the adults running full steam down the hill. I tell her to stop and wait for her parents in a very stern tone. When I get to her parents, I ask them what the hell are they thinking. We have mountain lions and their daughter is prey. They gave me a dirty look. The 6 year old that was attacked in San Francisco several weeks ago, he was ahead of his group as well. The problem is a sizable portion of our population doesn't recognize the perils of our world. They want to live comfortably in their own little cocoon and believe the world would be Gaia if only those nasty guns were taken out of circulation. Funny how liberal San Francisco had no problem sending people out with guns to take out that bad evil mountain lion. Never mind that the mountain lion was only following it's instincts. City people are so self absorbed and naive.

  22. Re: Not comparable by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

    And you would want to ride 40 minutes, while in labor, in a car that smells like fresh skunk spray?

    I'm sure she was very happy to avoid that.

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