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Original 11' Star Trek Enterprise Model Being Restored Again

NormalVisual (565491) writes The original 11-foot U.S.S. Enterprise studio model from the original series has gone back into the shop again. The Smithsonian owns the model and has had it on display in a gift shop at the National Air and Space Museum for the last 13 years, but will be placed on display in the Boeing Milestones of Flight Hall in 2016, to coincide with the museum's 40th anniversary. In the meantime, the model will be undergoing its fourth restoration to address a number of issues. The last restoration in 1991 was performed by Ed Miarecki, a professional modelmaker well known for his work in "Star Trek: The Next Generation", as well as films such as "Event Horizon". This previous restoration had Trek fans up in arms owing to the paint job, which many feel doesn't represent the way the model looked originally. Hopefully this next restoration will bring her back to her former glory.

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  1. Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by dpilot · · Score: 5, Informative

    We took the family to DC for a vacation, and of course one of the things I had to see was Smithsonian Air and Space. I didn't know that the original Enterprise model was there, and was surprised to see it on the lower floor.

    The next surprise was that the model was never finished. One side had all of the lights, striping, and everything. The other side had a little striping, and was otherwise pretty much blank. I remembered reading that in one of those books, and how all shots were of the finished side, or mirrored in post-processing.

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    1. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by Teresita · · Score: 5, Funny

      If Lucas had created Star Trek rather than Roddenberry, then the Original Series model at the Smithsonian would have DS9 era warp nacelles ret-conned on it and the phasers could never be fired until the shields were below 50% strength because of course Kirk never shoots first.

    2. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by NormAtHome · · Score: 2

      I saw it there around 1980, probably before the first restoration. It was great to see it but it was pretty dirty and didn't look very well kept. I hope this new guy takes good care of it.

    3. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by plopez · · Score: 5, Funny

      If Lucas had created Star Trek; Uhura would've have been a northern European princess, Chekov a darkside villain, Kirk a 20 something whiny white boy, Spock a droid, and Scotty an ethnically insulting alien based on Mexican stereo types.

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    4. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by am+2k · · Score: 1

      Simpsons 2F17, Radioactive Man:

      Nelson, Ralph, and Martin watch a man paint black patches on a white horse.

      Martin: Uh, Sir, why don't you just use real cows?
      Painter: Cows don't look like cows on film. You gotta use horses.
      Ralph: What do you do if you want something that looks like a horse?
      Painter: Ehh, usually we just tape a bunch of cats together.

    5. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by NormalVisual · · Score: 3, Informative

      I saw it there around 1980, probably before the first restoration.

      The restorations took place in 1974, 1980, and 1991. I agree that the pre-1991 treatment the model got wasn't that good. As I remember they just hung it from the ceiling and mostly ignored it afterwards. The model had some major structural issues when Ed got hold of it, mostly because the model was designed to be mounted on a stand and couldn't deal well with the stresses from being suspended from above.

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    6. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by Charliemopps · · Score: 1, Funny

      So, what you're saying is, Lucas is making the new Star Trek films?

    7. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by NormAtHome · · Score: 1

      Hmmmmm.... interesting, I'm not sure if I saw it before or after the 1980 restoration and it was just hung from the ceiling at the time (in the gift shop if I remember) but if it was after I don't know what the restorer did to it but it looked like it was about to fall apart. I remember seeing pictures in the "Making of Star Trek" book where it was on a floor mounted stand like you say, it's never occurred to me that it wasn't designed to withstand being suspended by wires.

    8. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...Kirk never shoots first.

      Uhura might have something to say about that...

      Kirk: This sort of thing . . . has never . . . happened . . . to me . . . before!
      Uhura: I just wish you could have held out until I removed my uniform...

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    9. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      last time I saw the model at the Smithsonian museum the model had a light greenish tint to it. Maybe the paint or material on the exterior is fading away somehow.

    10. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by davester666 · · Score: 1

      I would pay to see a bunch of cats taped into the shape of a horse.

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    11. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      "Harcourt Fenton Mudd!"

      "Meesa run from meesa wives!"

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    12. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want to know why the title of the article says this ship is from Star Trek Enterprise. It's the TOS model, not the Enterprise model.

    13. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work in TV. We do this shit all the time.

    14. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just missing some punctuation. It should read "Original 11' Star Trek's Enterprise"

      Of course, missing punctuation seems to be a theme common to all Star Trek creations

    15. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

      Sounds a lot like JJTrek to be honest.

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    16. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It should read "Original 11' Star Trek Enterprise Model Being Restored Again". Having "Enterprise" italicized is grammatically incorrect and makes it look like they are talking about the television show Star Trek Enterprise.

    17. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Hate to disappoint you, but names of vessels are italicised.

      http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu...

      Cheers.

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    18. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Beats me. Samzenpus altered the original title, which was "Original 11' Enterprise Model Being Restored, Yet Again"

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    19. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong and the random person who wrote that stuff on their unknown site is an idiot.

    20. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by plopez · · Score: 1

      I havent kept up with it but the trailers were enough to convince me the rot had set in

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    21. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by devman · · Score: 1

      Many manuals of style indicate italicizing for names of vessels

    22. Re: Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by kyjellyfish · · Score: 1

      Please!! ... try to get past the punctuation. All too often it appears that /. functions as an OCD support group.

    23. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Did you pay money to see the Lord of the Rings Trilogy? All its horses were cats taped together.

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    24. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Much worse: Disney.

      By the time they're done, you'll be nostalgic for cute fuzzy Ewoks.

      (hey, they did make Black Hole. But that was a good while back....)

    25. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I phrased it wrong.

      I would pay to see a bunch of cats being taped into the shape of a horse [in progress, not the final result].

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    26. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I hate to disappoint you, but we're not talking about a vessel here, we're talking about a television prop.

    27. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      They give out .edu domains to "some random guy" now? Do tell.

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    28. Re:Saw it at the Smithsonian a few years ago by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      I hate to disappoint you further, but we were in fact talking about a vessel. If you've veered off topic, that sounds like your problem, not ours.

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  2. Zoolander by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    What is this? A spaceship for ANTS?!

    1. Re:Zoolander by antdude · · Score: 1

      Yes. I am the captain! :D

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  3. Cecilia Gimenez by wylderide · · Score: 5, Funny

    She took a crack at restoring it, but it was deemed to be not entirely successful.

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    1. Re:Cecilia Gimenez by VIPERsssss · · Score: 1

      It could have been worse. It could have been Jose Jimenez.

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  4. Event Horizon by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    One of the best science-fiction movie ever made, if you stop watching before it all goes to hell.

    1. Re:Event Horizon by NEDHead · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or, perhaps more objectively, one of the worst movies of all time.

    2. Re:Event Horizon by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      No, that title belongs to Battlefield Earth. Event Horizon had the great idea of dealing with the "nothingness" in-between jump points, but they chose to go with a horror theme for that and that's what ruined it for most of us. Still a great sci-fi/horror movie, because horror movies don't have to make any sense.

    3. Re:Event Horizon by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      I'm glad at least one moderator got the joke.

    4. Re:Event Horizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You, SIr, have clearly not watched Manos: The Hands of Fate.

      Battlefield Earth is what happens when a religion is built suddenly using the cathedral model rather than over millennia using the bazaar model. You need your mythos to evolve over time until it becomes so convoluted that millions of people literally kill each other to death over the minutiæ, ignoring the white elephant excrement in the room.

    5. Re:Event Horizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Manos: The Hands of Fate was so low-budget it qualifies as hobby fiction rather than a movie. When someone talks about "the worst movie ever made" they don't include people's home videos of their thanksgiving cookout, nor should they count Manos: The Hands of Fate.

      BattleField Earth was a big budget movie intended to make a profit while delivering an important message (the message was bullocks of course, and the movie sucked horribly, but that is secondary to the fact that its intent and scale of production make it a real movie). Manos: The Hands of Fate was made entirely because one man bet another man that he could make a real movie on a home movie budget. And, he lost that bet.

      The only reason any of us even knows about this movie is because Mystery Science Theater 3000 did their standard parody viewing of it. If it wasn't for them, Manos would have been known only to the minds of the handful of people that watched as much of it as they could stand before walking out during its first showing.

    6. Re:Event Horizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As AC says above, when someone talks about "the worst movie ever made" they usually mean movies that had sufficient budget for everything necessary and well-known actors.

    7. Re:Event Horizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It works great as a M3 era Warhammer 40K movie. ;-)

    8. Re:Event Horizon by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Or, perhaps more subjectively, everyone is allowed to have their own opinion.

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    9. Re:Event Horizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm going with Battlefield Earth.

      I don't count those movies that are just so horridly bad that they come back around on the other side of "good" (i.e. any MST3K material).

    10. Re:Event Horizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need...

      Not all religions are attempts to solve the same problem. Maybe you need a religion for war-starting purposes, but what if someone else wants a religion for financial fraud purposes?

      Bazaar religions take lots of time to develop, and by the time they're ready, the people whose goals they were intended to serve, are dead. So even if they do make money, for whom do they make money? Do you think the Vatican invented theirs? No, they were just the lucky recipients. And when a US televangelist gets a contribution, do you think even the Vatican collects any royalties?

      You say cathedral religions are "built suddenly" but that's just another term for "high performance" or "short time to market." WTF is wrong with that?! If we were talking about an engineering problem, you'd be praising it.

      Don't knock Hubbard's accomplishment. He had an idea and made it happen, to his benefit. In the cause for evil, all options should be explored.

  5. Restoration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is it that if you copy something it's called a fake, but if you also destroy the original it's called restoration?

    1. Re:Restoration by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why is it that if you copy something it's called a fake, but if you also destroy the original it's called restoration?

      Interestingly, that's how transporters might eventually work:

      Scan you, transmit scan data, reassemble you at the other end based on the data, confirm checksum, then destroy original.

    2. Re:Restoration by zippthorne · · Score: 2

      That won't work. Even if you create a will leaving everything to your clone-copy, anytime you travel your clone-heir would be stuck in probate for months afterward and the government would demand a huge cut of your net worth.

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    3. Re:Restoration by NormalVisual · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not to mention you'll have the TSA rifling through your wallet's contents in the pattern buffer.

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    4. Re:Restoration by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 0

      And why does it take 18 months to restore something that took a few weeks to build from scratch?

    5. Re:Restoration by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 2

      It takes that long because trying to keep every tiny porthole and edge in the exact same place, and the paint work the specific colour so that that geeks and nerds don't write up 1000 pages on their blog about the horrific damage and destruction.

      It took a couple of weeks to build because the model maker had a rough guide of x decks and y windows and slapped it together from bits and pieces and painted it to work on the screen. The poor restorer has to keep that work accurate.

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    6. Re:Restoration by confused+one · · Score: 1

      Then you risk having two copies...

      Scan you, destroy the original, transmit scan data, reassemble you at the other end. That's the only way to be sure... and would explain all the "transporter accidents"

    7. Re:Restoration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One good thing about the Star Trek universe is that libertarians and conservatives no longer have the power to hold humanity back. They would be viewed with the same contempt as being part of humanity's savage past that the slave owners, barbarians, and practitioners of human sacrifice are viewed today.

      So... as job creators, capitalists and religious leaders?

    8. Re:Restoration by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      What does this have to do with the clone-copy continuity problem?

      To take the bait, though, how are libertarians of all people going to be seen as a source of oppression?

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  6. I'm just glad by Pikoro · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm just glad all of us Atheists will now have our own religious symbol to hang on the wall and worship.

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  7. dont joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Church_of_Trek

  8. Crude? by fnj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Judging from STTOS on TV, the original model was almost toy-like crude. The STTNG model was much more convincing, and that one already looks pretty crude compared to a good movie. The modelwork in 2001: A Space Odyssey stll impresses.

    1. Re:Crude? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What you say about 2001's models is true. The humans even seem life-like at times, which is no easy feat.

    2. Re:Crude? by NormalVisual · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Models built for TV in years past often weren't built with much detail, simply because it wouldn't show up on screen anyway. That said, the TOS Enterprise did have a lot more detail than one would expect for a TV show (there are markings and such that are too tiny to see on TV), but it pales when compared to the Enterprise built for "The Motion Picture" which has much, much finer detail. A couple of years ago I had the opportunity to see a lot of the Star Wars filming miniatures - the Millenium Falcon hero model built for "The Empire Strikes Back" was just jaw-droppingly gorgeous, and holds up to inspection from just inches away. Compare that to some of the ST:TNG props that I've seen that look fine on screen, but when examined closely look like someone gave a 5-year old a couple of shots of vodka and turned them loose with a paintbrush.

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    3. Re:Crude? by Euler · · Score: 2

      Yeah, and when you personally see the TOS model it actually is very crude. ...they had no idea that the film prints would be scanned for high-def TV eventually.

      When I saw it around 2008 I had two thoughts:
      1) Why is something so iconic being given such outcast treatment in the basement of the gift shop? Yes it wasn't actually a spacecraft, but still deserving of attention compared to some random ejection seat or circuit board designed for a space probe.
      2) It was really crude.. Basic hardware-store type materials were used. That weird screen-door protector perforated metal with the two different sized holes that was popular in the '60s and '70s... The body of it was mostly just plain surface, maybe wood or something easily workable.

    4. Re:Crude? by Dogtanian · · Score: 2

      Models built for TV in years past often weren't built with much detail, simply because it wouldn't show up on screen anyway. That said, the TOS Enterprise did have a lot more detail than one would expect for a TV show (there are markings and such that are too tiny to see on TV), but it pales when compared to the Enterprise built for "The Motion Picture" which has much, much finer detail.

      This touches on something I've mentioned previously- namely, why older TV shows shot and mastered entirely on film still aren't necessarily "HD", even though the medium itself *happens* to be capable of resolving that much detail.

      An HD production requires *everything* to have been done to HD standards. If not, it's quite possible that props, makeup et al that were only ever expected to look good on a standard-definition set of the time will show their deficiencies far more obviously under the scrutiny of HD.

      There were no doubt good reasons for shooting on film- either technical or aesthetic (film converted to standard-def video for transmission still looks different to natively-shot video)- but decades before HD was even a twinkle in anyone's eye, I doubt they were going to waste their limited TV budget on detailing they (reasonably) assumed no-one was ever going to see.

      I suspect that the original Enterprise model was more detailed as it would have been used a lot, and having a higher-quality model in the first place would give them more flexibility in terms of close-ups, etc.

      Compare [Star Wars movie props] to some of the ST:TNG props that I've seen that look fine on screen, but when examined closely look like someone gave a 5-year old a couple of shots of vodka and turned them loose with a paintbrush.

      Bingo. I bet the one-off single-show models were done as well as required- and no more. (Particularly as ST:TNG was from the shot-on-film-but-mastered-on-video era that- ironically- gave poorer quality than the all-film ST:TOS).

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    5. Re:Crude? by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Bingo. I bet the one-off single-show models were done as well as required- and no more.

      The ones I was referring to specifically were props like phasers, tricorders, etc. that were used throughout the production run, but as you say, no studio wants to spend more money than absolutely necessary. If the prop guys can hack out 10 phasers in a day that will look acceptably on screen, instead of spending a day on each one making them museum-quality, it's not hard to figure out which route the studio will choose.

      This is part of why I was so impressed with the Star Wars miniatures. There's detail there that's too fine to show up on even on 4K, and I really respect the obvious pride and effort that went into them.

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    6. Re:Crude? by hey! · · Score: 2

      Compare that to some of the ST:TNG props that I've seen that look fine on screen, but when examined closely look like someone gave a 5-year old a couple of shots of vodka and turned them loose with a paintbrush.

      There's a certain wonder to that too.

      I had the same reaction when I saw the ST:TNG props in person. You wouldn't buy a toy that looked that cheesy. The wonder of it is that the prop makers knew this piece of crap would look great onscreen. That's professional skill at work. Amateurs lavish loving care on stuff and overbuild them. Pros make them good enough, and put the extra effort into stuff that matters more.

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    7. Re:Crude? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are good reasons why all of the bridge scenes in "Star Trek: Generations" were dark and why the Enterprise-D was destined for destruction at the end of the film: the ST:TNG sets and the Enterprise-D model, while fine for TV, just didn't hold up under the higher resolution and larger screens of cinema.

    8. Re:Crude? by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      And then on top of that, you have to admire the trust the actors had in their work. It's got to be hard to put on a convincing performance when holding one of those silly things, accepting on faith alone that it's going to look pretty damned good when it's in the can.

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    9. Re:Crude? by El_Oscuro · · Score: 1

      In TOS, if watch The Doomsday Machine episode, it is obvious that the the damage Constellation had was caused by something like a lighter. There is some debate as to whether the model was actually one of those Revell models we used to get as kids at the local Gemco, or if it was the crappiest version of the full scale models. Given that it would be easier to generate those kinds of burns on a smaller Revell model, I would guess the former.

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    10. Re:Crude? by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      There is some debate as to whether the model was actually one of those Revell models we used to get as kids at the local Gemco

      It was a hacked-up AMT model, just like you'd get at the local hobby store. More than you'd ever want to know about the AMT kit can be found here.

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    11. Re:Crude? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It was made from poplar wood...

      Materials:

      Primarily constructed of poplar wood, vacu-formed plastic, rolled sheet metal tubes for both the engine pods from the back of the struts to the start of the nacelle caps, and plastic for the main sensor dish and detailing (light covers, etc.). The front and rear of the engine pods or nacelles are of wood. The nacelle grill plates brass. Rolled steel wires were also inserted through its original pipe support for lights. ...

      The model's principal designer, Walter "Matt" Jefferies, worked with concepts provided by Star Trek's creator Gene Roddenberry. At first, Paramount Studios constructed a rough 4-inch balsa and cardboard prototype. A 3-foot "pilot" model mostly of solid wood was then built by model-maker Richard C. Datin under subcontract to the Howard Anderson Company. Enlarging the plans for the 3-foot model resulted in the final 11-foot model shown here. The Anderson Company again turned to Datin who contracted it out to Production Model Shop of Burbank, California, with Datin supervising the construction while he did the detail work.

      Paramount donated the model to the National Collection in 1974.

      http://mentalfloss.com/article...

    12. Re:Crude? by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      We're talking about the Constellation, not the Enterprise.

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    13. Re:Crude? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why they had to redo all of the special effects shots in the TNG Blu-Ray release. While the film had enough resolution for an HD transfer, all of the special effects shots (ie. warp stretch, light boom, etc.) were done on video tape.

    14. Re:Crude? by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      This is why they had to redo all of the special effects shots in the TNG Blu-Ray release. While the film had enough resolution for an HD transfer, all of the special effects shots (ie. warp stretch, light boom, etc.) were done on video tape.

      That's correct. Though I intentionally left it out above of the above post (I'm longwinded enough and it was less relevant there), I've commented in the past (e.g. in this post and several others in that thread) that TNG's effects shots were at best (AFAIK) composited on SD video from film sources, if not entirely generated on SD video.

      Hence a 100% authentic HD transfer of the original unmodified TNG episodes would be impossible, purely because certain shots only ever existed in SD.

      (If they were to be upscaled- as I understood they did for some regular scenes were they couldn't locate the original footage- they would stand out like a sore thumb among the HD-scanned shots, as ST:TNG's analogue NTSC video was soft and crappy even in SD and there's no way on earth they'd be able to convincingly upscale it).

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  9. optimistic vision of a future by Fnord666 · · Score: 3, Funny

    unique for its optimistic vision of a future where men and women of all races and ethnicities, not to mention non-humans,

    Obviously created by a man whose "optimistic vision of a future" includes women wearing mini skirts and gogo boots.

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    1. Re:optimistic vision of a future by Beamboom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      whose "optimistic vision of a future" includes women wearing mini skirts and gogo boots.

      To be fair, for a good many that's close to the very definition of an "optimistic vision".

    2. Re:optimistic vision of a future by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Obviously created by a man whose "optimistic vision of a future" includes women wearing mini skirts and gogo boots.

      "I think I'm going to like History."

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    3. Re:optimistic vision of a future by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 2

      Compare the role of women in I Love Lucy to that of Star Trek.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desilu_Productions

    4. Re:optimistic vision of a future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      women wearing mini skirts

      And some men too, though the studio forced him to remove that element from later episodes.

    5. Re:optimistic vision of a future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Obviously created by a man whose "optimistic vision of a future" includes women wearing mini skirts and gogo boots.

      No, this was his vision of women in the future. The studio made him sex it up.

    6. Re:optimistic vision of a future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the name of equal treatment, I'm working on a digitally altered version where the guys are all wearing short shorts; and every time Kirk goes shirtless, someone remarks on his oddly-colored nipples.

  10. Pardon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "The Smithsonian owns the model and has had it on display in a gift shop at the National Air and Space Museum for the last 13 years, but will be placed on display in the Boeing Milestones of Flight Hall in 2016, to coincide with the museum's 40th anniversary."

    Milestones of Flight? A model of something which has never actually flown and which doesn't actually exist?

    Ah well, I suppose it goes with those Creationist museums.....

    1. Re:Pardon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Engineers overrate the complexity of their work, thus their scarcity. They are, in the most part, little more than pre-fabricated rule-followers - errand-boys for numbers, passing data between software products.

      There are tens of millions of people alive today capable of contributing toward the building of complex structures of any sort - but very few capable of conceiving those structures in the first place. Progress comes when someone comes forward not only with an idea, but the willingness to flesh out that idea and consider all its consequences, technical and social. Star Trek embodies that process.

    2. Re:Pardon? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Nonsense of course. ST was westerns and court dramas with science fictionish props and sets. Terrible show, no coherent backstory. No consistent postulated tech who implications are considered. Whenever they run out of ideas they take one word from column A and one from column B and end the story with a new revolutionary technology never previously (or again) mentioned.

      Roddenberry should have been kicked square in the nuts for doing it. Harlen Ellison was right. Just terrible.

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  11. Contradicted by the historical documents? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

    "The ship was a model as big as this, a very clever deception indeed!"

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    1. Re:Contradicted by the historical documents? by freeze128 · · Score: 0

      "By Grapthar's hammer... What a savings."

  12. WTF by kuzb · · Score: 0

    >but will be placed on display in the Boeing Milestones of Flight Hall in 2016

    No. Fuck this. It's not a milestone of flight, and it doesn't belong there in the least.

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    1. Re:WTF by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Shot in the same studios as the lunar landings!

      Am I kidding?

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    2. Re:WTF by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No. Fuck this. It's not a milestone of flight, and it doesn't belong there in the least.

      I disagree. The original Star Trek, which I watched as a child, was one of the inspirations for me getting into aerospace and later working on the actual Space Station. The milestone isn't a particular flight it performed, but how many people it inspired, who later achieved great things in aerospace. In a prior generation, Wernher von Braun read Astounding magazine *while working on the V2 rockets*. There has always been a strong connection between science fiction stories and bringing those stories to life later.

  13. dart board anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lets use lawn darts .....call em photon dartedos

  14. um hes dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    y9ou want to kick a dead guy in hte nuts that are rotted away by now go ahead ...

    1. Re:um hes dead by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      Verb tense too complicated for you?

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  15. Paint job, or just looked different on TV? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    This previous restoration had Trek fans up in arms owing to the paint job, which many feel doesn't represent the way the model looked originally.

    Or did they feel it didn't represent the way it looked on TV?

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    1. Re:Paint job, or just looked different on TV? by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Of course it doesn't look like it appeared on TV, but when he did the restoration, Ed left the top portion of the saucer as it was originally done, minus touch-ups to hide where repairs had been made. Comparing the top and bottom of the saucer, it's obvious that while the original paint scheme did have very faint grid lines and weathering, it wasn't airbrushed to the extent of being overbearing like he did to the lower saucer and most of the rest of the model. He also added details to the model that were not present originally.

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  16. hang on a minute... by spike1 · · Score: 2

    40th anniversary?
    What is it commemorating, the animated series from the 70s?
    The TV show begain in the 60s so the 40th anniversary was around 2006 (or earlier if you want to count the cage).

    1. Re:hang on a minute... by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      It's commemorating the 40th anniversary of the present Air and Space Museum main exhibition hall, which opened on July 4, 1976.

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  17. The Practical Side of Space Travel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was three years old when Star Trek arrived on a B&W set in my home... and I can remember it.

    So I grew up with it, and the Apollo moonshots.

    One of the things about ST was that it took Space Travel as a practical reality, and simply "accepted" that some things had to be similar to how we travel now.

    If they weren't things would be so different and alien, they would interfere with everyday life.. which was hugely 'Smart'. We are adaptable.. but the way we tell stories isn't.. we still have to relate.

    The books could get more technically edgy and fly off in directions that would make HG Wells proud.

    Now we've discovered the Higgs Boson.. and it turns out "artificial gravity" is a lot easier than we ever thought it would be.. "antigravity" well that's the same as "gravity" turned upside down. In fact all those Vector fields we learned about in high school and third year college were excellent training wheels for a technology we never thought would exist.

    As for Transporters.. it was originally based on Thor's "Light Bridge" and had absolutely [nothing] to do with "assembly or disassembly" that has so many problems inherent it's stupefying people still talk about it in those terms. Even the "Avengers" got it a lot more correct.

    The Transporter is a misnomer.. it's a space folding machine that "relocates" the mass.. similar to the Higgs Boson effect.. only without the residual "Hang Over" of inertia after the trip. Think of it like standing on a moving sidewalk, that doesn't "move" but you still get to your destination. Or.. put it this way.. the rest of the Universe "shift" around you from your point of view. Albert Einstein would have no problem accepting the Transporter as possible.. even a fundamental demonstration of the translocation property of matter. If it didn't exist in the first place.. the Universe would have never existed.. a few Planck times after the Big Bang it would have snuffed itself out. There's a famous Russian term for the forces between two parallel sheets of matter that escapes me at the moment.. but its like that.. it had to exist all along.

    The new movie Interstellar looks to exploring the third attribute of the Universe that makes "Warp" drive a rather mundane.. of course that had to be how it works. Too long to explain.. its late.. I'll leave it in the margins.. but essentially "point masses" are an illusion brought on by the gravitational "lens effect" of all stars and faster than light travel is "apparently" possible without ever moving faster than light.. Dark Matter proves it.. Dark Matter never existed.. it was an elementary principal of how the Universe evolved.

  18. Smithsonian should commission a new model by swb · · Score: 1

    It seems kind of contradictory to hang the TV production model in the A&S museum, where people will complain about how simplistic the model is without understanding the nature of a TV model (ie, not meant to be seen other than in controlled TV shots on 1960s standard def television).

    The TV model should be restored as closely as possible to its TV version and then put in the Smithsonian wing that houses various forms of Americana so that it can be a proper historical relic.

    Then they should build a new model of the Enterprise with all the detail people have come to expect for A&S.

  19. Crude? by babydog · · Score: 1

    There are web pages out there about the construction of the TNG model ships. The large one was quite detailed but also very smooth. The painted detail didn't show up in SD, only on Blu-ray, and the model was too large and delicate to work with. So they built a cruder, less smooth, and smaller model. The big one had cracked by the time it was auctioned off. The TOS model seems to have been filmed only on 4 or 5 occasions: for the 1st and 2nd pilots, for Corbomite Maneuver stock shots reused throughout the series, maybe something later in the 1st season, and for some 2nd season stock shots that replaced the older ones. The film grain on all but the last batch hides the fact that the model has little detail. The movie models in auction photos online look like works of art, mostly due to the paint jobs.

  20. optimistic vision of a future by babydog · · Score: 1

    We have failed to uphold Brannigan's Law. However I did make it with a hot alien babe. And in the end, is that not what man has dreamt of since first he looked up at the stars? Kif, I'm asking you a question.