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ISIS Bans Math and Social Studies For Children

mpicpp sends this news from CNN: In swaths of Syria now controlled by ISIS, children can no longer study math or social studies. Sports are out of the question. And students will be banned from learning about elections and democracy. Instead, they'll be subjected to the teachings of the radical Islamist group. And any teacher who dares to break the rules "will be punished." ISIS revealed its new educational demands in fliers posted on billboards and on street poles. The Sunni militant group has captured a slew of Syrian and Iraqi cities in recent months as it tries to establish a caliphate, or Islamic state, spanning Sunni parts of both countries. Books cannot include any reference to evolution. And teachers must say that the laws of physics and chemistry "are due to Allah's rules and laws." Update: 09/18 16:26 GMT by S : CNN has pulled the story over "concerns about the interpretation of the information provided." They promise to update it when they get the facts straight.

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  1. they will defeat themselves by schlachter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This certainly will make it difficult for them to pose a long term threat to anyone. A society that doesn't allow math won't last long.

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    1. Re:they will defeat themselves by TheCarp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well as a closed system maybe but, if your "society" is being propped up via funding and arms, and you have no need to actually produce anything yourself or even produce engineers at all, then it isn't as much of a problem.

      That said, what would really make it tough for them is a lack of opposition. Their tactics tend to be very self defeating when the larger powers don't overreact and get drawn into conflict with them.

      If we let them provoke us though, then they will likely feed off that and use our involvement to deflect criticism away from their own otherwise self-defeating brutality.

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    2. Re:they will defeat themselves by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We can't trade with such people. Hell, if they don't even allow math we can't even keep ledgers. So they would still blame western governments for imposing sanctions.

      To be honest, it seems like the best solution, is, as you say, stop fighting them. All we ever wind up doing is accidentally killing a bunch of civilians and breeding more jihadis. You guys want a caliphate? Fine. Knock yourselves out. We'll be over here with our blackjack and hookers.

      The only problem is we still need their damn oil. Please, Elon Musk, save us from dependence on these assholes' oil. The sooner we can find a replacement for middle eastern oil and/or their oil runs out, the better.

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    3. Re:they will defeat themselves by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

      if your "society" is being propped up via funding and arms, and you have no need to actually produce anything yourself or even produce engineers at all, then it isn't as much of a problem.

      Math isn't just used by engineers; it's also needed to operate pretty much any business -- even low-tech ones. Even a damn goat-herder needs to be able to multiply, assuming he wants to be able to sell X goats for $Y each, and end up with the correct number of $ afterwards!

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    4. Re:they will defeat themselves by cyberchondriac · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That said, what would really make it tough for them is a lack of opposition. Their tactics tend to be very self defeating when the larger powers don't overreact and get drawn into conflict with them.

      Not from any evidence I've ever seen. No larger power had given them any attention for the past year, and their numbers, financial resources, and power swelled unchecked; they only become a greater threat with time. You cannot ignore them and make them go away, it doesn't work like that. One defector stated their long term goals include taking over the mideast, followed by Europe, and eventually, the entire globe. That obviously can't happen because they've ignorantly shunned the sciences, but it could take a whole 'nother generation or two before that lack of knowledge really takes its toll (if they're left unchecked in the meantime).
      Granted, however, that this war will be lose-lose, because no matter what the western powers do, they will be decried in every form imaginable. But there is no choice. There is no logic where such a fanatical religion has taken root.

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    5. Re:they will defeat themselves by mandark1967 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Shut up, dude.

      I'm getting ready to corner the market on goats and you're gonna blow my plans to hell!

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    6. Re:they will defeat themselves by PvtVoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For every one you kill two will take their place. Your philosophy breeds terrorism instead of extinguishing it.

      Which is a total win-win:

      - We'll have a thriving Defense Industry in the US, and lots of corporate fat-cats will get rich.
      - We'll have lots of military employment opportunities for young impoverished rural Americans. The ones that survive can be shunted off into sub-standard medical and psychiatric care, and will end up homeless or dead in a cost-effective way.
      - We'll make sure the corrupt, dissolute fucktards in charge of Saudi Arabia and Bahrain and Kuwait are so scared of the creations of their own madrassas that they don't dare interrupt our oil supply.
      - There will be a cheap and easy path to election for bigoted, paranoid demagogues to get elected with rancid Islamophobic propaganda.

      I mean, what's not to like?

    7. Re: they will defeat themselves by TheGavster · · Score: 5, Funny

      The goat herder shall receive payment for his goats as Allah decrees.

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    8. Re:they will defeat themselves by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd love to let them have the run of things for a while, except they insist on flying planes into our buildings and beheading children.

      With that logic, we should go to war with our ally Saudi Arabia as well.
      Saudi nationals have flown more planes into buildings than ISIS.
      The Saudi Government has beheaded more people than ISIS.
      (Though ISIS seems to be trying to catch up)

      No, I think the only option is to go in and kill every last one of them, like the vermin infestation that they are.

      The language of dehumanization is ugly.
      I'm glad that Western governments have abandoned it as a propaganda tool.
      I can only hope that some of the less evolved citizens of the West will abandon it as well.

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    9. Re: they will defeat themselves by mjtaylor24601 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "asylum seekers"

      You mean, greedy Third World swine with nothing to contribute, who think that they're "entitled" to live in a rich country because Whitey is rich and they are poor?

      As opposed to the greedy First World swine with nothing to contribute who think they're "entitled" to live in a rich country because of who's uterus they happened to be expelled from?

      Aren't sweeping generalizations fun!

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    10. Re:they will defeat themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's a difference between having faith in the actual God and pushing an agenda that you want God to support.

      Hear hear! It's like I'm always telling others, Ares has his own agenda, completely separate from whatever agendas you wish to push in His name.

      Ares is the actual God to which you were referring, yes? I mean, it's completely obvious to me that He is the one and only God, but since others seem to have different ideas about just who or what God is, I just wanted to make absolutely certain you too were referring to the actual God (and are not simply falling prey to that which you are speaking out against).

    11. Re:they will defeat themselves by Princeofcups · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That obviously can't happen because they've ignorantly shunned the sciences, but it could take a whole 'nother generation or two before that lack of knowledge really takes its toll (if they're left unchecked in the meantime).

      No silly rabbit. The people they rule are not allowed to have any learning. This is nothing more than a return to society a couple hundred years ago. The leaders will still have "western style" educations. That's how they stay in control.

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    12. Re:they will defeat themselves by Solandri · · Score: 5, Informative

      That said, what would really make it tough for them is a lack of opposition. Their tactics tend to be very self defeating when the larger powers don't overreact and get drawn into conflict with them.

      Normally that'd be the case. Their policies cripple their own society while competing societies flourish, until they eventually consign themselves to irrelevance.

      However, they're simply executing anyone who opposes them. For their tactic to be self-defeating, there has to be a competing society in the first place. People in the West tend to assume that the only way to "win" (in the democratic sense) is to convince people of the merits of your philosophy and get them to support you until you have a political majority. However, there's another way - simply exterminate those who oppose you, which is what ISIS is doing. Both strategies result in you having the support of the majority of the (remaining) population.

      Not opposing them now is going to mean the overwhelming majority of survivors in the region will subscribe to their philosophy. Even if you defeat them later and install a democracy, they're just going to vote for something close to ISIS again because everyone who would've voted differently is dead.. This is one of those cases where failing to stop them quickly is going to result in decades if not a century or more of problems down the road.

    13. Re:they will defeat themselves by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, I think the only option is to go in and kill every last one of them, like the vermin infestation that they are.

      Congratulations, you thought of the same strategy as them.

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    14. Re:they will defeat themselves by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you need to distinguish between terrorism and reign of terror. Hit-and-run bombings like the IRA or ETA rarely succeed in people giving in to terror. Taking actual control of areas, waving the flags and killing off all that oppose you has a much better historical record, ask anyone from Pol Pot to Hitler and Lenin and Mao. In case you haven't noticed, they're using their brutal savagery primarily to quell resistance and internal dissent. The story they're selling is that they're too fucking crazy to pick a fight with and so far they seem more than willing to put that reputation to the test and post it on YouTube.

      I mean, would you like to be in a resistance movement inside IS territory? Do they care that they can't find you? Heck no, they'll just round up a few civilians and shoot them in retaliation for your sabotage/assassination/sedition. Far more civilized occupants have used that tactic, all those millions of people they control are in practice hostages. You're fighting an enemy willing to overreact to any provocation, give them a push and you won't get a shove back they'll beat you to a bloody pulp. And given their history so far, I don't think they have a problem with human shields. You can not excise them without massive civilian casualties. Sadly I give them much better odds than you predict.

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  2. Of course they do by Lucas123 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When people learn critical thinking skills, they tend to automatically dismiss ignorant, hate-centered dogmas.

  3. Cue the Bozos by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cue the bozos, who, due to Slashdot hivemind, are now required to post "So, exactly like the USA!"

    ...and no, I'm not American.

  4. Re:Anti-math and anti-science ... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Obviously not the Abbasid Caliphate that funded the Baghdad House of Wisdom, home of Muhammed ibn musa al Kwarizmi.

    (the words algorithm and algebra are taken from his name and the titles of books he wrote).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    It's sickening to see these nutters rejecting the thought and culture that once lead the civilizations of the middle east to a true Golden Age.

    Now all we can do is hope that there will somehow be an Islamic Enlightenment. Perhaps in reaction to ISIS? It's hard to see it happening though.

  5. Re:Anti-math and anti-science ... by operagost · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem with your oversimplification is that the holy book of Christianity encourages pacifism, while the holy book of Islam encourages the subjugation of unbelievers.

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  6. Re:Anti-math and anti-science ... by hondo77 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...can you imagine the Pope leading a frenzied crowd in the St. Peters square in chants of "death to infidels" the way legitimate Muslim leaders do...

    So, what you're saying is that nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition?

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  7. Re:Anti-math and anti-science ... by WrongMonkey · · Score: 5, Informative

    final drop was the conquering of Jerusalem

    You need to check your own history. Muslims had ruled Jerusalem for 400 years before the First Crusade. It was a prosperous city of Muslims, Christians and Jews.

    The Crusades stand as one of the great atrocities of European history. The massacre of Jerusalem. Documented cannibalism at Antioch. The betrayal and sacking of Constantinople. And they accomplished NOTHING. All of the Crusader states fell in less than two hundred years.

  8. So... by TheBilgeRat · · Score: 5, Informative

    Are they completely forgetting that the original Islamic caliphate was the most scientific state of its day?

  9. Re:I LOVE READING PROPAGANDA by jythie · · Score: 5, Informative

    In 1953 the percentage of GDP from manufacturing was 28%. In 2012 it was at 12%. I'd call that a drop.

    Between 1953 and 2012 the GDP has gone up by about 600% (adjusted for inflation), so that is still a net increase in manufacturing by a significant margin, just not as large of an increase as other sectors.

  10. Re:I LOVE READING PROPAGANDA by toejam13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Geopolitics aside, some would say that a strong man who sees a horrific crime that he has the strength to stop has the moral responsibility to do so. ISIS has conquered territory by force of arms - do we want to allow that sort of thing to be acceptable on the world stage again? The way ISIS is treating their conquered subjects is horrific and appalling, and we should probably put a stop to it.

    Some would also suggest that the current instability within the Near and Middle East is the result of European colonial powers drawing national borders in such a way to cause instability and invoke inter-racial and inter-religious tension.

    Perhaps the better solution is to withdraw from the area and let the regional powers work the issue themselves. If that means a century of warfare, not unlike what Europe experienced after the Protestant Reformation, then so be it.

    Sure, such a conflict would result in a spike in the price of oil. But last time oil went above $160/bbl, we saw factories in North America being brought out of mothball, a renewed interest in alternative fuels (methane, nuclear, solar, wind), higher urban growth, an increase in the use of transit and a decrease in the use of petroleum derived fertilizers. Our economy and environment actually benefit in many ways when oil gets expensive.