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Hundreds of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City
mdsolar writes with an update on the People's Climate March. More than 400,000 people turned out for the People's Climate March in New York City on Sunday, just days before many of the world's leaders are expected to debate environmental action at the United Nations climate summit. Early reports from event organizers are hailing the turnout as the largest climate march in history, far bigger than the Forward on Climate rally held in Washington, D.C., last year. High-profile environmentalists including Bill McKibben, Leonardo DiCaprio, Jane Goodall and Vandana Shiva marched alongside policymakers such as Sens. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.). U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and former Vice President Al Gore were also there, and more than 550 buses carried in people from around the country.
550 buses not including air-travel for speeches that could have been gotten over the internet. How ironic.
How could I *NOT* accept it as established science?
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
Obviously, you don't understand how science works:
Record hot summer = Evidence of global warming
Record cold winter = Well, that's just weather, pay it no mind.
Extreme weather events = Evidence of global warming
Lack of extreme weather events = Well, that's just weather, pay it no mind.
Ice melting in Antarctica = Evidence of global warming
Record ice in arctic = Well, that's just weather, pay it no mind.
IT'S SCIENCE, PEOPLE!
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
It's climate change because some morons look out the window, see that it's cold today and decide that global warming must be fake.
While the global climate is warming, the effect locally at any given time may not be warming. It sometimes causes more extreme weather, including cold. Hence, climate change.
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Mass hype was harder back then.
Now you just create a facebook page, fill it will fact-stripped alarmist language with several "Last call! we're all going to burn in this life if nothing is done! Like and share" and get big enviro pick it up and you'll have it disseminated globally soon enough, with several hundreds or thousands of environmentally minded people jetting in form all over the place to participate in your political-religious activist parade.
I don't think you understand the difference between global warming and climate change.
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How dare you list all of that b-list trash, when the creator and original star of Mystery Science Theater was there!?! THAT'S a celebrity!
You'd also be complaining if they labeled it warming or cooling. It's fighting climate science by being a grammar nazi.
Just say "I don't care what happens to the world after I'm gone" if you don't, but stop playing word-games to justify your believes.
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March all ya want, business will go on, fuels burned, industry will churn. Only thing you can vote with here is your wallet. Marching does nothing, protesting does nothing, STOP BUYING THINGS YOU DON'T NEED IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE CLIMATE.
Start by not buying the bus ticket next time to a complete waste of time, effort and energy.
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I'm assuming you're referring to Oklahoma in the 1930's, right?
What, there have been "droughts for years" before now? How can that be???
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Something about this march has inspired a lot of ire across the internet, so before the negativity rolls in let me share my experience. I was hesitant to attend the march on Sunday, because I feel like protests like these are accomplishing less and less as time moves on. I was worried that people would feel they had 'done their duty' by showing up, and gone back to their day-to-day without changing anything. I've also constantly been cynical about the global warming movement, believing that we've done too much harm to reverse, that nothing we can do can slow the inexorable and extinction-level rise of global temperatures. After arguing about it with my girlfriend, I came to a few important conclusions. First, cynicism is laziness in disguise. The problem was too big, too scary, too complex, for me to tackle, but at this point is impossible to deny. How can I acknowledge the problem without allowing any responsibility to fall to myself? Cynicism and negativity (which I've seen comment board after comment board filled with regarding this subject). Another conclusion I came to was that our generation is going to be held accountable for any damage that climate change caused. We knew the danger, yet we allowed it to happen. I want to be able to tell the next generation, 'I tried.' I want to be able to show them pictures of the march and say, 'We were not filled with apathy, we fought, we tried.' Plenty of people who recognize the issue of climate change have been deriding the march based on the presence of socialists, 'dirty hippies,' punks, gays, etc. Yeah, there were some whackos there. I saw some people with signs about chem trails, 9/11 truthers, religious nuts. When you have 400,000 people in one place, you're not going to agree with all of them. But I also talked to doctors, scientists, politicians, students, teachers. And I work at a bank. Did we accomplish anything? Perhaps very little. But I could see the people there were galvanized by the event, their batteries were recharged, and they were full of hope. It generated discussion today. There are a lot of corporations throwing a lot of money around to prevent legislation regarding climate change. We can't challenge them on the money front, so numbers is one of the only tools we have left. If we can get enough people on our side, perhaps we can change the political climate (harr harr) through elections. I'd rather try, than sit at home and do nothing, and have to answer to future generations about my apathy.
I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, however, ...
Obviously, you don't understand how science works:
Record hot summer = Evidence of global warming
As part of a trend of record hot summers, for sure. Individually? Not unless the record heat is so extraordinary that it falls outside of what would be possible without global warming.
Record cold winter = Well, that's just weather, pay it no mind.
A record cold winter would be evidence against global warming if it was part of trend, or it was so cold that it fell out of what should be possible with global warming. Having said that, globally this past winter had the 3rd warmest december, the 4th warmest January and the 21st warmest February, none of which exactly qualify as "record cold" on the global scale.
Extreme weather events = Evidence of global warming
Again it's the trends in extreme weather events more than the individual events that matter with certain exceptions where the events themselves fall out of what would be possible without global warming.
Lack of extreme weather events = Well, that's just weather, pay it no mind.
Again, it the trends, not individual weather on any specific year that matters
Ice melting in Antarctica = Evidence of global warming
Record ice in arctic = Well, that's just weather, pay it no mind.
I think you might have your north and south mixed up. We're near the record low for Arctic ice extent, and at record highs in Antarctic ice extent. Both of which are expected as part of global warming.
IT'S SCIENCE, PEOPLE!
It actually is, whether or not you resort to derision and mockery.
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"Big enviro"? You mean the total sum of all non-carbon based energy industries, technology companies and carbon credits markets?
Show me your math.
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hey look, it's a guy who doesnt undertsand science, and misquotes what people say in order to tell them theyre wrong.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
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But I was always told it was okay to leave nothing but footprints!
Yes, that's why they had local events in other cities.
But I think it's kind of dumb to think that in a city with tens or hundreds of thousands of cars idling daily in traffic for the past 70 years, that 500 busses making a single trip is going to have a more negative impact than if leaders don't hear some kind of voice for change.
Mass hype was harder back then.
It's not just mass hype. People with completely unrelated causes march with their own banners. I didn't get a chance to walk through this protest, but I lived in New York City when all of those supposed "anti-war" protests were taking place. Sure, there were genuine anti-war protestors there - but you wouldn't believe how much of the mass was some random cause trying to get some sympathetic eyeballs. Animal rights, global warming, anti-corporation... you name it. Some of the pictures I've seen indicate the same thing happening here. I saw a group of people marching in white coats with a huge banner saying "HEALTHCARE IS A RIGHT" and a teeny tiny sign being held by one member saying "Global Warming affects Healthcare". LOL, wha?
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They filled NY with garbage. and I'm not talking about themselves. Note that a bunch of A-listers flew in on private jets too.
I bet that only 1 in 4 knew why they were actually marching. The rest were there for the party.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Yes, and I'm sure you're next post will be that nobody on the face of the earth has ever EVAR claimed that:
1. Hurricane Katrina
2. "Superstorm"* Sandy
3. The smelt-made California Drought
4. 2011 Japanese Tsunami **
5. Back to back record years for agriculture in the midwest in 2013-2014 ***
were caused by global warming!!
* So named because it wasn't even strong enough to count as a real hurricane... while stronger storms have been known to hit NYC in the 19th and early 20th centuries!
** Yes, earthquakes are now caused by Global Warming. Get with the politcally correct program you denialist scum.
*** No wait, that's not post-apocalyptic bad sounding. Two consecutive years of weather patterns over an entire geographic region is just an insignificant random weather event...
Now, a not-particularly unusually strong hurricane that happens to hit a low-lying city that's in the middle of a region where you expect to see hurricanes over a 12 hour period... THAT'S CLIMATE CHANGE YOU DENIALIST SCUM!
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Someone found litter in NYC. Stop the presses. The whole environmental movement is a scam!
I read the internet for the articles.
Obviously, you don't understand how science works:
Record hot summer = Evidence of global warming
That's a record hot after NOAA has adjusted the past temperatures downward.
There are records, and then there are records.
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The terminology "climate change" goes back to at least the 1950's in the literature, "global warming" first appears in the 70's. There was no confusion until the early 2000's when this silly terminology argument was started by the brain fart of "public opinion guru" Frank Luntz, a GWB advisor who penned a memo advising the Bush administration to use the term "climate change" in preference to "global warming" because...I don't recall why...it "sounded less threatening"......or something equally inane and deceitful.
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But those were GOOD buses, carrying environmental activists to a protest, as opposed to those BAD buses, which carry Silicon Valley nerds to work.
"F*ck the poor people who want to stay warm, or get to a job. They should die off anyway, the earth is overpopulated!"
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
no, that's an extremely efficient way to travel compared to individual cars. Did you know a diesel bus can get over 150 passenger miles / gallon compared to 49 for jet?
Again, it the trends, not individual weather on any specific year that matters
Except that after every single warm snap or hurricane the same people who were smugly reminding us that "weather is not climate" are busy pointing to the event as "evidence" of AGW, which it is not. Distributions are evidence, events are not, because the science shows that the AGW/no-AGW distributions substantially overlap in our current situation, particularly with regard to extreme weather events.
So only a person who does not understand science and statistics would ever suggest that any single event or small handful of events is worth mentioning as evidence either way. And yet Warmists are always out in force after any given extremum telling us it "proves" AGW.
Don't get me wrong: AGW is real, although there are some pretty well-proven techniques for reducing it (notably carbon taxes, which also have the benefit of reducing corporate and income taxes, so you'd have to be some anti-capitalist nut-job to oppose them). But anyone who ever opens their mouth to point at a single event as if it was somehow worth the bother of discussing is an anti-science wing-nut, and adds only heat, not light, to the discussion.
Blasphemy is a human right. Blasphemophobia kills.
The science is settled. What remains is to rally people to action en masse - more like "putting bums on seats" than proving theorems.
Actually, I've yet to see that come from anyone that's actually in the field of climate science. Don't conflate internet commenters and assorted science writers with people that are actually studying the climate. Every time a big climate event happened, I saw a lot of hedging from climate scientists who were consistently pointing out that one event is impossible to extrapolate from.
If you'd care to provide an example of someone actually in research and not someone that you should probably be ignoring, I'd be interested to see it. (Really, I would--it would be a very unusual event.)
One of course wonders about the seriousness of a model that does not take account the oceans in the first place. These people don't care about reducing their own carbon footprints in any meaningful way. But they do care about reducing *your* carbon footprint, preferably using the heavy hand of an all-powerful state, that they envision themselves directing.
On the contrary, Sandy was a category 2 hurricane when it made landfall on Cuba. Moreover, it still had hurricane-force winds when it made landfall in New Jersey; the only reason it wasn't called a "hurricane" was that it was post-tropical. In other words, it was as severe as a hurricane, but a different kind of storm.
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It's not like, since 2010, that China, India, and the US are responsible for creating all the increased climate change gasses for Global Warming.
Oh.
Wait.
It is.
Just end the fossil fuels subsidies and tax exemptions and cheap land and sea leases and the entire system will fix itself. This is why Adam Smith, the Father of Capitalism (and a Scot), warned against the anti-capitalist Mercantalists.
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It is the very definition of bourgeoisie... I hope somebody totals up all the carbon they put out getting there, all so nicely dressed, with their pretty signs. A media created event if there ever was one..
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People with completely unrelated causes march with their own banners.
That is the "Professional Left" (a term used by former Obama press secretary Robert Gibbs) in action. The ProLeft seeks out anyone at all who is angry or can be convinced to be angry about anything, no matter how fringe, unreasonable or wack-o. The ProLeft then effectively makes that person or group an offer that amounts to "Do what we tell you to do. Protest where and when we tell you to protest. Say what we tell you to say about everything, not just about your particular grievance, and you will be rewarded by having a whole bunch of other people backing up your complaints. You may even get some political favoritism or taxpayer subsidies for your cause." The unifying themes are always 1) society won't change on its own so political policy must be formulated to force a change on society 2) the government must always gain power and personal political freedom must always be reduced 3) the existing culture must be undermined and destroyed.
That's how the ProLeft co-opts others to work for its goals, creating the illusion that there are large numbers of people who care about things that, in reality, almost no one really cares about. Things like destroying one's standard of living in order to combat some undefined and nebulous threat to the climate or changing the name of the Washington Redskins or changing the definition of marriage in order to appease the gheys. Nobody really gives a damn about such issues, but the ProLeft creates the illusion that people really do. Well, the ProLeft also uses other techniques like indoctrination through the schools and threats to property, careers and even personal safety.
Science is changing every environmental measurement scale to make things seem more extreme? Look that up. Tornadoes and hurricanes now have factored in the amount of damage they do. So a F3 tornado on the old scale becomes a F5 because it hits a more heavily populated area. Same with earthquake scales. Now winter storms are receiving names even though I remember storms just as bad in my youth, now they are "extreme!!!" Tropical storms are now "SUPERSTORMS!!!". The kicker is we are less then a year past the IPCC models to be proven wrong and they still are hammering home that their prediction are still correct even though there was scientific proof that no significant warming to place in the last 15+ years. You can't tout science till it doesn't agree with your stance because it makes you a hypocrite and makes the people that ignore it seem like they are out for money and nothing else. I was like the CC community touting Gore as the messiah till his hypocritical action were pointed out, then it was "well he isn't really a scientist, and he doesn't stand for all CC believers". I akin it to fans of certain baseballers not wanting to admit the players they are big fans of did steroids to reach the level they did.
Sorry, the "trends" do not support your alarmism.
The trend in temperature is flat for the past 13-22 years depending on which temperature series you look at. And that does not account for the blatant "adjustments" to make to past appear cooler (GISS we are looking at you here !).
The best temperature measurement (USCRN -Google that ) with pristine rural sites, no adjustments, triple redundant aspirated platinum sensors, since inception 10 years ago, shows NO warming at all, confirming the temperature plateau.
There is NO trend to increasing tornadoes, heavy rains, hurricanes etc. Despite media manipulation of weather stories to create fear in a gullible public with poor or short memories.
The sun is an a quiet mode, in the past this has meant cooling, as well as the ocean decadal oscillations are going into their cool phases. This means the earth is probably cooling soon. And this is why the global warming alarmists are panicking trying to ram some draconian energy disaster upon the world before the cooling becomes apparent. And when it cools, we will need that energy.
Sea level is rising as it has for hundreds of thousands of years, and shows NO trend to accelerating.
Saying this year or that year is the hottest in the record says nothing about temperatures rising. It is like a 30 year old man saying that his height is the tallest for the past five years of his life. It does not mean that the temperature is rising or he is getting taller.
Antarctic ice is a record high extent, and this is NOT predicted by global warming models. Arctic ice is increasing the past couple of years, and is nearing the 2 sigma from the 30 year climate mean, which means we are approchign what would be normal arctic ice.
You had me till you pointed to carbon taxes as a proven technique. Carbon tax is a money scam and the is easily proven.
Here's the thing. Whether it's happening... whether it's human caused or not... LET'S STOP POLLUTION FOR IT'S OWN SAKE.
I totally agree.
But all of the Alarmists don't care at all about pollution, they only care about CO2 - which is not pollution, and stopping that does pretty much nothing in terms of stopping real pollution.
When you all get back to caring about the environment and not making people at alternative energy companies (or carbon exchanges) rich please get back to us so we can start trying to protect the environment again.
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Whether the climate is changing is settled, because it always changes. Whether human activity is a factor is settled, because it does. So far so good. Unfortunately, however, the effect of that activity on future climate is not at all settled, and that's unfortunate because it's the question that actually matters.
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You could change "Professional Left" to "Professional Right" and a few other words in your little pile of straw men and it would be just about as applicable.