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Obama Presses China On Global Warming

HughPickens.com writes: The NY Times reports that President Obama spoke at the United Nations Climate Change Summit and challenged China to make the same effort to reduce its greenhouse-gas emissions and join a worldwide campaign to curb global warming. Obama's words were directly focused on putting the onus on China, an essential partner of the U.S. if a global climate treaty is to be negotiated by 2015. The U.S. and China bear a "special responsibility to lead," said Obama. "That's what big nations have to do." The U.S., Obama said, would meet a pledge to reduce its carbon emissions by 17 percent, from 2005 levels, by 2020 — a goal that is in large part expected to be met through proposed EPA regulation.

There were indications that China might be ready with its own plan, although many experts say they will be skeptical until Chinese officials reveal the details. A senior Chinese official said his country would try to reach a peak level of carbon emissions "as early as possible." This suggests the Chinese government, struggling with air pollution so extreme that it has threatened economic growth, regularly kept millions of children indoors and ignited street protests, was determined to show faster progress in curbing emissions. In recent years, the Chinese government has sent other signals about addressing carbon pollution, some of them encouraging to environmental experts. "Five years ago, it was almost unimaginable to discuss China putting a cap on carbon, but now that is happening," said Lo Sze Ping, chief executive officer of the World Wildlife Fund's office in Beijing. "Chinese leaders have seen that it is imperative to move toward a low-carbon economy."

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  1. The pot calling the kettle black by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remember the Kyoto protocol?

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    1. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      China wouldn't need to burn so much coal if we in the West stopped using them for their child labor just so we can have iStuff and other bling a little bit cheaper.

    2. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I came here to post just this. America is one of the worst examples of climate policy. I believe they took the position of saying if developing countries don't need to sign up then why should we. Capitalism at it's finest, the "first mover" advantage.

      Not as disappointing as Canada though. At least everyone expects the USA to be a global ass, it's a shame Canada simply threw the environment into the "too hard" basket.

    3. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by Layzej · · Score: 4, Interesting

      China is now producing one wind turbine every hour: http://www.tutor2u.net/blog/in... (while we squabble about whether radiative physics is a real thing or just Greenpeace propaganda)

    4. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 5, Informative

      China is kicking the worlds ass when it comes to clean air generation progress. The nuclear plants they have under construction will generate more electricity than all of Germany multi-hundred billion euro wind and solar effort and the US's combined. And then.... they plan to build more. Meanwhile, we send them huge sums of money for PV panels that are not even making a blip on the offset chart.

      And, they will continue because they don't have to deal with a political element that drives solutions down paths driven by the uninformed.

    5. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by just_another_sean · · Score: 3, Informative

      With Stephen Harper in charge the Canadian government doesn't look much different than the US's these days.

      He is as bad as any leader we've ever had when it comes to science in general.

      http://thetyee.ca/News/2013/12...

      http://www.academicmatters.ca/...

      http://www.climatesciencewatch...

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    6. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by coofercat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You'll also have noticed that this is all about "asking" China to do something, and not about America doing anything at all. All Obama had to do was to say "we're going to add a 5% import tax on all Chinese products that don't have a green certificate". That sort of approach may not be perfect, but it hurts the Chinese in ways that they can remedy, and whilst it ostensibly hurts the American consumer, the tax collected helps them in other ways. The tax collected could be used to stimulate local manufacturing or something - or perhaps green projects.

      So as it stands, this is just one dirty country asking another dirty country to clean up. Doesn't mean anything at all, and apart from some carefully worded responses, the Chinese need do nothing about it at all.

    7. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 3, Informative

      A big picture, fact based view... in case anyone is interested.

      http://www.economist.com/news/...

    8. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by argStyopa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Histrionic nonsense.

      U.S. total CO2 emissions for coal, oil and natural gas were 5,584 (million) metric tons in 1997. U.S. CO2 emissions rose to 6,023 (million) metric tons of CO2 in 2007 before they began to fall. In 2012, U.S. CO2 emissions fell to 5,293 (million) metric tons. That is 291 (million) metric tons less than they were in 1997 and 730 (million) metric tons less than their 2007 peak.

      291 (million) metric tons below 1997 levels is a 5.2% reduction in CO2 emissions. It EXACTLY meets the Kyoto requirement.

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    9. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      China is kicking the worlds ass when it comes to clean air generation progress.

      China is moving its dirty coal burning plants away from the cities, not getting rid of them

      Coal gas boom in China holds climate change risks

      This is the first of more than 60 coal-to-gas plants China wants to build, mostly in remote parts of the country where ethnic minorities have farmed and herded for centuries. Fired up in December, the multibillion-dollar plant bombards millions of tons of coal with water and heat to produce methane, which is piped to Beijing to generate electricity.

      It's part of a controversial energy revolution China hopes will help it churn out desperately needed natural gas and electricity while cleaning up the toxic skies above the country's eastern cities. However, the plants will also release vast amounts of heat-trapping carbon dioxide, even as the world struggles to curb greenhouse gas emissions and stave off global warming.

      If all of the plants start up, the carbon dioxide they'd release would equal three-quarters of all energy-related carbon emissions in the U.S., according to U.S. government data and energy experts from Duke and Stanford universities. That is far more than now produced in China by burning coal, the country's main source of power.

      And the nuclear plants they have under construction will produce more power than the USA's (#1) and France's (#2) nuclear power combined.
      Yet they will still need all that dirty coal power to meet their energy demands.

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    10. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Don't be so quick to defend Bush 41. Remember this golden oldie?

      "THE American way of life is not up for negotiation." That was the stance struck by the elder George Bush at the first Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992.

      While I think it is inaccurate to equate the two parties on environmental policy, I think this quote from Bush 41 best summarizes what we Americans as a whole really think about the environment: it's nice to have around for postcards and stuff, and ought to be the beneficiary of a few feel-good measures, so long as they're painless - but anything that costs real money or jobs is simply inconceivable. Any President who asks us to sacrifice for the future will simply be playing Carter to the inevitable Reagan who will come along to tell us that nothing we could ever do is bad, and everything will work to the greater good so long as we simply help ourselves and feel great about it. And that man will win the next election, in a landslide, every time.

  2. Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The US consumes 1.6KW of power per person. China consumes 0.4KW.

    An average US person consumes 4x more power than a Chinese person. The US ought to cut its fuel and power consumption before snubbing other nations.

    1. Re:Funny by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Haiti consumes 0.01KW/person. We should all strive to reach the ecological responsibility displayed by Haitians.

    2. Re:Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      it is even more uneven, as US outsources its CO2 to China via manufacturing products which ultimately end up in US consumer hands.

      If the CO2 was accounted to a country according to where the product ended-up then US would be consuming much more CO2 and China much less.

    3. Re:Funny by Malc · · Score: 5, Informative

      The dirty three (US, Canada and Australia) all produce more than 16 tonnes CO2 per person.

      The EU about 6.8

      China produces 7.2

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scie...

      Perhaps the US should demonstrate how big countries lead and actually do something meaningful about its emissions instead of hypocritically lecturing.

      None of the figures above actually account for outsourcing manufacturing to China from the US and EU. In that light the Western country's CO2 production is much and China's lower.

  3. Think about the children by Camembert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean it seriously, we need to think about what kind of world we leave for our children.
    There is global warming, leading to more chaotic and extreme weather patterns. There is also pollution in general/
    I currently live in Hong Kong. In general that is a great experience but there are days when lots of smog comes from the Shenzen area. I first thought it was fog, that is how bad it can be.
    We should all do an effort, on country, company and personal level to make this world more livable for our children.

  4. Re:Can the US survive 2 more years... by uslurper · · Score: 3

    Hey if we slip into being a 3rd world country, we can call ourselves a 'developing nation' and ignore the kyoto protocol like china does.

    Seriously, "China is running roughshod over us " is not accurate. WE are running roughshod over ourselves.
    WE want our cheap stuff and our own companies are happy to invest in factories in China, Myanmar, Malyasia, etc. WE have financed their industrial growth. WE have voted on laws and politicians that enable 'free trade' with countries that cannot afford our own products.

    If you want to say you think the US is going in the wrong direction, fine. But follow that up with REAL solutions. How do you suggest we reduce greenhouse gasses? -Gee-wiz, Mr. Keqiang, can you please stop using those coal-powered factories that we paid you to build? Ya, thats going to go real well.

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