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Obama Presses China On Global Warming

HughPickens.com writes: The NY Times reports that President Obama spoke at the United Nations Climate Change Summit and challenged China to make the same effort to reduce its greenhouse-gas emissions and join a worldwide campaign to curb global warming. Obama's words were directly focused on putting the onus on China, an essential partner of the U.S. if a global climate treaty is to be negotiated by 2015. The U.S. and China bear a "special responsibility to lead," said Obama. "That's what big nations have to do." The U.S., Obama said, would meet a pledge to reduce its carbon emissions by 17 percent, from 2005 levels, by 2020 — a goal that is in large part expected to be met through proposed EPA regulation.

There were indications that China might be ready with its own plan, although many experts say they will be skeptical until Chinese officials reveal the details. A senior Chinese official said his country would try to reach a peak level of carbon emissions "as early as possible." This suggests the Chinese government, struggling with air pollution so extreme that it has threatened economic growth, regularly kept millions of children indoors and ignited street protests, was determined to show faster progress in curbing emissions. In recent years, the Chinese government has sent other signals about addressing carbon pollution, some of them encouraging to environmental experts. "Five years ago, it was almost unimaginable to discuss China putting a cap on carbon, but now that is happening," said Lo Sze Ping, chief executive officer of the World Wildlife Fund's office in Beijing. "Chinese leaders have seen that it is imperative to move toward a low-carbon economy."

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  1. The pot calling the kettle black by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remember the Kyoto protocol?

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    1. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      China wouldn't need to burn so much coal if we in the West stopped using them for their child labor just so we can have iStuff and other bling a little bit cheaper.

    2. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by Layzej · · Score: 4, Interesting

      China is now producing one wind turbine every hour: http://www.tutor2u.net/blog/in... (while we squabble about whether radiative physics is a real thing or just Greenpeace propaganda)

    3. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 5, Informative

      China is kicking the worlds ass when it comes to clean air generation progress. The nuclear plants they have under construction will generate more electricity than all of Germany multi-hundred billion euro wind and solar effort and the US's combined. And then.... they plan to build more. Meanwhile, we send them huge sums of money for PV panels that are not even making a blip on the offset chart.

      And, they will continue because they don't have to deal with a political element that drives solutions down paths driven by the uninformed.

    4. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by coofercat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You'll also have noticed that this is all about "asking" China to do something, and not about America doing anything at all. All Obama had to do was to say "we're going to add a 5% import tax on all Chinese products that don't have a green certificate". That sort of approach may not be perfect, but it hurts the Chinese in ways that they can remedy, and whilst it ostensibly hurts the American consumer, the tax collected helps them in other ways. The tax collected could be used to stimulate local manufacturing or something - or perhaps green projects.

      So as it stands, this is just one dirty country asking another dirty country to clean up. Doesn't mean anything at all, and apart from some carefully worded responses, the Chinese need do nothing about it at all.

    5. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Don't be so quick to defend Bush 41. Remember this golden oldie?

      "THE American way of life is not up for negotiation." That was the stance struck by the elder George Bush at the first Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992.

      While I think it is inaccurate to equate the two parties on environmental policy, I think this quote from Bush 41 best summarizes what we Americans as a whole really think about the environment: it's nice to have around for postcards and stuff, and ought to be the beneficiary of a few feel-good measures, so long as they're painless - but anything that costs real money or jobs is simply inconceivable. Any President who asks us to sacrifice for the future will simply be playing Carter to the inevitable Reagan who will come along to tell us that nothing we could ever do is bad, and everything will work to the greater good so long as we simply help ourselves and feel great about it. And that man will win the next election, in a landslide, every time.

  2. Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The US consumes 1.6KW of power per person. China consumes 0.4KW.

    An average US person consumes 4x more power than a Chinese person. The US ought to cut its fuel and power consumption before snubbing other nations.

    1. Re:Funny by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Haiti consumes 0.01KW/person. We should all strive to reach the ecological responsibility displayed by Haitians.

    2. Re:Funny by Malc · · Score: 5, Informative

      The dirty three (US, Canada and Australia) all produce more than 16 tonnes CO2 per person.

      The EU about 6.8

      China produces 7.2

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scie...

      Perhaps the US should demonstrate how big countries lead and actually do something meaningful about its emissions instead of hypocritically lecturing.

      None of the figures above actually account for outsourcing manufacturing to China from the US and EU. In that light the Western country's CO2 production is much and China's lower.

  3. Think about the children by Camembert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean it seriously, we need to think about what kind of world we leave for our children.
    There is global warming, leading to more chaotic and extreme weather patterns. There is also pollution in general/
    I currently live in Hong Kong. In general that is a great experience but there are days when lots of smog comes from the Shenzen area. I first thought it was fog, that is how bad it can be.
    We should all do an effort, on country, company and personal level to make this world more livable for our children.