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Ask Slashdot: How To Keep Students' Passwords Secure?

First time accepted submitter bigal123 writes My son's school is moving more and more online and is even assigning Chromebooks or iPads to students (depending on the grade). In some cases they may have books, but the books stay home and they have user names and passwords to the various text book sites. They also have user names/passwords to several other school resources. Most all the sites are 3rd party. So each child may have many user names (various formats) and passwords. They emphasized how these elementary kids needed to keep their passwords safe and not share them with other kids. However when asked about the kids remembering all the user names and passwords the school said they are going to have the kids write them down in a notebook. This seemed like a very bad practice for a classroom and to/from home situation. Do others have good password management suggestions or suggestions for a single sign-on process (no/minimal cost) for kids in school accessing school provisioned resources?

191 comments

  1. OpenID by NotInHere · · Score: 2

    They log on on one site, and use that login to log in to all other sites.

    1. Re:OpenID by Cenan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I tend to agree with this. Don't take away all the risks from these kids, they need to learn about the consequences of insecure passwords sometime. So their home page shows up in all pink, or all their notes have been translated to Ancient Egyptian - better now than when the stakes are higher. And they'll learn the lesson much better from personal experience.

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    2. Re:OpenID by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      On the other hand they are kids so now would be a good time to teach them good habits such as password security.

    3. Re:OpenID by RabidReindeer · · Score: 2

      On the other hand they are kids so now would be a good time to teach them good habits such as password security.

      One of the best ways to do that is let them abuse each others accounts. While it's still something relatively harmless that gets trashed.

    4. Re:OpenID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And lets' take away their seatbelts so they learn not to drink and drive.

    5. Re:OpenID by thieh · · Score: 1

      Who cares about those passwords anyways? They are kids for christsake. Just give the teacher admin password to reset and change everything. They WILL steal eachothers passwords, they will share them, they will make up "funny" passwords if they get to choose. They are kids, let them be kids. Being impulsive, naive, and, well, juvenile, is integral part of being a kid. Also, they already remember all the important passwords, such as their facebook, online games etc.

      Better question: do we want that to be an opportunity to teach them how to manage passwords/manage their own system so that their bad habit don't stick with them all the way into old age homes?

    6. Re:OpenID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And give them Slashdot accounts so they learn how to make a strawman.

    7. Re:OpenID by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      It's not like they're going to completely avoid explaining/teaching them how to do this. Just tell them, allow them to screw up and then *grade* them on their performance like you do with every other subject you teach them. Password security is easily infected with paranoia and being over done. At the elementary school level, it's not like there's anything worth keeping under heavy security.

    8. Re:OpenID by leonardluen · · Score: 2

      That is just harsh, they will be mocked mercilessly when they have an 8 digit slashdot ID because you didn't let them signup for slashdot.

    9. Re:OpenID by leonardluen · · Score: 1

      oops nevermind, guess i need my eyes checked. thought you had said take away their slashdot accounts.

    10. Re:OpenID by multimediavt · · Score: 2

      I tend to agree with this. Don't take away all the risks from these kids, they need to learn about the consequences of insecure passwords sometime. So their home page shows up in all pink, or all their notes have been translated to Ancient Egyptian - better now than when the stakes are higher. And they'll learn the lesson much better from personal experience.

      Wholeheartedly agree. I would require my child to use the password(s) regularly and not rely on some tool to store them where they don't know what they are and can't remember them should something keep them from the application containing them. People don't know or forget passwords because they don't actually use them. I see this ALL THE TIME! People store their passwords and then forget them ause their brains aren't being used to store and recall them on a regular basis. I have only a few passwords that I don't know off the top of my head, and those I store encrypted, but the daily use ones I type in every time.

    11. Re:OpenID by ami.one · · Score: 1

      Replying to undo wrong moderation

    12. Re:OpenID by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2

      DAAAD. Why does my facebook say I like boys?

      We've been over that, you didn't use SSL. I intercepted your stream and rewrote it.

    13. Re:OpenID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that anything an adult tells them about best security practices is near guaranteed to be completely wrong (just look at all the conflicting mostly garbage stuff slashdotters recommend).

      Since nothing kids do in school is important enough to really need reliable security, but it will seem super important to the students it's a perfect opportunity to apply the "toss them in the river" approach and let them learn about the consequences of bad security practices (along with what security practices are bad) by trial and error.

      The Important thing to remember is that you hold the kid accountable for anything that happens to their account.

    14. Re:OpenID by Nyder · · Score: 1

      What the fuck does seatbelts have to do with drinking & driving?

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    15. Re:OpenID by mjwx · · Score: 1

      THis, or just write them down in a notebook. Who cares about those passwords anyways? They are kids for christsake. Just give the teacher admin password to reset and change everything. They WILL steal eachothers passwords, they will share them, they will make up "funny" passwords if they get to choose. They are kids, let them be kids. Being impulsive, naive, and, well, juvenile, is integral part of being a kid. Also, they already remember all the important passwords, such as their facebook, online games etc.

      Point in short, you cant teach children to be secure.

      I work for a university, you cant rely on students following the most basic of security policies so you have to treat student accounts like they've already been compromised. Make sure a student account cant access anything remotely important or dangerous.

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    16. Re:OpenID by anonxanon · · Score: 1

      I agree with this. It's good to let them be aware of privacy/security at an early age, but kids will be kids!

  2. password manager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use Lastpass, but there are more: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407168,00.asp
    Other than that, kids will need to learn how to deal with passwords.

    1. Re:password manager by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you don't want to use a password manager, create each password with a base word that is not written down, then add characters to each password that are written down. For instance, the base word could be "boxcar". Then, actual passwords might be boxcar357a, just write down the 357a. Or some variation of this approach.

    2. Re:password manager by Rosyna · · Score: 1

      If they are using iPads with the latest version of iOS 8, they can just save the passwords using the keychain in safari with autofill (only works if a site is HTTPS, however)

    3. Re:password manager by Wootery · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just don't forget that - whatever Steve Gibson has to say on the matter - it does rely on the competence and integrity of the LastPass crew.

      If LastPass rework their website so that your password is sent to them (rather than the encrypted hash generated by JavaScript), they can do decryption locally on their side (rather than in JavaScript in your browser), then they can read your passwords.

      If they get man-in-the-middled somehow - by a malicious employee, say - your passwords are no longer yours.

      They could engineer their site to be subpoena-friendly. (Whether they have, I don't know.)

      Also, if someone hits you on the head after you've signed in to LastPass, they have all your passwords.

    4. Re:password manager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they are using the latest and greatest it can work sometimes under some circumstances?!?! Well sign me up!!!!

    5. Re:password manager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Podcast you linked to is from 2010?

    6. Re:password manager by Nemesisghost · · Score: 1

      I've not heard of Lastpass. But when I was looking for a password generator I found KeePass & use that. I then have a cloud drive I keep the DB stored on & install the app on w/e device I need/want to access the accounts stored within on. And while I've not done this myself, I have see KeePass auto enter Username/Password into a website. I just copy/paste them manually, and the apps erase the clipboard after 30sec for the more security conscience.
      Using a password manager of any sort allows you to have long random passwords and not have to actually remember any of them, unless you secure access to them with another password. Considering the issues that have been highlighted where having multiple significant accounts tied to the same username & password, I would highly recommend everybody use some sort of a password manager besides a web browser password storage.

    7. Re:password manager by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thank you, I've been posting this to every password-related Slashdot article for years and never managed to get modded up. My scheme is a slight variation, where the "357a" part is derived from the name of the web site or application you are logging into. Maybe you use the vowels in the web site name and their count: so the password for homework.com might produce "boxcaroeoo4." With this approach, instead of writing down "357a" or "oeoo" you write down "vowels + count" or "standard derivation" or something like that. The benefit is that if you use the same algorithm most of the time you don't have to write anything down.

    8. Re:password manager by thieh · · Score: 1

      Or OTPIE on top of a less complicated password

    9. Re:password manager by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      See Spot.
      See Spot3 run.
      Run, Spot$# run!

      Like this?

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    10. Re:password manager by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Also, if someone hits you on the head after you've signed in to LastPass, they have all your passwords.

      I see this as a positive thing if you don't wish to get hit on the head multiple times.

    11. Re:password manager by RJFerret · · Score: 1

      Simpler for kids is use a pattern, and base the first key off a letter in the website.

      So password for Slashdot might be sdsasd (right, left, right). For Google+, ghgfgh. For pornhub, p[pop[

      These are just examples, nowadays many require a number/shifted number be part of it, so I'd include that before or after the pattern. That way it's easy, the same pattern everywhere, just a different start point, unique, relatively secure, doesn't teach the bad idea of writing a password down, and is much faster to enter.

      (Note, these types of passwords are hard to enter on a mobile device without a qwerty keyboard.)

    12. Re: password manager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But what do you do when a site forces you to change passwords every 6 months, no same passwords in the last 4 and must vary by at least 5 characters?

    13. Re:password manager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or if LastPass gets compromised like they did a couple of years ago when I dropped them like a hot potato. For anything you can't afford to lose, the 'cloud' is not the place for it.

    14. Re:password manager by shia84 · · Score: 2

      I've been using this scheme (base word + something connected to what the service does, usually in leetspeak) for about 15 years now to help me remember passwords for obscure/rarely used accounts.
      The most important insight is: use it ONLY for unimportant/throwaway stuff and PLEASE stop recommending it as a general method to people.
      I have more than three dozen accounts and passwords. At some point one of those WILL be breached, probably without you ever being aware of it, and without any blame on your side. It happens even to the likes of Amazon. And then what? Anybody who takes more than 5 seconds to look at your password, or even a malicious system maintainer who grabs passwords at login, will be in a position where your passwords are just 3-4 token variations (and we're all are aware how quickly you can break 4 character passwords even by hand).
      Sure, it's not very vulnerable to automation (unless somebody decides that enough people are using this and couples it to pattern matching with the service and identified base words as input, and a brute forcer), but once a human mind sets you as a target, your online world is SOL.

      IMO the best password scheme is still 8+ tokens (letters like 'a', words like "house", numbers like 123) that have absolutely NO CONNECTION to the service that offers the account or to publicly available information about you.
      A good pattern (among many others) is to draw from an unrelated memorable sentence at the time you are creating the account. For example if you joined Slashdot last month while listening to the news, you may have thought "Hopefully the Russian annexation of Crimea doesn't start a war" and take the first letter of every word: "HtRaoCdsaw".
      Or for a shorter sentence ("Let's not have a war again") every second word: "notaagain", but note that these are only 3 tokens, i.e. as bad as a 3 character password, so you have to spice it up through punctuation and leetspeak, according to a personal scheme of yours. But the important part is that when someone discovers and understands your scheme by looking at a leaked password, they will still have no chance of cracking your other accounts because the base sentence is unrelated. And since you picked something memorable, the mnemonic hook will help you remember it for years.

    15. Re:password manager by multimediavt · · Score: 1

      Or better yet, use things that you will remember, for me it's song lyrics, and then transpose numbers and symbols for characters using a pattern that you create and remember, e.g., "Row, Row, Row Your Boat!" becomes R0wR0wR0wY0urB0@t! I create secure, strong, easy to remember passwords that way and it's a process even a thrid grader can learn, probably even earlier. I do not advocate storing passwords nor wrinting them down unless they aren't used regularly. The ones I use often I keep in my head! It's just not that difficult to come up with a good scheme.

    16. Re:password manager by Comboman · · Score: 1

      For additional security, the non-base part can be writen down in a non-obvious way, for example a spiral. If my password was aBcDe123$, I would write down:

      aBc
      3$D
      21e

      Or a zig-zag with a bunch of unused symbols:

      aoooeooo$
      oBoDo1o3o
      oocooo2oo

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    17. Re:password manager by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Why need to make it that complicate?

      - Use your password as a salt and the website then cut it down to how many characters you use. Most websites allow for 8.

      - md5("hunter2" + "slashdot.org")

      - sha265(md5("hunter2" + "slashdot.org"))

      For websites that insist on upper and lowercase or special characters I wrote my own "rot72" that will rotate the numbers and lowercase letters through specials and uppercase.

      It's trivial to implement in about any language:

        echo -n hunter2slashdot.org | md5sum | sha1sum
      f096039fd8dc0ff71e3144526321639d5ecd4622 -

      Then just clip off 6-10 characters and you have a very easy to find password (I honestly don't any of my passwords) but very hard to go the other way.

      For work where they insist on changing a password every quarter I add "Q1-4" to the beginning of that.

    18. Re:Password Manager by sudon't · · Score: 1

      Why is this post modded down? A password manager is an excellent solution, and teaching people to use them while they're young would save them (and me) problems for the rest of their life. Aside from storing passwords, a good password manager can be used to generate solid, unique, (and memorable, for those few you need to memorize), passwords for each site. I don't know about you, but I'm sick of having to jump through extra hoops in order to accommodate the lazy and ignorant. Please teach these kids to use a password manager.

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    19. Re:password manager by Rosyna · · Score: 1

      Because otherwise it would leak passwords to insecure sites, in plain text.

    20. Re:password manager by shia84 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I strongly dislike the idea of sitting in a public place and typing my "salt password" visibly into a prompt (especially if it litters the bash history), and then also getting the resulting login password in clear text.

      I guess you're not proposing to remember those pseudorandom login passwords, because that's a pain for dozens of accounts (and you could then simply use any input or even sites like http://www.passwordgenerator.e...)

    21. Re:password manager by sudon't · · Score: 1

      All nice systems, but my password manager popped up these choices instantly:

      howl#6crusher

      vetch*402tweed

      Aswan56]japans

      shared-69.cocoA

      scarfs488/fats

      tank59)Madelyn

      All solid enough passwords, (entropy ~80 as measured by Keychain, but you can move the slider if you want longer/stronger ones), and memorable if you need to memorize one. And whichever one you choose, it's saved forever, along with the rest of your login info in the password manager. There is a free password manager included with Mac OS since at least 2002, called Keychain, which is well integrated with other apps, and password managers are available for other OS's. I've never had an account compromised, and if one were, it would not affect any of the others.

      Also, why am I getting double line breaks with the BR tag?

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    22. Re:password manager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem I always run into with homemade password schemes like this, is that there's always some overbearing system administrator who makes paternalistic rules that are incompatible with the scheme.
      "Your password must be between 7 and 6 characters"
      "No special characters"
      "Must contain 1 special character"
      "Cannot be similar to any password you've already used" -- which btw means they aren't storing salted hashes
      "You will be assigned a password. But somehow 'keep it safe!' even though someone else already knows it."

      News flash to all admins everywhere - your users don't think your system is as special and unique as you do. Let us have our stupid imperfect passwords or we'll just stick "Bu||Sh1t" to the monitor.

    23. Re:password manager by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2

      You don't have to do it that way. It was a case and point on how you can easily remember a password but not your password

      I made a javascript that does it locally (no sending my passwords cleartext over the internet).

      If SSH to my home computer is compromised a password to Slashdot is the least I have to worry about. SSH is also protected with Google Authenticator so I have to have my phone with me to log in with 2-factor.

      I use LastPass to remember my passwords but in a pinch, (not on a machine with LastPass, Last Pass goes out of business, etc) I can always regenerate my passwords.

    24. Re: password manager by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      If the new password must vary by at least five characters, they must be keeping a copy of the password, so you know they have crap security anyway. Use a base and append the month name or something (except that they're likely to have a character limit). Don't sweat the security too badly, because it's more likely to leak on their end. (Don't neglect it completely, though, because this is doubtless your bank password. The worst password restrictions I've seen were for banks and other financial institutions. 6-8 alphanumeric characters beginning with a letter, and they expect me to trust them?)

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    25. Re:password manager by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Crackers already know about substituting 0 for o and @ for a and the common trailing exclamation point. I don't think that's secure at all, since what you've got is trivial modifications on a four-word phrase in common use. Come up with some of your own substitutions and memorize them. For example, if you switch "a" and "i" and "e" with "o", you've got a variation that isn't likely in the cracker's software (RewRewYeurBeit).

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    26. Re: password manager by alexander_686 · · Score: 1

      What system forces you to change your password by at least 5 characters?

      If the system stores in password as a hash, like all good systems do, how would they know that you changed your password by at least 5 characters?

    27. Re:password manager by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      If they are using iPads with the latest version of iOS 8, they can just save the passwords using the keychain in safari with autofill (only works if a site is HTTPS, however)

      So long as it can be backed up, that is fine. But you need to have a backup for safety in case something happens to that particular iPad or Chromebook, which will in part depend on the web browser being used - whether it uses its own set or the system's, and if it is its own if that gets included in the backups.

      But yes, I would highly recommend using a password manager and teaching the kid how to use it properly, possibly even having them setup a master password for it, that only you (and those you authorize) have access to that the kid knows and is instructed not to provide to anyone without your permission, even their teacher.

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    28. Re:password manager by shia84 · · Score: 1

      I made a javascript that does it locally (no sending my passwords cleartext over the internet).

      It's usually not your choice whether or not to send the password in clear text over the internet, but I strongly recommend simply not using services that don't offer encryption.
      But that has nothing to do with my previous comment... again: I don't want my password to be visible on screen (neither the "salt" one, nor the resulting hashed password). And if it gets saved anywhere on disk in clear text (like it does with your bash one-liner), even worse! You shouldn't present such a bad example as a viable method only to mention in a follow-up comment that you have something actually usable.
      I assume your JavaScript (which presumably is geared to web logins?) shows a "password" dialog (the input characters starred) and then enters the result into the password entry field on your current web page? Is it Greasemonkey script or a plugin?

      If SSH to my home computer is compromised a password to Slashdot is the least I have to worry about. SSH is also protected with Google Authenticator so I have to have my phone with me to log in with 2-factor.

      Good, but I'm not sure why you bring that up. The topic is how to teach people to remember passwords to arbitrary (website among others) logins efficiently.

      LastPass, SeaHorse and all the other vaults are good options with only few drawbacks (for example that you have to have the software with you). A solid mental scheme as I presented further above is another option.

    29. Re:password manager by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      anybody who takes more than 5 seconds to look at your password, or even a malicious system maintainer who grabs passwords at login, will be in a position where your passwords are just 3-4 token variations... once a human mind sets you as a target, your online world is SOL.

      This objection only applies to the really simplistic example I give, and only if they see 2 or more passwords. "His passwords are boxcar73 and boxcar98? Duh..." In reality, you can do something only slightly more mentally complex than tacking the service name onto the end that yields an essentially random string. Think ROT13, but not using a constant 13. :-) Since my employer requires me to rotate passwords every 90 days, I feel safe writing "dellbattery" on a post-it on my monitor knowing that nobody is going to get "xy4platypus2&Zp" from that, no matter how many of my passwords they look at.

      The 2 benefits to using the service name are that you don't have to write anything down for those services, and your spouse can login to your account without needing to read the keyword list. But you still need some written list because sometimes you can't use the service name though: rotating passwords, changing passwords, or when the algorithm produces a password that the site doesn't accept (too long, too many special characters). One of the items in my list is exceptions like "standard hash but no special characters" which I hate doing.

      I do like your scheme though too. I think the real take away is that everyone can come-up with a scheme like this that is easy for them to remember, and now they can have secure passwords without having to write anything down. Don't write-down the password. Write down a reminder of the password that requires special knowledge in order to use. It is far far more secure than what most people are recommending.

    30. Re:password manager by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      A checksum that you can do in your head would be better than something you must use an external tool on. You don't want to expose "hunter2" in your example by typing it in there.

    31. Re:password manager by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      It's usually not your choice whether or not to send the password in clear text over the internet, but I strongly recommend simply not using services that don't offer encryption.

      Um. Yeah. It kind of is. If I made a *local* html script and run it on my local machine. I'm fairly certain it's not sending passwords out cleartext over the internet. You can make it so that it just copies a result to the clipboard, etc.

      I'm not sure why it's such a terrible example. If you're in a situation where you're scared about screen readers there's really no safe way to enter your password anyway because you might as well assume the NSA is logging everything on that machine.

      Its a standalone everything. There is no grease money. I don't try to inject my password into pages.

      If I ever need to generate my password I can open a .html file on my desktop and generate one.

      I could write a SHA1 method for my TI-89 and use that to generate passwords. I could have a different salt depending on what type of website it was (Social, health, banking).

    32. Re:password manager by unrtst · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I strongly dislike the idea of sitting in a public place and typing my "salt password" visibly into a prompt (especially if it litters the bash history), and then also getting the resulting login password in clear text.

      No sure if the parent does the following, but your extra requirements are easy to get around.

      * not in bash history? just put a space before the command (if you didn't know that already, you're welcome... it's so much easier than "rm .bash_history && ln -s /dev/null .bash_history" :-)

      * result in the clear? Just use your clipboard: echo -n hunter2slashdot.org | md5sum | sha1sum | cut -c1-16 | xclip ... then just [SHIFT]+[INSERT] to paste it into the password field. You can also change the xclip selection by adding "-selection c" and then you can use [CTRL]+v to paste it.

      * don't want to see yourself type it? enter "stty -echo" first, and be very careful typing the whole command. ... or make a small script to do it for you:
      #!/bin/bash
      LENGTH=$1
      if [ "x$LENGTH" = "x" ]; then LENGTH=16; fi
      echo -n "basepw: "
      stty -echo
      read PW
      stty echo
      echo
      echo -n "site: "
      read SITE
      echo "$PW:$SITE" | md5sum | sha1sum | cut -c1-$LENGTH | xclip

    33. Re:password manager by shia84 · · Score: 1

      I'm aware that you can write a password vault in bash script :)
      But the ggp doesn't show this and instead proposes a highly questionable example as a "quick and simple" solution, which - my point - it's not.

      Besides, I don't like the "space before command" because it doesn't default to omitting history entries on zsh (you can set it up of course). And due to being a tiny visual clue... it's almost as inelegant as shooting down the session. The best way to solve this problem is to not even pose the question: don't set up your workflow in a way where you have to work around entering sensitive information on screen while often sitting in different places.

    34. Re:password manager by shia84 · · Score: 1

      You're either not understanding what I'm saying or need to try applying the Charity Principle more.

      Um. Yeah. It kind of is. If I made a *local* html script and run it on my local machine. I'm fairly certain it's not sending passwords out cleartext over the internet. You can make it so that it just copies a result to the clipboard, etc.

      Your local HTML script (a HTML file with JavaScript?) generally can't decide whether to send information to an arbitrary server encrypted or not. For example with a login web page, either the server offers TLS/SSL (the URL starts with https) to your browser, in which case you send your login credentials encrypted, or it doesn't, in which case you can't choose to send them encrypted. What you do locally is of no consequence.

      As for the NSA argument, well that's several steps up from people looking at your screen in a crowded room or train. And it necessiates getting rid of the display as soon as possible. And again, throwing clear text passwords onto your drive (like you did in your bash example) is a very bad idea, I hope everyone can agree with that?
      That's why it's a terrible example.

      Its a standalone everything. There is no grease money. I don't try to inject my password into pages.

      Hehe, not "grease money", you give off the impression as if you don't care about reading carefully what your discussion partners have to say ;)
      For example, I'm assuming your script can help you remember a password to log into, say, your airline customer account you created two years ago in order to change some bookings. If it could inject it automatically into the field (say through the context menu as a Firefox or Chromium extension) from the clipboard, that'd be a nice bonus, no?

    35. Re:password manager by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Your local HTML script (a HTML file with JavaScript?) generally can't decide whether to send information to an arbitrary server encrypted or not.

      Yes it can. Because the local HTML script doesn't send anything. I think you're completely missing the point. My local HTML doesn't interact with the outside world. I don't use it to populate any forms. I use it to determine my password.

      I'm assuming your script can help you remember a password to log into, say, your airline customer account you created two years ago in order to change some bookings.

      MY SCRIPT REMEMBERS NOTHING. Do you people need a drawing to understand this?

      My password is formulated out of a salt (my 'password') and the website I'm booking at.

      Say I go back to delta.com to book tickets. I have no clue what my login or password is. But I have a guess: The e-mail is going to be "delta.com@example.com" (I have my own domain) and the password is going to be an 8 character substring from: sha1(md5(hunter2delta.com))

      I have a Javascript implementation because it is the easiest. I have a little bookmarklet with the code in it. I have a bash implementation. I've written implementations in other stuff but use the Javascript the most because I use the password maker on the web the most.

      Hehe, not "grease money"

      I know it's not 'grease monkey'. I haven't used GreaseMonkey since I switched to Chrome years ago. It's not that funny. You see people write MAC or mbps. I haven't used GreaseMonkey in long enough to remember the proper camelcase.

    36. Re:password manager by shia84 · · Score: 1

      I understand your position, but I think it has flaws in general applicability.

      From a more structured approach: we ask where to draw the randomness (=strength) for your password from. If your generator (boxcar+ID -> f-a2#s:d__x1y) is extremely strong, "boxcar" simply salts the projection and you can keep the ID part very short.
      Is having such a complex mental generator preferable to rote memorisation of pseudorandom strings? I guess it might as well be, as the ID part can be as few as 2 characters.

      But that's conditional on the strength of the generator, so when recommending a password scheme to your kids and grandmother, how confident are you that they'll not mess up? Case in point: ID=sitename as proposed in the thread branch below, so you get simply boxcarfacebook.com as login password.
      I fear with many users "boxcar" would be false security when applied to all their passwords.

      This used to be my main password scheme, but I've gradually shifted it out for the other one over the years.
      Instead of relying on generating pseudoentropy through a memorised algorithm, it's preferrable to have a randomised and unconnected (but easily memorisable) seed in the first place!
      In general, drawing additonal entropy from a highly biased source (fixed string like "boxcar") makes me uneasy (as it should everyone with a CS background).

    37. Re:password manager by shia84 · · Score: 1

      Just to add for clarity: of course salting is very important and highly useful, but it's only applicable when your generator has the strength of SHA-2. If you're "only" capable of doing MD5 in your head then salting has demonstrable weaknesses.

    38. Re: password manager by gripfin · · Score: 1

      >> If the new password must vary by at least five characters, they must be keeping a copy of the password Wrong. If the password updating page asks for your old and your new passords, the difference can be policed in Javascript before you even hit the submit button.

    39. Re:password manager by Wootery · · Score: 1

      Yes. Any further questions?

    40. Re:password manager by Wootery · · Score: 1

      Google turned up this incident.

      I still don't really get what happened. Their system is supposed to be architected such that stealing all the data on their servers shouldn't get you much - everything is encrypted.

    41. Re:password manager by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      sha265(md5("hunter2" + "slashdot.org"))

      I don't think it is necessary to double encrypt your password or increase security; especially the way you do (using SHA256 and MD5). A good explanation about why double/triple/etc encryption may not be necessary can be found at http://security.stackexchange.... (look at the answer to the question).

  3. LastPass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LastPass should help. There isn't really an easy solution though.

    1. Re:LastPass by rgbe · · Score: 1

      I second that. I have LastPass on my mobile, on various WebBrowsers at home and work. Although the free version could be suficient for your child. I paid for the premium version which gives me the mobile option, and it's cheap, at only around $12/year (last time I looked). So for all websites I have different passwords which all have high entropy (think 16 characters, uppercase, lower case, numbers and special characters).

      I only need to remember a few passwords which I don't store in LassPass, e.g. bank, email, etc.

    2. Re:LastPass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      came here to say "lastpass, fool"

      As far as I know, you could even set it up so you owned the passwords and just share them with your kid's account.

    3. Re:Lastpass by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      You don't deal with school systems much, I see. In most places this isn't a simple request. And have you ever used Lastpass on an original iOS device (original iPads cannot update past iOS 5.1.1)? Convenient isn't the word I would use.

      Besides, what happens if the 7 year old forgets his or her master password? If he has it in his notebook, the teacher can help him. If not, she will spend the next hour setting up and approving all of his logins on all of the sites they use. And 7 year olds forget things like passwords. A lot.

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  4. 123456 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suggest you make it easier for the kids to remember their passwords. Change them all to 123456.

    1. Re:123456 by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Why not go all the way and change it to 00000000? Was good enough for the US nukes....

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    2. Re: 123456 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they don't have the required security clearance, duh!

  5. LastPass, 1Password, KeePass.... next question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone have a good suggestion for a multi-user secure login repository? I'm in an IT department where we have lots of appliance/embedded systems that don't support multiple users and we need to share them among each other. Right now our solution is too embarrassing to say. Please help :'(

    1. Re:LastPass, 1Password, KeePass.... next question by SpzToid · · Score: 1

      passpack.com accounts can share passwords between user-accounts. This solves the 'what if Bob gets hit by a bus' problem, (because only Bob knew the passwords to the servers). It seems other services should be able to provide this also.

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    2. Re:LastPass, 1Password, KeePass.... next question by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      Set up a proxy system to access them. Use your dedicated password to access the proxy, then the device password can be in the open because it's behind a proxy.

      Not idiot-proof, and if you can cross-access the devices it leaves holes in the solution unless you can segment the network they reside on.

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    3. Re: LastPass, 1Password, KeePass.... next question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thycotic Secret Server

    4. Re:LastPass, 1Password, KeePass.... next question by Slim+Backwater · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't Lastpass Enterprise's Shared Folders suffice for that?

  6. LastPass by darkestsoul · · Score: 1

    This scenario sounds like something a password manager can easily solve, especially something like LastPass Enterprise which has a Preloaded Password Vault and Policy configuration. While you can debate the security of having all your eggs in one basket (master password), the convenience from an administration perspective should outweigh whatever "sensitive" data is at stake to be compromised (homework, research resources), at least at the primary/secondary school level. Of course, if the roll-out has already begun then I would recommend your son install whatever password manager he prefers and choose a "secure" master password and lock his laptop/iPad when he isn't looking at it.

  7. LastPass, 1Password, KeePass, PassPack + YubiKey! by SpzToid · · Score: 1

    Yes! Use a password manager. But then also add 'a third password' to it, in the form of a finger print scan via a USB Yubi-Key for two-factor identification. Similarly you can also 'authorize' your specific mobile devices, (which can't accept a YubiKey). It's a hassle, but it is also an investment in security; which is how these things always work.

    http://help.passpack.com/knowl...

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  8. Keep It Simple by Okind · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For children age 6 and up, and also for adults, the most important thing is to Keep It Simple.

    Writing down passwords is actually a good thing for adults, as long as the passwords are written down in a secure place. A note in your wallet qualifies, as you know how to keep your wallet secure (right?). This is even more secure than a password safe on your smartphone: inputting a strong password is a pain (and easily observed), and witht it your sm artphone becomes a prime target for theft (if it isn't already).

    For children of 6 years old and older (I'm assuming a US centric view here, triggered by the word 'elementary'), the situation is not that much different. The only problem is that children at this age usually do not have a wallet.

    This is then the only problem to solve: creating a secure place to write down passwords.

    1. Re:Keep It Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For children age 6 and up, and also for adults, the most important thing is to Keep It Simple.

      Writing down passwords is actually a good thing for adults, as long as the passwords are written down in a secure place. A note in your wallet qualifies, as you know how to keep your wallet secure (right?). This is even more secure than a password safe on your smartphone: inputting a strong password is a pain (and easily observed), and witht it your sm artphone becomes a prime target for theft (if it isn't already).

      For children of 6 years old and older (I'm assuming a US centric view here, triggered by the word 'elementary'), the situation is not that much different. The only problem is that children at this age usually do not have a wallet.

      This is then the only problem to solve: creating a secure place to write down passwords.

      The problem with your solution is the concept that a 6-year old knows what a "secure place" is. Or the concept of good security. At that age, they're still wishing for presents from Santa Claus and avoiding girls because they have "cooties". Secrets and rumors are the only thing talked about on the playground, and you expect them to keep their mouths shut.

      That's speaking from a parents point of view, not just a US centric one. And the reason for your ignorance here is most likely due to a complete lack of experience in the matter.

      Hell, now that I think about it, we can't even get adult users to put passwords in a secure location. We still find them written down underneath keyboards and in desk drawers, or on sticky notes stuck to the monitor.

    2. Re:Keep It Simple by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      A note in your wallet qualifies, as you know how to keep your wallet secure (right?)

      I've been doing this for years for all sorts of passwords. But I take it one step further just write it on things already in your wallet. I write my pin on my bank card and the bank card is in my wallet and I keep my wallet in my back pocket so it's always with me. Now no one can get at my money or password.

    3. Re:Keep It Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hope you never run into a pick pocket or loose your wallet.

    4. Re:Keep It Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Writing your pin on your bank card is like writing the code to the safe on the safe.

      Thats just super lazy. Now if you lose your wallet, you know where to look, the closest ATM!

    5. Re:Keep It Simple by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

      From what I've read, writing your passwords down *in a slightly changed form* and then keeping the list relatively secure like in your wallet, is actually best practice. It's impossible for an online attacker to get to, and even if someone does steal your written list, it is unusable to him assuming your alterations are decent.

    6. Re:Keep It Simple by gnu-sucks · · Score: 1

      Ok, but how important is it to keep passwords secure to a textbook website or an iPad? Maybe if someone steels Johnny's textbook password then the teacher can just go in a reset it?

      Let's keep things in perspective here, these are not banking passwords or social security numbers. These passwords are only used to identify individuals for the purpose of individualizing the presentation of information. Nothing of value, especially to an identity thief (and especially to a fellow 6-year-old student) can be lost.

  9. Why not write them down? by RDW · · Score: 3, Informative

    However when asked about the kids remembering all the user names and passwords the school said they are going to have the kids write them down in a notebook. This seemed like a very bad practice for a classroom and to/from home situation.

    Bruce Schneier says:

    "Microsoft's Jesper Johansson urged people to write down their passwords.

    This is good advice, and I've been saying it for years.

    Simply, people can no longer remember passwords good enough to reliably defend against dictionary attacks, and are much more secure if they choose a password too complicated to remember and then write it down. We're all good at securing small pieces of paper. I recommend that people write their passwords down on a small piece of paper, and keep it with their other valuable small pieces of paper: in their wallet."

    https://www.schneier.com/blog/...

    1. Re:Why not write them down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. I've always recommended to write them down and not keep the written passwords in plain view. That's really the best way to do it. The whole "don't write them down, it insecure"-thing is bullshit. Keep the paper out of plain sight and it's secure enough. It's more secure than using stupid passwords, and it won't get lost when your hdd crashes. In case of fire the laptop could be burned too, or robbery, as long as it's not in the same laptop case, or the same crappy portable "safe", the robber won't notice it.

      But for these kids, if they carry the passwords around in their backpacks and naturally leave them in the room when they go out, that's not a good thing. Some kid goes to bathroom and some dick steals the passwords and does something with them. How is a kid going to defend himself?

      Maybe the passwords should be given to the adults, so they can be called, if the password is forgotten. Or the school needs to setup somekind of passwrod service where with a master password from parent, the password can be retrieved, though how secure is that going to be, there's hundreds of ways to fuck that up also.

    2. Re:Why not write them down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if students dump the paper on their desk it is safe. Typical students' desks are such a mess that nobody will be able to find it.

      I would recommend against bringing the piece of paper anywhere. Wallets and backpacks are eventually lost, forgotten or stolen.

    3. Re:Why not write them down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been writing down passwords (of various sorts) for years now. Unfortunately, between bank website passwords and credit/debit card PINs, I have too many important passwords that could ruin my life. In the past, someone who stole my wallet would have gotten some cash and a short period of time to try to use my credit cards. If I kept the passwords for my bank/retirement fund/etc.'s web site in my wallet they could put my in the poor house. I haven't figured out what to do about this yet.

    4. Re:Why not write them down? by bsdasym · · Score: 1

      Would +1 this if I hadn't burned them all yesterday.

      The admonishment about not writing down passwords is really about not putting them on your monitor/screen with a post-it note, or leaving them somewhere they can easily be read/seen/stolen. Keeping them on a scrap of paper in your wallet/purse is fine.

      The parent should keep a copy at home as well, for the inevitable instance when jr's paper gets lost or goes through the wash.

    5. Re:Why not write them down? by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Simply, people can no longer remember passwords good enough to reliably defend against dictionary attacks, and are much more secure if they choose a password too complicated to remember and then write it down.

      Bull spit. The problem is that people are using dictionary words in their passwords to begin with, and there are surely viable alternatives which are absolutely able to provide memorable strong passwords without dictionary words (company names, acronyms, usernames, etc..).

      As with many other perceived problems, a lack of education and complacency are the real culprits here. Instead of blaming users for bad passwords, put the blame on executives that refuse to educate people, and further refuse to enforce policies that prevent bad practices.

      I have written and enforced numerous policies and trained people on exactly this issue. I have discussed this issue on this site numerous times, at least once within the last few months. You can search the archives. If you don't want free information, PM me and we can make arrangements so that you can pay me to come train your staff including your Security teams. I'll even customize my slide show and put your company name in the slides :O.

      If people actually maintain the training and enforce the policies, issues with brute force attacks are massively reduced. Nothing is fool proof since real brute force attacks still occur, but 99% of the attacks are script kiddie dictionary scans.

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  10. Dashlane by Noryungi · · Score: 1

    Excellent password manager. Syncs an AES-encrypted file to all your devices. It also has plug-ins for most web browsers (Firefox, Chrome, Safari) that allow you to login automatically on a web site. I personnally don't use the plugins, but it's really good on both Android and Mac OS X.

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  11. RFID chips by LookIntoTheFuture · · Score: 3, Funny

    How To Keep Student's Passwords Secure?

    How about we do away with passwords and have the kids get mandatory, government issued, RFID chips imbedded under their skin. Problem solved!

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    1. Re:RFID chips by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      That wouldn't work. It would interfere with th***CARRIER LOST***

    2. Re:RFID chips by flajann3290 · · Score: 1
      You've got to be kidding, right? I hope this is sarcasm.

      Besides, it's already been demonstrated how easy it is to spoof RFID chips. You could probably do it with no more than just your cell phone and some software, since your phone's fractal antenna can receive across a broad spectrum of frequencies.

    3. Re:RFID chips by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Besides, it's already been demonstrated how easy it is to spoof RFID chips.

      Go spoof my Visa card then; I bet you can't.

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    4. Re:RFID chips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How To Keep Student's Passwords Secure?

      How about we do away with passwords and have the kids get mandatory, government issued, RFID chips imbedded under their skin. Problem solved!

      Waiting for some fundie to mention sign of the beast...

    5. Re:RFID chips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.nfc.cc/2012/04/02/android-app-reads-paypass-and-paywave-creditcards/

    6. Re:RFID chips by gripfin · · Score: 1

      Visa is a smartcard, not a plan old RFID

  12. Writing them down is fine by gweihir · · Score: 2

    Just make sure they understand to keep the notebook safe. Ideally, they would write them down in a diary or the like, that contains other private information, bit at least here only girls usually have these.

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    1. Re:Writing them down is fine by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I think the part about keeping passwords secret for the 6-12 year old range is really just to teach them good habits. The world isn't going to end if someone breaks into the site where they get their daily reading or math assignment. The teacher can probably just reset the account if something was messed up, and give them a new password. After that agent may become more of a problem, but by them it would probably be a good idea for the kids to have a device like an iPod touch where they can have a password manager. They could also use two factor authentication if the kids had a device, but I think that would be expecting s lot from some of these educational sites.

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  13. Re:LastPass, 1Password, KeePass, PassPack + YubiKe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes! Use a password manager. But then also add 'a third password' to it, in the form of a finger print scan via a USB Yubi-Key for two-factor identification. Similarly you can also 'authorize' your specific mobile devices, (which can't accept a YubiKey). It's a hassle, but it is also an investment in security; which is how these things always work.

    http://help.passpack.com/knowl...

    Erm... I'm looking at their site, but as far as I can see the "yubikey" product doesn't scan fingerprints. It's an authentication token, similar to an RSA SecurId card, only a little more automatic because it interfaces directly via USB to type the current password itself when you need it. It's also not what I'd describe as "minimal cost" for a school.

  14. Have them write a poem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have them write a poem as homework, where every second line or something can be used as a pass phrase and the line above contains a word that helps them remember which resource the pass phrase is for.

    As long as they don't pick "The list of all my password" as a title for the poem, that should be more than secure enough for school stuff.

  15. Student Agendas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i am a classroom teacher and work on the technology staff for a school district. We work hard to keep it so the students only have one or two passwords and that theyn apply to all of the systems we use by using directory integration for all services.

    We just have the student keep their password in their student agenda, the personal planner where they keep their assignments. It's the most personal and consistent tool they have.

    A password manager is simply not practical for most second graders. Keep it simple and keep it together with what they need to use it for.

  16. well... by kefalonia · · Score: 1
    If all the services they use are *online*, then using lastpass as password manager is a very sensible choice:
    • * no cost
    • * good security
    • * good integration within online activity (browsers etc)
    • * the only one to come within 24hrs of heartbleed giving a tool checking sites' vulnerability

    You still need to remember one password though; what I would with children is the following: ask them to say a poem/song they remember; pick a line of the lyrics that they are likely to recall clearly; tweak slightly the letters with *them* driving the process (e->3, o->0 etc); add a little salt in the beginning (one or two characters); use that for the password manager. Proposed solution is not of exotic entropy, yet will do the job with flying colours, for most children.

    In fact, they would be in good enough shape to start teaching the adults around how to do the job :-P

    1. Re:well... by kefalonia · · Score: 1

      calrification: they rather should pick the 1st letter from each word of the poem/song they already remember; example:
      "I'm gonna swing from the chandelier" -> "I'mgsftc" #pick 1st word letter -> "2I'mgsftc" # added 2 as salt -> "2I'mg5ftc" # replaced s for 5
      password is now possible to memorize by a child and seriously secure

      btw. one more point of attention: this exercise should rather be done together with parents, for both pedagogical and technical reasons:
      * the child has a fall-back when it forgets the password
      * parents will ensure that the *habbit* of doing it right gets passed on; in fact, that's the only one true think the child should memorise

    2. Re:well... by Stewie241 · · Score: 1

      Do you mean that the habit of doing it right gets passed on from the parents to the children? Or from the children to the parents?

  17. passwd! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    KeepassX with twofish.

  18. Ignore stupid suggestions by mbone · · Score: 1

    Tell them to put them in a notebook. Accept that they will get shared. If that bothers the school admins, too bad.

    I have a feeling that this school is wasting a bunch of money on stuff "third party" salesmen have sold them, but that is another issue.

    1. Re:Ignore stupid suggestions by mbone · · Score: 2

      Oh, and probably most important - parents should make sure they have a copy of the ID's passwords needed to access "third party" resources, to avoid the inevitable loss of notebooks.

    2. Re:Ignore stupid suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids use weak and obvious passwords, my ex worked at UF and my kids when visiting her would sit in on classes to kill time. My son soon figured out how to login to the network and had guessed at passwords and had access.

    3. Re:Ignore stupid suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids use weak and obvious passwords, my ex worked at UF and my kids when visiting her would sit in on classes to kill time. My son soon figured out how to login to the network and had guessed at passwords and had access.

      Are You Gone Gator Too?!?

  19. The IT side, not the students by Engeekneer · · Score: 2

    I think the question is completely wrong, it's not how they should remember their passwords. It's why do they have several usernames and passwords in the first place?

    First the resources that are school controlled should of course be behind one username/password pair, preferably SSO for the web parts (e.g. a CAS variant is quite simple).

    For external resources, is there a real reason they really need to log in? E.g. can IP based access control or something work for some cases. I understand you don't control everything, but as users(/customers) one can at least complain, and try to push it in the right direction. If there is a reson to log in, do they support something like Shibboleth/SAML or OpenID for login federation? If so, that should be used. It's not trivial, but making the lives of the students hard for something stupid like that is even worse

    I think that for an elementary school student, if the amount of username/password pairs they need is over 1, there's something wrong somewhere.

    1. Re:The IT side, not the students by nmr_andrew · · Score: 1

      I've actually been wondering something as I read through all the comments, and it's unclear from the original question. Yes, the kids have multiple passwords to multiple sites, but does each child have a unique login/password combination for each site? Around here at least, it seems that the schools and libraries have one institutional subscription with a login/password to each (paid/commercial) resource, and that gets divulged to and shared by all students/patrons using that site.

      If each child has his or her own set of login credentials, many other commenters have pointed to various "password wallet" type solutions.

      If this is instead set up as I put forth above, I suppose the students could still use one of these apps and just put the school's credentials into it. But I think a better solution in this case would be for the school to set up a private portal (VPN, website, or whatever), give each student and anyone else who needs access a single, unique login, and have links through said portal that redirect to the various external sites with the correct credentials. That way you're only asking users (especially younger children) to remember - and keep secure - a single username/password combination.

      As the parent suggests, access can be IP based, and by connecting to the portal/VPN, your device at home appears to be coming from the school. That's exactly what the university I work at does, for example if I want to access various online journals from home. They even have it set up so I can initiate the VPN session by visiting a website.

  20. Notepad Crypt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use an encrypting text editor such as notepadcrypt.

    Write all your username password combinations into a single file protected with a single pass phrase (it's up to you to use a secure, memorable, strong one). When you need to use one of the combinations open the file, copy & paste credentials into the login form etc.

    if using notepadcrpyt then it can run from a portable install so you can carry a USB key with the program and your encrypted passwords file. As log as you use a good passphrase it's reasonably safe. It's a Windows executable but I'm sure variations could be knocked up for *Nix, Mac etc. (it's bascially just a notepad app which saves text using AES encryption)

    There is no way I will use any sort of single sign in mechanism such as Open ID as I don't want my identity to be a fixed thing. The day that you are required to sign in to the internet is the day I will stop using it. I want a different user name for each resource I use.

    It also seems that organisations are incapable of have anything less than a different user name and password requirement for each resource so I'm not even going to attempt to remember them all.

    I've been using variations on this technique for years (used to use my own custom encrypting notepad app) and haven't had a problem (so far)

    Oh and don't forget to write down your master passphrase on a piece of paper and keep it somewhere safe (obscured with lots of surrounding random text)

  21. LastPass, 1Password, KeePass....all impossible by Overzeetop · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's school; all the computers are locked down and limited in access only to approved sites (whitelist). No outside software may be installed, and all USB ports are frozen. No personal electronics are allowed to be brought in by kids.

    Remind me again how LastPass, 1Password, and KeePass work in these environments?

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    1. Re:LastPass, 1Password, KeePass....all impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's school; all the computers are locked down and limited in access only to approved sites (whitelist). No outside software may be installed, and all USB ports are frozen. No personal electronics are allowed to be brought in by kids.

      Remind me again how LastPass, 1Password, and KeePass work in these environments?

      Uhh... no. At least, not everywhere is that backwards.

      Many school boards have gone BYOD for students, have full WiFi in each school (elementary, middle, and high). My local Board gives 250MB cloud storage to all students. KeePass works great.

    2. Re:LastPass, 1Password, KeePass....all impossible by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      The real hell is going to be administration:

      The big perk of single-sign-on (aside from keeping users from spewing crap passwords) is how nicely it centralizes the credential management. Create a new account? Do it in one place. Lock an account? One place. Change a password, one place. The fact that the user sees very few login screens aside from the initial one is a nice bonus; but not really the major perk for IT.

      The assorted password managers in common use are Not aimed at 'faking' single-sign-on. They are aimed at helping a single user remember the credentials they create. If you scrounge, you can probably find an installer that can be automated and deployed; but actually provisioning the stored keys automatically? Automatically updating/reseting/etc. passwords across a zillion 3rd party services? You. Are. Screwed. Best case, roaming profiles, network home directories, or a little folder redirection will ensure that the user gets the same password store on any computer they log in to; but it will still be up to them not to make a total mess of it(and they will).

      There is no hope. Honestly, your best bet is probably kidnapping family members of your vendors and threatening to release them in bits sized to fit a matchbox until your vendor gets off their ass and gets AD/OpenDirectory integration working.

    3. Re:LastPass, 1Password, KeePass....all impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      have the kids install the (keepass, etc.) app on their phones, and retrieve the password from the app. duh.

    4. Re:LastPass, 1Password, KeePass....all impossible by TWX · · Score: 1

      Or get enough parents together to go raid a school-board meeting. Bring nice big taboid-sized examples showing how many systems with disparate user IDs and passwords the student has to contend with (using fake usernames obviously) and complain how this is too much for an adult, let along a small child. Stir up trouble and they're forced to address it with a harrumph.

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  22. Re:LastPass and a sentence-key-phrase by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

    LastPass, and make your master key be a sentence-like phrase. Thats what I use, but then I run the sentence-phrase through a generator I wrote which outputs things like:
    tsÃMÃ--Ã09kÃÃyW>Ã17gËoeÂâsÃzxéYÃwMã8w
    Of course we are on slashdot, almost none of the high-ansi characters will display.

  23. Physical notebooks are perfect for this age by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Notebooks are non-installable (no e-viruses), portable, inexpensive, and do not require access to a third party online service (school access whitelists work).

    They are as secure as they need to be - students are to use their own notebooks and note share them, and as long as a notebook is closed it is secure from prying eyes. These aren't nuclear codes, they're access to textbook sites used by grade school kids. If you're so concerned, have your child get a small, pocket sized notebook and write them down there, and remind him or her that they should keep it with them at all times and bring it home every night and back to school each morning.

    PS - The admonition not to share passwords is a good way to train kids that security information should not be shared, even though it's not really a critical safety concern at this point.

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  24. OpenID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    THis, or just write them down in a notebook. Who cares about those passwords anyways? They are kids for christsake. Just give the teacher admin password to reset and change everything. They WILL steal eachothers passwords, they will share them, they will make up "funny" passwords if they get to choose. They are kids, let them be kids. Being impulsive, naive, and, well, juvenile, is integral part of being a kid. Also, they already remember all the important passwords, such as their facebook, online games etc.

  25. Example of why tech is bad for younger kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As much as I would like to say technology is good for classrooms, It is showing its ugly head on why its bad. Teachers will have to deal with Johnny losing or forgetting his password. Or what happens when the internet goes down on a school day? What do you do? Send everyone home? What happens when your school get's broken into and all those iPads, Chromebooks and such get stolen? Some schools have already dumped tablets as being too fragile and expensive to replace. Parents complained that they end up footing the bill way too often for replacement costs. You want to stop the inequality of education in America? But yet, its the affluent school districts that can afford this technology. Then you have the sad news that districts with technology in the classrooms have not improved scores. So we now know that using a Chromebook in class is no better then reading from a book as far as student learning goes. Go figure.

  26. LastPass, 1Password, KeePass....all impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have whoever is in charge of these devices approve them.

  27. As in the movies by Thanshin · · Score: 1

    Have you seen Memento?

    1. Re:As in the movies by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Yes, but I don't want to visit a tattoo parlor every 90 days (when I have to change my work password), and my forearm is only so big.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  28. Lastpass.com by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 1

    It works. Creates secure passwords. Stores them.

    Easy.

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    1. Re:Lastpass.com by starlyt · · Score: 1

      Dead right it works. If not my Email would be full of replies to my requests for new passwords. You do need to remember one password, but most of us, at any age, can manage that!

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  29. Depending on the grade? by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    is even assigning Chromebooks or iPads to students (depending on the grade).

    That is so fucked up.

    Oh, look, he's got a chromebook - he's a loser.

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    1. Re:Depending on the grade? by mbone · · Score: 1

      The OP meant grade as in second or third, not as in B or C.

    2. Re:Depending on the grade? by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Ah, sorry, an english/american thing.

      We'd say "year" or "form".

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  30. Déjà vu? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    They emphasized how these elementary kids needed to keep their passwords safe and not share them with other kids.

    Yeah, it's still a crime, but at least the Software Protection Authority and Central Listening won't find out about it that way, right?

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  31. Write user and pass down - but keep a part secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi, I would suggest a "salt" - write down user names and passwords in all the books. However add the same "pin" to every password on the systems. The child then enters the user and password as given in the book. Adds their "pin" to the end of the password, and carries on.

    This is by no means perfect but should be sufficient.

  32. Print out a password tabula recta.(Cheat Sheet) by ToeJet · · Score: 1

    Print out a password cheetsheet. even in plain sight, if you don't know how to read it it is meaning less. See reference at Lifehacker in an article called "How to Write Down and Encrypt Your Passwords with an Old-School Tabula Recta."

  33. Lastpass by bblakeny · · Score: 1

    So long as the administrator agrees to whitelist it, and allow the browser add-on, it should work fine. It doesn't require any USB, or separate software to be installed. It doesn't save passwords anywhere locally. Everything is stored encrypted on their server, and unencrypted by the browser add-on. This is both very secure and very convenient.

    I'd think this is something most administrators in such environments would allow if asked, since it's going to make their own lives a lot easier.

  34. In the name of the dog. by hooiberg · · Score: 1

    It is better to have a good password written down somewhere, than using the name of your dog and knowing it by hard.

  35. Use Passphases instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Passwords can be hard to remember, they are usually just within the minimum length and usually are so complex that they have to be written down. I use passphases instead. I basically write a sentence as my password using caps, numbers and maybe a symbol if required. A student can use something like "Myhomeroom226isveryloud!" Easy to remember but not something another student will easily figure out - that is the purpose of the exercise?

  36. Use a twisted rhyme by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    Rhymes can stick nicely in the mind. Twist a rhyme to form a password. Jack and Jill climbed up the Pill would stick in most kid's minds. Or twist a popular phrase. Jose can you see instead of Oh say can you see might work.

    1. Re:Use a twisted rhyme by SpzToid · · Score: 1

      Fish heads, fish heads, roly poly fish heads. Fish heads, fish heads, eat them up. Yum!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      REFRAIN
      Fish heads fish heads roly poly fish heads
      Fish heads fish heads eat them up yum

      REPEAT REFAIN

      In the morning laughing happy fish heads
      In the evening floating in the soup

      REFRAIN

      Ask a fish head anything you want to
      They won't answer they can't talk

      REFRAIN

      I took a fish head out to see a movie
      Didn't have to pay to get it in

      REFRAIN

      They can't play baseball they don't wear sweaters
      They're not good dancers they don't play drums

      REFRAIN

      Roly poly fish heads are never seen drinking cappuccino
      In Italian restaurants with oriental women yeah

      REFRAIN
      REFRAIN AGAIN
      REFRAIN YET AGAIN
      REFRAIN ONCE MORE (with music "off")
      Yeah

      Written by: MUMY, BILL / HAIMER, ROBERT S.

      Lyrics © Universal Music Publishing Group

      Lyrics Licensed & Provided by LyricFind

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  37. One word by Edis+Krad · · Score: 1

    Grille
    He could have a folded one in his wallet or whatever. If he loses his notebook, it's just a random set of letters.

    1. Re:One word by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Grille
      He could have a folded one in his wallet or whatever. If he loses his notebook, it's just a random set of letters.

      Grille
      Cool idea, but pretty impractical for a password.

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  38. this is a learning experience by v1 · · Score: 1

    Don't expect them to get it perfect the first time. And depending on their age, don't start them off with what you'd consider the best final approach. You're in a school, treat it like any other learning experience.

    Just using passwords may be a new experience for some of them. Start with the basics. I wouldn't focus too much to start with on "strong passwords", they can work on that later. For now, work on selecting a password they can remember, NOT sharing their password, and changing their password as needed.

    Once they've spent some time on that and feel more comfortable with it and don't feel like the world is going to explode if they forget their password, move on to password security. Using stronger, longer passwords, using different passwords in different places, password managers, advoiding and dealing with a password lockout, password resetting, etc.

    This is just one of those "things they should have taught us in school", treat it as such. Like time/money management, basic cooking, resume writing / job huting etc.

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  39. Or switch to open source content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not always an option but why are these ebooks locked down. This is a limitation placed on the users by the vendors and it is a licensing and management issue. It has little to do with actually copying issues. A wonderful waste of money and resources and patience.

  40. What are you afraid of? by YoungManKlaus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean thats the obvious question ... if all an attacker can do is read some textbooks then I don't give crap about how secure the password is.

    1. Re:What are you afraid of? by FhnuZoag · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you are totally right here. The phrasing of this question as being about 'security' is actually totally off base. From the student's perspective, there is no advantage to security. Only the textbook publishers actually benefit from security - they don't want people who haven't paid for the textbooks to read them.

      For the student, what he or she actually cares about is being able to easily access he or her school stuff. The worst case scenario is not someone stealing his or her password, it's not being able to recall his or her password and thus being unable to participate in class. Lastpass etc is overthinking it. Just set the password to something simple and easy to remember, and write it down just in case they forget.

    2. Re:What are you afraid of? by nine-times · · Score: 1

      You took my response!

      When it comes to security, I always try to drive the idea home that security is always a balance between "creating easy access for authorized users" and "making unauthorized access difficult", and where you strike that balance should always depend on the context of how easy authorized access needs to be vs. how hard unauthorized access needs to be.

      So in this case, your child probably doesn't need very good security. There are no state secrets, no business documents to be hidden from competing companies, and no financial documents. You don't need good security to protect elementary school homework. If anything, you probably want the account to be easy to exploit by both parents and teachers, in case there's a suspicion of misbehavior. And elementary school kids need very easy access. Therefore, security should be relatively light.

      What's more, writing down your passwords is *not* a bad security practice. It just means that the account becomes as easy to access as your password list. If you keep your password list in a safe, then it might be pretty secure. If you leave your list in a public area, anyone in that area could access your account. However, in a case like that, it's not the "writing passwords down" that's insecure, it's the storage of that list that's insecure. Writing down your passwords is not inherently less secure than using a password manager. A password manager is just a list of passwords, "written down", and secured.

      If you're worried about teaching your children good security policies, then let them write down their passwords, and then teach them the importance of securing that list. Not only is that a good practice, but it also lets them feel like a spy, which is awesome.

    3. Re:What are you afraid of? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be afraid of password reuse...

    4. Re:What are you afraid of? by YoungManKlaus · · Score: 1

      not really ... simple rule: one password for stuff you dont care about, custom and secure passwords for stuff you do care about. Every kid understands that much.

    5. Re:What are you afraid of? by nmr_andrew · · Score: 1

      But think of all the potential lost revenue to the textbook publisher! /sarcasm

    6. Re:What are you afraid of? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not really ... simple rule: one password for stuff you dont care about, custom and secure passwords for stuff you do care about. Every kid understands that much.

      Yes, kids understand overly simplistic black and white thinking.

    7. Re:What are you afraid of? by starlyt · · Score: 1

      There are a few password keepers, like LastPass, and as you only need 1 password for access, it does seem to me to be possible for any one of any age to keep one word in memory. If not, the school kids will be in a sad state at exam time

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    8. Re:What are you afraid of? by starlyt · · Score: 1

      And the profit of the chosen informatics supplier! Oh yes! There is always Open Source for the OS...Linux for example :D

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  41. Laminated card by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 1

    Most kids are required to have school IDs now. Write the information on a card of the same size as the ID, laminate it, and attach it to the lanyard that holds the ID.

  42. change approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a high school teacher almost every time I have kids get onto a website or log onto a computer I have somebody who forgot their password. Their passwords are defaulted to their student ID, and some kids change them, and then usually forget them. Instead of worrying about kids having great password security (which I end up having to reset and they lose an hour of instruction while I wait for an admin to do it) just tell them to not put anything important on these drives. In my experience it works out much better for the kid if I can easily get into his account by using a default student ID, to maybe grab a file for him when they're absent, than it is to have a secure password.

    At the high school level we occasionally have shady things happen where students steal each other's accounts to do things like vote for homecoming queen or whatever, but nothing of value is lost.

    I'd rather see kids have redundant copies of files on the web, on a flash drive, and then their workstation than have them worry about having great password habits.

  43. SSO for the school district by Ora*DBA · · Score: 1

    The school imposes this burden; the school should shoulder the work of the solution. Set up a federated authentication IDP (using ForgeRock or some other OSS); store the passwords for each child in there, a central site maintained by the school district. Then the children need only one username/password for their time in the school district. Incidentally it will encourage the school district to streamline the process :-).

  44. SmartCards by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    Issue the students smart cards or integrate them with their student ID. The costs have smartcards have come down so much now that my local laundromat uses them in place of coins. If a student loses their ID, an administrator simply deactivates the card.

    1. Re:SmartCards by Proteus · · Score: 1

      The cards aren't the core cost, it's the infrastructure and hardware to support them. How does the smartcard work with tablets? How does it work with Chromebooks? And so on.

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  45. Here's a simple trick I taught my kids by idji · · Score: 1

    "The dog chased 3 chickens around the house."=Tdc3cath. "I use Google to write emails to Grandma."=IuGtwetG.

    1. Re:Here's a simple trick I taught my kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even more secure than that would be to set the password to "The dog chased 3 chickens around the house." Lots more entropy. Maybe not for kids as their typing skills aren't that advanced yet and they'd likely typo the account locked.

      The concept of using gobbledygook as a password and formulating mnemonics to memorize it is silly. The human brain can remember entire words just as easily as it does individual letters and numbers and full phrases almost as easily. The English language has some 450,000 official words and probably about as many unofficial words. That is a massive pool from which to draw.

      Obligatory xkcd: http://xkcd.com/936/

    2. Re:Here's a simple trick I taught my kids by shia84 · · Score: 1

      In a world where dictionary attacks weren't as common as they are, you'd be right.
      That one particular xkcd always bothered me. Algorithmically, "correcthorsebatterystaple" is as secure as any other 4-token password like "hanx".
      Note that "hand" would be a 1-token password and only marginally more secure than only "h" (due to a larger dictionary size, but since its order 1, we're talking about a constant factor).

      So typing out the sentence only makes a difference in security if it can't be effectively tokenised to a canonical version, or if the feasible brute force attack lies above the only-first-letter version but below the typed-out version due to dictionary size difference (tokenisation cost). This is not the case with current (and near future) machines for the grandparent's examples.
      It does however always make a difference having to type several dozen characters...

  46. Whatever happens... by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 1

    If the school is going to have access to this notebook, assume from day 1 they are going to use it to log onto your child's account and monitor it, thus you should encourage your child to only use it for school activity and not for any personal activity. Schools have done worse.

    1. Re:Whatever happens... by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 2

      For that matter, assume the school always has full remote access to the hardware they issue to the students. Same reasoning. Don't log into personal accounts from those devices or do anything personal on them. Remember the case of the school that issued laptops to students only to spy on them with the webcams... hopefully nothing like that will happen to you, but at the same time it's prudent to keep anything the school has access to cleanly separated from your child's personal life.

    2. Re:Whatever happens... by KitFox · · Score: 1

      I'm the technology manager at a school but beholden to a larger "Management" company for a lot of my processes. In our case, we can't afford to issue laptops or tablets or Chromebooks to students, however it is absolutely true that we have access to everything everybody does on school computers. This includes students and to some portion, teachers. We tell everybody straight out with big, bold text that we have access, but people do stuff anyway.

      Tuesday, a new employee got onto his computer for the first time and within five minutes I had an alert that he'd downloaded a "flash-installer.exe" infection when he'd managed to find a porn site that wasn't blocked by our filter. He was fired within five minutes, because a trace showed that it was obvious intent, not accident.

      On the student side of things, we are required by law to report things, and it is not often thankfully, but we have been alerted by monitoring software that a student was being solicited by an adult for illegal activities. The student logged into their personal GMail account from school and typed in a reply. All captured and monitored and observed. More common is catching online bullying.

      In general, it does show just how much access we have and why we have such extremely strong language in our alerts to say "Yes, we can see EVERYTHING." Also one of the reasons we are reluctant to issue take-home equipment to students because of blasted cameras and no desire to even tempt anybody.

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  47. Notebook + Teacher = success by blueshift_1 · · Score: 1

    I'd say keeping the list in the last page of a notebook or binder should be sufficient... and I feel like it's pretty reasonable for the teacher to have a copy of the students passwords in case they lose/forget the notebook.

  48. Password notebooks are plenty secure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is more likely to happen to you? Getting a malware infection on any one of your dozens of electronic devices, or someone breaking into your house and stealing a notebook?

  49. tattoos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's not the actual tattoo that helps them remember, but the trauma of getting the tattoo that fixes the password in their minds.

  50. Master password by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    Master password system of some kind is about the only reasonable solution. KeyPass etc.

  51. Push for more publically available resources by gQuigs · · Score: 2
  52. Welcome to Security Chess... by moorley · · Score: 1

    What assets are you protecting? What is the risk?

    1 ) If the account is compromised can you get access to it again via alternate means?

          Be the parent. Have all of the accounts go to an email box you control, or have all of the accounts go to an email box that you know you can get access to beyond the password. In case of breach make sure you have a path to regain access and control.

    2) What are the accounts for? Minimize the risk.
    Don't allow the kids accounts to be an attack vector for *YOU*. Consider them like an untrusted source. Don't open unknown attachments. Bad scenario: Opening an attachment entitled "My homework" with an attached malware. Then go check on your bank account... Don't be that guy/gal!

    3) What do you want their learning experience or take away to be?
    Chances are if they get compromised it won't be a focused attack, it will be someone they know. Decide what you want the worst case scenario to be and minimize the risk... Whether that is removing photo's or setting up rules on do's and don'ts. Don't post your journal on a school resource. Childhood is the chance to ramp up to adulthood.

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  53. Why not ask the kids who use them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a high school kid who uses online textbooks like this, I find that the system itself is riddled with problematic and broken DRM. (See LearningField Australia) Keep with the books. I find that it's much harder to learn when you don't know whether A: LearningField has broke on page turn, or B: LearningField is lagging and it's going to take 30 seconds+ to turn the page. If you're gonna give this to elementary kids, at least make the textbook accessible.

    If the systems are proper, they should allow for the child to download the PDF raws without ANY DRM to allow easy access to their books. Hope some of what these other guys are suggesting will help in the case that there's no way to stay with physical textbooks.

  54. You want crappy school security stories? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Our school district has an information system parents can log into for registration, to check grades, etc. My wife and I each have our own logins.

    Our HS student went up to register in person this year and although we'd already filled out the necessary paper work, the registrar demanded she do it again. She said, "I can't. I can't login as my parents." No, problem the school replied: here's your Mom's id and password!

    Fortunately my wife had recently changed her password so it didn't work. No worries though, when that didn't work they simply gave my daughter my id and password. (Which of course did work.) When I found out about this I went back and changed my pwd to something crude and socially unacceptable. Can't wait till next year!

    The software our district is using is installed in hundreds of similar school districts across the country...

  55. keep the passwords locked up but easy to get to by dingleberrie · · Score: 1

    Use Dropbox (or any cloud service that sync local files) and Keepass 2 (open source) to keep them in an encrypted file that is shared among anyone. You can also do group file sharing in dropbox, though I don't do that with my passwords file.

    The keepass file is encrypted.
    I've done this for several years. It's awesome. It allows you to change your password for the same site without depending on some algorithm to lock you into only one possible password for that site.
    You can add and edit the file and it synchronizes. I can even use mini-keepass on my iphone, also with dropbox, so if I'm ever needing info without my PC, I can grab the password.

    I keep credit card info (easier to cut and paste when ordering online) and game and website login info.

  56. Write down part of it, or derivative by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > I have too many important passwords that could ruin my life. ... If I kept the passwords for my bank/retirement fund/etc.'s web site in my wallet they could put my in the poor house. I haven't figured out what to do about this yet.

    First, don't use the same password for Slashdot and Facebook that you use for your retirement account. Using the same password, or a similar password for two important accounts is fine. So let's say your PIN you use for important stuff is "5918", and the base password for important stuff is "LipCamLAG". Thats all you need to remember, a pin and a password stub. You then right down:

    scottrade: pass + pin
    schwab: pass + !?
    wells fargo: pin + pass

    A bad guy who gets the written information hasn't gained anything useful, and you only have to remember one password and one pin. Actually, two password: one for crap that doesn't matter, like Slashdot, and one more critical stuff like your bank account.

  57. Single splittable password by gurps_npc · · Score: 1
    Create a SINGLE algorythm to generate a password based on the item/program.

    Start with a core that involves a Capital letter, a lowercase letter, a number and a symbol. You want it be about 7 letters long, something like this:

    Sp1tab$

    ALL your passwords will start with that. Next decide if you are going to use the first, second, last, or second to last letter.. Let's go with "first"

    Add the "first" letter of the name of the device/software for which you are using a password. Then add the "first" letter of your username.

    Conclusion: Using this system, my password for slashot would be:

    Sp1tab$sg

    My password for my Dell Laptop, with a username of "Me" would be:

    Sp1tab$dm

    If something says 'no symbols', drop the $.

    If something says "at least 10 characters (haven't seen that yet), then add a 0.

    You now have ONE not that hard to remember word, plus a few simple rules to figure out what the password is.

    The only problem with this system is obnoxious requirements to change your password every X days, combined with prevents from reusing parts of old passwords. To solve that problem, Try continuously raising the number you inserted in the core password.

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  58. I am a teacher dealing with the problem by jgordon510 · · Score: 1

    I'm the Google site admin for my elementary school where I teach 4th grade. That makes me responsible for maintaining my class's passwords, as well as the passwords of five other classes - that's nearly 200 4th and 5th grade kids with a fairly transient population. The Google username scheme is non-negotiable because of security issues and committee decision making and consists of the first three letters (if there are three) of the first name, the first three (if there are three) letters of the last name, and the first three digits of their numerical student ID (which they do not know). The password scheme I came up with has the kids choosing two words from a table of common four-letter words. They put those words together with the last digit of their year of birth. They must use this username and password to even get into the Chromebook for most purposes (anything that involves document editing). The classroom app that Google unveiled this Fall is awesome. It's simple and perfect for what it does. I have the kids write their username and passwords down on a post-it. Secure enough. 90% of them have no problem remembering it, but some of them come with their shoes on the wrong feet, so I've been satisfied. I just set the other kids passwords manually after making them write it neatly on a post-it note and usually finding their error. The only third-party thing I use is Scratch, and I make my kids manage their own credentials (I offer a post-it). Scratch is amazing and my kids are motivated to manage it themselves. Scratch, by the way, could be the best thing to happen to math in 200 years of education if people would stop teaching math and start doing math. [Brag warning] Check these out, and tell me you wouldn't have died to build them in 4th grade: http://goo.gl/pHF6Hd We do one every week now.

  59. Re:99% of the attacks are script kiddie dictionary by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

    Dictionary attacks are not the only attack vector now days. With all of the account server break-ins lately, a very big problem is people re-using the same password and login (often an email address) on different websites. So if your account to l33twarez.com gets compromised and you used the same account info as your email or bank, then those too are compromised. This has been a big problem with online gaming for years.

  60. Re:99% of the attacks are script kiddie dictionary by s.petry · · Score: 1

    I agree, but as with above this is a problem with eduction. If you teach people to use different passwords, and provide them a method of generating different (yet similar) passwords the problems are greatly reduced.

    When was the last time you heard your security team remind people not to re-use passwords? This is of course in addition to training people on strong memorable passwords. If you can't remember, something is wrong.

    As much as security experts enjoy hacking and finding vulnerabilities, their job extends way beyond those two things. If they are not good teachers they should be hiring someone that is to assist.

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  61. DOn't forget its about by geekoid · · Score: 1

    what ou are securing as much as it's about the secrity.

    I it just access to text books? then who cares. Are we worried one to many of the kids might learn?

    Writing them down is fine for what we re trying to protect.

    That said, it's a good time to teach them how to make easy to remember hard to crack passwords.

    "Mary_Had_A_Little_Lamb_2004"
    As an example.

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  62. Hardware key by linear+a · · Score: 1

    Give them hardware keys (RSA tokens or whatever they use these days.

    1. Re:Hardware key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know all those problems associated with grownups keeping their hardware keys without losing or damaging them?
      Well, these are kids.

  63. Good ideas, but by RaccoonBandit · · Score: 1

    The number of extremely viable suggestions to solve the OP's problem made here is significant, but in my experience another limiting factor will be the teachers' IT competence. The lack of basic understanding among some school instructors for anything IT related can be rather shocking. So I do hope they train their teaching staff well enough, so that they are indeed able to reset a student's account if the password is lost/stolen. Sounds simple, but you'd be surprised.

    But seriously, why do primary school children (or 'elementary') need computers in class? I'm not saying that everything was better in the olden days (hey, I'm far too young to say anything like that), but some things of the modern day and age seem rather unnecessary. I get that not having to carry books is a good thing, but primary school books are usually pretty small and light anyway and there aren't that many of them, so it's not that much of an issue. And students forget them at home? Sure, then they'll get told off (and get penalty assignments, or whatever) and have to learn basic organisation skills.

  64. Another concern about school issued laptops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Both of my kids are also being issued chromebooks this school year. The first thing that came to mind was, "what an effective way for someone to harvest wifi passwords, or even chrome remote desktop their way into someones home network". We've seen this type of activity before with schools spying via webcam. I figure I'll setup a secondary isolated wifi network just for those machines.

  65. If not a password manager, then a password card by Proteus · · Score: 1

    Writing down passwords isn't an automatic fail—it just means you need good physical security on whatever you write them down in. A notebook is bad advice, but writing them down on a wallet card or similar wouldn't be too bad.

    Something like LastPass is probably your best bet, since it works everywhere (including Chromebook); though it isn't free if you want to use the mobile app, it is pretty inexpensive. Of course, if LastPass has an outage, you're gonna have a bad time.

    As a security professional, I often recommend Password Cards (passwordcard.org) as a free, low-tech solution that hits a good balance among cost, security, and ease of use. The site generates a printable card (which is easy to make a backup of!) that has a row of symbols and then several rows of random text elements in color-coded rows. All you need to remember for each site is a symbol+color combo; then you simply start from that grid point and type the required number of characters. You could even safely note down the symbol+color for each site, because as long as you keep the card safe in your wallet, that information isn't useful.

    It's not perfect, but it's quite good, free, and simple.

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  66. Evernote by Milosch1 · · Score: 1

    I cannot vouch for it, but my next door office neighbor is using evernote for this specifically as well as other things.

  67. Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just use the school mascot for everyone's password.

  68. Solution: Wireles login dongle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See this game-changing open-source project, the ultimate solution: a wireless login dongle and password manager compatible with existing websites: http://identivasecurity.com/
    Also published in Hack-a-Day's contest: http://hackaday.io/post/7759

    You can login aty the press of a button, and security is unprecedented since passwords are never revealed to the computer runinng the browser.

  69. It is called "outsourcing" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A school website full of remote links. And only five years ago many ***** would consider this as a copyright infringement worth of sue 'n' settlement. Like certain large corporations and music labels lice.

  70. Truecrypt (or the new fork of it) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd just show them how to use truecrypt. Create a truecrypt file, mount it, put a text file in it with all their usernames, passwords, urls etc... Another option is buy ewallet for them.

  71. Grade school kids can memorize anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At that age, they should be able to memorize many accounts and passwords.
    Tell them it's for their own good.

    One previous post had a good suggestion - reuse passwords for the textbook sites.
    I reuse passwords for throwaway sites. For example, I have accounts on a number of forum sites. They all have the same password (except slashdot), but that password in no way resembles any other password that I use in either content or the way it is constituted for other types of sites.
    My few financial sites all have unique passwords of random characters and lengths.
    That's all easy enough to memorize with a little effort.

    My seldom used passwords, like ebay and amazon, I just reset them when I want to buy something online.
    I also keep them in a truecrypt 10GB volume somewhere.

    Btw, for long passwords keep in mind that some places truncate to eight characters, so Virginiasfhk2468 and Virginiab3u4d5d4y3 are the same password.

  72. password 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm anti single sign on, and against any form of storing passwords on any internet facing device.
    If you have say password safe on a NON internet device that should be quite safe. Anything connected to the internet is vulnerable, the only way this one is if it was stolen.
    Long passwords are your best bet. They can be quite easy.
    ex "l10n&TIG3RS&b3ars0hmy!" lions and tigers and bears oh my! No spaces, second word caps, replace e's with 3s, os with 0 and some special characters.
    MOST password "guessing" is done via scripts and based of most common passwords. This is easy to remember but hard to guess.
    password alphabet only single case each character has a value of 2^26
    upper and lower case 2^52
    upper, lower and numbers 2^ 62
    throw in special characters and it jumps higher. This is per character in a password.
    Sounds like alot but a password cracking program can run several hundred passwords a second.
    There are other variables in making a password, but this is a general statement.

  73. Shibboleth by elwing · · Score: 1

    Already being used by many educational institutes - specifically higher ed: https://shibboleth.net/

  74. Carried weight of a tablet or a load of books by starlyt · · Score: 1

    We are being told all the time about back problems in children, caused by the heavy school bags they need to take to and from school each day. The weight of the poor kids bags is well over the recommendations. Now young adults are complaining of back problems, and maybe this is, among other causes, related to the school bags they carried in their time. Tablet PCs are a very practical solution to the weight problem and also a very useful introduction into the future work environment, which will be more and more ruled by informatics. In my opinion it is both healthier and educational for today's children to use Tablet PCs or whatever, but PCs, for their school and home studies, and those who do will have a definite advantage in the search for a job, their education finished. Not to mention the obvious economies made in paper and the trees which are so vital for our atmosphere.

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  75. I want to write a book by Bikram+Yoga · · Score: 1

    I want to write a book on bikram yoga lol. All the craziness that went on with them http://bikramyoga1.com/