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DHL Goes Live With 'Parcelcopter' Drone Delivery Service

jones_supa writes: In December, Amazon announced it intends to deliver packages to customers using drones. But its initiative was widely ridiculed for being an over-hyped announcement with little to show for it. This summer, Google demonstrated its own drone-based delivery service, using a fixed-wing aircraft to deliver little packages to farmers in the Australian outback. But now, German delivery firm DHL has beaten the tech firms to the punch, announcing a regular drone delivery service for the first time, nine months after it launched its "parcelcopter" research project in December 2013. The service will use an quadcopter to deliver small parcels to the German island of Juist, a sandbar island 12km into the North Sea from the German coast, inhabited by 2,000 people. Deliveries will include medication and other urgently needed goods. Flying below 50 meters to avoid entering regulated air traffic corridors, the drone takes a fully automated route, carrying a special air-transport container that is extremely lightweight as well as weatherproof.

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  1. How much? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

    Why do they leave out the most interesting piece of information, which is how much cargo it can carry?

    I guess they'll not deliver in stormy weather....how about an RC boat?

    1. Re:How much? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      Because it's going to be less than the weight of a large candy bar. 12km is a very long flight for a quadcopter. I'm surprised they didn't use a fixed-wing aircraft. It would be harder to automate but one RC pilot's salary isn't a bad price to pay for this publicity stunt.

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    2. Re:How much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A boat would be much more difficult. The North Sea has strong tides with associated strong and varying currents. It falls "dry" for six hours every 12 hours. Besides, it's Germany: To keep in style, the boat would have to be a u-boat.

    3. Re:How much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      According to heise.de it will be be able to carry 1.2kg

    4. Re:How much? by thedonger · · Score: 1

      A boat would be much more difficult. The North Sea has strong tides with associated strong and varying currents. It falls "dry" for six hours every 12 hours. Besides, it's Germany: To keep in style, the boat would have to be a u-boat.

      I think to make the boat option viable it would have to be a submersible of some kind. And then it could hook up to an underground, automated system that launches a quadcopter drone out of a silo for local delivery.

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    5. Re:How much? by AlecC · · Score: 1

      According to TFA, it is continually monitored, if not actually flown, so they already have a human in the loop.

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    6. Re:How much? by Barsteward · · Score: 2

      they will also monitor it being shot at by kids and adult kids as it flies passed

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    7. Re:How much? by AlecC · · Score: 1

      According to TFA,, it is specifically intended for times when the sea prohibits the normal boats; there is no reason to believe an RC boat would me more seaworthy.

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    8. Re:How much? by AlecC · · Score: 2

      Standing in the sea? People on boats tend, usually, to be a little more responsible. Ad at below 50m, they will either have to be expecting it or be pretty fast at grabbing their guns - I doubt it will be in sight for more than perhaps 10 secs.

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    9. Re:How much? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      That sounds like a challenge :-P

      But seriously they're not Americans so they're not going to fill any object that could be a fun target with holes just because they can get away with it.

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    10. Re:How much? by AlecC · · Score: 2

      Certainly German police would take a much stricter view than US police, and random people are much less likely to have guns within grabbing distance.

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    11. Re:How much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It delivers 1.2 kg (2.5 pounds) according to Reuters. It's probably going to fly only in summer, which isn't as bad as it sounds. Juist island is a tourist destination, but too cold in winter so there's no real demand for deliveries in winter anyway.

      It kind of makes sense: drones are only suitable for the "last mile", but that last mile still can be problematic.

    12. Re:How much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A sphereboat with gyroscopes and jet propulsion would be unsinkable, at least by ocean conditions

    13. Re:How much? by AlecC · · Score: 1

      And are such things, with autonomous capability including docking, available now, as autonomous quadcopters are? The point is that this is not a research exercise, this is going into day by day carrying parcels people urgently need delivered safely. If the sphereboat is available off the shelf (and as well as being unsinkable can also not be wrecked on the shore or washed out to the open ocean)), it might make a good alternative.

      Of course, this is also a tryout for more generalised future delivery systems which, being overland, would not be appropriate for a boat.

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    14. Re:How much? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Riight, because the vast majority of gun owning Americans just shoot their guns into air all the time, like middle easterners do.

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    15. Re:How much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They kinda do. You don't see that in Germany, at all.

    16. Re:How much? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Kids very rarely have weapons capable of doing that ... this is Germany/Europe if you have overseen that fact.
      We actually have strict gun control laws here ... regularly ridiculed here on /. :) in case you missed that, too.

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    17. Re:How much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bing? Really? How Gauche.

    18. Re:How much? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Okay, that's like 40 or so signs (some of those images are posters) - many of which may be in the same region - compared to the millions of signs across the country. By that logic, all muslims are terrorists, too. All men are wife beaters, all women were pregnant as teenagers, etc..

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    19. Re:How much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The trial is in the united states, so no one will likely shoot at it, most countries have a bit more respect for other peoples property and don't freak out and shoot at anything that they find distasteful

    20. Re:How much? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      They should have use rocket mail, like the Brits did. Quadcopters are for pussies!

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    21. Re:How much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, some of those are not American. (Kangaroos and roundabouts are rare in the US.)

    22. Re: How much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sphereboat is only available through the NSA's technology transfer program

    23. Re:How much? by EnempE · · Score: 1

      Depends on whether it is a European drone or an African drone.

  2. Customers using drones. by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

    "In December, Amazon announced it intends to deliver packages to customers using drones."

    Up to that point, if you were using drones you had to do your shopping in EBay.

    1. Re:Customers using drones. by schlachter · · Score: 1

      As a customer using drones, I was so happy to finally be able to order from Amazon :)

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    2. Re:Customers using drones. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Uh, nope, Amazon used drones in December to announce its intention to deliver packages to customers. Hope that clears things up!

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  3. Pretty Cool by rmdingler · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I can see how these would be useful in parts of Alaska in the winter, especially for medications, from the good folks of Canadia, of course.

    Smugglers are probably wringing their hands in anticipation, but hell, every advancement seems to have some tangential consequence.

    Look to the innocent use of black powder for fireworks.

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    1. Re:Pretty Cool by Yetihehe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Smugglers are probably wringing their hands in anticipation, but hell, every advancement seems to have some tangential consequence.

      Already done. http://arstechnica.com/tech-po... http://www.usatoday.com/story/...

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    2. Re:Pretty Cool by tompaulco · · Score: 2

      I can see how these would be useful in parts of Alaska in the winter

      Unless, of course, it is cold or windy.

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    3. Re:Pretty Cool by schlachter · · Score: 1

      12 km? Why not just put up a zip line or an underwater vacuum tube? Seems more efficient with higher volume and less noise/power.

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    4. Re:Pretty Cool by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Maybe a Global Hawk, but Alaska is pretty damned big. Besides. we've figured this out long ago Bush planes. Cheap, simple, fairly robust. Certainly able to fly under any conditions that a wee little drone could fly in.

      And if you're really sick, you want said bush plane (or the Coast Guard or Air National Guard depending on where you are) to haul your ill ass OUT of wherever you happen to be. Most people who need urgent / emergent medicines need a bit more than just the drug. Like a doctor, nurse, clinic facilities, etc. The exception would be cocaine withdrawal but I don't see DHL getting into that game just yet.

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    5. Re:Pretty Cool by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      Smuggling into Alaska is all about the Rich and Rare (R&R) Whiskey.

      A ten dollar bottle in Anchorage sells for $240-$325 in the villages with alcohol restriction.

      Seems like it would be silly to risk narcotics-like penalties in court when the liquor markup is that substantial.

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    6. Re:Pretty Cool by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      We borrowed the athletic department's t-shirt gun for testing when we were spit-balling this around.

      Most of the employees in Research and Development that we selected for testing were more interested in firing small packages at the guys on the zip line...so you know, being a government contractor, we killed the zip line dev.

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    7. Re:Pretty Cool by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      Surely you're correct, but,

      if it's cold, windy, and dangerous it is also more practical to wreck nine drones to get the medicine there than it is to wreck two manned aircraft.

      I think that's true because getting the second pilot in the air after the crash would require some uber-level persuasion skills.

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    8. Re:Pretty Cool by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      The common saw is Necessity is the mother of invention.

      If we stipulate that banning a popular substance increases its value exponentially, and agree there are many who will equate profit with necessity, it is no surprise whatsoever that there exist blokes willing to play the risk/reward lotto.

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    9. Re:Pretty Cool by Zynder · · Score: 1

      in the villages with alcohol restriction

      Lemme guess, those villages are all Inuit/native right? Will the racism never end?

  4. DHL hires thieves (DE) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They steal stuff you post. More than once packages arrived at destination with contents replaced by chinese trinkets (re: funny HK shirts). Box is cut open from side, contents removed, replaced with trinkets.

  5. Ze war by RWerp · · Score: 4, Funny

    The drones will also be used to bomb Polish towns and villages. I mean, deliver parcels.

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  6. FAA and Commercial Drone Use by tiberus · · Score: 1

    According to a story I heard recently on NPR, the only currently legal use of drones in the U.S. is in the film industry. The story added that the FAA is expected to take a few years to sort out the rules for commercial drone use. Pilot training programs, certifications and the like will need to be developed and put in place, don't recall any mention of autonomous drones. The air-ways should be truly interesting once Google brings it's ala Jetson car to the mix.

    1. Re:FAA and Commercial Drone Use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The military can use drones. You just got BURNED! By an AC! Oh, the shame.

  7. obligatory (?) dethklok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you, will most likely die
    by the hands of my arm
    when i come and fly
    and take over your face
    with the front of my PARCELCOPTER

  8. Copter data by JanneM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's some data on the hardware, from http://ca.reuters.com/article/...

    * 65 km/h peak speed, and will cover the distance in about 15-30 minutes;
    * It weighs 5kg, and can carry a payload of up to 1.2kg

    With 1.2kg it can certainly carry a complement of medicines or even small, urgently needed hardware and parts (batteries or spare bits for medical equipment for instance). Not general use of cours, but it does look like more than just a stunt.

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    1. Re:Copter data by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      I thought the same thing. Is very useful to be able to deliver an emergency order immediately in remote places. Consider for example a medical emergency where the local doctor needs a specific medication as soon as possible. You can put a lot of useful thing in 1.2kg

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    2. Re:Copter data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These would also be handy in the event of a large scale quarantine to deliver medication and supplies with out having to have some one breach quarantine to get to them.

    3. Re:Copter data by markass530 · · Score: 1

      That's a weak ass payload limit, I Looked into it a little a couple months ago for something and COTS RC Helicopters could do 10-20 LBS easy

    4. Re:Copter data by JanneM · · Score: 1

      Could they handle that weight for such a distance, though? And in very rough weather, including rain and strong headwinds?

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    5. Re:Copter data by wagnerrp · · Score: 1

      That's because it's a quadcopter, and not a helicopter. Helicopters use large, slow rotors and a swashplate, because it is vastly more efficient. Quadcopters use cheap little fixed propellers, because they're cheap.

    6. Re:Copter data by wagnerrp · · Score: 1

      Considering the traditional helicopter has much more available thrust, and that thrust can be vectored nearly instantaneously through the swashplate, instead of waiting for an electric motor to spool up, I would expect it to fare much better in adverse weather than a quadcopter.

    7. Re:Copter data by schlachter · · Score: 1

      good enough for a personal pizza!

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    8. Re:Copter data by JanneM · · Score: 1

      So why are people generally using quadcopters for autonomous systems? What's the disadvantage of a single-rotor copter when you're doing autonomous flight? I can imagine that perhaps it's a size issue - quadcopters are lighter or cheaper or more efficient below a certain size or when indoors? Or is it much more difficult to write a reliable control system for a single-rotor system?

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    9. Re:Copter data by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      A single rotor is certainly not more efficient, especially if powered by a combustion engine.

      Also every crash landing completely destroys the 'drive section' of a helicopter.
      A quad copter (made 90%) from plastics likely only needs a battery charge after a crash, because that is the main reason for crashing: out of power.

      Start and landing is hazardous, you have to stay clear from the rotor.
      Automating a helicopter, especially to fly in narrow areas or under strong, quickly changing wind, is much much harder than automating a quad copter, or octo copter.

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    10. Re:Copter data by wagnerrp · · Score: 1

      The complexity of a swashplate places a minimum barrier to entry on the system.

    11. Re:Copter data by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      But really, work out the business case. An island of 3000 or so people needs JUST a small medication (or part or whatever) often enough to spin up this entire system? I can't remember the last time I (as an ER doc) needed just the a medication to treat a patient. If the med is that unusual that it's not stocked then it typically is dangerous enough (or the patient sick enough) to transport the person to a bigger facility. Yes, there are some exceptions (say snake bite antivenom, Digifab but they are definitely edge cases.

      Perhaps. And presumably DHL has done some homework - we have to assume that they aren't just batshit insane. But it's just hard to figure.

      The only thing I can thing of needing this sort of delivery system is iPhone replacements or drug withdrawals.

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    12. Re:Copter data by wagnerrp · · Score: 2

      A single rotor is certainly not more efficient

      In terms of thrust per unit power, larger disk area is always better than smaller. That's why turbofans use less fuel than turbojets. That's why props use less fuel than turbofans. That's why helicopters can lift so much weight, but propeller aircraft can very rarely accelerate vertically.

      especially if powered by a combustion engine.

      Electric motors typically operate at around 90% efficiency, while combustion engines are closer to 30%. On the other hand, that combustion engine will use fuel with an energy density some 40x better than the best batteries we have. If you expect to have any significant loiter or range, you're going to need a lot of energy storage, and that very quickly means your battery powered aircraft simply won't cut it. This is why we don't have battery powered aircraft.

      Also every crash landing completely destroys the 'drive section' of a helicopter. A quad copter (made 90%) from plastics likely only needs a battery charge after a crash

      Who cares? First, the whole purpose of drones is supposed to be that they're disposable. They're cheap enough to source and operate that you're not supposed to care too much if you lose one. Besides, in this application, carrying medical supplies, the payload is going to be valued at far far more than the aircraft itself.

      Also, you're fooling yourself if you think a several kg object made of plastic and impacting at 30m/s is going to survive. This is real hardware, not your RC toy.

      Automating a helicopter, especially to fly in narrow areas or under strong, quickly changing wind, is much much harder than automating a quad copter, or octo copter.

      You're going to have to explain your logic on this one to me. On a quad copter, you vary the RPM of your independent motors to shift the center of thrust. On a traditional helicopter, you change the pitch of your swashplate to vary the angle of attack of your rotor and shift the center of thrust. The only difference I can see between the two different control systems is that the quad copter requires an additional matrix mixer on its outputs, and reacts more slowly since it has to fight inertia.

    13. Re:Copter data by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      Well, medication delivery is just one of many options, you just need to be creative to find other uses. You have a 1.2kg payload capacity and you can go anywhere inside the range of the drone. With this I can delivery food (pizza?), eletronics, mail, pretty much anything that is not too heavy or too large

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    14. Re:Copter data by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      You miss the point that we talk about a mini helicopter.
      A thing in the size, or at least lift capability of a drone quad copter.
      Further your claim about fuel efficiency is simply wrong. A emgine big enough for a car is below 20% efficiency. Engines small enough for a 'drone' are in the range of ten percent.
      To get any meaningfull efficiency you need a turbine, wich is close to 40%.

      Erm your last paragraph is wrong on all concerns ... a combustion engine mini helicopter is heavier than a plastic quad copter, so the inertia is on its draw backs. Further a helicopter with its huge rotor is far more easy disrupted by wind (not to mention its rotation inertia) hence maneuvers are more easy disrupted. The price tack I doubt as well. If helicopters where easier and cheaper and would maneuver better: everyone would use them.
      Contradicting to your ideas: all quad copters react like a quick insect while the helicopters fly around very sluggish. I suggest you watch some youtube videos about it :) Quad copters usually have enough power to stop on the spot or change cours nearly in every angle/direction without flying a curve. Even a super simple leight weight helicopter can not do that.

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    15. Re:Copter data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quads are far simpler in design. The prop hardware for a Quad probably is half to third the cost of a copter and uses far few different parts than a copter so also easier to maintain.

    16. Re:Copter data by wagnerrp · · Score: 1

      Further your claim about fuel efficiency is simply wrong. A emgine big enough for a car is below 20% efficiency.

      Excluding transmission losses, modern automotive gasoline engines are typically in the low 30s.

      Engines small enough for a 'drone' are in the range of ten percent.

      Engines small enough for RC aircraft are typically 2-stroke, which significantly increases your power-to-weight ratio, but roughly halves your energy efficiency. They also typically run on alcohol and nitromethane blends, which have low energy density but high power outputs. Four stroke gasoline engines on the order of a couple cubic inches are used on large scale models, and some rough power and fuel consumption estimates from manufacturers puts them around 0.45-0.5 lb/hp*hr, which is on the high side of what you see in automotive engines.

      a combustion engine mini helicopter is heavier than a plastic quad copter, so the inertia is on its draw backs

      Just how light do you think enough battery for an hour long flight is? Hint, it's going to weigh more than the IC engine and a comparable amount of fuel.

      Contradicting to your ideas: all quad copters react like a quick insect while the helicopters fly around very sluggish. I suggest you watch some youtube videos about it :)

      Those videos show the performance of an unloaded quadcopter. If you try to put any significant payload on one, you will see something very different. I suggest you watch some youtube videos about 3D aero helicopters.

    17. Re:Copter data by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      A our dates car engine is below 20% ... not in the 30% range.

      Thise videos show unloaded helicopters versus unloaded quad copters.

      Perhpas you should start studying some physics?

      A helicopter and any quad, hexa, octo or what ever copter fly on complete different physical principles.

      Just how light do you think enough battery for an hour long flight is? Hint, it's going to weigh more than the IC engine and a comparable amount of fuel.

      If that would be the case: we had plenty of news about drone helicopteers flying on ethanol or other burning fluids. But what we actually have is plenty of news about 'strange' copters flying on batteries. Next try?

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    18. Re:Copter data by wagnerrp · · Score: 1

      A our dates car engine is below 20% ... not in the 30% range.

      The average system efficiency may be that low, when you account for transmission losses and off-design operation.

      Thise videos show unloaded helicopters versus unloaded quad copters.

      Yes. The point was this "fantastic maneuverability" of quadrotors as seen on youtube videos is nothing special. It's merely a function of the squared-cubed law allowing for very high thrust to weight ratios, and traditional helicopter designs offer a no less impressive display.

      A helicopter and any quad, hexa, octo or what ever copter fly on complete different physical principles.

      Eh, what? The aerodynamic principles governing subsonic flight have been known for a century and a half, and they're the same regardless of whether you have fixed or rotating wings, and fixed or variable pitch.

      If that would be the case: we had plenty of news about drone helicopteers flying on ethanol or other burning fluids.

      People have been developing drone helicopters since the 90s, and they have seen active military use for several years.

      But what we actually have is plenty of news about 'strange' copters flying on batteries. Next try?

      That's because any asshat with $300 can go buy an AR Drone and make a nuisance of themselves. As I've explained, fixed propellers, electric motors and batteries have lowered the barrier for entry to rotorcraft and opened it up to a much larger audience. Just because they're widely available does not mean they're efficient or performant.

    19. Re:Copter data by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Aside from the technical limitations already mentioned there's a physical limitation too. Go and have a look at the prop span of a helicopter and look at injuries too.

      For an autonomous system I like my blades at high speed and low momentum. Having flown my quad into myself it was no fun, but nothing a few bandaids couldn't fix. On the other hand the last injury I heard using a helicopter involved near complete decapitation. It's a whole world more dangerous having a large prop span.

      Also there's the number of moving parts issue. A quad has 4 motors. Motors are very reliable with the only thing that can really fail being a set of bearings (which don't involve falling out of the sky) or electronics failure (which is common to both types aircraft). A helicopter on the other hand has swashplates to tilt blades as the rotor spins, and they are not only expensive, but on a small scale not the most reliable from what I can gather. The only person I know with an RC helicopter of any size says he services his every few months, quite a bit more than the never I do to mine (save for checking the various bolts are tight).

    20. Re:Copter data by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      But really, work out the business case.

      I live in Brisbane with several small inhabited Islands off the cost. It costs Australia Post about $200 to do delivery / collection to the island in transit fees for the barge, not to mention that it puts the truck out of order while it sits on the boat.

      I can definitely see a business case for this. A simple small letter does not need a truck to come pick it up. Weekly mail deliveries can be done more frequently and the large stuff can be reserved for a truck when need be.

    21. Re:Copter data by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The average system efficiency may be that low, when you account for transmission losses and off-design operation.
      Sorry, that is wrong. And the smaller the engine (as in 'drone') the less efficient it is.
      and traditional helicopter designs offer a no less impressive display.
      They do, especially if not a drone but a real one.
      Eh, what? The aerodynamic principles governing subsonic flight have been known for a century and a half, and they're the same regardless of whether you have fixed or rotating wings, and fixed or variable pitch.
      Half true, if I get you right. Not sure if I get you right.
      Quad copters don't fly by aero dynamic principles :) That is exactly the point! They fly by 'thrust' only! Hence they outmaneuver anything else (except similar octo copters, obviously)
      People have been developing drone helicopters since the 90s, and they have seen active military use for several years.
      Yes, that is a no brainer. Everyone knows that. No one uses them as 'delievery' drone ... or is suggesting to do so, why? So what exactly is your point?

      So, you still think helicopters are better, or equally suited ... then do your projects with those ;)

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    22. Re:Copter data by wagnerrp · · Score: 1

      Quad copters don't fly by aero dynamic principles :) That is exactly the point! They fly by 'thrust' only!

      ALL rotorcraft fly by thrust only, and that thrust is produced by aerodynamic surfaces, following aerodynamic principles.

    23. Re:Copter data by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      No they are not.

      Replace the propellers of the quadcopter with "rocket engines" if you really want to nitpick and claim that the propeller would use "aero dynamic principles".

      Now you have a quad engine rocket propelled _brick_ flying by thrust only, no aero dynamics involved at all.

      Now to the helicopter: it does not fly by thrust at all, with "thrust" it it only gets its "directions", its lift it is getting from the profile of its "moving wings" in the rotor. Thrust it gets from the tilting of the rotor as the rotor creates a minimal amount of thrust in addiction to its lift.

      And finally, regarding helicopters: there are plenty of variations that don't generate any thrust at all with their rotor. Gyrocopters e.g. and those "mixins" between Gyrocopter and Helicopter where the rotor tilt is fixed (actually it has no real tilt, only trimming options) and the "thrust" comes from a turbine engine or extra propellers. Those "copters" start and land like helicopters but the forward thrust does not come from the rotor but the turbine (they have no swashplate) In german they are called "Tragschrauber" but a Tragschrauber is a synonym for Autogyro or Gyrocopter as well, so I have no clue what the proper name in english is. Hm, seems the more current german term is "Flugschrauber", a sample is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.... As you want to nitpick, I can also mention this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

      So to summarize: a helicopter gets its _lift_ by the profile of its rotor blades, it gets its thrust by the _pitch_ of the rotorblades, and its _direction_ by said thrust by the tilt of the rotor with the swashplate.
      A quadcopter uses _only_ the thrust of its engines/propellors ... it has nothing to aero dynamically generate _lift_.

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    24. Re:Copter data by wagnerrp · · Score: 1

      Now you have a quad engine rocket propelled _brick_ flying by thrust only, no aero dynamics involved at all.

      Technically, aerodynamic principles govern the conversion of temperature and pressure in the combustion chamber into exhaust velocity as the propellant travels through the nozzle.

      Now to the helicopter: it does not fly by thrust at all, with "thrust" it it only gets its "directions", its lift it is getting from the profile of its "moving wings" in the rotor. Thrust it gets from the tilting of the rotor as the rotor creates a minimal amount of thrust in addiction to its lift.

      Actually, helicopter rotors are typically symmetric, meaning they produce zero lift/thrust at zero angle of attack. The amount of lift/thrust they get is directly dependent on the pitch of the rotor blades, and the "profile" or camber of the blades is only to prevent flow separation on the suction side of the blade at higher angles of attack.

      You mention the "tilting of the rotor", which I suspect is a serious misunderstanding of how a helicopter works. Helicopter rotor blades pitch up and down to produce more or less lift/thrust, but the rotor disk itself does not move in relation to the attitude of the helicopter The disk is fixed. If the helicopter wants to move forward, the entire craft, rotor disk, fuselage and all must pitch forward to change the direction of thrust.

      It pitches the swashplate such that the rotor blades currently at the front of the disk have a low or negative angle of attack, while those at the back have a high angle of attack. This shifts the center of lift/thrust rearward with respect to the center of mass, causing the helicopter to pitch forward. Now that the whole craft, including the rotor disk, is pitched forward, the lift/thrust vector tilts rearward, and the rotor now produces forward thrust.

      A quadcopter uses _only_ the thrust of its engines/propellors ... it has nothing to aero dynamically generate _lift_.

      Just how does a propeller work, if not aerodynamically?

    25. Re:Copter data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, the whole purpose of drones is supposed to be that they're disposable.

      No, it's not.
      The purpose of drones is that you can drop the requirements for carrying humans: weight, space, comfort, life support.
      The other purpose is that they can be a lot cheaper to operate since they can either fly autonomously, or under the control of a human without the strenuous and expensive requirements of a real flying permission.

      The hardware itself can range from cheap plastic capable of carrying a few grams of payload to a beast capable of carrying heavy cargo. Disposability isn't inherent to the idea and benefits of using drones.

  9. 1.2kg = 2.64 pounds by voss · · Score: 2

    I dont know about you but you could easily carry emergency medications in a 2 1/2 pound payload. There are a lot of extremely valuable things you can fit in a 2 1/2 pounds payload. Now im not sure id want to be the 1st or even 100th customer. Give it a year or two prove reliability then id be okay with it.

    1. Re:1.2kg = 2.64 pounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now im not sure id want to be the 1st or even 100th customer. Give it a year or two prove reliability then id be okay with it.

      Why not? If the package doesn't arrive, or arrives damaged it's not your responsibility.
      Sure you might not get the package as soon as you'd like to in that case, but that's not much different from the current delivery process.

  10. I've lived my whole life in Germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and have never heard of that island before.

  11. Me too... by voss · · Score: 2

    I had the funny HK shirts I ordered secretly replaced with expensive electronics...what would I do with expensive electronics???

  12. In other news... by zarmanto · · Score: 1

    And in other news, the US FAA was heard bellowing, "Get off of my lawn!" to a bunch of kids playing with their remote controlled drones...

  13. Better Watch out by voss · · Score: 1

    The Poles have quite the RC hacking skills

    http://humanrightshouse.org/Ar...

  14. Poop bombs - go! by water-and-sewer · · Score: 4, Funny

    This technology has infinite uses. Say for example, there are some politicians in my country to whom I'd like to mail a bag of soggy dog poop. That might be a problem using traditional mail systems, but thanks to drone technology, you can just attach the bag of poop to a drone and pilot it over them as they're walking to work. Then, because the drone is probably busy with other demands, it's probably most efficient if, rather than landing, it just releases the attach hooks and drops that bag from its normal hovering altitude.

    See, this is progress, thanks to technological advancement!

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    1. Re:Poop bombs - go! by fafalone · · Score: 1

      Technological advances solved the problem of sending poop a while ago, no need for drones. PoopSenders.com has a wide variety of poop to choose from. I really hoped this was a joke, but the internet has in fact sank to that level.

  15. Just get me my shit by gelfling · · Score: 1

    DHL Global Mail is slightly slower than me walking to wherever the shit is sent from, picking it up myself and walking back home again. 4 WEEKS to get something from Boston to Raleigh? Or maybe 12 days stuck somewhere in Georgia?

  16. voice activated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But it only understands Parceltongue...

  17. militarize the drone, drop bioweapons on enemies by jsepeta · · Score: 1

    want to clear the terrorists our of cities? then do the unspeakable

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  18. What's missing though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What's missing is being built to standards. Everything other digital fly by wire airplane over people has triple-string (triple-redundant) flight controls and can fly safely without GPS. This thing? Nope. Drones are only cheaper when you cut out the safety systems.

    1. Re:What's missing though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A drone don't need triple redundancy. For flying over a city you need crash protection - but this could be as simple as a large parachute. Nobody dies - not even from a slow direct hit. For carrying mail across the north sea (or low-tide mud) no security is needed. If the cheap drone fails, it makes a splash. Just make it so it floats, so the mail bag can be recoveredy by boat later.

  19. Roflcopter by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

    Parcelcopter? I prefer roflcopters.

  20. kids playing are fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The FAA has no problem with kids playing, as long as they don't interfere with manned aviation. What the FAA (and responsible adults) have a problem with is greed motivated corporations blowing off safety to make money. Of course, this is "cool" and "new" so we don't need to worry about 100 years of aviation safety lessons, and thoughtfully apply them. The FAA must be dragging their feet.

  21. Of course, it should be a parcel-carrier by mi · · Score: 1

    When Amazon made their announcement, my first thought was, the parcel-carriers should all be doing it. Sellers might too, but for FedEx, UPS, USPS, DHL and other mail-companies, this is a must going forward.

    I even bought some AVAV shares back then — the only publicly-traded company I could find, for whom drone-making is the primary business...

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  22. Canada/US targets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, as much as I want to pooh-pooh the technology as being a stupid waste, there's a few locations that are especially good for this because of the danger of flying people:

    Alaska
    Yukon
    NWT
    Nunavut
    BC and Washington's Islands (Because limited ferry service generally makes package delivery impossible)
    and most of Canada during the Winter because of icy roads.

    1. Re:Canada/US targets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Icy roads is not a problem. That is what studded tires is for. If ice is common, you have such tires. Neither is deep snow, for that we have snowmobiles or snowplows. Snow is only considered a problem in places where it occur rarely. Such as some U.S. cities that actually shut down over a mere 20cm of snow. In other parts of the world, such a small snowfall just means you're a little late for work. . .

  23. regulations a sham by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Flying below 50 meters to avoid entering regulated air traffic corridors, "

    Yeah, how do they guarantee that? Of all the commercial and custom controllers, it's based on some s/w--and has that been reviewed? Likely not.

  24. twisting history once again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DHL, we're 1st to market on delivery of stuff, general operations, the cheering in the video. The guardian: they beat everyone to market...

    Yeah, right.

    That's a $100K Microdrone. DHL had it for 3 yrs LIRC and we end up with this PR stunt? Yes, youtube = PR.

    And 1st to deliver? I beg to differ. And these guys got shutdown by the FAA (i.e. a legit business).

    Cheer on countrymen....

  25. Dropped packages by volmtech · · Score: 1

    Don't send anything important. About twenty years ago I found an Emory Worldwide legal envelope (contract for an Orlando land purchase inside) in middle of my potato field in northeast Florida, miles from any paved road. It could only have fallen from a cargo jet, Lord knows where the rest of the container landed.

  26. 2 cents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how expensive is the weatherproof packaging and who pays for its cost?

  27. if the concept uses a quad copter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    then it's working off of hype only and not practicality. Quads and multi rotor multimotor airframes are for when stability is the ultimate goal. Deliveries don't need it, and the most efficient/fastest/most able to deal with wind are single rotor helicopters. You'll lift more and carry it farther and fly longer with a "traditional" helicopter, but that doesn't fit the hype bandwagon of the "public imagination" (or kickstarter or angel investors).

    Even coaxials have limits and compromises that make them less ideal but are for simplicity of flight. Human pilots need simplicity, autopilots and gyro systems do not. Its easy enough to build a single rotor helicopter that is as stable as a quad, but hobbyists don't do it because that takes all the fun out of learning to fly the thing and the bragging rights when you master it.

    A serious drone delivery system would be based on something like a Trex 400 for short range and a Firescout for bigger stuff.