Slashdot Mirror
The Great Lightbulb Conspiracy
HughPickens.com writes: Markus Krajewski reports that today, with many countries phasing out incandescent lighting in favor of more-efficient and pricier LEDs, it's worth revisiting the history of the Phoebus cartel — not simply as a quirky anecdote from the annals of technology, but as a cautionary tale about the strange and unexpected pitfalls that can arise when a new technology vanquishes an old one. Prior to the Phoebus cartel's formation in 1924, household light bulbs typically burned for a total of 1,500 to 2,500 hours; cartel members agreed to shorten that life span to a standard 1,000 hours.
Each factory regularly sent lightbulb samples to the cartel's central laboratory in Switzerland for verification. If any factory submitted bulbs lasting longer or shorter than the regulated life span for its type, the factory was obliged to pay a fine. Though long gone, the Phoebus cartel still casts a shadow today because it reduced competition in the light bulb industry for almost twenty years, and has been accused of preventing technological advances that would have produced longer-lasting light bulbs. Will history repeat itself as the lighting industry is now going through its most tumultuous period of technological change since the invention of the incandescent bulb?
"Consumers are expected to pay more money for bulbs that are up to 10 times as efficient and that are touted to last a fantastically long time—up to 50,000 hours in the case of LED lights. In normal usage, these lamps will last so long that their owners will probably sell the house they're in before having to change the bulbs," writes Krajewski. "Whether or not these pricier bulbs will actually last that long is still an open question, and not one that the average consumer is likely to investigate." There are already reports of CFLs and LED lamps burning out long before their rated lifetimes are reached. "Such incidents may well have resulted from nothing more sinister than careless manufacturing. But there is no denying that these far more technologically sophisticated products offer tempting opportunities for the inclusion of purposefully engineered life-shortening defects.""
Each factory regularly sent lightbulb samples to the cartel's central laboratory in Switzerland for verification. If any factory submitted bulbs lasting longer or shorter than the regulated life span for its type, the factory was obliged to pay a fine. Though long gone, the Phoebus cartel still casts a shadow today because it reduced competition in the light bulb industry for almost twenty years, and has been accused of preventing technological advances that would have produced longer-lasting light bulbs. Will history repeat itself as the lighting industry is now going through its most tumultuous period of technological change since the invention of the incandescent bulb?
"Consumers are expected to pay more money for bulbs that are up to 10 times as efficient and that are touted to last a fantastically long time—up to 50,000 hours in the case of LED lights. In normal usage, these lamps will last so long that their owners will probably sell the house they're in before having to change the bulbs," writes Krajewski. "Whether or not these pricier bulbs will actually last that long is still an open question, and not one that the average consumer is likely to investigate." There are already reports of CFLs and LED lamps burning out long before their rated lifetimes are reached. "Such incidents may well have resulted from nothing more sinister than careless manufacturing. But there is no denying that these far more technologically sophisticated products offer tempting opportunities for the inclusion of purposefully engineered life-shortening defects.""
the Phoebus cartel still casts a shadow today because it reduced competition in the light bulb industry
I see what you did there!
the CFL/LEDs last forever... but most don't operate off of 120/240 volts. So there are transformers in the base that ramp the voltage up. The transformers do NOT last 50k hours. That's what burns out.
I refuse to get any any more LED light bulbs... every one that I've purchased - from multiple companies - has burned out prematurely. NOT WORTH THE COST. And CF are dangerous. (If one breaks, you need to open the windows and leave the room for 1/2 hr.) Further - no viable light bulb replacements will work with dimmer switches (Which my house has many).
I've tried 3 brands.
1. One cheap generic (long center square stack with LEDs), this model failed quickly and had poor light.
2. Discount sale LED bulb at Home Depot, with a soft rubber like coating on the exterior. Poor non-uniform light, returned.
3. 3 pack of LED bulbs from Costco. 60 watt replacement. These bulbs have about 50% more lumens than the CFLs. I've had one failure out of about 20+ bulbs. The light is in fact brighter and more uniform than even my incandescent bulbs. At $9.99 for 3 when on sale at Costco. I've decided that ALL my bulbs will be replaced by these LEDs.
(Oh and the one failed bulb was replaced by the the manufacturer.)
Get a LED headlamp and only light up the area of the room that you are looking at.
You'll only need 3 or 4 watts that way.
So, the "return" process is iffy. I didn't have my receipt when one died and I took it back to Lowe's for an exchange of the same model (Phillips).. they said they couldn't be sure it was under warranty, I told them it was supposed to last 10 years, and they had only been selling them for a few months. They begrudgingly swapped it out.
Anyway, the other 2 bulbs, I decided to pull them apart. I dug out the silicone potting, and found the failure was in a large capacitor, visibly bulging. I haven't had time to replace the bit - but I'm pretty sure that's all that blew on it. Tested the individual LEDs and they are fine.
So both failures were due to purchasing the cheapest possible components, specifically a "largish" (like 0.3uF 200v) capacitor. My guess is that there was a larger cap that would handle the load, but they needed to reduce the size. Initiating the failure was probably one or more line spikes.
meh
Nobody would have profited from longer lasting lightbulbs.
In 1000 hours, a 100W lightbulb costs an order of magnitude more electricity than the puchase price. You can easily increase the lifetime of such a bulb to 10k hours, simply be reducing the operation temperature by 20% or so.
Of course, this halves lumens/W, to to get the same brightness, you need 200W of power - which means you pay twice as much over those 10k hours as if you have bought 10 100W bulbs to last that time.
High power lamps, for example in flashlight, used to be specified to operation times below 100h, because this allowed them to almost double the battery runtime...
I was unscrewing one of the twisty CFL's that died after probably 1000 hours use. It basically exploded in my face, about the top 15% of the bulb was small shards though the rest was intact. Yes, we got screwed by the government forcing them on us before they were ready for prime time, just like the water saving toilets that don't flush unless you cycle them a few times.
While this may be an intellectually interesting story, I hardly think we need to consider a 100 year old defunct cartel. I'm far more worried about modern cartels, consider those in the title and there are many other besides - investment banks, teacher federations, De Beers... We need only glance outside our own personal bubbles to recognize massive manipulation starting with advantageous legislation perpetuating inefficient business models and see consumers are exploited from all directions by cartels.
The Department of Energy had a pretty rigorous test regimen set up for testing LED bulbs.
http://www.lightingprize.org/6...
What is needed is a good (and trustworthy) rating agency to test and qualify the bulbs.
But, of course, everybody wants to buy the cheapest ones, not ones tested to long lifetime.
For what it's worth, I have about 60 LED bulbs in my house, from about fifteen maufacturers. So far, four have failed.
Further - no viable light bulb replacements will work with dimmer switches (Which my house has many).
That was true five years ago-- these days it seems all of then are rated to work with dimmers . I have some Philips LED bulbs on a dimmer in the dining room-- they work fine.
http://www.geoffreylandis.com
I write the date on all my bulbs. Failed bulbs are never replaced with the same brand. The theory goes that short life bulbs will be circulated out of service and long life bulbs will remain.
Note to manufactures, to get on my bad boy list, have high premature deaths. To get on my recommended list, be the last man standing in my testing.
Failures fall in two modes. Lumen maintenance and failure. Most LED's dim over their lifetime. I bought a 3 pack of lower wattage "candelaubra lamps and used them in bathrooms as nightlights. I noticed they were quite dim after about 7 months. Used the 3rd bulb as a comparison as I used only two at the time. I photographed the result with a digital camera on manual settings so all exposures were taken with the same setting and posted the result online. You don't want your short life bulbs mentioned by name in a poor review.
My general observations are older bulbs had higher failure rates than the current line as the technology improved. LED's are an absolute must in locations with occasional use such as bathrooms, but often leave much to be desired where they are on 24/7 or 8-12 hours a day. A CFL in a seldom switched location will often have better lumen maintenance than an LED.
Note on the package on LED's, they are most often rated for only 3 Hours a day. For now use them in hallways, the garrage,storage areas, and bathrooms, I am having some great performance on some newer bulbs in the living room, but it is too early to call, but it is looking promising.
The truth shall set you free!
Every led I've purchased (I only buy energy star , because they are actually testing them for light quality ,unlike with CFLs ,so that may make a difference ) , has said it was dimmable , to the point I thought it was intrinsic in the technology .
They're also the only bulbs that have any real life in my old house . My porch light lasts 2-3 weeks incandesant . I'm 4 months on the led I put in it , on convenience alone it's worth the price .
You sound like a neighborhood in a town not far from me.
Apparently the houses close to the power substation routinely got something like 20% overvoltage. The lights burned bright, but they burned out fast.
In theory, LED bulbs would actually be a better bet, since they're current-driven, not voltage-driven and the voltage is stepped down. So as long as the LED voltage was less than what it took to fry the LEDs, they might burn a bit brighter, but that's about all.
No, LEDs aren't inherently dimmable, since, like I said, they're current-driven and running on reduced voltages internally. Furthermore, a lot of dimmers are not rheostatic, but instead work by modulating the "pulse width" (for lack of the proper term) of the A/C waveform. An incandescent bulb has thermal mass, so that results in dimmer light (and color change thanks to lower temperature). A flourescent light will generally not be amused, and an LED light is only likely to work if it has some sort of way to convert the pulse width to relative current level (such as via capacitors).
I have some dimmable LED lights and they work great, but it was unusual seeing the same lamp color as the light dimmed. And the light curve for the LEDs doesn't match what resistive lamps do, so there is noticable non-linearity in the brightness relative to the dimmer setting.
I recently tossed a set of 4 year old Bosch HE front-loading washers and dryers. The washer was full of mold and the dryer needed 2-3 cycles to adequately dry clothes.
I performed all the preventative steps periodically running a hot cycle, running bleach and cleaning agents through the machine, leaving the door open after every use, cleaning out the dryer vent twice per year...etc.
None of it mattered. The service tech says these problems are common to all HE machines. They simply do not use enough water at a high enough temperature to adequately flush the machine. They dryers are also garbage as the manufacturers are forced to use small burners and short cycle times to meet energy efficiency requirements.
My mom's 25 year old Kenmores washed and dried clothes without complaint for many years - now we are saving the planet by putting crappy appliances in a landfill every few years.
I finally opted for a non-HE washer and dryer (Speed Queen if anyone cares). They are old-school commercial-duty devices. No WiFi, no touch screens, no weather or twitter feed - simply clean clothes in half the time.
Yup they use more water and gas, but I wouldn't have it any other way.
I was told that by 2016 or 2017 these units will no longer be made thanks to more efficiency regs. It's madness.
How does this relate to CFLs and LED bulbs - well - I like my LED bulbs - my CFLs were almost all garbage that lasted a year or two. Most CFLs that I bought didn't last anywhere near their rated 7 year life.
It would have been better to simply give people economic incentives to buy the more efficient bulbs instead of being forced to buy the bulbs.
I don't know why Americans don't have a dual flush system on their toilets like all of Europe does.
Because most americans would always use the "big flush" anyways. Water is too cheap in the USA and water saving devices are
worthless in this context. If you need to save water, the best way to actually save water is to make the consumer actually want to
save water. Many places in the USA, water saving is a joke as there is plenty of water. In the places where there actually is a
water shortage problem then they need to ration it per person and charge higher and higher tiers for people that use more than the
average. Basically, there needs to be a luxury tax on excess water consumption. In most place toilets aren't the problem but
rather it's all the swimming pools, lawn sprinklers, and industrial uses.
I've read that the Energy Star people admit they screwed up with CFL, but are determined to not make the same mistake with LED
In order to get the Energy Star label, a CFL bulb has to meet certain efficiency requirements. But the rating says nothing about longevity. In theory, fluorescent bulbs should last a long time. But the built-in electronics are the usual source of failure. This is particularly the case with ceiling lights and other bulbs where the electronics are on the top, and often in an area where they do not get much cooling. So, the cheap - or more importantly *Crappy* - bulbs can carry the same certification as the good ones. So, CFL got a bad name, which is also fail for the Energy Star folks.
With LED bulbs, the Energy Star people wanted to make sure that they don't make the same mistake. So, in order to get the label, a bulb has to meet the efficiency standards, plus demonstrate that they can handle the run-length requirements. And there are many different requirements, depending on the type of bulb and its intended usage. In order to get the Energy Star label, they are tested for something like 9 months.
So, the moral of the story is that if you buy an LED that carries the Energy Star label, it should not fail prematurely. But the down-side is that LED technology continues to improve, with the most recent chips putting out something like 250 Lumens/Watt. An agile manufacturer might be able to quickly get this technology to market with an excellent new bulb. But it cannot carry the Energy Star label until it has been through rigorous testing, which takes nearly a year.
I think a lot of people who have over the years tried to use more energy efficient bulbs found that their actual lifespan was all over the map. I'm sure this has led to a lot of people being turned off and going back to incandescents.
When they decided to phase out incandescents they should have made bulb makers date stamp the bulb with a "good until" date AND mandate that any bulb burned out before this date is eligible for a free, over-the-counter replacement.
This would have greatly improved consumer confidence and forced manufacturers to be either more realistic about lifespans or not skimp on components.
What I've found odd about CFLs is that they seem to fail strangely with no discernable pattern. I've gotten some to last in extreme places (outdoors, through subzero winters) and had several fail in places you think they wouldn't, indoor lamps with good ventilation.
There's no guarantee that the bulb that is sold for a high price isn't actually the same piece of cheap shit inside, just sold for a greater profit.
But there is no denying that these far more technologically sophisticated products offer tempting opportunities for the inclusion of purposefully engineered life-shortening defects.
Like, for example, a $1000 phone with a battery the user can't change...
Out with it, where are these scathing reviews of yours?
LMAO "wasted energy", they use 10x less energy than incandescent for the same rated lumen output.
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
This is crazy. Just because the service tech told you something doesn't make it true.
I have an HE washer/dryer that predates yours. I got it them 10 years ago and they're still going strong. It was the Maytag Neptune, which was the first HE washer on the US market. There was a flaw in the door latch on the first year or two model but I was lucky to avoid that, mine is from just after that.
The washer works fine, although it is nice if you leave the door open for a day once in a while to dry it out in there otherwise, since the door is sealed, any moisture left in the drum after a cycle just sits there until next time you use it. It doesn't have anything to do with hot water, hot water only stays hot for a short time and hot water doesn't kill mildew anyway, if it did you wouldn't need to scrub or bleach the grout in your shower! Later models from Samsung and LG don't have this problem.
The dryer doesn't even have cycle times. It just runs until the clothes are dry. It does this using a dryness sensor, the same type which has been around since 1980 or so. If you do run it on a timed cycle, you can adjust the time it runs in one minute increments. So I have no idea what your tech was telling you about mandating short cycle times or burners that aren't hot enough.
http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/8/20/95
I was looking at LED replacement bulbs at the hardware store the other day ($20 each). I am suspect as to their efficiency.
Get a Kill-A-Watt meter and test the power consumption of LEDs youself. All the ones I've checked have used just about exactly what it says on the package.
They have large heat sinks on the which get very hot. That is wasted energy.
They have heat sinks because the LEDs need to stay very cool to work properly. Incandecent bulbs don't use heat sinks because they need to heat up to thousands of degrees just to get a small fraction of the photons they emit into the visible range. Now which do you think is wasting more energy?
There is no way to pack an efficient transformer into such a small space.
I doubt that any CFL or LED on the market is using a plain 60Hz transformer. They're using switching power supplies, which can be very efficient. That's becuase they crank the frequency up to a range where a small transformer *is* efficient.
Houses need wired seperately with a lower voltage appropriate for powering LED lights.
You'd still need a switching power supply to match the low voltage to the exact needs and wiring pattern of the particular LEDs. That's why most every PC have a separate power supply on the motherboard just inches away from the main power supply to convert 5VDC to whatever the processor needs.
Not to mention the power loss of low-voltage wires. If you put 100W of LED lights (about 6 bulbs) in a room at the end of a 50-foot run at 5V, you'd be pulling 20 amps. If you used 14AWG wire, at 0.25 ohms for the 100 foot round trip, you'd have a 5V voltage drop just from the resistance of the wire. You would also be violating code, which would require you to install a dedicated 12AWG circuit just to power 100W. That's obviously completely unworkable.
In summary, all of your uninformed "gut feel" opinions on these technical issues are unsurprisingly wrong.
In my city, they started campaigning for people to save water. The result? People saved so much water that they ended up having to raise the rates because they weren't making enough to run the water system. The system basically has a fixed cost to run, regardless of how much water goes through it.In the end, we cut our water usage in half (averaged over the city), but we now pay twice as much for our water.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
I have worked in the solid state lighting industry. You typically hear 50,000 hours but there are a few points that must be met to achieve that:: - The LED must not exceed a certain temperature (usually 135C at the die though that can vary a bit between manufacturers) - The LED must not exceed a rated level of current flow - The 50k hours rating allows for a dimming over time of ~20% though again that varies between different manufacturers The most common failure points for LEDs are heat, over driving the LEDs, poor regulation circuits resulting in over current, and using too cheap of components which fail before the full lifetime is met. A lot of claims are made regarding both brightness and longevity that don't hold up, especially if it's an off brand from China. Those will always claim 50k to 100k hours of operation at 100% (or more) of the LEDs full rated light.
For dimming, you might look at the better LED lights as some of them are dimmable - in Europe they are quite common, and if dimmable, explicitly say so.
The Cree brand bulbs I've been buying are pretty terrific and they are nicely dimmable. But i've noticed a problem with the dimming. I presume they dim by doing some sort of PWM to change the duty cycle and thereby result in some dimming... With the Leviton slide dimmers I've been buying, and set to full brightness (slider all the way up) the Cree bulbs have a flicker with a period of about 6 seconds. As in, every 6 seconds, the light will turn off for approximately 50-70ms. I have one circuit that has a couple of sockets. I put a Cree bulb in one socket, and a Phillips bulb in the other socket. At full, the Cree still exhibits the problem while the Phillips does not. However, the Phillips doesn't dim correctly. Whereas the Cree will dim in a nice linear sort of fashion, the Phillips will dim about 20 percent for the first portion of the slider, and then will maintain that brightness until the slider gets sufficiently far down and then the Phillips just turns off...
I have a Sylvania that just doesn't dim at all.
I think that covers all three of the major manufacturers. So far the Cree is the best except for the iritating 'blink' at full brightness... All of my Crees exhibit the same symptom on different dimmer switches throughout the house. If I put two Cree's in two sockets on one dimmer, they both blink, but at slightly different periods.
"We're not there yet".