Very true. But as soon as you try to apply statistical information to individuals, that bias becomes unjustified discrimination.
Truer words were never spoken. This is why I'm against special rules for any group regardless of race, gender, nationality, or any other way you want to segment people. The current policies are two wrongs will somehow make history right.
Especially in a situation like we currently have, where far more blatant historical racism forced most black people in to poverty - which is well known to increase the probability of criminal behavior.
Even accounting for economic status that demographic commits more crime than expected. Plus there is the Asian Privilege issue that remains unaccounted for in the historical bias narrative.
Almost all mass-shootings, in the U.S. are committed white men - and yet, as a white man I don't face automatic suspicion of being a mass shooter. I'm not forced to pay for another man's crimes simply because of the color of my skin. Why should a black man be?
Since you're here I can expect you have some awareness of relative frequency of events. Mass shootings are very rare events. That's what makes them news. To be worried much about mass shootings is to be an idiot who probably also plays the lottery. More traditional murders are far more common, and are committed by a certain demographic far more than their numbers would suggest. That's why nobody worries you are a mass shooter, though if you are known to rant a lot and wear trench coats too much you will find yourself a suspect regardless of your color. Just as someone who gets certain tattoos or dresses like a thug is suspected of misdeeds. This is common sense to be honest, why you call common sense racism is the real question. In any case the likelihood of being a victim of a mass shooting is far lower than simply being murdered and if that retort is the best you have then you should ask yourself why that's the best you can muster.
I would add that Amazon hasn't really dealt with fakes. For anything moderately expensive I stay away from Amazon due to fakes. People in my circle have even gotten fake dog toys. Any health or beauty type products are almost certainly fake and the only way one finds out is when you buy the same product in a retail store and notice that it looks a bit different.
The situation in fictitious media is improving much faster than in reality - but we still have black men being arrested by cops for breaking and entering while entering their own homes in high-end neighborhoods. Being pulled over for driving expensive cars, etc. And of course the news tells a completely different story - a black man killed by cops over what should have been a minor issue, if even that, is almost always a "thug", whereas a white mass-shooter is a "disturbed individual".
I suspect your own country has similar problems, but you'd have to be either very observant, or rude enough to ask a black friend about it directly to really notice.
You yourself are only telling part of the story. Let's confront the elephant in the room - 11% of the people commit ~1/2 the murders. This is not bias - it's what creates bias. At some point own has to own their own reputation instead of blaming others. Black people are mostly murdered by... black people. Racism is not the factor that it's made out to be.
Same for almost anything. Skin colour rarely matters, and given enough more direct data on factors that do matter, skin colour will have no predictive value, so the algorithm will ignore it.
If that were true then it wouldn't matter. However, either by nature or nurture, color matters. If it didn't Asians wouldn't be given penalties and other groups bonuses for college admissions. If we want to argue that race isn't important, and I don't think it is important, then we have to do away with the diversity quest and let it play out.
Don't curtail personal visits. Reduce prison sentencing, get rid of victimless crimes and excessive fines for profit. Jails are only so expensive to run because they're over-crowded with people who shouldn't be locked up in the first place!
I'm a fan of reducing victimless crimes myself. However mostly what I see is more gun laws aimed at making law abiding citizens victimless felons. The reduction in victimless crimes should include greatly reducing gun laws.
Know what would save money? Not locking up almost 1% of your adult population, often for victimless crimes or for being unable to pay excessive fines. Start treating addiction as a disease. If it doesn't pose a danger to yourself or others, it shouldn't be the government's business what you put into your body. If it endangers yourself or others, then you should be committed for treatment, same as any other psych illness. Same goes for criminalization of sex workers (instead of going after pimps or customers). End excessive fines and policing for profit. Require fines to be proportional to income. For someone who's a poor working Joe or Jane, a $500 speeding ticket can be a week's income. For a rich person, it's pocket change, and they can probably take a few hours off of work to fight it as well.
Requiring fines to be proportional to income is a slippery slope, you might want to stay away from that one. Going after pimps also seems like a bad choice on your list. I see you have a rich / poor world view. There's this thing called the middle class. It's shrinking to be sure but you still need to account for it. When the poor get a break because the middle class gets shafting due to some notion that they're rich - that's what breeds anger.
This is all well and good for our generation, but in case you haven't noticed, later-day Millennials and most of Gen-Z are growing up without an ownership mindset. However much this is due to economics and however much is a self-fulfilling prophecy for making the best of a bad economy is debatable, but the fact remains that the trend is *away* from ownership and *toward* services and this will continue until interrupted (no pun intended).
Urban millennials are convincing themselves that Ubering around is better than owning a car, that subscription music services are better than buying purchase rights (let alone buying a CD), Blu-ray collections are composed of only the best-of-the-absolutely-best favorites, and "experiences" like avocado toast flights are still being pushed intra-generationally above things like investing and home ownership.
The perfect serfs, they can't even conceive of ever owning anything. Just work and rent. The 1% really outdid themselves on this generation. Gen Z is even better, they can't even bear to hear alternative viewpoints, they just go with what they're told. The future is looking grim indeed.
I wonder what happens when you try to trap the unwritten morals of a society in amber at one point in time, never to change again (or to change so slowly it's essentially the case). Will that bottle up repression in the people?
That already exists. It's called "Religion". And yes, it does pretty much exactly that.
I get that it's popular to take cheap shots at religion but it actually has changed quite a bit over the years. Some factions have gone so far as to completely drop well established historical teachings and norms in favor of what's trendy this year.
....I am, however, dreadfully pessimistic about the chances of such a treaty coming about under (present) US leadership. We have the most to gain and the most to lose. It would also be a chance to reassert some global leadership against strategic rivals such as China and Russia. But our present executive demonstrates no particular strategic thinking, and I'm sure this kind of topic and its rational solution aren't on his radar.
You were doing so well too. Great post until the end where you lost focus and dropped the ball. If you want to get anything large scale done you have to learn to work with people you actually don't like. This means not insulting them openly. The idea of such a ban is still great and needed, just learn to get along with others.
I like that standard. We'll have just about every career politician officially branded a criminal and removed. How soon can we start? I favor the bipartisan approach where we keep going back and forth - ie one of theirs, one of ours. Keeps the process more honest.
Yes, our investment in reproduction may be lesser than that of the woman whose entire body will be hijacked for nine months, but we still are invested in it, we will still be expected (rightly) to give up the next 18-21 years and a sizable amount of income bringing the kid up.
You grossly underestimate the impact of child support vs the "hijacked body". Also the hijacked body narrative is a negative viewpoint. The positive viewpoint is that they feel the newborn kicking, get an intimacy during feeding, etc. There are positives that get overlooked all too often.
All the effort in the world isn't going to change the fact that women bear the physiological brunt of pregnancy, so they simply cannot "trust" that men have taken such a pill.
I'd take that physiological brunt any day over vs what a man gets - ie pay tons of money for minimal rights and visitation. I'm sure I'm not alone.
A corporate EULA (or some shit like that) stating your warranty is void if you repair your car or whatever other gizmo has broken down on you is not the same thing as law.
No but that doesn't mean that the law has to allow or enable it. I get that attempting a repair and making things worse could reasonably void part of a warranty but only the parts that apply to what was "tampered" with. Unrelated systems should still be covered under warranty.
Not only feel-good nonsense, but it makes a ridiculous generalization about "coders" as if they are some kind of special life form. Do "carpenters" have a primal urge to "kill inefficiency" because they use power tools?
Close. Carpenters have a primal urge to have more tools, thus the need to buy both hand tools and power tools. You can generalize this from carpenters to all woodworkers to most men quite accurately:-)
The Armed forces of the U.S. found ages ago that dedicated military personnel were far more effective and engaged than conscripts.So what you are proposing would make for even worse politicians than we have now! You want better politicians, start participating. There are no shortcuts.
The Armed Forces need lots of training, especially for some roles like pilots or special forces. The Armed Forces don't suffer from the effects of bribes except at the top levels. This is not an apples to apples situation.
So then we'd have a revolving door for programmers instead of politicians. I'm at the point where I think randomly picking people, like jury duty, might be better. That and a heavy handed approach to looking for "new business opportunities" that happen for friends and family for years after being picked for congress to prevent bribes. On the plus side, it would instantly reform campaign finance.
Strategically, do you now abandon those generational alliances because European leaders mock your fearless leader, who is, quite fairly, a rather easy target?.?.?.
Who cares about mocking Trump. Pulling back from Europe makes sense because footing the bill for their defense is just not worth it. Spend the $$ locally in the US and focus on ourselves for a change.
Not least because at the pace economies and negotiations move the rest of the world can just wait for 2020.
The current crop of Democrats doesn't look like they have anything catching traction. When Biden is supposed to be the adult in the room you know they're in trouble. The world may very well have to wait until 2024.
That's why going from 35+% of world GDP down to under 25% of world GDP is in fact a game-changer for the USA. People are more free to ignore you.
The US hasn't had wise leadership for over two decades. It's not surprising that things have declined. The sooner we pull back and let the world go to hell the better. It's not like we're loved for keeping the peace. Let Japan re-arm, let the EU and South Korea figure out how they want to handle it, and move out over a ten year period so they have time to adjust. We have our own things internally to take care of.
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Gas prices have really been rising fast on the West coast, especially in California. That will drive lots of EV sales.
Very true. But as soon as you try to apply statistical information to individuals, that bias becomes unjustified discrimination.
Truer words were never spoken. This is why I'm against special rules for any group regardless of race, gender, nationality, or any other way you want to segment people. The current policies are two wrongs will somehow make history right.
Especially in a situation like we currently have, where far more blatant historical racism forced most black people in to poverty - which is well known to increase the probability of criminal behavior.
Even accounting for economic status that demographic commits more crime than expected. Plus there is the Asian Privilege issue that remains unaccounted for in the historical bias narrative.
Almost all mass-shootings, in the U.S. are committed white men - and yet, as a white man I don't face automatic suspicion of being a mass shooter. I'm not forced to pay for another man's crimes simply because of the color of my skin. Why should a black man be?
Since you're here I can expect you have some awareness of relative frequency of events. Mass shootings are very rare events. That's what makes them news. To be worried much about mass shootings is to be an idiot who probably also plays the lottery. More traditional murders are far more common, and are committed by a certain demographic far more than their numbers would suggest. That's why nobody worries you are a mass shooter, though if you are known to rant a lot and wear trench coats too much you will find yourself a suspect regardless of your color. Just as someone who gets certain tattoos or dresses like a thug is suspected of misdeeds. This is common sense to be honest, why you call common sense racism is the real question. In any case the likelihood of being a victim of a mass shooting is far lower than simply being murdered and if that retort is the best you have then you should ask yourself why that's the best you can muster.
I would add that Amazon hasn't really dealt with fakes. For anything moderately expensive I stay away from Amazon due to fakes. People in my circle have even gotten fake dog toys. Any health or beauty type products are almost certainly fake and the only way one finds out is when you buy the same product in a retail store and notice that it looks a bit different.
The situation in fictitious media is improving much faster than in reality - but we still have black men being arrested by cops for breaking and entering while entering their own homes in high-end neighborhoods. Being pulled over for driving expensive cars, etc. And of course the news tells a completely different story - a black man killed by cops over what should have been a minor issue, if even that, is almost always a "thug", whereas a white mass-shooter is a "disturbed individual".
I suspect your own country has similar problems, but you'd have to be either very observant, or rude enough to ask a black friend about it directly to really notice.
You yourself are only telling part of the story. Let's confront the elephant in the room - 11% of the people commit ~1/2 the murders. This is not bias - it's what creates bias. At some point own has to own their own reputation instead of blaming others. Black people are mostly murdered by ... black people. Racism is not the factor that it's made out to be.
... boring as hell...
No, that would be this one https://www.boringcompany.com/
Same for almost anything. Skin colour rarely matters, and given enough more direct data on factors that do matter, skin colour will have no predictive value, so the algorithm will ignore it.
If that were true then it wouldn't matter. However, either by nature or nurture, color matters. If it didn't Asians wouldn't be given penalties and other groups bonuses for college admissions. If we want to argue that race isn't important, and I don't think it is important, then we have to do away with the diversity quest and let it play out.
Don't curtail personal visits. Reduce prison sentencing, get rid of victimless crimes and excessive fines for profit. Jails are only so expensive to run because they're over-crowded with people who shouldn't be locked up in the first place!
I'm a fan of reducing victimless crimes myself. However mostly what I see is more gun laws aimed at making law abiding citizens victimless felons. The reduction in victimless crimes should include greatly reducing gun laws.
Know what would save money? Not locking up almost 1% of your adult population, often for victimless crimes or for being unable to pay excessive fines. Start treating addiction as a disease. If it doesn't pose a danger to yourself or others, it shouldn't be the government's business what you put into your body. If it endangers yourself or others, then you should be committed for treatment, same as any other psych illness. Same goes for criminalization of sex workers (instead of going after pimps or customers). End excessive fines and policing for profit. Require fines to be proportional to income. For someone who's a poor working Joe or Jane, a $500 speeding ticket can be a week's income. For a rich person, it's pocket change, and they can probably take a few hours off of work to fight it as well.
Requiring fines to be proportional to income is a slippery slope, you might want to stay away from that one. Going after pimps also seems like a bad choice on your list. I see you have a rich / poor world view. There's this thing called the middle class. It's shrinking to be sure but you still need to account for it. When the poor get a break because the middle class gets shafting due to some notion that they're rich - that's what breeds anger.
This is all well and good for our generation, but in case you haven't noticed, later-day Millennials and most of Gen-Z are growing up without an ownership mindset. However much this is due to economics and however much is a self-fulfilling prophecy for making the best of a bad economy is debatable, but the fact remains that the trend is *away* from ownership and *toward* services and this will continue until interrupted (no pun intended).
Urban millennials are convincing themselves that Ubering around is better than owning a car, that subscription music services are better than buying purchase rights (let alone buying a CD), Blu-ray collections are composed of only the best-of-the-absolutely-best favorites, and "experiences" like avocado toast flights are still being pushed intra-generationally above things like investing and home ownership.
The perfect serfs, they can't even conceive of ever owning anything. Just work and rent. The 1% really outdid themselves on this generation. Gen Z is even better, they can't even bear to hear alternative viewpoints, they just go with what they're told. The future is looking grim indeed.
I wonder what happens when you try to trap the unwritten morals of a society in amber at one point in time, never to change again (or to change so slowly it's essentially the case). Will that bottle up repression in the people?
That already exists. It's called "Religion". And yes, it does pretty much exactly that.
I get that it's popular to take cheap shots at religion but it actually has changed quite a bit over the years. Some factions have gone so far as to completely drop well established historical teachings and norms in favor of what's trendy this year.
... urged on by California's ban on non-compete agreements.
Quite possibly the only thing CA got right that it hasn't destroyed.
....I am, however, dreadfully pessimistic about the chances of such a treaty coming about under (present) US leadership. We have the most to gain and the most to lose. It would also be a chance to reassert some global leadership against strategic rivals such as China and Russia. But our present executive demonstrates no particular strategic thinking, and I'm sure this kind of topic and its rational solution aren't on his radar.
You were doing so well too. Great post until the end where you lost focus and dropped the ball. If you want to get anything large scale done you have to learn to work with people you actually don't like. This means not insulting them openly. The idea of such a ban is still great and needed, just learn to get along with others.
YOU TELL A LIE UNDER OATH AND YOU ARE A CRIMINAL.
I like that standard. We'll have just about every career politician officially branded a criminal and removed. How soon can we start? I favor the bipartisan approach where we keep going back and forth - ie one of theirs, one of ours. Keeps the process more honest.
Yes, our investment in reproduction may be lesser than that of the woman whose entire body will be hijacked for nine months, but we still are invested in it, we will still be expected (rightly) to give up the next 18-21 years and a sizable amount of income bringing the kid up.
You grossly underestimate the impact of child support vs the "hijacked body". Also the hijacked body narrative is a negative viewpoint. The positive viewpoint is that they feel the newborn kicking, get an intimacy during feeding, etc. There are positives that get overlooked all too often.
Unsure about Europe but it's definitely a possibility in the US. Here some citations from different states: https://nypost.com/2017/07/23/... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne... https://wgno.com/2016/07/28/co...
All the effort in the world isn't going to change the fact that women bear the physiological brunt of pregnancy, so they simply cannot "trust" that men have taken such a pill.
I'd take that physiological brunt any day over vs what a man gets - ie pay tons of money for minimal rights and visitation. I'm sure I'm not alone.
It's OK, it's the most racist paper anyway. Citation: http://nymag.com/intelligencer...
A corporate EULA (or some shit like that) stating your warranty is void if you repair your car or whatever other gizmo has broken down on you is not the same thing as law.
No but that doesn't mean that the law has to allow or enable it. I get that attempting a repair and making things worse could reasonably void part of a warranty but only the parts that apply to what was "tampered" with. Unrelated systems should still be covered under warranty.
Not only feel-good nonsense, but it makes a ridiculous generalization about "coders" as if they are some kind of special life form. Do "carpenters" have a primal urge to "kill inefficiency" because they use power tools?
Close. Carpenters have a primal urge to have more tools, thus the need to buy both hand tools and power tools. You can generalize this from carpenters to all woodworkers to most men quite accurately :-)
The Armed forces of the U.S. found ages ago that dedicated military personnel were far more effective and engaged than conscripts.So what you are proposing would make for even worse politicians than we have now! You want better politicians, start participating. There are no shortcuts.
The Armed Forces need lots of training, especially for some roles like pilots or special forces. The Armed Forces don't suffer from the effects of bribes except at the top levels. This is not an apples to apples situation.
So then we'd have a revolving door for programmers instead of politicians. I'm at the point where I think randomly picking people, like jury duty, might be better. That and a heavy handed approach to looking for "new business opportunities" that happen for friends and family for years after being picked for congress to prevent bribes. On the plus side, it would instantly reform campaign finance.
Looks like Europe finally found some backbone, because they do not actually _need_ US support for anything.
Sweet, we'll be heading out ASAP then.
Strategically, do you now abandon those generational alliances because European leaders mock your fearless leader, who is, quite fairly, a rather easy target?.?.?.
Who cares about mocking Trump. Pulling back from Europe makes sense because footing the bill for their defense is just not worth it. Spend the $$ locally in the US and focus on ourselves for a change.
Not least because at the pace economies and negotiations move the rest of the world can just wait for 2020.
The current crop of Democrats doesn't look like they have anything catching traction. When Biden is supposed to be the adult in the room you know they're in trouble. The world may very well have to wait until 2024.
That's why going from 35+% of world GDP down to under 25% of world GDP is in fact a game-changer for the USA. People are more free to ignore you.
The US hasn't had wise leadership for over two decades. It's not surprising that things have declined. The sooner we pull back and let the world go to hell the better. It's not like we're loved for keeping the peace. Let Japan re-arm, let the EU and South Korea figure out how they want to handle it, and move out over a ten year period so they have time to adjust. We have our own things internally to take care of.