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DoJ: Law Enforcement Can Impersonate People On Facebook

An anonymous reader sends news that the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency impersonated a young woman on Facebook to communicate with suspected criminals, and the Department of Justice argued that they had the right to do so. The woman was charged with being part of a drug ring and sentenced to probation, after which a DEA agent set up a Facebook page in her name, uploaded images to it (including pictures of her son and niece), and used it without her consent. She recently sued the agent in federal district court, and the government argued that she "implicitly consented by granting access to the information stored in her cell phone and by consenting to the use of that information to aid in an ongoing criminal investigations [sic]." Facebook has now removed the account, and the DoJ is "reviewing" the case.

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  1. disgusting by mpicpp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    why not just take out a po box, credit card and bank account in her name, Wow.

    1. Re:disgusting by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't you just love couch terrorists?

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    2. Re:disgusting by Richy_T · · Score: 4, Funny

      Couch terrorist -> Futon fighter

    3. Re:disgusting by cyberchondriac · · Score: 2

      One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

      That's wrong though. What defines "terrorist" is someone who (keyword)deliberately targets civilians and innocents, primarily to sow fear and terror but also out of just plain blind hate. Conversely, Freedom fighters target the government and it's military they're rebelling against.
      Example, the Rebellion in Star Wars would not be deemed terrorists because they only attacked Empire military installations or craft. The American soldiers in the Revolutionary War, the same; they may have resorted to some guerrilla warfare type tactics, but against British soldiers; they didn't sail off to Great Britain and start planting bombs in random horse carriages to blow up the civilians.

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    4. Re:disgusting by dryeo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You should really look into how the loyalists were treated in the American war of separation. Remember that the loyalists were as much citizens of the colonies as any other white person and that while no polls were done, the usual breakdown in those situations is about 1/3rd for, 1/3rd against and 1/3rd indifferent which is why revolutionaries never act democratically (they're as likely to lose as win), at least until they've thoroughly terrorized the opposition.
      Also consider some of the revolutionaries names that have come into common usage such as Lynch.
      As usual the winners write the history to make themselves look good.
      Other examples include the American trained freedom fighters in Central and South America and Vietnam where standard procedure included destroying villages to save them and so much more horrible shit in the name of fighting for freedom. The same shit is still going on but the American military has learned to control the press which is why when peoples go nuts after having their family killed, we can pretend they're just nutcases.

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    5. Re:disgusting by N1AK · · Score: 2

      The American soldiers in the Revolutionary War, the same; they may have resorted to some guerrilla warfare type tactics, but against British soldiers

      Learn a little history before lecturing people on it. There were plenty of appaling crimes against laoyalists by patriots during the revolutionary war. It's naive to think that the biggest difference between terrorist and freedom fighter can be found in semantics. Hell the US support of the Taliban followed by all out war against them should make a mockery of any attempt to pretend the labels are anything more than political these days.

    6. Re:disgusting by Calydor · · Score: 2

      Wasn't there a case not that long ago where a judge allowed a summons to be sent through Facebook because that was the only way of reaching someone? Combine that with this and you have a rather scary scenario.

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  2. Copyright Infringment by nbritton · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sounds like she has a solid case for copyright infringment.

    1. Re:Copyright Infringment by techno-vampire · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Better yet: Identity Theft.

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    2. Re:Copyright Infringment by nctritech · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Exactly. This is textbook identity theft. Law enforcement does not obtain any rights to use someone's cell phone photos or identity outside of the actual prosecutorial process just because that person is being or was successfully prosecuted. The fact that the DOJ argues this is totally okay reflects how absurdly fucked up the US government is.

    3. Re:Copyright Infringment by Yakasha · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Better yet: Identity Theft.

      Better yet: two counts of wire fraud and 11 violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, carrying a cumulative maximum penalty of $1 million in fines, 35 years in prison, asset forfeiture, restitution and supervised release.

      I think the agent in question & his bosses all hanging themselves in their bedroom would be acceptable to me as well.

    4. Re: Copyright Infringment by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Informative

      You fucking dumbass.

      The only difference between Obama and Bush is that the former is a better public speaker.

      To the dismay of comedians everywhere.

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  3. How is this not identity theft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am fairly certain I would be in jail if I committed the same crime.

  4. mental gymnastics by Iamthecheese · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The US government constantly abuses the law by ignoring it until a test case comes up and a judge says a particular method is illegal. The real harm is the creeping loss of rights as abuses become normalized by the time they make it to trial leading to more lenient judgements over time as judges try to match interpretation to "society's standards".

    I urge you to write your congress-critter today and tell him or her that the constitution is too important to ignore in the name of safety and that "hard on crime" is an insult to your intelligence.

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    1. Re:mental gymnastics by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think what's really happened is that we've allowed government to convince us that "hard on crime" is only valid when the crime is committed by someone with a disreputable history who isn't connected to the government.

      I think if the same "hard on crime" rules were applied to government employees, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

    2. Re:mental gymnastics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      We also wouldn't have a government.

    3. Re:mental gymnastics by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, isn't amazing that when government agents do something illegal, the courts say "stop doing that". But when private citizens do something illegal, even if it took 200 rounds of appeal because even judges couldn't decide if it was illegal, the citizen is held fully culpable.

    4. Re:mental gymnastics by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      If you think that writing congress critters, who have a revolving door between the halls of power and the corps getting mad bank to invent and provide the tools to do this shit, is gonna get anything but a trite mealy mouthed "fuck off" letter ala what you get from the petition the government website? Then I have a bridge to nowhere you might be interested in.

      Trying to do anything at this point is like trying to put out a building fire with a water bucket when more than half of it is ablaze, the simple fact is congress is just a stepping stone to get the cushy lobbyist job where they can bribe and live fat so they really don't have to give a rat's ass what YOU think, because even if you managed to kick them out they would just get rewarded for their ring kissing with a fat job and mad money. All you can do now is get every single penny you can out of the system and wait for the financial bubble to burst which will cause a crash that makes 1929 look like a flash crash.

      Now when THAT day comes and the government can't buy any more voters, when the government checks are as worthless as 20 year old gubment cheese, and they can't get a single government to give them a single penny for a stack of dollar bills? Then and ONLY THEN can you actually change the system and hopefully replace it with a better one. But any attempts now, with a system so rotten from decades of rampant corruption, regulatory capture, and the selling out of the country to the 1% is doomed to failure because you are attempting to win a crooked game, it would be like saying if you work REAL hard then you can win your money back from that guy with the three card monty table on the corner...you can't, the game is rigged, those that do the rigging make the rules and can change them at any time.

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    5. Re:mental gymnastics by Richy_T · · Score: 2

      So, dwarfs?

  5. Land of the Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    LOL! What a farce this shithole called USA has become.

    1. Re:Land of the Free by laie_techie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They've been doing this for years to catch child molester pervs. This is nothing new and is completely legal.

      Have they been using the identity of real people to catch pervs? While I want the pervs off the streets, I'm not ok with them using someone's identity without that person's explicit permission.

    2. Re:Land of the Free by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

      and actually, this is the same thing as the FBI pretending to be a terrorist cell and using information fed from informants, or the vice squad using a confiscated phone to set up drops. Definitely nothing new, been contested in court over and over again, and at this point seems to mostly have been accepted as "infringing, but legal by exception" which is, of course, not legal when you look at it too closely, but legal as far as case law goes.

    3. Re:Land of the Free by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

      The biggest, scariest shithole is Facebook.

      It's in a country near you.

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    4. Re:Land of the Free by Mr.CRC · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is something very wrong with the moral compass of a society that accepts the premise of luring people to commit crimes so they may be prosecuted while we cheer.

      People who are on the verge of misdeeds, and where this is known to authorities, should be given warnings to change course lest they commit an act that warrants their removal from society.

      Then it should be made a crime to entice people to cross the line.

  6. Yet again government agency abuses privacy by sentiblue · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So this is exactly why Apple would encrypt their entire phone and did not leave a way for them to decrypt their own devices... so that they can avoid situations like this...

    Just because a dude works for the DOJ... that doesn't give him the right to invade and abuse the person's privacy... regardless if he/she is a criminal or not... Just because he was authorized to view the contents of her phone, it doesn't mean he can freely use it out in the open any way he wants....

    And it makes me laugh so hard that now the DOJ is saying they have the right to do it... that's just plain ignorant...

  7. And it could be worse. by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What happens if the fake account pisses off some criminal (specifically targeted by the FBI) who then kidnaps/kills her son or niece (who are featured on that fake page)?

    Someone needs to be fired over this.

    1. Re:And it could be worse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fired??? I would say jail time.

      Nathan

    2. Re:And it could be worse. by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Court mandated identity theft. Too cruel or too unusual?

    3. Re:And it could be worse. by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even if not, the child has a right to privacy. As a minor, the decision of what pictures of the child may be posted online falls to the parent or guardian. The DOJ is neither.

    4. Re:And it could be worse. by alex67500 · · Score: 2

      The DOJ is a guardian to all Americans Sir!

    5. Re:And it could be worse. by idontgno · · Score: 2

      The government says it's not cruel. And they intend to make it not particularly unusual.

      Passes Constitutional muster to me! <rubberstamp>

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  8. Insane by Dereck1701 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are they insane? Wasn't there a run on creating laws in many states just to stop high school students from making fake facebook pages to harass? This act not only could result in job loss, public humiliation, harassment & other life changing events but in threats and even death if an angry drug dealer/user came after her. This officer even misused private information collected for the limited purposes of serving as evidence in a trial. This officer and anyone associated with this heinous act should be charged with identity theft, property theft, libel, unauthorized access to a computer system (remember violating a TOS is now considered to be a crime) and fraud.

    1. Re:Insane by ShaunC · · Score: 5, Informative

      You think a fake Facebook account is bad, how about having a cop take over your ID and use it to become a stripper! In 2003, Ohio law enforcement agents "appropriated" a woman's drivers license and SSN, and assigned them to an undercover officer who went to work as a stripper for 3 months as part of a sting operation on strip clubs. And the victim in that case hadn't been arrested for (nor consented to) a damn thing.

      Pointing to a 2002 change in Ohio's law aimed at fighting identity theft, [the prosecutor] said police are allowed to assume anyone's identity as long as it's part of an investigation.

      Fucking outrageous. Law enforcement in the US is out of control and has been so for quite some time.

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  9. Put cryptography everywhere by DigitAl56K · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stuff like this is exactly why strong cryptographic solutions should be woven into the fabric of the internet ASAP (e.g. content signing in this case). Agencies globally have become extremely abusive - spying, manipulating, defrauding,denying - and work against the basic infrastructure elements that would prevent this at every turn. They really bring it on themselves with crap like this.

  10. Facebook jumps the shark by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    although i know i cannot totally erase my FB account, i have done what i know how to do. fini.

  11. copyright infringement... use CFAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    To hell with copyright infringement and her unauthorized use... what about facebook's rights?

    The agent in question almost certainly engaged in unauthorized access to facebook servers, in excess of his granted, authenticated authority, while impersonating another user -- on a protected, commerce impacting system (there's ads on those servers). Including hosts with financial impacts crossing state boundaries. Whereas

    That is to say -- the agent knowingly broke 8 U.S.C. 1030.

    The process of getting the report, following up, revoking access, and reputational harm alone easily exceeds $5,000. C'mon facebook... bring charges to bear. The least you can do is demand that if the DEA impersonates a user, they do it through YOUR authorized processes, or get a damned court order for it.

    US v Morris alone is enough to get this happening on "federal interest" computers. Given facebook's a CIA front... well...enough said.

    They failed on all counts. Think of the precedent it sets if you don't go after them... you've failed to protect your ad revenue.

  12. And her child? by Required+Snark · · Score: 4, Insightful
    So the DOJ also involved her child by posting his picture? As part of a drug investigation?

    She should also be suing them on behalf of her child for endangerment. In drug transactions family members can be targets of violence. The DOJ was putting a minor in harms way.

    That would go really well for the DOJ in court. I would love to be in the courtroom and watch some lawyer from the DOJ defend a practice that puts a child at risk. I'm sure that the jury would hear that testimony and decide there and then that the DOJ should loose the case very painfully.

    Also, aren't their laws pertaining to the use of images of minors without parental consent? Even if the image was obtained legally (not likely in this case). Sounds like a potential criminal case to me. Of course, considering it's the DOJ, they could have used the image in a pedophilia sting and nothing would happen.

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  13. This is crime in many states by laughingskeptic · · Score: 4, Informative

    Louisiana: http://www.criminaldefenselawy... Unfortunately in New York http://www.criminaldefenselawy... the intent must be criminal.

  14. Re:No, not "the same" (Re:Land of the Free) by Mr.CRC · · Score: 3, Funny

    But by no means have we reached the global minimum!

  15. Re:facebook facebook facebook... by Mr.CRC · · Score: 2

    Then you'll get arrested, they will demand your Facebook password, then lock you up indefinitely when you can't produce it.

    Or if they can't do that now, they will eventually. Basically where we're headed folks is, the government can do anything it wants to you, any time.

    This simply follows from asking the government to do everything for you.

  16. Or... by Tyr07 · · Score: 2

    She actually agreed to help them, setup the page and got the information. They found the people involved to be potentially dangerous to her so they're covering it up by looking like they did it without her permission publicly so no one goes after her..