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Texas Ebola Patient Dies
BarbaraHudson writes Thomas Duncan, the ebola patient being treated in Texas, has died. "It is with profound sadness and heartfelt disappointment that we must inform you of the death of Thomas Eric Duncan this morning at 7:51 am," hospital spokesman Wendell Watson said in an emailed statement. If he had survived, he could have faced criminal charges in both the US and Liberia for saying on an airport screening questionnaire that he had had no contact with an Ebola patient. UPDATE: Reports of a possible second Ebola victim in Texas are coming in. From the article: "The patient was identified as Sgt. Michael Monning, a deputy who accompanied county health officials Zachary Thompson and Christopher Perkins into the apartment where Thomas Eric Duncan stayed in Dallas. The deputy was ordered to go inside the unit with officials to get a quarantine order signed. No one who went inside the unit that day wore protective gear."
The conservatives seem to want to turtle and ban all travel from those nations ... which would, of course, be a death knell for any aide workers traveling there to help out. They seem to think that will prevent it from spreading when, in fact, that's just increasing the odds that ebola spreads more rapidly inside Africa and ensures that it becomes a global catastrophe. But that's pretty typical of conservative ideals. I'm still waiting on those 'trickle down' economics to get to me.
Some of the conservatives in the South are real dirtbags. It's really quite ridiculous.
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Whether he lied or not, some accounts say that he believed the woman he aided had malaria, not Ebola. And the woman's family themselves may have lied to the people aiding them.
Ultimately, the biggest breakdown occured with the hospital, which was told twice that he had just traveled from Liberia on the first visit, and has since admitted this information was available to all providers. This has caused the tilt to the other extreme, with even the most innocuous cases of fever, adominal distress, and similar, with no travel or other history that would point to Ebola, being handled as such "out of an abundance of caution".
Keep in mind that viral hemorrhagic fevers (VHFs) are nothing new in the US. what happens in the United States with other fatal VHFs, that, like Ebola, are only spread via direct contact with bodily fluids and can be easily addressed in first world nations:
Hanta: http://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/...
Marburg: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/previe...
Lassa: http://www.cdc.gov/media/relea...
Hanta is especially on point, as the US typically has dozens of cases -- and dozens of deaths -- each year, all of which are rapidly contained. The cases of "imported" VHFs, like has occurred with Marburg and Lassa, result in identification, isolation, and either the recovery or death of that person -- and that's the end of it.
Also, Ebola is NOT airborne. Ebola researchers will AT MOST say things like:
Peters, whose CDC team studied cases from 27 households that emerged during a 1995 Ebola outbreak in Democratic Republic of Congo, said that while most could be attributed to contact with infected late-stage patients or their bodily fluids, "some" infections may have occurred via "aerosol transmission."
"Those monkeys were dying in a pattern that was certainly suggestive of coughing and sneezing â" some sort of aerosol movement."
"May". "Suggestive". "Some sort".
Even if we change all of these statements to absolute certainty, it still does not translate to, "Ebola is airborne," in the meaning of "airborne" in the context of disease transmission.
Airborne transmission occurs when a droplet nuclei containing a virus (or bacteria) is small enough (10 μm) occurs when droplets of saliva or mucous (or even blood) containing the virus are projected during a sneeze or cough and and projected directly onto someone's eyes, mouth, or mucous membranes. This kind of transmission is usually within 3', and is NOT considered "airborne" transmission.
"Droplet" transmission can certainly occur with Ebola -- or any disease that spreads via bodily fluids and is present in saliva or mucous. VHFs are not airborne diseases, and a study of one strain where monkeys in adjacent cages sneezed on each other and passed the disease does not make it "airborne".
Being able to get something from having someone sneeze or cough droplets onto you and airborne transmission are very different things.
The quickest way to have a threat of possible airborne transmission of Ebola via mutation would be to not aid Africa in this fight, and let Africa fend for itself, creating an environment where the cases could skyrocket into the millions (due to Africa's infrastructure and inability to deal with the onslaught), thereby increasing the statistical likelihood of the feared airborne mutation -- which, if a foothold were to be gotten in the West as an airborne disease, would truly be a catastrophe worthy of fear and panic.
In reading much of the news coverage, online commentary, and this thread, this article struck me as very relevant:
http://www.nationaljournal
but we don't want to restrict immigration, I am right?
I have very little sympathy for a man that lied on a form and endangered the health and lives of many, many people. Hopefully no one else turns up infected and the threat he posed is over.
Did he turn into a zombie?
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
First!
I'm not going to touch this one.
it wiil be among sse. The number roots and gets on
It's going to turn into a racist issue and/or a malpractice suit.
...when trying to use the carat symbol. Fix here:
Airborne transmission occurs when an droplet nuclei containing a virus (or bacteria) is small enough (under 5 um) to travel on dust particles, and can invisibly hang in the air or travel on air currents in large spaces long after someone has sneezed or coughed, and travel great distances, and can infect when breathed in.
There is NO EVIDENCE that Ebola is, or has been, spread in this way. In fact, the evidence is that Ebola is almost exclusively spread via direct contact with bodily fluids.
Droplet transmission (over 10 um) occurs when droplets of saliva or mucous (or even blood) containing the virus are projected during a sneeze or cough and and projected directly onto someone's eyes, mouth, or mucous membranes. This kind of transmission is usually within 3', and is NOT considered "airborne" transmission.
"Droplet" transmission can certainly occur with Ebola -- or any disease that spreads via bodily fluids and is present in saliva or mucous. VHFs are not airborne diseases, and a study of one strain where monkeys in adjacent cages sneezed on each other and passed the disease does not make it "airborne".
Being able to get something from having someone sneeze or cough droplets onto you and airborne transmission are very different things.
M-O-O-N ... That spells Ebola!
. . . what about the patient with Ebola, who came to the US from Africa . . . and didn't go to the hospital . . . ?
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
This isn't your garden variety "easily preventable" lethal disease like the various causes of meningitis. This is a virus that will kill an otherwise completely healthy adult in two weeks with a greater-than-50% chance--even with the best care medical science can provide.
They would have eliminated the CDC entirely since the CDC was not a defense contractor making guns, planes or battleships. They are like the EPA or the FDA, useless.
So, next time a disease comes to the USA, it *will* create a pandemic because budget cuts will have gotten rid of anything deemed "big government" because big gov't == BAD.
On the bright side however, those rich people will be so rich from having their taxes eliminated entirely that the Koch Brothers will be able to fly off somewhere where the disease can't reach them.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
abolish the CIA
Frist post?
Another person has been quarantined who had contact w/ Duncan and is now showing possible signs of infection.
But hey, one day Obama tells us not to worry - its all under control. Then another day says its a national emergency.
Not to be morbid, but how are they handling the body? This is a very serious question since the recently dead body is actually highly infectious (most infectious stage?). IMHO, the sensible thing to do is to have a policy of zipping up all these bodies, boxing them up in wood, and cremating them. Obviously this stands in the way of some traditions; but the public health is more important. I certainly hope they aren't going to release the body to just any old mortuary that would put it out for viewing. This is a problem that is making the disease spread so rapidly in Africa.
I haven't seen any articles yet that answer this questions. It's the FIRST question that came to my mind when I heard we had a body.
First to say Sorry
It looks like there may be another Texas ebola case.
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If you ain't white you ain't right. Learned early that if you want to make it in Texas you gots to be white. We don't want no ebolas coming here not in the first place.
Ebola went airborne in a US lab back in 1989. Monkeys in a lab became infected with ebola, then monkeys in a separate lab connected only by the ventilation system also became infected: http://www.naturalnews.com/046962_ebola_airborne_transmission_virus_mutation.html
The CDC was literally created by 'Those rich people will be so rich from having their taxes eliminated entirely that the Koch Brothers will be able to fly off somewhere where the disease can't reach them.'
Look it up, the CDC was formally the Rockefeller center for disease control. The CDC has been and always will be an agency used by the CIA to push their global depopulation agendas. (aka the Rockefeller, Rothschild's, ted turners)
'Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure, one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it. From David Rockefeller Memoirs
Now accept that You've been mind controlled so hard that you praise your slave owners. Typical of someone who has been mind controlled. Not only that but you have no ideas the origins of anything and simply accept what your slave controller's networks tell you to think, and I quote:
'We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a World Government.The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries - From David Rockefeller’s Memoir"
Once you realize the entire system has been manipulated by "rich people" for a depopulation control and a total enslavement agenda, it becomes crystal clear: This ebola shit is another psy-op brought to you by the CIA / Rockerfeller controlled CDC.
captcha: hushed
Who is next? With an Obozo on the job, it won't be long....
why did they kill the dog.
Assessing things in a rational way is just sooo 20th century (or may 19th even). These days people want to have their lowest instincts confirmed and will pick everything that does the trick and then will stop looking. The 21th century will be the century of believing. Of course being rational would be the only way out of the mess we have created but since we created this mess by being not rational I doubt very much we will change now.
Now, Ebola. Ebola is more like HIV than the flu when it comes to catching it. There was a recent study that showed that even living in the same household as an Ebola patient only lead to infections if there was physical contact. It's basically a matter of having bodily fluids coming into contact with broken skin or mucous membranes (eyes, mouth etc.).
I say put his cadaver into the stockade... That'll teach him
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Probably the biggest concern is the possibility of a mutation occurring that would allow the virus to go airborne.
Were that to happen, you are then looking at every SciFi/Fantasy end-of-days horror movie fan's highlight reel. The Stand meets Outbreak with a dash of The Walking Dead minus the zombies. The government bombing population centers in a vain attempt to contain th...
No, wait that's what CNN wants you to believe to drive click traffic and Geico commercial video pre-rolls.
Disinfectant hand washing and passenger screening will stop this. But that doesn't boost web traffic CPM, so let's sell the worst case scenarios. It's crucially important for everyone in the sound of my voice to believe we're all going to die from a horrible wasting hemorrhagic fever, melting like the wax nazis at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Give us dirty laundry.
THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK.
Republicans want for all of us. That is why they are flooding the streets with people from the infected areas. Do you really think this guy afforded his own expensive airplane ticket, or do you think one of those Republicans forced him at gun point to board the plane? We all know what happened. This is the way of their kind. Just as they forced Obama to send Ebola patients to the CDC in Atlanta, they are now forcing individuals to come to the US. Yesterday the local paper her in Seattle talked about how we here are being forced to accept those Republican Ebola patients. They are endangering everyone here. They hate us.
OK I am not a expert on viruses. But I have a couple of common sense responses that seem plausible in reducing the spread of Ebola. One, is a strict restriction on anyone from the primary areas affected by Ebola traveling. That is the first response of any out break is containment. Why restrict travel? Because people lie on those forms asking about illness and contacts. This man in Dallas who died knew he had a good chance of contracting it. He had been close to a Ebola person who was ill and died. He knew he had to go somewhere that would treat him better. Sorry bleeding hearts but this is a serious and contagious virus that requires isolation. Send help that volunteers to Africa, but stop thinking every American is willing to die because we don't want to isolate. The President is responsible to protect the people of America. Not be worried about offending or rejecting people who could potentially infect our people with a deadly virus. Bring help to them all your want but contain the spread. Its not a racial thing or anything like that. Its about self preservation and reducing risk. Its common sense which some in the US have little to use. The other question that bothers me is how contagious is it? Some do confirm only direct bodily fluid contact. But some now wonder how long can this virus live outside a body? Also what is its mutation abilities. Could it have become more resilient? Is that why we have seen such a large out break? This is even more of a reason to side on caution and contain.
Someone should do a FOIA request on the amount of money that was spent at the hospital and for cleanup... I assume the public taxpayer is footing the bill, we should be able to know how much one patient costs. Then we can compare that to the cost of keeping our borders open to vs. restricting some "tourist" visas.
Stand by... We now have a report of a third, no wait, four, five six, Oh my god! It's a bus load!
at least its clear now what the FEMA black coffins are for.
The selfishness bringing this terrible disease to your county... immoral fucking asshole
Look a "chupacabras" !
I wonder what the govts has in mind now that this "crisis" appears.
PS123:
"I see what are you trying to do.."
"I See What You’re Trying To Do, But It’s Not Working"
"I see what you trying to do, that's not even kinda new"
Wait, the best part of this sad and frightening story of Ebola in Texas is that the second Ebola patient was one of the sheriff's deputies who was the first to enter the house of the first patient. When offered protective gear, he declined, and entered the man's apartment without gloves, or even a facemask. Being Texas, he probably had his gun drawn, figuring that if he saw any Ebola he'd just shoot that sumbitch.
The over/under on when Texas goes full Walking Dead is now Thanksgiving. If there's one place that's not going to do will in an Ebola outbreak, it's a state where no goddamn government scientist is gonna tell me I gotta wear a facemask. Plus, post-Darwin biology is not really their strong suit, so it's doubtful they even believe there's such a thing as a "virus". I'm betting the churches and gun shops are gonna be doing big business in the coming weeks. Well, they're already doing big business, but you know what I mean.
I understand that (and I'm not joking) that in the past days Alex Jones has been talking about home remedies for Ebola that the government doesn't want you to know about.
You are welcome on my lawn.
I was watching RT News yesterday, and the news anchor was having a talking head session with a couple of 'experts,' one of whom stated that when Duncan first tried to enter a Dallas hospital, the staff who initially questioned him told him to leave, sending him out, apparently not wanting to deal with an Ebola case. Such action could be a critical factor in delaying his treatment. If such allegation is true, the hospital is potentially in deep doo-doo. I'm sure the ambulance chasers would be heavily salivating.
Yes, it's true that Ebola is not airborne yet, but the health workers in Spain, this new case in Texas, it's not entirely certain that they had direct contact. I've been wondering if this strain is possibly semi-airborne, or severely adept at surviving and infecting via microscopic airborne fluid, like someone was saying with the 3' transmission via sneezing and such. I'm definitely no healthcare worker, so I don't know how this compares with other similar diseases.
And yes, there are tons of diseases and other causes of death that kill far, far more than Ebola has yet. The scary part is the mortality rate and what happens when it hits areas without top-notch medical care. Nigeria managed to clamp it down after losing like 20 people, so that's promising. I was just reading how this is largely due to their current polio eradication teams--they were very much ready and used to stopping outbreaks in their tracks.
I personally am more worried about what happens many months down the line when it's not just a single case in each Western country but hitting all over the world and incubating in various places with very dense populations and inadequate healthcare. Or for example, the homeless guy they were trying to track down in Dallas. There are many ways this could slip by in the states without getting caught early. Having to quarantine an entire care clinic because somebody sent in an unprotected deputy is worrying. And, like many are saying, the longer this goes on, the greater the chances are of it mutating into something most definitely airborne.
Also, the official stats for cases in Liberia and New Guinea are almost certainly underreported by a factor of 2.5, and that might be conservative. Only officially tested and verified cases are counted, and this is in a country with almost no healthcare, where quite a large proportion of the healthcare workers have already died of Ebola.
What happens if someone did in fact make it to the Hajj while infected? Or an Indian religious festival? Or the Carnival in Brazil? The longer it takes for the world to clamp down and solve West Africa's crisis, the more likely this becomes. And I use those examples because people are milling about in the hundreds of thousands, millions even, not just doing their normal home/work routine. The transmission potential is orders of magnitude greater, especially if it's not just strictly limited to direct bodily fluid contact.
So I'm very glad to see the US and UK sending in the military to build hospitals and such, but still, more healthcare workers are needed. Cuba has done this, which is very awesome of them. Sending in the military means ordering troops, rather than finding volunteers. And in the US' case, all of the soldiers who will be testing are trained for biological warfare, and thus are well-trained and equipped with hazmat suits.
Like the days of the old west. Seriously, getting a quarantine document signed and they are not protected? That's brilliant and none of the three who went in thought it was a good idea?
And how is it that we keep getting told it's not a public safety thing because it has to be body fluid contact yet here we are with cases showing up where it's looking like air born xmission is occurring? If this gets into the K-12 school systems we could see a population trimming.
Don't travel hundreds of miles from home village.
Don't wash deceased corpse.
Don't contaminate water supply with Ebola.
Don't drink the contaminated water.
Don't return back to home village and spread the contagion.
RT isn't a particularly credible source. The general idea has been reported elsewhere, but there's no official explanation yet.
Dat's still racist.
There. Problem solved. Lean Forward, motherfucker.
A lot of people seem to be getting it with minimal contact with those infected. How is this difficult to become infected with again? I don't know that we're being told all the details or truths of it.
Dallas is a major, cosmopolitan, city with one of the world's busiest international airports. It is inevitable that at some point someone with a life-threatening and contagious disease will come to such a city. I'm sure it has happened before and that it will again.
I'm not a medical professional, but to my untutored eye the preparedness of Dallas' medical professionals is tragically lacking. It seems the original patient's first contact with the medical system was mishandled, the family were reportedly treated badly and now a sheriff's deputy has contracted the disease.
It's not enough to just offer the guy gloves, he needed good advice and someone to ensure he followed it (I'll bet he got neither).
If Dallas' medical profession is going to conduct itself in this way, then maybe African airports should consider closing to mitigate the risk of contagion from Dallas
Nullius in verba
All the internet Einsteins said, as with the government's statement, Ebola simply couldn't reach America. Then, that even when it reached America, we had the means to keep it spreading to anyone, because the only way to get it is to basically give a victim a blowjob and swallow at the end, because it's very difficult to contract and those filthy heathens that aren't in America only spread the disease, because they liked to drink and bathe in the bathwater of dead Ebola victims and that every precaution anyone might suggest in this country was just the result of ignorant fear-mongering. Are you telling me all of these junior-college keyboard-geniuses are *gasp* possibly wrong?
Thank goodness it was only a cop that contracted Ebola.
You're being hysterical.
I agree that we should get more serious about tracking travelers from infected regions and enforcing quarantines. The answer isn't to invent a nonexistent pattern of official misinformation and then switch into pitchfork and torch mode.
WHAT? Egyptian mosquitos are spreading yellow dengue fever plague?? Oh those fucking Muslim bastards! Fire up the trebuchets! It's time for another Crusade!
GOD WILLS IT!
You are playing the "Technically Correct" card. This is why people don't believe scientists and doctors. You say it doesn't transmit via air but then go on to say don't let someone cough on you lest you breathe it in or get it in your eyes. While you are technically correct that it isn't airborne per your definition, it will transmit via air in all realistic uses of the word. Stop being pedantic about terms just so you can claim victory in your rightness. It doesn't help, Sheldon!
So imagine you're an ISIS terrorist train to be a suicide bomber and somehow, I can't imagine how but bear with me, somehow you manage to get to Washington D.C.
Now imagine that you see all this brouhaha about Ebola on the tube -- you know, people panicking for no reason and all that -- and you get this crazy idea that maybe rather than splattering your body all over one Metro subway station you'd kill a lot more infidels by catching Ebola, waiting for the first symptoms to show up which look like the flu, and then spend the day making like Divine in Pink Flamingos and leaving your bodily fluids on surfaces in all of the subway cars.
Seastead this.
Thank you Ebola-Chan!
The 1918 flu
Sigh, you do know the 50,000 dead is not from 1918 right, it's from recent years right?
You also know that in 1918, medical facilities weren't as common as they were today?
You also know that in 1918 there was no such thing as sick leave?
You do know it's not 1918 and the 1918 flu has no bearing on the discussion?
the 1918 was determined to be an H1N1 variant,
Which we had an outbreak of recently, there weren't that many casualties... Possibly because of the differences I alluded to above.
The statistic being bandied about that flu kills 50,000 in the US is from today, not 1918. It is taken from the millions of cases across all the strains of influenza active today. In 1918 workers pretty much had no choice but to come into work and infect others, they couldn't take time off to get better, they didn't have access to modern medical facilities, anti-biotics and anti-virals hadn't been invented yet. Finally, even the worst flu epidemics had nowhere near the fatality rates of Ebola.
The young and apparently healthy group of fatalities was actually larger than the old, sick or 'messed up before they got it' group
if you did your research on the 1918 epidemic you'd know that the reason for this reversal was in fact, a little war you may of heard of known affectionately as the first world war. One of the major causes of this was the fact that soldiers infected with a mild strain were kept in the field. and those with a serious infection were loaded onto trains and taken to crowded field hospitals where re-infection was rife and the deadlier strains were traded amongst the infected.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
People with Malaria DO NOT die bleeding from their eyes, ears, nose, mouth, anus and urethra. The woman he helped move was NOT the only person in his neighborhood with the disease. Un-noticed by most Americans, tens of thousands of people have been flooding into the US from thse parts of Africa in recent years as people flee the tribal wars and the recurring waves of Ebola. The "escape to America" theme is well-established.
Everybody in the Ebola-ravaged areas of Africa KNOW this.
The man KNEW he had been exposed, quickly quit his job and fled to America where everybody on Earth who was paying attention knew a couple of Americans had just been cured with a new "miracle drug". He did not fly direct across the Atlantic from the "Hot Zone" to Texas (such flights exist), rather he bought a flight to Belgium (WAY out of the way) and then to the US (probably to avoid extra scrutiny he probably presumed the US was applying to flights originating in the Ebola-infected areas, since any SANE government would be doing at least that minimal level of defense for its population).
For decades, the US Federal Government has labelled Ebola as one of the most dangerous diseases known to man. It has labelled the disease a "biosafety hazard level 4" (which means wear full-body protection with air supply and work in a negative pressure lab to keep the stuff from getting loose). It has long advised the aviation industry that aircrew should avoid "close contact" with any passenger who might be contaminated, and many are using that language today BUT if you actually READ the decuments they provide to the aviation industry, the "fine print" defines "close contact" as: being within 3 feet.
Suddenly, in 2014, we are being told there is nothing to worry about..... "it's VERY hard to catch"......"it's a VERY weak virus"
When you ask how four very highly-trained physicians in full protective garb and one news photographer all caught it while trying VERY hard to avoid it.... [insert cricket sounds]
When elite policy makers, academics, and politicians are asked about quaranteens and flight restrictions, they stop talking about their ACTUAL JOBS (protecting the American people) and start spouting political theories about political instabilities in Africa that might develop if we try to keep the disease contained "over there".
Something is HIGHLY amiss here, but I leave it to people who wrap their heads in foil to hyper-speculate on what's really going on (that's what happens whenever the political elite lie their butts off on some subject, and one reason we as a society should always severely punish political leaders who lie to the public).
Nice fantasy casting yourself as the lone hero - but even though it's a common fantasy and it's not your fault Hollywood has brainwashed you it's fucking selfish.
When disasters hit the job of a citizen is to get off their arse and prevent their neighbours from dying AS PART of keeping that little cutie safe - in fact you can't keep that cutie safe unless someone is working to make sure that there is food and water getting in for her. It means precautions, protective gear and being co-ordinated by whatever bunch can accumulate a clue, but you shouldn't expect to get through a disaster by sitting on your arse and waiting for a food delivery when you are capable of doing something to help when everyone is overwhelmed.
You don't have to be a Doctor to be a hero. The people that got phones and Wifi going in Haiti after the disaster there were also heroes that saved lives because the doctors etc knew where they were needed and others could find out where to send food and clean water. In a quarantine situation where you can't get close to the people who drop off the food it would be just as important.
He didn't "flee" to America to get treatment.
He didn't even want to go back to the hospital the second time. His "stepdaughter" called 911 against his wishes.
And before he died, he told the woman he was going to marry that his greatest regret was exposing her, and had he known, he would have stayed back in Liberia instead of possibly bringing it to her.
So, are you saying that his resistance to even going to the hospital was all part of a ruse to hide the fact that he secretly knew he had Ebola, and was just "playing coy" but secretly wanted what he believed was going to be a miracle cure?
The only reason that fucking liars like you believe this shit is because you want a travel ban, which would be the ABSOLUTE WORST thing we could do. So fuck off.
So without any further details, here's how I imagine it went down.
"Oh crap, there's an ebola outbreak and my family is affected! I better fly out there immediately and touch bodily fluids."
Definitely Darwin Award winner here, folks. Plus, lying about it to fly back to the US and putting the entire country at risk should be an executable offense.
If the Internet has thought me anything, this might be the only safe haven to go to.
Why are you quoting stuff about 1995 Ebola when this iteration of Ebola is know to be much faster and more deadly? It is clearly more contagious then 1995.
It was a bitch.
He told the hospital he was in the hot zone, when they turned him away. Before later accepting him. The great health care service in the USA doesn't help people (especially blacks), hence why there is such a stink over this. He should have been admitted the first time, and wasn't.
He wasn't "turned away." He was provided anti-biotics, which is the standard fare (albeit wrong*) for someone suffering from a cold or flu. Although it was stupid of the hospital doctors/nurses not to take note of his travel, and suspect Ebola as a possibility, given the CDC's messages at the time it might be understandable. In it's early stages Ebola presents similar symtoms to a flu.
Just because you go through the Emergency enterance, doesn't mean you need to be admitted. It just means that you get seen without an appointment. I've been to the Emergency several times (metal chips in eye despite safety glasses, bleeding head wound, heart issues) and never been admitted. Usually just stitched up and sent home. Even with the heart issue, I was "observed" for a while, scheduled for a stress-test, and sent home once they determined that it was not going to kill me right-now. (they also gave me an asprin and a nitroglycerine tablet while they observed me.)
The whole "turned away" thing is being drummed up by the Jessie Jacksons, etc. who are ambulance chasing for another chance to make themselves relevant, and stir up trouble at the same time.
* I can remember several times where doctors have said to me, "I don't know if it is bacterial or viral. I could take cultures, but that would take a while to get the lab work back, so meanwhile I will give you this anti-biotic, which will either work or will do no harm if it doesn't." This was a few years ago. More recently, with the increasing prevalance of resistant diseases, this practice seems to have diminished somewhat.
McFly777
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"What do people mean when they say the computer went down on them?" -Marilyn Pittman
Selfishly hiding in a bunker and expecting others to bring you food and supplies is not the act of a good citizen. Safely helping out the people around you when a disaster hits is the act of a good citizen. The "conservative" view is supposed to be to support your community instead of hiding in a hole. A guy with gloves, mask and wheelbarrow full of food and water that unloads the contents where his neighbours can pick it up later is both a "hero" that keeps people alive and someone with zero risk of spreading infection. I'm astonished that you didn't get that point before your two replies. It appears you took things far too personally despite the "but even though it's a common fantasy and it's not your fault".
Stupid fucking survivalist fantasies do not help in disasters, whether hurricane or virus. What helps is people that are not prepared to watch their neighbours die of cold or lack of food when normal infrastructure is not available. There's plenty that can be done without risking your life.
Say your cutie gets some sort of infection easily cured by antibiotics in your bunker. She dies even though with communication and dropoffs you could have saved her with some medicine from the pharmacist down the road with no risk of catching or spreading infection. That's a potential price of dropping out of society when you should be doing something to help keep it going.
Stop dreaming of apocalyptic disaster movies where infection control does not exist and think like a rational human being. It does indeed suck but you alone are not enough to get your kid through life, and the more of civilisation we keep intact when the shit hits the fan the more people survive.
Yes I suppose - selfishness and greed can be called conservative just like Communist East Germany called itself the Federated Democratic Republic but neither reflect the values the words are supposed to represent. Getting my point yet? Being an isolationist prick is counterproductive in a disaster situation and is likely to lead to more harm to the little cutie than sensible interaction with the community around you - despite the bullshit we've been fed by disaster and action movies. I'm not attacking you, just the bullshit you've been fooled into spreading. It's insidious and looks incredibly stupid when held up to the light, as show by the cretinous "first aid kit" attempted putdown above. You are not that stupid just playing a part. When shit hits fans (probably a very bad way to phrase things since Ebola can make that literal), we need to wake up and act like citizens instead of cartoon cavemen or useless Eloi.
And being the stupid asshole to contribute to an epidemic by spreading deadly disease to prove how good a person you are isn't productive either. It just kills people.
You are putting harmful information out there and showing that you don't understand what you're talking about. I don't know in what world calling somebody an isolationist prick isn't an attack, but that's not what the word "isolationist" means either. Borderline illiterate people like you are the reason an epidemic here would be a disaster and not a short lived tragedy.
Go troll somebody else. I don't want to be bothered to give anybody the kind of attention you want.
I'm trying to point out that it's not a two choice thing between hiding in a hole with your child and "being the stupid asshole to contribute to an epidemic". There's a third choice of helping out without making things worse. Why isn't it getting through?
If anything is "harmful information" it's a suggestion to hide in a hole with a magic first aid kit that is not going to be able to keep the "cutie" alive in the example I gave above. People in disasters die of a lot of things other than the primary cause because they cannot get food, water and medicine for other problems.
Hold on cowboy - I didn't call YOU an isolationist prick since YOU HAVE NOT DONE THOSE THINGS, you are not acting like a Hollywood 2D survivalist character because you are not actually hiding in a hole today. It's hypothetical at this point and it's a label for a person DOING those things instead of someone DISCUSSING those things. Clear now? How many times do I have to write "I'm not attacking you" for it to come across that I'm going after the widespread conditioned attitude that you'll probably be grown up enough to shed when you really need to, and not yourself.
Now please calm down and consider my other post, especially the bit I put in bold text.
God damn it.
Let me make this simple for your lizard brain. Can you diagnose ebola on sight? If so, then get off StackExchange and go teach doctors how to do it. I'll just assume that you can't do what doctors can't. As in, you're not some magical unicorn or alien superhero.
So, you can't tell if your neighbor is infected, and you can't tell if they're contagious. But you're urging people to "help" by going door to door. Maybe they should make sure to french kiss their neighbors too since if even one of them is infected and they've taken a piss without washing their hands, they can pass it on. There's a reason the belongings and environment of people infected with ebola are burned and sanitized with pure chlorine, respectively.
You're not advocating for people "not hiding in a hole", there is no third option, my home isn't a hole, and what you suggest would make things worse. I've written this reply due to the possibility that you're just a simple moron and not a menacing threat to public health. And I won't be replying to you again.
The least you can do is get your language right. You say having common fucking sense is equivalent to having a Hollywood hero complex and then recommend that everybody has a virus orgy to save their neighbors. Please, for the love of God, say you're a troll so you can look like a threat to society instead of a total retard.
No, one more reply, just because you actually might be totally fucking ignorant and loud about it.
http://www.thelocal.es/2014100...
That's how easy it is to catch ebola. Yes, you're being a stupid asshole. Stupid because you don't know what the hell you're talking about when it comes to anything you've said whatsoever, from public health to politics, and asshole because you insist on spewing your bullshit despite being warned about the immense harm it could do. You're not saving your neighbors there, hero. You're trying to kill them.
So where exactly did I write about not taking precautions and not avoiding contact? I repeatedly wrote things like "A guy with gloves, mask and wheelbarrow full of food and water that unloads the contents where his neighbours can pick it up later" to directly address that.
Hide and hope for someone else to help get your community running again is the instruction that you give to children. Do the best you can without making things worse is the instruction you give to adults. Simple isn't it? That's what I'm trying to get across instead of the "OMG it's the end times, get a gun so you can shoot your neighbour if they come to get your food" infantilization from the movies. That stuff is poison doing "immense harm" while "do the best you can without making things worse" is not.
If you want to get more of an idea of what I'm talking about some non-fiction about communities dealing with the Spanish Influenza pandemic or "The Plague" by Camus based on his experience of a bubonic plague outbreak in Algeria give some ideas.
If you hide you'll be hiding for a very long time, so eventually you'll be relying on people who did not hide to bring you things.