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Federal Government Removes 7 Americans From No-Fly List
An anonymous reader writes: In response to a district judge ruling that declared the Department of Homeland Security's Traveler Redress Inquiry Program unconstitutional, the federal government has annouced its removal of seven Americans from its no-fly list (PDF). The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is representing a total of 13 people suing to get off that list, and the government has until January of this year to deal with remaining six in that group. "Federal agencies have nominated more than 1.5 million names to terrorist watch lists over the past five years alone. Yet being a terrorist isn't a condition of getting on a roster that, until now, has been virtually impossible to be removed from..." One of the seven removed from the list is Marine Corps veteran and dog trainer Ibraheim Mashal of Illinois. The others had similarly Middle-Eastern-sounding names.
1.5 million names on, 7 names off...
Which of those two statistics says that it's no longer "virtually impossible" to get off the list?
Stupid question, but it pertains at least a bit...
If one flies with no ID, which is legal though a PITA, and one's ticket doesn't match any no-fly list, then how exactly is the TSA or anyone else supposed to stop one from flying? Admittedly one will probably get the worst treatment at the TSA checkpoint, and may get asked a lot of questions in advance of being allowed through security, but if one can fly without ID, then how can a no-fly list actually stop anyone?
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
Why do they hate our freedom?
We're not even pretending that Slashdot is about tech anymore, right?
... the government has until January of this year to deal with remaining six in that group.
I guess they're a little late then :)
I say don't drink and drive, you might spill your drink. Before you get behind the wheel just stop and think.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
No kidding, had a contractor friend that ticked the wrong guy off in cabinetry work (changing your mind in the middle turns out to be expensive), turned out to be a high-up in somewhere in government, and said contractor has great difficulty getting into US from Canada now everytime. Talking about pickup being inspected top to bottom, any inventory turned upside down, etc. Luckily, he doesn't have to fly, although it curtailed his existing business by 20%.
Now I won't miss my flight tomorrow.
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from the other-319-million-out-of-luck dept.
It's no wonder that several airlines are struggling, then.
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Oh well at least there is some progress on the front of "undoing the damage of the Bush administration's insane retarded cowboy idiocy".
Now if we can just get the police to stop shooting and killing unarmed people, we will officially be on the right track.
I have a friend - David Nelson - he stopped flying in 2003. Lost his job over it. He isn't the only one:
http://www.washingtontimes.com...
However, he got a new job - TSA. So - while he can't fly, he can search all of us.
Just needs to go the fuck away! The Patriot Act is mostly a failure and we're no safer and have significantly less liberties. Another tragic knee-jerk reaction by government results in an abysmal travesty of justice.
They seem to have disappeared Sir.
"Kill 'em all and let Root sort 'em out"
How can a databse of 1.5 million people be created by such a small organization in such a short time based on credible evidence? I've figured it out!
... -e Mohammed ... NSA_list_of_Muslim_names.txt
grep -e Abad -e Abdallah -e Abdul
What exactly is the point of this odd half-assed sort of category, a "no-fly list"? If the federal government suspects a citizen or resident might be a terrorist, OK, then get a friggin' warrant and bug their phone and search their house and get some real evidence. Since terrorists can do a lot more than hijack airplanes, what's the message here? "We want to prevent you from hijacking an airliner, but a bus is OK?" Either treat them like a suspected terrorist, or just stop hassling them.
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For a moment there, I read "Department of Homeland Security's Traveler" as "Department of Homeland Security Theatre". I see a great need for a departmental renaming program...
The summary mixes and matches some very different lists. The "no fly list" consists of about 13 people resident in the US and a few hundred who live in other countries and these people aren't allowed to fly into or out of the US - they are to be detained at the border. This suit was about the no-fly list.
Next up, we have the terrorism watch list. This is a mich larger list, too large in my opinion. This is a list of people authorities might look at if something happens, similar to the sex offender registry except it's not public. For example, if someone were to plant a bomb at UCLA, they would check to see of any UCLA students or staff were on the terrorism watch list. If so, authorities would ask those people where they were at the time of the bombing and check those alibis. So it kind of serves as a starting point - these are people who have advocated violence or whatever, so when something happens in their neighborhood it might be worth checking them out.
TFA says "lists", so they may also have in mind other lists such as:
People who have exercised their second amendment rights (instant background check system)
People licensed to buy and use explosives, such as for road construction or professional fireworks
People who have taken courses in cybersecurity, which are federally subsidized
I'm on the last three lists.
The letter from October 10, 2014 stated that the seven individuals were no longer on the No Fly List
Later in the same letter:
At this time, apart from the information above, we make no other representations with respect to past or future travel.
Did you notice the "OR FUTURE TRAVEL." That is the key. The No Fly List is populated from other databases in a secret manner. If the seven individuals are in one of these progenitor databases for the No Fly List, they will most likely re-appear in the No Fly List.
Sadly this is a hollow victory for seven people listed. They will most likely be back in the same position they were in a matter of months.
We've had "no-fly-list" upheld by the courts for 13 years and they choose NOW(when we're in the middle of an international pandemic)to let more people on airplanes?!
I know the two things are entirely unrelated, but holy crap: talk about bad timing.
Out of 200+ million legal U.S.A. citizens who are targets for killing by Barak Hussein Obama.
and right at the top of the "you can still fly but don't mind that plainclothed federal marshall sitting next to you"
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"pretty fly for a white guy" list
My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
during my flight. It sure beats the milf with the baby crying in the seat next to you, or the fat guy with the terrible BO (not to say there aren't a few that resemble that remark.) And hey what better way to find out how to keep your friends off it than a 2-4 hour flight next to an Air Marshal? :)
Dumping the Brit's tea could've been construed as an act of terrorism at the time they were in. In fact I'm pretty sure if you go back and read the letters various British loyalists were sending around during that period, that is *EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID*. These uncouth 'American colonial rebels' are TERRORISTS. It's been a few years since I read whatever letter this was in (It was a history class that happened to cover the Federalist papers amongst other things), but the british use of terrorism was even wider than our current definition (and that's saying something!)
*Drops dead in shock*
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THANK GOD!!!
Rather than try to get people removed from the list, it'll probably be easier to fix this by getting ~15 million people added to the no-fly list. If 5% of the U.S. population were on the list, it'd be a significant enough impediment to free travel that they'd have to fix it or quit using it.
Uh-Oh ;-)
I know the two things are entirely unrelated
If you know that, then what's the point of your comment?
The worst part about this list is that it is only a list of names. No other identifying information is used, so for any given name on the list, ALL people having that name are forbidden from flying.
The government designed it that way so as to gain the most control over the most people. It's all about control and subjugation. It has nothing to do with safety.
So for now Heywood Jablome will be able to fly freely across the country.
during my flight. It sure beats the milf with the baby crying in the seat next to you,
DO you not know what MILF stands for? If the milf is crying you should chat her up.
or the fat guy with the terrible BO (not to say there aren't a few that resemble that remark.)
Which probably is the air marshall if his job is to ride planes and eat airport food for a living. /quote>And hey what better way to find out how to keep your friends off it than a 2-4 hour flight next to an Air Marshal? :)
Probably not by creating a security risk by identifying him as an Air Marshall, and thus the best source of an in-flight gun.
Any other bright ideas? Nah, save 'em Your bulbs too dim.
The actual announcement has this phrase in it: "... the following individuals are not currently on the No Fly List as of the date of this letter". They explicitly go on to state that "we make no other representations with respect to past or future travel". In other words, as soon as the court case is over, they go right back on the list...
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